Teachers Not Wanting to Go Back in Person

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Anonymous wrote:Teaching was a cushy job a decade ago. Now with so many jobs that can be done from home, there are so many more options.

I find this refreshing. In the past, many teachers chose the profession because of the hours and summers off. Now that covid has come and gone, teachers who have gotten a taste of WFH will seek out other careers. The hope is that those who actually decide on this profession do so because of the joy of teaching, not because of summers off or other conveniences.

Frankly, we've spent the last decade or two completely devaluing the worth of teachers. School systems have added a host of horrible stupid bureaucracy including mandatory training, mandatory meetings, endless streams of documentation of what they are doing that must be provided for district administration, school administration. parents, students. There have been so many guidelines on what is taught and how it is taught that the overhead for their job is adding many hours per week to what they are required to do outside of class time. And throughout this, school systems have decreased compensation. Teachers salaries are not even matching inflation and COLA and they are paid horribly relative to their general level of education. In addition, schools have cut budgets for supplies, classroom resources, and even basics like tissues, hand sanitizer, soap and paper towels. Teachers have had to buy those and supplies like markers, pencils, paper, etc out of pocket to support their classrooms. I know dozens of teachers in multiple school districts (I am not a teacher, I just know many) and I don't know a single one that hasn't had to provide supplies and basics out of pocket to support their students.

At this point, almost all school districts have had rounds of early retirement, abrupt unplanned retirement and teachers leaving the profession. They are understaffed and have more openings than they can find qualified teachers to fill. Hopefully this will make school districts understand that they need to start reprioritizing and maybe start paying teachers what they are worth to fill positions.

Well said!

It's just another person pretending that all of this is so hard. I taught for a decade, went back to school to learn something harder and now have an actual job with deadlines and consequences that actually matter. I've been on both ends. Teachers only think that their jobs are so hard because they completely lack perspective.

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Anonymous wrote:Teaching was a cushy job a decade ago. Now with so many jobs that can be done from home, there are so many more options.

I find this refreshing. In the past, many teachers chose the profession because of the hours and summers off. Now that covid has come and gone, teachers who have gotten a taste of WFH will seek out other careers. The hope is that those who actually decide on this profession do so because of the joy of teaching, not because of summers off or other conveniences.

Frankly, we've spent the last decade or two completely devaluing the worth of teachers. School systems have added a host of horrible stupid bureaucracy including mandatory training, mandatory meetings, endless streams of documentation of what they are doing that must be provided for district administration, school administration. parents, students. There have been so many guidelines on what is taught and how it is taught that the overhead for their job is adding many hours per week to what they are required to do outside of class time. And throughout this, school systems have decreased compensation. Teachers salaries are not even matching inflation and COLA and they are paid horribly relative to their general level of education. In addition, schools have cut budgets for supplies, classroom resources, and even basics like tissues, hand sanitizer, soap and paper towels. Teachers have had to buy those and supplies like markers, pencils, paper, etc out of pocket to support their classrooms. I know dozens of teachers in multiple school districts (I am not a teacher, I just know many) and I don't know a single one that hasn't had to provide supplies and basics out of pocket to support their students.

At this point, almost all school districts have had rounds of early retirement, abrupt unplanned retirement and teachers leaving the profession. They are understaffed and have more openings than they can find qualified teachers to fill. Hopefully this will make school districts understand that they need to start reprioritizing and maybe start paying teachers what they are worth to fill positions.

Well said!

It's just another person pretending that all of this is so hard. I taught for a decade, went back to school to learn something harder and now have an actual job with deadlines and consequences that actually matter. I've been on both ends. Teachers only think that their jobs are so hard because they completely lack perspective.

Funny. Parents want to say that being without full time in person school is such a crisis that it is causing suicides, while also saying that teaching is a "fake" inconsequential job. Please, tell us about your incredibly important job! I'm sure you're singlehandedly saving the world.

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Anonymous wrote:Teaching was a cushy job a decade ago. Now with so many jobs that can be done from home, there are so many more options.

I find this refreshing. In the past, many teachers chose the profession because of the hours and summers off. Now that covid has come and gone, teachers who have gotten a taste of WFH will seek out other careers. The hope is that those who actually decide on this profession do so because of the joy of teaching, not because of summers off or other conveniences.

Frankly, we've spent the last decade or two completely devaluing the worth of teachers. School systems have added a host of horrible stupid bureaucracy including mandatory training, mandatory meetings, endless streams of documentation of what they are doing that must be provided for district administration, school administration. parents, students. There have been so many guidelines on what is taught and how it is taught that the overhead for their job is adding many hours per week to what they are required to do outside of class time. And throughout this, school systems have decreased compensation. Teachers salaries are not even matching inflation and COLA and they are paid horribly relative to their general level of education. In addition, schools have cut budgets for supplies, classroom resources, and even basics like tissues, hand sanitizer, soap and paper towels. Teachers have had to buy those and supplies like markers, pencils, paper, etc out of pocket to support their classrooms. I know dozens of teachers in multiple school districts (I am not a teacher, I just know many) and I don't know a single one that hasn't had to provide supplies and basics out of pocket to support their students.

At this point, almost all school districts have had rounds of early retirement, abrupt unplanned retirement and teachers leaving the profession. They are understaffed and have more openings than they can find qualified teachers to fill. Hopefully this will make school districts understand that they need to start reprioritizing and maybe start paying teachers what they are worth to fill positions.

Well said!

It's just another person pretending that all of this is so hard. I taught for a decade, went back to school to learn something harder and now have an actual job with deadlines and consequences that actually matter. I've been on both ends. Teachers only think that their jobs are so hard because they completely lack perspective.

Funny. Parents want to say that being without full time in person school is such a crisis that it is causing suicides, while also saying that teaching is a "fake" inconsequential job. Please, tell us about your incredibly important job! I'm sure you're singlehandedly saving the world.

Yup. And they've spent the past year spewing vitriol at teachers, namecalling and mudslinging, all the while continually jumping up and down screaming that they need to get their precious, precious children back into the care of those terrible, horrible, lazy, no-good teachers 30+ hours a week. LOL. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

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Anonymous wrote:Teaching was a cushy job a decade ago. Now with so many jobs that can be done from home, there are so many more options.

I find this refreshing. In the past, many teachers chose the profession because of the hours and summers off. Now that covid has come and gone, teachers who have gotten a taste of WFH will seek out other careers. The hope is that those who actually decide on this profession do so because of the joy of teaching, not because of summers off or other conveniences.

Frankly, we've spent the last decade or two completely devaluing the worth of teachers. School systems have added a host of horrible stupid bureaucracy including mandatory training, mandatory meetings, endless streams of documentation of what they are doing that must be provided for district administration, school administration. parents, students. There have been so many guidelines on what is taught and how it is taught that the overhead for their job is adding many hours per week to what they are required to do outside of class time. And throughout this, school systems have decreased compensation. Teachers salaries are not even matching inflation and COLA and they are paid horribly relative to their general level of education. In addition, schools have cut budgets for supplies, classroom resources, and even basics like tissues, hand sanitizer, soap and paper towels. Teachers have had to buy those and supplies like markers, pencils, paper, etc out of pocket to support their classrooms. I know dozens of teachers in multiple school districts (I am not a teacher, I just know many) and I don't know a single one that hasn't had to provide supplies and basics out of pocket to support their students.

At this point, almost all school districts have had rounds of early retirement, abrupt unplanned retirement and teachers leaving the profession. They are understaffed and have more openings than they can find qualified teachers to fill. Hopefully this will make school districts understand that they need to start reprioritizing and maybe start paying teachers what they are worth to fill positions.

Well said!

It's just another person pretending that all of this is so hard. I taught for a decade, went back to school to learn something harder and now have an actual job with deadlines and consequences that actually matter. I've been on both ends. Teachers only think that their jobs are so hard because they completely lack perspective.

Funny. Parents want to say that being without full time in person school is such a crisis that it is causing suicides, while also saying that teaching is a "fake" inconsequential job. Please, tell us about your incredibly important job! I'm sure you're singlehandedly saving the world.

Yup. And they've spent the past year spewing vitriol at teachers, namecalling and mudslinging, all the while continually jumping up and down screaming that they need to get their precious, precious children back into the care of those terrible, horrible, lazy, no-good teachers 30+ hours a week. LOL. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

There are plenty of important jobs that aren't very hard. Somebody has to pick up the trash.

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Anonymous wrote:Teaching was a cushy job a decade ago. Now with so many jobs that can be done from home, there are so many more options.

I find this refreshing. In the past, many teachers chose the profession because of the hours and summers off. Now that covid has come and gone, teachers who have gotten a taste of WFH will seek out other careers. The hope is that those who actually decide on this profession do so because of the joy of teaching, not because of summers off or other conveniences.

Frankly, we've spent the last decade or two completely devaluing the worth of teachers. School systems have added a host of horrible stupid bureaucracy including mandatory training, mandatory meetings, endless streams of documentation of what they are doing that must be provided for district administration, school administration. parents, students. There have been so many guidelines on what is taught and how it is taught that the overhead for their job is adding many hours per week to what they are required to do outside of class time. And throughout this, school systems have decreased compensation. Teachers salaries are not even matching inflation and COLA and they are paid horribly relative to their general level of education. In addition, schools have cut budgets for supplies, classroom resources, and even basics like tissues, hand sanitizer, soap and paper towels. Teachers have had to buy those and supplies like markers, pencils, paper, etc out of pocket to support their classrooms. I know dozens of teachers in multiple school districts (I am not a teacher, I just know many) and I don't know a single one that hasn't had to provide supplies and basics out of pocket to support their students.

At this point, almost all school districts have had rounds of early retirement, abrupt unplanned retirement and teachers leaving the profession. They are understaffed and have more openings than they can find qualified teachers to fill. Hopefully this will make school districts understand that they need to start reprioritizing and maybe start paying teachers what they are worth to fill positions.

Well said!

It's just another person pretending that all of this is so hard. I taught for a decade, went back to school to learn something harder and now have an actual job with deadlines and consequences that actually matter. I've been on both ends. Teachers only think that their jobs are so hard because they completely lack perspective.

Funny. Parents want to say that being without full time in person school is such a crisis that it is causing suicides, while also saying that teaching is a "fake" inconsequential job. Please, tell us about your incredibly important job! I'm sure you're singlehandedly saving the world.

Yup. And they've spent the past year spewing vitriol at teachers, namecalling and mudslinging, all the while continually jumping up and down screaming that they need to get their precious, precious children back into the care of those terrible, horrible, lazy, no-good teachers 30+ hours a week. LOL. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

There are plenty of important jobs that aren't very hard. Somebody has to pick up the trash.

So teach your own kids. Or can you also not figure out how to take out your own garbage?

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May the responses on the thread not be from any teacher within a foot of my child. All you are doing is undermining your value.

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Anonymous wrote:May the responses on the thread not be from any teacher within a foot of my child. All you are doing is undermining your value.

+1. Teachers themselves are devaluing their jobs with these ridiculous comparisons to trash collectors. Unfortunately teachers and the unions have burnt a lot of goodwill with their extreme demands that totally ignore the needs of their students.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers are allowed to value their health more than some random kid's education. Something is wrong with a teacher if the teacher values a kid's education more than their own health. Give it a rest, angry parents. Get some therapy, develop a value system, and start to realize that it isn't all about you.

- Signed, a Parent

I agree! If a teacher isn't comfortable teaching in person despite being prioritized for vaccines, then she needs to find a different career.

Then who will teach the children? Places are desperate for teachers, look on the careers page for the counties. They are trying to lure back retired teachers. All these flippant remarks that teachers should just quit or be fired are so ridiculous.

Yes, but the nasty comments make the entitled parents FEEEL so good when they type them and helps them pretend to have power, and really, that's what's important.

Yep!

We got schools open this year. We have put a lot of pressure on FCPs to get some kids back 4 days. We got the SB passed requiring 5 days a week, in person, with a real love teacher, not an ADA slacker. We will vote for Governor this fall and schools will be a huge issue. We’ve had a lot of people do a 180 on vouchers and charter schools. We’ve put a lot of pressure on the NoS not to give teachers raises. And down the line, bonds go through us.

So yes, we have some power. Show up in person in August and teach 5 Das a week from your classroom to a full class of kids. Or be fired. No more monitors and ADA. We did that.

And, once again, I will ask you who is going to replace the teachers? Look, I agree that schools should be open, I am in MCPS and am happy to be back. But all these “fire the teachers” and “these teachers all need to quit” is totally tone deaf and, quite frankly, idiotic.

Teachers have been holding us hostage with threats to quit for a full year. And frankly, they are no good to us at home are being paid double what a virtual teacher makes. Maybe they will quit And maybe the replacements won’t be great. But, if it’s going to happen, we are just kicking the can down the road. If they are going to quit when they have to go back, they are going to quit. We can’t go on another full year like this. Because teachers will still be threatening to quit. I’m over the threats. Put up so we have time to plan. Or STFU.

We are a two teacher (ES) household and I think you ware way overestimating the number of teachers who have threatened to quit. Neither of us can think of anyone we know who has actually threatened to quit over the prospect of teaching in person. If anything they are thinking of quitting because of DL and/or concurrent instruction.

Anyone with common sense knows teachers have no say and most are going back. Those that are quitting have health issues, family issues or are scared and that's perfectly fine given COVID. If parents don't like it, they can step up and become teachers since they think they can do it better. Or better, homeschool.

No thanks. I’ll keep my fully telework job that pays a lot more.

And I’ll keep doing my telework job, teaching your child. Sick of these hypocrites.

Not after this year in VA. SB1303 forces you back in the classroom.

Plus, it’s not my fault I chose a more flexible, better paying career path than you. The wasn’t a secret when you got a teaching degree. Neither was the fact you would be working in a classroom. Your job can’t be done well from home. Mine can, because I made different choices.

I don’t teach in the state of Virginia, and I’ll be home for the rest of the year. Teachers made no such agreement to work in a classroom during a global health crisis.

Sure, and the public made no agreement to pay teachers that refuse to return to work. You can always quit.

So you think your telework job is real work, but not anyone else’s. Got it.

You are replying to a different poster. But yes, I’m a Fed attorney who does very complicated analysis and writing as my primary job responsibilities. I am not public facing and don’t work as a member of a team. I was 60% telework before COVID. I’m 100% now, and it looks like they may just not require us to go back. My productivity is actually higher from home, because I’m not constantly interrupted by co-workers who want to chat. And I can perform all of my job functions exactly the same way as I did in the office. We need one manger in per floor to pick up things that need to be printed and mailed from the printer and put them in an envelope. That’s it.

Some jobs translate very well into telework. I took my job when I had tweens to get the telework, so between DH and I, someone was always home after school. It was a career choice and I took a pay cut to move to the federal government.

You made the choice to have a public facing job that does not translate well to telework.

It is not some secret that telework is a great option for some jobs and a very poor one for others. You can do what I did, and take a pay cut and teach virtually for FCPS online of Virtual VA. They will need to staff up for next year. But, you don’t want to make the trade off many other professionals have made to get telework friendly jobs.

+1

So tired of teachers who are pretending they're office workers. They're not, and there are fewer jobs than they think which can effectively be done at home. Guarantee they just don't like being lumped in with nurses, slaughterhouse workers, grocery workers, etc. who actually have to go in.

The teachers have all seen the test scores by now. They know they're not doing an okay job of DL.

Hear hear!

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Anonymous wrote:Teaching was a cushy job a decade ago. Now with so many jobs that can be done from home, there are so many more options.

I find this refreshing. In the past, many teachers chose the profession because of the hours and summers off. Now that covid has come and gone, teachers who have gotten a taste of WFH will seek out other careers. The hope is that those who actually decide on this profession do so because of the joy of teaching, not because of summers off or other conveniences.

Frankly, we've spent the last decade or two completely devaluing the worth of teachers. School systems have added a host of horrible stupid bureaucracy including mandatory training, mandatory meetings, endless streams of documentation of what they are doing that must be provided for district administration, school administration. parents, students. There have been so many guidelines on what is taught and how it is taught that the overhead for their job is adding many hours per week to what they are required to do outside of class time. And throughout this, school systems have decreased compensation. Teachers salaries are not even matching inflation and COLA and they are paid horribly relative to their general level of education. In addition, schools have cut budgets for supplies, classroom resources, and even basics like tissues, hand sanitizer, soap and paper towels. Teachers have had to buy those and supplies like markers, pencils, paper, etc out of pocket to support their classrooms. I know dozens of teachers in multiple school districts (I am not a teacher, I just know many) and I don't know a single one that hasn't had to provide supplies and basics out of pocket to support their students.

At this point, almost all school districts have had rounds of early retirement, abrupt unplanned retirement and teachers leaving the profession. They are understaffed and have more openings than they can find qualified teachers to fill. Hopefully this will make school districts understand that they need to start reprioritizing and maybe start paying teachers what they are worth to fill positions.

Well said!

It's just another person pretending that all of this is so hard. I taught for a decade, went back to school to learn something harder and now have an actual job with deadlines and consequences that actually matter. I've been on both ends. Teachers only think that their jobs are so hard because they completely lack perspective.

Funny. Parents want to say that being without full time in person school is such a crisis that it is causing suicides, while also saying that teaching is a "fake" inconsequential job. Please, tell us about your incredibly important job! I'm sure you're singlehandedly saving the world.

Yup. And they've spent the past year spewing vitriol at teachers, namecalling and mudslinging, all the while continually jumping up and down screaming that they need to get their precious, precious children back into the care of those terrible, horrible, lazy, no-good teachers 30+ hours a week. LOL. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

There are plenty of important jobs that aren't very hard. Somebody has to pick up the trash.

Come on, are we really comparing teachers to trash collectors now? Not that there's anything wrong with being a trash collector, but...there is certainly more education and skill required to be a teacher. I have a science PhD, and I do not have what it takes to spend an entire day working patiently with children in a classroom. It's not in my skillset, so for me, it would be hard. Just like for many people, doing the mathematical analyses I do at my job would be difficult. I do not think teaching can be done adequately from home, but I'm not going to demean the entire profession.

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Anonymous wrote:Teaching was a cushy job a decade ago. Now with so many jobs that can be done from home, there are so many more options.

I find this refreshing. In the past, many teachers chose the profession because of the hours and summers off. Now that covid has come and gone, teachers who have gotten a taste of WFH will seek out other careers. The hope is that those who actually decide on this profession do so because of the joy of teaching, not because of summers off or other conveniences.

Frankly, we've spent the last decade or two completely devaluing the worth of teachers. School systems have added a host of horrible stupid bureaucracy including mandatory training, mandatory meetings, endless streams of documentation of what they are doing that must be provided for district administration, school administration. parents, students. There have been so many guidelines on what is taught and how it is taught that the overhead for their job is adding many hours per week to what they are required to do outside of class time. And throughout this, school systems have decreased compensation. Teachers salaries are not even matching inflation and COLA and they are paid horribly relative to their general level of education. In addition, schools have cut budgets for supplies, classroom resources, and even basics like tissues, hand sanitizer, soap and paper towels. Teachers have had to buy those and supplies like markers, pencils, paper, etc out of pocket to support their classrooms. I know dozens of teachers in multiple school districts (I am not a teacher, I just know many) and I don't know a single one that hasn't had to provide supplies and basics out of pocket to support their students.

At this point, almost all school districts have had rounds of early retirement, abrupt unplanned retirement and teachers leaving the profession. They are understaffed and have more openings than they can find qualified teachers to fill. Hopefully this will make school districts understand that they need to start reprioritizing and maybe start paying teachers what they are worth to fill positions.

Well said!

It's just another person pretending that all of this is so hard. I taught for a decade, went back to school to learn something harder and now have an actual job with deadlines and consequences that actually matter. I've been on both ends. Teachers only think that their jobs are so hard because they completely lack perspective.

Funny. Parents want to say that being without full time in person school is such a crisis that it is causing suicides, while also saying that teaching is a "fake" inconsequential job. Please, tell us about your incredibly important job! I'm sure you're singlehandedly saving the world.

Yup. And they've spent the past year spewing vitriol at teachers, namecalling and mudslinging, all the while continually jumping up and down screaming that they need to get their precious, precious children back into the care of those terrible, horrible, lazy, no-good teachers 30+ hours a week. LOL. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

There are plenty of important jobs that aren't very hard. Somebody has to pick up the trash.

Come on, are we really comparing teachers to trash collectors now? Not that there's anything wrong with being a trash collector, but...there is certainly more education and skill required to be a teacher. I have a science PhD, and I do not have what it takes to spend an entire day working patiently with children in a classroom. It's not in my skillset, so for me, it would be hard. Just like for many people, doing the mathematical analyses I do at my job would be difficult. I do not think teaching can be done adequately from home, but I'm not going to demean the entire profession.

JEEZ. The point was that teaching is a public facing job that cannot be done from home very effectively. In that sense being a teacher is just like being a nurse, tour guide, or yes, trash collector. And nobody is trying to disturb your fragile ego about the relative social status of these jobs. Obviously being a teacher is the most prestigious, most intellectual and hardest working profession of them all

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Anonymous wrote:Teaching was a cushy job a decade ago. Now with so many jobs that can be done from home, there are so many more options.

I find this refreshing. In the past, many teachers chose the profession because of the hours and summers off. Now that covid has come and gone, teachers who have gotten a taste of WFH will seek out other careers. The hope is that those who actually decide on this profession do so because of the joy of teaching, not because of summers off or other conveniences.

Frankly, we've spent the last decade or two completely devaluing the worth of teachers. School systems have added a host of horrible stupid bureaucracy including mandatory training, mandatory meetings, endless streams of documentation of what they are doing that must be provided for district administration, school administration. parents, students. There have been so many guidelines on what is taught and how it is taught that the overhead for their job is adding many hours per week to what they are required to do outside of class time. And throughout this, school systems have decreased compensation. Teachers salaries are not even matching inflation and COLA and they are paid horribly relative to their general level of education. In addition, schools have cut budgets for supplies, classroom resources, and even basics like tissues, hand sanitizer, soap and paper towels. Teachers have had to buy those and supplies like markers, pencils, paper, etc out of pocket to support their classrooms. I know dozens of teachers in multiple school districts (I am not a teacher, I just know many) and I don't know a single one that hasn't had to provide supplies and basics out of pocket to support their students.

At this point, almost all school districts have had rounds of early retirement, abrupt unplanned retirement and teachers leaving the profession. They are understaffed and have more openings than they can find qualified teachers to fill. Hopefully this will make school districts understand that they need to start reprioritizing and maybe start paying teachers what they are worth to fill positions.

Well said!

It's just another person pretending that all of this is so hard. I taught for a decade, went back to school to learn something harder and now have an actual job with deadlines and consequences that actually matter. I've been on both ends. Teachers only think that their jobs are so hard because they completely lack perspective.

Funny. Parents want to say that being without full time in person school is such a crisis that it is causing suicides, while also saying that teaching is a "fake" inconsequential job. Please, tell us about your incredibly important job! I'm sure you're singlehandedly saving the world.

Yup. And they've spent the past year spewing vitriol at teachers, namecalling and mudslinging, all the while continually jumping up and down screaming that they need to get their precious, precious children back into the care of those terrible, horrible, lazy, no-good teachers 30+ hours a week. LOL. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

There are plenty of important jobs that aren't very hard. Somebody has to pick up the trash.

So teach your own kids. Or can you also not figure out how to take out your own garbage?

Again, I make more money than that now. So my taxes go to pay someone to do the easier job of doing that. I assume you also don't do literally every job you might need to have done.

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Anonymous wrote:Teaching was a cushy job a decade ago. Now with so many jobs that can be done from home, there are so many more options.

I find this refreshing. In the past, many teachers chose the profession because of the hours and summers off. Now that covid has come and gone, teachers who have gotten a taste of WFH will seek out other careers. The hope is that those who actually decide on this profession do so because of the joy of teaching, not because of summers off or other conveniences.

Frankly, we've spent the last decade or two completely devaluing the worth of teachers. School systems have added a host of horrible stupid bureaucracy including mandatory training, mandatory meetings, endless streams of documentation of what they are doing that must be provided for district administration, school administration. parents, students. There have been so many guidelines on what is taught and how it is taught that the overhead for their job is adding many hours per week to what they are required to do outside of class time. And throughout this, school systems have decreased compensation. Teachers salaries are not even matching inflation and COLA and they are paid horribly relative to their general level of education. In addition, schools have cut budgets for supplies, classroom resources, and even basics like tissues, hand sanitizer, soap and paper towels. Teachers have had to buy those and supplies like markers, pencils, paper, etc out of pocket to support their classrooms. I know dozens of teachers in multiple school districts (I am not a teacher, I just know many) and I don't know a single one that hasn't had to provide supplies and basics out of pocket to support their students.

At this point, almost all school districts have had rounds of early retirement, abrupt unplanned retirement and teachers leaving the profession. They are understaffed and have more openings than they can find qualified teachers to fill. Hopefully this will make school districts understand that they need to start reprioritizing and maybe start paying teachers what they are worth to fill positions.

Well said!

It's just another person pretending that all of this is so hard. I taught for a decade, went back to school to learn something harder and now have an actual job with deadlines and consequences that actually matter. I've been on both ends. Teachers only think that their jobs are so hard because they completely lack perspective.

Funny. Parents want to say that being without full time in person school is such a crisis that it is causing suicides, while also saying that teaching is a "fake" inconsequential job. Please, tell us about your incredibly important job! I'm sure you're singlehandedly saving the world.

Yup. And they've spent the past year spewing vitriol at teachers, namecalling and mudslinging, all the while continually jumping up and down screaming that they need to get their precious, precious children back into the care of those terrible, horrible, lazy, no-good teachers 30+ hours a week. LOL. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

There are plenty of important jobs that aren't very hard. Somebody has to pick up the trash.

Come on, are we really comparing teachers to trash collectors now? Not that there's anything wrong with being a trash collector, but...there is certainly more education and skill required to be a teacher. I have a science PhD, and I do not have what it takes to spend an entire day working patiently with children in a classroom. It's not in my skillset, so for me, it would be hard. Just like for many people, doing the mathematical analyses I do at my job would be difficult. I do not think teaching can be done adequately from home, but I'm not going to demean the entire profession.

Somewhat more education than a trash collector, but what you really need is patience. That's not a very specialized skill.

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Anonymous wrote:Teaching was a cushy job a decade ago. Now with so many jobs that can be done from home, there are so many more options.

I find this refreshing. In the past, many teachers chose the profession because of the hours and summers off. Now that covid has come and gone, teachers who have gotten a taste of WFH will seek out other careers. The hope is that those who actually decide on this profession do so because of the joy of teaching, not because of summers off or other conveniences.

Frankly, we've spent the last decade or two completely devaluing the worth of teachers. School systems have added a host of horrible stupid bureaucracy including mandatory training, mandatory meetings, endless streams of documentation of what they are doing that must be provided for district administration, school administration. parents, students. There have been so many guidelines on what is taught and how it is taught that the overhead for their job is adding many hours per week to what they are required to do outside of class time. And throughout this, school systems have decreased compensation. Teachers salaries are not even matching inflation and COLA and they are paid horribly relative to their general level of education. In addition, schools have cut budgets for supplies, classroom resources, and even basics like tissues, hand sanitizer, soap and paper towels. Teachers have had to buy those and supplies like markers, pencils, paper, etc out of pocket to support their classrooms. I know dozens of teachers in multiple school districts (I am not a teacher, I just know many) and I don't know a single one that hasn't had to provide supplies and basics out of pocket to support their students.

At this point, almost all school districts have had rounds of early retirement, abrupt unplanned retirement and teachers leaving the profession. They are understaffed and have more openings than they can find qualified teachers to fill. Hopefully this will make school districts understand that they need to start reprioritizing and maybe start paying teachers what they are worth to fill positions.

Well said!

It's just another person pretending that all of this is so hard. I taught for a decade, went back to school to learn something harder and now have an actual job with deadlines and consequences that actually matter. I've been on both ends. Teachers only think that their jobs are so hard because they completely lack perspective.

Funny. Parents want to say that being without full time in person school is such a crisis that it is causing suicides, while also saying that teaching is a "fake" inconsequential job. Please, tell us about your incredibly important job! I'm sure you're singlehandedly saving the world.

Yup. And they've spent the past year spewing vitriol at teachers, namecalling and mudslinging, all the while continually jumping up and down screaming that they need to get their precious, precious children back into the care of those terrible, horrible, lazy, no-good teachers 30+ hours a week. LOL. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

There are plenty of important jobs that aren't very hard. Somebody has to pick up the trash.

Come on, are we really comparing teachers to trash collectors now? Not that there's anything wrong with being a trash collector, but...there is certainly more education and skill required to be a teacher. I have a science PhD, and I do not have what it takes to spend an entire day working patiently with children in a classroom. It's not in my skillset, so for me, it would be hard. Just like for many people, doing the mathematical analyses I do at my job would be difficult. I do not think teaching can be done adequately from home, but I'm not going to demean the entire profession.

Somewhat more education than a trash collector, but what you really need is patience. That's not a very specialized skill.

You’re making yourself look so petty and childish. Somewhat more education? You don’t need a high school diploma to pick up trash. You need a masters to teach, unless you work in a private school. Just stop. This is such a sad campaign.

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Anonymous wrote:Teaching was a cushy job a decade ago. Now with so many jobs that can be done from home, there are so many more options.

I find this refreshing. In the past, many teachers chose the profession because of the hours and summers off. Now that covid has come and gone, teachers who have gotten a taste of WFH will seek out other careers. The hope is that those who actually decide on this profession do so because of the joy of teaching, not because of summers off or other conveniences.

Frankly, we've spent the last decade or two completely devaluing the worth of teachers. School systems have added a host of horrible stupid bureaucracy including mandatory training, mandatory meetings, endless streams of documentation of what they are doing that must be provided for district administration, school administration. parents, students. There have been so many guidelines on what is taught and how it is taught that the overhead for their job is adding many hours per week to what they are required to do outside of class time. And throughout this, school systems have decreased compensation. Teachers salaries are not even matching inflation and COLA and they are paid horribly relative to their general level of education. In addition, schools have cut budgets for supplies, classroom resources, and even basics like tissues, hand sanitizer, soap and paper towels. Teachers have had to buy those and supplies like markers, pencils, paper, etc out of pocket to support their classrooms. I know dozens of teachers in multiple school districts (I am not a teacher, I just know many) and I don't know a single one that hasn't had to provide supplies and basics out of pocket to support their students.

At this point, almost all school districts have had rounds of early retirement, abrupt unplanned retirement and teachers leaving the profession. They are understaffed and have more openings than they can find qualified teachers to fill. Hopefully this will make school districts understand that they need to start reprioritizing and maybe start paying teachers what they are worth to fill positions.

Well said!

It's just another person pretending that all of this is so hard. I taught for a decade, went back to school to learn something harder and now have an actual job with deadlines and consequences that actually matter. I've been on both ends. Teachers only think that their jobs are so hard because they completely lack perspective.

Funny. Parents want to say that being without full time in person school is such a crisis that it is causing suicides, while also saying that teaching is a "fake" inconsequential job. Please, tell us about your incredibly important job! I'm sure you're singlehandedly saving the world.

Yup. And they've spent the past year spewing vitriol at teachers, namecalling and mudslinging, all the while continually jumping up and down screaming that they need to get their precious, precious children back into the care of those terrible, horrible, lazy, no-good teachers 30+ hours a week. LOL. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

There are plenty of important jobs that aren't very hard. Somebody has to pick up the trash.

Come on, are we really comparing teachers to trash collectors now? Not that there's anything wrong with being a trash collector, but...there is certainly more education and skill required to be a teacher. I have a science PhD, and I do not have what it takes to spend an entire day working patiently with children in a classroom. It's not in my skillset, so for me, it would be hard. Just like for many people, doing the mathematical analyses I do at my job would be difficult. I do not think teaching can be done adequately from home, but I'm not going to demean the entire profession.

Somewhat more education than a trash collector, but what you really need is patience. That's not a very specialized skill.

You’re making yourself look so petty and childish. Somewhat more education? You don’t need a high school diploma to pick up trash. You need a masters to teach, unless you work in a private school. Just stop. This is such a sad campaign.

DP
Yes, the PP was being ridiculous but where are you that you have to have a MA to teach? I’m an ES teacher in Fairfax County and one doesn’t need an MA.

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Anonymous wrote:Teaching was a cushy job a decade ago. Now with so many jobs that can be done from home, there are so many more options.

I find this refreshing. In the past, many teachers chose the profession because of the hours and summers off. Now that covid has come and gone, teachers who have gotten a taste of WFH will seek out other careers. The hope is that those who actually decide on this profession do so because of the joy of teaching, not because of summers off or other conveniences.

Frankly, we've spent the last decade or two completely devaluing the worth of teachers. School systems have added a host of horrible stupid bureaucracy including mandatory training, mandatory meetings, endless streams of documentation of what they are doing that must be provided for district administration, school administration. parents, students. There have been so many guidelines on what is taught and how it is taught that the overhead for their job is adding many hours per week to what they are required to do outside of class time. And throughout this, school systems have decreased compensation. Teachers salaries are not even matching inflation and COLA and they are paid horribly relative to their general level of education. In addition, schools have cut budgets for supplies, classroom resources, and even basics like tissues, hand sanitizer, soap and paper towels. Teachers have had to buy those and supplies like markers, pencils, paper, etc out of pocket to support their classrooms. I know dozens of teachers in multiple school districts (I am not a teacher, I just know many) and I don't know a single one that hasn't had to provide supplies and basics out of pocket to support their students.

At this point, almost all school districts have had rounds of early retirement, abrupt unplanned retirement and teachers leaving the profession. They are understaffed and have more openings than they can find qualified teachers to fill. Hopefully this will make school districts understand that they need to start reprioritizing and maybe start paying teachers what they are worth to fill positions.

Well said!

It's just another person pretending that all of this is so hard. I taught for a decade, went back to school to learn something harder and now have an actual job with deadlines and consequences that actually matter. I've been on both ends. Teachers only think that their jobs are so hard because they completely lack perspective.

Funny. Parents want to say that being without full time in person school is such a crisis that it is causing suicides, while also saying that teaching is a "fake" inconsequential job. Please, tell us about your incredibly important job! I'm sure you're singlehandedly saving the world.

Yup. And they've spent the past year spewing vitriol at teachers, namecalling and mudslinging, all the while continually jumping up and down screaming that they need to get their precious, precious children back into the care of those terrible, horrible, lazy, no-good teachers 30+ hours a week. LOL. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

There are plenty of important jobs that aren't very hard. Somebody has to pick up the trash.

Come on, are we really comparing teachers to trash collectors now? Not that there's anything wrong with being a trash collector, but...there is certainly more education and skill required to be a teacher. I have a science PhD, and I do not have what it takes to spend an entire day working patiently with children in a classroom. It's not in my skillset, so for me, it would be hard. Just like for many people, doing the mathematical analyses I do at my job would be difficult. I do not think teaching can be done adequately from home, but I'm not going to demean the entire profession.

Somewhat more education than a trash collector, but what you really need is patience. That's not a very specialized skill.

You’re making yourself look so petty and childish. Somewhat more education? You don’t need a high school diploma to pick up trash. You need a masters to teach, unless you work in a private school. Just stop. This is such a sad campaign.

DP
Yes, the PP was being ridiculous but where are you that you have to have a MA to teach? I’m an ES teacher in Fairfax County and one doesn’t need an MA.

Connecticut, Maryland, and New York all require K-12 teachers to hold a masters degree.