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Anonymous wrote:4.3 is the unofficial GPA cut off at our northern VA school for UVA. They place much more value on your years of grades than scores on a test.

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Anonymous wrote:How lower than 4.3 is the GPA? For some schools in Nova, this might put the student in the top 10%.
Grade inflation is unbelievable these last years.

That's why kids pack in so many APs. An A in a regular class actually hurts your GPA if you are trying to be near the top of your class

Poster specifically said a Governor's STEM school so whole different ballgame.

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Gov School kids did significantly better than regular HS schools in our area.

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Anonymous wrote:DC had an 800 math SAT (total 1520), non-academic EC activities included a national title and min 20 hrs/week, attended a Gov STEM School and summer GOV school in performing arts, And is a legacy - rejected from UVA (GPA < 4.3 prior to Sr yr, Asian and from NoVa). Dean J's blogs that tell students that there is no minimum GPA, that it is about the whole student, and that there are no quotas are a little hard to believe...What's sad amongst other things is that DC would not have spent time getting wasted at fraternity/sorority parties and has exactly the integrity UVA's honor system would desire.

Wow, that's very upsetting. I am a UVA alum and I've posted previously. I am appalled that students like your DC were not accepted yet students with lesser stats, publicly posted here, were. Good luck to your DC. Your DC is UVA's great loss. I'm sorry.

I am sorry for PP too, but the State has clearly indicated that last year's fall entering class had a 75th percentile of a 4.48 and higher. A 4.3 puts PP's kid slightly below the median of 4.32 for "normal" entering students. I think it's fair to say that coming from Nova, and especially if Asian American, you must hit above that 75th percentile of 4.48. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

That the DC is in a governor's school makes his GPA appear even comparatively lower. I know one candidate from a governor's school who got into UVA engineering with a 6.72. She says that she received an added 0.17 from each semester of an AP class. She also took four classes a semester. She took almost all APs junior and senior year so 1.36 was added onto 4.0 each year for a total of 6.72.

Presumably DC is being measured against his classmates and found wanting. Same is true at TJ. In addition to needing a high GPA, you must be in the tippy top of your high school class. In the case orf the woman with the 6.72, she was judged against her base high school class and came in no. 3.

Check the "UVA EA 2025" posts and you will see kids with 7.0s being rejected from UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:DC had an 800 math SAT (total 1520), non-academic EC activities included a national title and min 20 hrs/week, attended a Gov STEM School and summer GOV school in performing arts, And is a legacy - rejected from UVA (GPA < 4.3 prior to Sr yr, Asian and from NoVa). Dean J's blogs that tell students that there is no minimum GPA, that it is about the whole student, and that there are no quotas are a little hard to believe...What's sad amongst other things is that DC would not have spent time getting wasted at fraternity/sorority parties and has exactly the integrity UVA's honor system would desire.

Wow, that's very upsetting. I am a UVA alum and I've posted previously. I am appalled that students like your DC were not accepted yet students with lesser stats, publicly posted here, were. Good luck to your DC. Your DC is UVA's great loss. I'm sorry.

I am sorry for PP too, but the State has clearly indicated that last year's fall entering class had a 75th percentile of a 4.48 and higher. A 4.3 puts PP's kid slightly below the median of 4.32 for "normal" entering students. I think it's fair to say that coming from Nova, and especially if Asian American, you must hit above that 75th percentile of 4.48. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

That the DC is in a governor's school makes his GPA appear even comparatively lower. I know one candidate from a governor's school who got into UVA engineering with a 6.72. She says that she received an added 0.17 from each semester of an AP class. She also took four classes a semester. She took almost all APs junior and senior year so 1.36 was added onto 4.0 each year for a total of 6.72.

Presumably DC is being measured against his classmates and found wanting. Same is true at TJ. In addition to needing a high GPA, you must be in the tippy top of your high school class. In the case orf the woman with the 6.72, she was judged against her base high school class and came in no. 3.

Check the "UVA EA 2025" posts and you will see kids with 7.0s being rejected from UVA.

PP said less than 4.3 without specifying how much lower. I'm guessing a decent amount lower because pp hasn't responded to questions for specific gpa.

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Anonymous wrote:DC had an 800 math SAT (total 1520), non-academic EC activities included a national title and min 20 hrs/week, attended a Gov STEM School and summer GOV school in performing arts, And is a legacy - rejected from UVA (GPA < 4.3 prior to Sr yr, Asian and from NoVa). Dean J's blogs that tell students that there is no minimum GPA, that it is about the whole student, and that there are no quotas are a little hard to believe...What's sad amongst other things is that DC would not have spent time getting wasted at fraternity/sorority parties and has exactly the integrity UVA's honor system would desire.

Wow, that's very upsetting. I am a UVA alum and I've posted previously. I am appalled that students like your DC were not accepted yet students with lesser stats, publicly posted here, were. Good luck to your DC. Your DC is UVA's great loss. I'm sorry.

I am sorry for PP too, but the State has clearly indicated that last year's fall entering class had a 75th percentile of a 4.48 and higher. A 4.3 puts PP's kid slightly below the median of 4.32 for "normal" entering students. I think it's fair to say that coming from Nova, and especially if Asian American, you must hit above that 75th percentile of 4.48. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

That the DC is in a governor's school makes his GPA appear even comparatively lower. I know one candidate from a governor's school who got into UVA engineering with a 6.72. She says that she received an added 0.17 from each semester of an AP class. She also took four classes a semester. She took almost all APs junior and senior year so 1.36 was added onto 4.0 each year for a total of 6.72.

Presumably DC is being measured against his classmates and found wanting. Same is true at TJ. In addition to needing a high GPA, you must be in the tippy top of your high school class. In the case orf the woman with the 6.72, she was judged against her base high school class and came in no. 3.

Check the "UVA EA 2025" posts and you will see kids with 7.0s being rejected from UVA.

Really? You think a TJ kid had a 6.72 GPA?

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Anonymous wrote:DC had an 800 math SAT (total 1520), non-academic EC activities included a national title and min 20 hrs/week, attended a Gov STEM School and summer GOV school in performing arts, And is a legacy - rejected from UVA (GPA < 4.3 prior to Sr yr, Asian and from NoVa). Dean J's blogs that tell students that there is no minimum GPA, that it is about the whole student, and that there are no quotas are a little hard to believe...What's sad amongst other things is that DC would not have spent time getting wasted at fraternity/sorority parties and has exactly the integrity UVA's honor system would desire.

Wow, that's very upsetting. I am a UVA alum and I've posted previously. I am appalled that students like your DC were not accepted yet students with lesser stats, publicly posted here, were. Good luck to your DC. Your DC is UVA's great loss. I'm sorry.

Hold on here... as sad as I am for this posters kid, you are taking a bit too far. You do not know these kids so to say that you are "appalled" that "lesser stat" kids were accepted is a bit much. Yes this student sounds great and its a real shame that they were rejected... but did you read their essays and recommendations or those of the kids accepted? I am just as stunned and sad for this posters kid, but no need to denigrate those who did get in by saying they are not as qualified when you truly do not know that.

Which is the more important metric: the essay you wrote for your kid OR the standardized test that your kid took without you being there to help answer questions?

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Anonymous wrote:DC had an 800 math SAT (total 1520), non-academic EC activities included a national title and min 20 hrs/week, attended a Gov STEM School and summer GOV school in performing arts, And is a legacy - rejected from UVA (GPA < 4.3 prior to Sr yr, Asian and from NoVa). Dean J's blogs that tell students that there is no minimum GPA, that it is about the whole student, and that there are no quotas are a little hard to believe...What's sad amongst other things is that DC would not have spent time getting wasted at fraternity/sorority parties and has exactly the integrity UVA's honor system would desire.

Wow, that's very upsetting. I am a UVA alum and I've posted previously. I am appalled that students like your DC were not accepted yet students with lesser stats, publicly posted here, were. Good luck to your DC. Your DC is UVA's great loss. I'm sorry.

I am sorry for PP too, but the State has clearly indicated that last year's fall entering class had a 75th percentile of a 4.48 and higher. A 4.3 puts PP's kid slightly below the median of 4.32 for "normal" entering students. I think it's fair to say that coming from Nova, and especially if Asian American, you must hit above that 75th percentile of 4.48. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

That the DC is in a governor's school makes his GPA appear even comparatively lower. I know one candidate from a governor's school who got into UVA engineering with a 6.72. She says that she received an added 0.17 from each semester of an AP class. She also took four classes a semester. She took almost all APs junior and senior year so 1.36 was added onto 4.0 each year for a total of 6.72.

Presumably DC is being measured against his classmates and found wanting. Same is true at TJ. In addition to needing a high GPA, you must be in the tippy top of your high school class. In the case orf the woman with the 6.72, she was judged against her base high school class and came in no. 3.

Check the "UVA EA 2025" posts and you will see kids with 7.0s being rejected from UVA.

Really? You think a TJ kid had a 6.72 GPA? [/quote]

I never said she was at TJ. She is not. She's in a school further out west.

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Anonymous wrote:DC had an 800 math SAT (total 1520), non-academic EC activities included a national title and min 20 hrs/week, attended a Gov STEM School and summer GOV school in performing arts, And is a legacy - rejected from UVA (GPA < 4.3 prior to Sr yr, Asian and from NoVa). Dean J's blogs that tell students that there is no minimum GPA, that it is about the whole student, and that there are no quotas are a little hard to believe...What's sad amongst other things is that DC would not have spent time getting wasted at fraternity/sorority parties and has exactly the integrity UVA's honor system would desire.

Wow, that's very upsetting. I am a UVA alum and I've posted previously. I am appalled that students like your DC were not accepted yet students with lesser stats, publicly posted here, were. Good luck to your DC. Your DC is UVA's great loss. I'm sorry.

I am sorry for PP too, but the State has clearly indicated that last year's fall entering class had a 75th percentile of a 4.48 and higher. A 4.3 puts PP's kid slightly below the median of 4.32 for "normal" entering students. I think it's fair to say that coming from Nova, and especially if Asian American, you must hit above that 75th percentile of 4.48. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

That the DC is in a governor's school makes his GPA appear even comparatively lower. I know one candidate from a governor's school who got into UVA engineering with a 6.72. She says that she received an added 0.17 from each semester of an AP class. She also took four classes a semester. She took almost all APs junior and senior year so 1.36 was added onto 4.0 each year for a total of 6.72.

Presumably DC is being measured against his classmates and found wanting. Same is true at TJ. In addition to needing a high GPA, you must be in the tippy top of your high school class. In the case orf the woman with the 6.72, she was judged against her base high school class and came in no. 3.

Check the "UVA EA 2025" posts and you will see kids with 7.0s being rejected from UVA.

Really? You think a TJ kid had a 6.72 GPA? [/quote]

I never said she was at TJ. She is not. She's in a school further out west.

Thanks for the clarification, sorry for the snark!

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Anonymous wrote:DC had an 800 math SAT (total 1520), non-academic EC activities included a national title and min 20 hrs/week, attended a Gov STEM School and summer GOV school in performing arts, And is a legacy - rejected from UVA (GPA < 4.3 prior to Sr yr, Asian and from NoVa). Dean J's blogs that tell students that there is no minimum GPA, that it is about the whole student, and that there are no quotas are a little hard to believe...What's sad amongst other things is that DC would not have spent time getting wasted at fraternity/sorority parties and has exactly the integrity UVA's honor system would desire.

Wow, that's very upsetting. I am a UVA alum and I've posted previously. I am appalled that students like your DC were not accepted yet students with lesser stats, publicly posted here, were. Good luck to your DC. Your DC is UVA's great loss. I'm sorry.

I am sorry for PP too, but the State has clearly indicated that last year's fall entering class had a 75th percentile of a 4.48 and higher. A 4.3 puts PP's kid slightly below the median of 4.32 for "normal" entering students. I think it's fair to say that coming from Nova, and especially if Asian American, you must hit above that 75th percentile of 4.48. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

That the DC is in a governor's school makes his GPA appear even comparatively lower. I know one candidate from a governor's school who got into UVA engineering with a 6.72. She says that she received an added 0.17 from each semester of an AP class. She also took four classes a semester. She took almost all APs junior and senior year so 1.36 was added onto 4.0 each year for a total of 6.72.

Presumably DC is being measured against his classmates and found wanting. Same is true at TJ. In addition to needing a high GPA, you must be in the tippy top of your high school class. In the case orf the woman with the 6.72, she was judged against her base high school class and came in no. 3.

Check the "UVA EA 2025" posts and you will see kids with 7.0s being rejected from UVA.

PP said less than 4.3 without specifying how much lower. I'm guessing a decent amount lower because pp hasn't responded to questions for specific gpa. [/quote]


She also didn't say if the counselor checked off the "most rigorous" box. It could be that compared to other students in their class they weren't top 5 or top 10 percent of the class. That GPA is just not high enough for UVA, especially if you are in a governor's school program. In addition to GPA, the GPA is always compared against the offerings of the school ("did this student take the most rigorous courses" and the classmates. If not near the top of the class, then they aren't going to get in. You can't look at the GPA in a vacuum. Another way to look it is that my DS had a 4.05 and got into UVA but he had taken the most rigorous and was valedictorian and had all the necessary test stats. He also submitted the SAT II subject matter test scores which no one here has mentioned.

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Anonymous wrote:DC had an 800 math SAT (total 1520), non-academic EC activities included a national title and min 20 hrs/week, attended a Gov STEM School and summer GOV school in performing arts, And is a legacy - rejected from UVA (GPA < 4.3 prior to Sr yr, Asian and from NoVa). Dean J's blogs that tell students that there is no minimum GPA, that it is about the whole student, and that there are no quotas are a little hard to believe...What's sad amongst other things is that DC would not have spent time getting wasted at fraternity/sorority parties and has exactly the integrity UVA's honor system would desire.

Wow, that's very upsetting. I am a UVA alum and I've posted previously. I am appalled that students like your DC were not accepted yet students with lesser stats, publicly posted here, were. Good luck to your DC. Your DC is UVA's great loss. I'm sorry.

I am sorry for PP too, but the State has clearly indicated that last year's fall entering class had a 75th percentile of a 4.48 and higher. A 4.3 puts PP's kid slightly below the median of 4.32 for "normal" entering students. I think it's fair to say that coming from Nova, and especially if Asian American, you must hit above that 75th percentile of 4.48. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

That the DC is in a governor's school makes his GPA appear even comparatively lower. I know one candidate from a governor's school who got into UVA engineering with a 6.72. She says that she received an added 0.17 from each semester of an AP class. She also took four classes a semester. She took almost all APs junior and senior year so 1.36 was added onto 4.0 each year for a total of 6.72.

Presumably DC is being measured against his classmates and found wanting. Same is true at TJ. In addition to needing a high GPA, you must be in the tippy top of your high school class. In the case orf the woman with the 6.72, she was judged against her base high school class and came in no. 3.

Check the "UVA EA 2025" posts and you will see kids with 7.0s being rejected from UVA.

Really? You think a TJ kid had a 6.72 GPA? [/quote]

I never said she was at TJ. She is not. She's in a school further out west.

Thanks for the clarification, sorry for the snark!

No problem. I do wish there was less snark on the "Colleges" forum. I'm trying to be of some help by explaining you can't look at the GPA in a vacuum.

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Anonymous wrote:DC had an 800 math SAT (total 1520), non-academic EC activities included a national title and min 20 hrs/week, attended a Gov STEM School and summer GOV school in performing arts, And is a legacy - rejected from UVA (GPA < 4.3 prior to Sr yr, Asian and from NoVa). Dean J's blogs that tell students that there is no minimum GPA, that it is about the whole student, and that there are no quotas are a little hard to believe...What's sad amongst other things is that DC would not have spent time getting wasted at fraternity/sorority parties and has exactly the integrity UVA's honor system would desire.

Wow, that's very upsetting. I am a UVA alum and I've posted previously. I am appalled that students like your DC were not accepted yet students with lesser stats, publicly posted here, were. Good luck to your DC. Your DC is UVA's great loss. I'm sorry.

Hold on here... as sad as I am for this posters kid, you are taking a bit too far. You do not know these kids so to say that you are "appalled" that "lesser stat" kids were accepted is a bit much. Yes this student sounds great and its a real shame that they were rejected... but did you read their essays and recommendations or those of the kids accepted? I am just as stunned and sad for this posters kid, but no need to denigrate those who did get in by saying they are not as qualified when you truly do not know that.

Which is the more important metric: the essay you wrote for your kid OR the standardized test that your kid took without you being there to help answer questions?

Haha well I didn’t write my kids essays just like I didn't do all their work in high school which got them a 4.5+. What I am saying however is that four years of HS shown through the GPA and class rank is way more impressive than a single test score. I know plenty of high score kids from our school who had low 4 Gpas that did not get into UVA. And they also had great ECs and are great kids.

The above poster is denigrating the kids that got in with a lower score. if you do not know the whole picture, how can you compare?

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You can't compare GPA across high schools even in the same county. The grading system, retake policy, difficulty of classes is not comparable across schools. Same with class rank. A 4.3 GPA at TJ is still top 25% of the class (which is top 10% of county in STEM) and that should get a kid into UVA all other things being equal, but it just doesn't. Kids at TJ traditionally would try and make up for this with high test scores (SAT, ACT, Subject Tests, 5s on all AP exams), but with test optional this year, that is out the door. Not the above poster and not trying to denigrate those that got in, but the system is flawed.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the chances you will get in if you were deferred? How many deferrals turn into acceptances?

I would like to know as well. Is a deferral from UVA basically a NO?

According to Dean J,‘s blog, last year 8% of deferrals were offered admission. It was 12% the year before.

The 8,000 deferrals are now in the same pot as the 16,000 RD applications. Not many spots left...

23:13 on page ten above ran the numbers:

48,000 - 32,000 between ED/EA = 16,000 RD

I imagine they lose many to other schools’ ED and ED2.


You forgot about the deferred applicants from ED and EA who will get a second shot in the RD round. There are 8000 deferred applicants. For another file review, these students have to file a form. If half the deferred students elect a review, that’s 4000 more applicants in the RD round, in addition to the 16,000 RD applicants, or 20,000 total.

Hard to know how many of the defers will withdraw, too. Did you notice that the defers have to fill something out to confirm that they want to be reconsidered?

Yes. So how many more admits will there be ?

That's a very good question and one I can't answer. Usually, the institution uses an algorithm provided by expensive consultants to assess how many EA students can be expected to accept as well as how many RD students will show up (I'm assuming all the ED students show up minus a fraction for those who defer or have a personal reason for not matriculating). I understand UVA is aiming for a class of 3750, which sounds about right. What they can't assess well this year is how many will accept EA or even RD offers because COVID has thrown a monkey wrench into college admissions. UVA does not want a situation like VT had about three years ago when it tried out a new algorithm and wound up with far too many students accepting. Immediately after that, UVA started ED, because it, too, needed to have a better sense of how many students would accept offers (the "yield). Prior to Covid, there was a lot of nervousness about the fact that SLACs and other privates were pricing themselves out of reach for even UMC. So more and admitted more students were accepting UVA than in the past because of its value. Then Covid came and many families found their savings depleted, lost jobs or were laid off. That makes all the publics look a LOT more attractive to a financially-stressed family. Bearing that in mind, the wisest course of action for UVA is to admit a smaller RD class than usual and then wait and see how many EA and RD accept. They need to control because they can't handle more than the 3750 - it's not a school where dorm trailers can be brought in or hotels leased out (easily). Once the office knows that answer (May 1), then it will turn to the monstrous deferral list.

It is really sad that hardworking kids with kids with good stats can’t get into their stat flagship from TJ! I am sure lots of kids and parents are questioning if all those AP classes etc and going to TJ was worth it!

Why only TJ? Look, I'm not one who much cares about the back and forth about TJ. My kid doesn't want to go. Maybe couldn't get admitted or maybe could? Doesn't matter, DC isn't planning to apply and I don't care. But . . .

That doesn't mean that kids who go to their "normal" public, perform at a very high level, and may be just as well rounded (if not more so) than TJ kids are any less deserving of a spot at UVA. The ones with similar GPAs also work very hard, take lots of APs, etc.

What a tone deaf, offensive statement.

Did not intend to offend anyone. DCUM loves TJ and most parents want their kids to attend TJ. Jus pointed out the fact that since its so hard to get into TJ why bother if you can’t get into UvA? Did not mean to imply nonTJ kids are in anyway inferior or less deserving.

You are making huge assumptions. I would never want my kid to attend TJ nor would any of my friends. It is a total miserable grind. Lots and lots of Asian immigrant families see TJ as a path into UMC life for their kids. It is something like 70% Asian and very few AA or Hispanic kids. Weird social dynamic.

Some 80 students at TJ will get in and some 40-50 will attend. Just because one person from TJ appears on this board doesn't mean all of the TJ students aren't getting into UVA. TJ sends by far more students to UVA than any other institution. It's just gotten harder everywhere to get in and especially at UVA

I think TJ yield is lower than that.

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Anonymous wrote:You can't compare GPA across high schools even in the same county. The grading system, retake policy, difficulty of classes is not comparable across schools. Same with class rank. A 4.3 GPA at TJ is still top 25% of the class (which is top 10% of county in STEM) and that should get a kid into UVA all other things being equal, but it just doesn't. Kids at TJ traditionally would try and make up for this with high test scores (SAT, ACT, Subject Tests, 5s on all AP exams), but with test optional this year, that is out the door. Not the above poster and not trying to denigrate those that got in, but the system is flawed.

There are no standards for GPA across schools districts, across states, or across the country. The University of Florida, according to its common data set has a higher average GPA than UVA, which has a higher average GPA than Harvard. I doubt that this is the proper sequence for selectivity. If they don't convert the transcript to something that allows for these differences, it is unusable.

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Anonymous wrote:For the bitterly disappointed and jealous parents: you should have worked to get your state legislature to insist on increasing the class size.

UVA is landlocked and can't grow much at all. The city has grown up around it. That's why the legislature is pumping money into the other universities and why Virginia has 40 other great options to chose from. The one time I am aware of a representative introducing a bill to enlarge the class, the bill never made it out of committee. It was for show only to the constituents

Nope.

JMU expanded significantly and I believe it gets less money per student than any other Virginia public college.

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I suspect it’s UVA. About a decade ago, UVA offered to start privatizing and taking less money from the Commonwealth in exchange for more autonomy. That mice has been very successful. Today it receives only 6 percent of its operating fund from the Commonwealth.

No, JMU gets substantially less on a per in-state student basis. My point was, if the schools grow, like JMU did, they can't guarantee they will get correspondingly more from the state. Here are the numbers:

Institution In-State FTE Enrollment General Fund Appropriation GF per FTE
Norfolk State University 3,645 $58,802,816 $16,132
Virginia State University 3,056 $44,982,297 $14,719
University of Virginia 14,294 $150,498,551 $10,529
William & Mary 5,105 $48,255,414 $9,453
Virginia Commonwealth University 23,902 $224,583,999 $9,396
Old Dominion University 17,358 $151,806,536 $8,746
University of Mary Washington 3,887 $32,284,770 $8,306
Virginia Tech 23,146 $191,215,607 $8,261
Longwood University 4,160 $33,227,949 $7,987
Radford University 8,067 $62,485,517 $7,746
Christopher Newport University 4,498 $34,150,888 $7,592
George Mason University 24,905 $165,889,872 $6,661
James Madison University 15,929 $93,924,239 $5,896

So JMU only gets 56% as much from the state for each in-state student.