CES Decision Letters

Anonymous
They can identify "ever" FARMS kids and other school districts have done this successfully by giving extra points to ever FARMS and ever ESOL kids.

This is actually the premier model being used after a big success in the Miami gifted program.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:They can identify "ever" FARMS kids and other school districts have done this successfully by giving extra points to ever FARMS and ever ESOL kids.

This is actually the premier model being used after a big success in the Miami gifted program.


Yes, but this is unrelated to the school SES bands they're using for the CogAT.
Anonymous
The previous PP asked why they are using SES bands based on the school and not the individual child. This was a response to that question.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Respectfully, you need to stop. MCPS has been very open about their goals and it has been addressed in countless meetings and reports. They have defined diversity as having to do with race and socio-economic status, and their goal is to close that gap.

I don't disagree that there are some parents crying foul and blaming the diversity goal for negative results but it's all about your perception of the purpose of the programs and who "deserves" or "needs" admission. No one is wrong.

Some would argue that the 99th percentile rich kid fairly beat out the 89th percentile FARMS kid and should be admitted. My view is that we need to account for hardships so maybe the 89th percentile FARMS kid is more deserving and "needs" it more. But what about a 50th percentile FARMS kid?


I have a teen boy who did not get in magnets and a daughter who did.

I hate the idea that a selective, advanced academic program should consider anything other than academics. Gender, race, or proxies for those, should never be considered. Special programs should not be used as a tool to correct society's ills, when federal, state and local government should (and do, to a large extent) take it upon themselves to bolster upward mobility. I have the same opinion about college admissions.



But if you go back in history to the MCPS magnets a lot of the goal was desegregation. They evolved over the years to become selective, advanced academic programs for those motivated to apply but it wasn't always that way. I think college admissions are a different issue - related but different.

Anonymous
Are we still sharing results on this thread? 59% MCPS and 91% nationwide, a girl, rejected.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Respectfully, you need to stop. MCPS has been very open about their goals and it has been addressed in countless meetings and reports. They have defined diversity as having to do with race and socio-economic status, and their goal is to close that gap.

I don't disagree that there are some parents crying foul and blaming the diversity goal for negative results but it's all about your perception of the purpose of the programs and who "deserves" or "needs" admission. No one is wrong.

Some would argue that the 99th percentile rich kid fairly beat out the 89th percentile FARMS kid and should be admitted. My view is that we need to account for hardships so maybe the 89th percentile FARMS kid is more deserving and "needs" it more. But what about a 50th percentile FARMS kid?


I have a teen boy who did not get in magnets and a daughter who did.

I hate the idea that a selective, advanced academic program should consider anything other than academics. Gender, race, or proxies for those, should never be considered. Special programs should not be used as a tool to correct society's ills, when federal, state and local government should (and do, to a large extent) take it upon themselves to bolster upward mobility. I have the same opinion about college admissions.



But if you go back in history to the MCPS magnets a lot of the goal was desegregation. They evolved over the years to become selective, advanced academic programs for those motivated to apply but it wasn't always that way. I think college admissions are a different issue - related but different.



Personally, that history matters very little to me.

A modern public school system needs to have:
1. Challenging work for its general population, which MCPS does not really have at the elementary school level, and not much at the middle school level. It gets better in high school.
2. Special programs for its special needs population and ESOL population. There are solid systems in place for learning differences (with the shocking exception of dyslexia, this should be corrected ASAP) and various programs for Asperger's, autism, emotional disorders, etc, as well as magnets for highly able students. Yes, I consider all these differences to be special needs. All of these programs could be made better, but I'm happy they're THERE.

Well and good. What I don't want to do is use the public school system as the tool for racial healing. It won't work, and in the process students are not getting placed where they should be.
Anonymous
Just found this thread, 80% MCPS, 97 National. Accepted. Am very confused.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Just found this thread, 80% MCPS, 97 National. Accepted. Am very confused.


Home school?
CES?

I assume your child's MAP-R and MAP-M scores were high 99th percentile and he or she had all As.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Just found this thread, 80% MCPS, 97 National. Accepted. Am very confused.


That is interesting. My son 80% MCPS, 97% National, Rejected. Zoned for Barnsley.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just found this thread, 80% MCPS, 97 National. Accepted. Am very confused.


Home school?
CES?

I assume your child's MAP-R and MAP-M scores were high 99th percentile and he or she had all As.



FARMS or ESOL?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just found this thread, 80% MCPS, 97 National. Accepted. Am very confused.


That is interesting. My son 80% MCPS, 97% National, Rejected. Zoned for Barnsley.


Barnsley looks to be pretty competitive this year.
Someone posted earlier that a 93% MCPS/99% national child was also rejected from BE - is that Barnsley.



Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just found this thread, 80% MCPS, 97 National. Accepted. Am very confused.


That is interesting. My son 80% MCPS, 97% National, Rejected. Zoned for Barnsley.


Barnsley looks to be pretty competitive this year.
Someone posted earlier that a 93% MCPS/99% national child was also rejected from BE - is that Barnsley.





No, I asked. It was Bethesda Elementary. The CES is Chevy Chase.
Anonymous
Barnsley
Accepted
MCPS 94/National 98

Rejected
MCPS 93/National 99

Cold Spring
Accepted
MCPS 94/National 99
MCPS 96/National 99
MCPS 99/National 99
MCPS 94/National 99

Waitlisted
MCPS 98/National 99

Rejected
MCPS 92/National 99

Drew
Accepted
99/99

Chevy Chase
Accepted
MCPS 96/National 99
MCPS 94/National 99
MCPS 98/National 99

Waitlisted
MCPS 86/National 98

Rejected
MCPS 76/National 96
MCPS 64/National 92
MCPS 93/National 99

Clearspring
Waitlisted
MCPS 96

Oakview
Accepted
MCPS 98/National 99
MCPS 95/National 95
MCPS 99/National 99

PBES
Accepted
MCPS 96/National 99
MCPS 98/National 99

Rejected
MCPS 87/National 97

Pinecrest
MCPS 97/National 99


Accepted
MCPS 90/National 97 (20902)
MCPS 91/National 95 (20874)
MCPS 95/National 99 (20815)
MCPS 96/Natiional 99 (20871)
Anonymous
Thank you for your summary, 12:45!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just found this thread, 80% MCPS, 97 National. Accepted. Am very confused.


Home school?
CES?

I assume your child's MAP-R and MAP-M scores were high 99th percentile and he or she had all As.



She was accepted into Cold Spring (Not FARMS or ESOL). She is quite advanced, especially in writing. I just don't understand the 80% number.
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