This woman seated between two obese people is awful but so are they for not buying the extra seat.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't condone this woman's behavior at all (although I understand her frustration). I also think the comments calling these people 'porkers', 'fatsos', etc. are very rude.

However: for those justifying the obese couple's behavior. Please explain why it is acceptable for someone to pay for XYZ amount of space, and occupy XYZ.5 amount of space? If I pay for a handbag at the store, I can't just walk out with the original handbag plus a half size handbag for the same price. I don't understand how anyone thinks that is okay.


I don't think it's 'ok' but I think this is the airlines fault and they put people in impossible situations constantly that cause passengers to turn on each other instead of the airline.

A handbag costs thr same for a 160 pound woman as it does for a 300 pound woman. The store sells things in a way to not impose on others. The concept of an airline seat being synonymous with a rental of square footage is recent. Tall people, people with children, all kinds of people can infringe on space because it is a tiny amount of space.

You're not paying for a handbag, you're not really paying for a seat. You're paying for fuel and the ability to be transferred from point a to point b safely. When you choose public transportation you choose to interact with the public.

Airlines have made air travel extremely stressful and they have cut corners designed to see how far they can go before passengers break. In this situation they have counted on the prejudice and vitriol people have for fat people to escape the ramifications. Good customer service would be both not making fat people feel like horrible blights on society AND not making smaller sized customers feel infringed on. If that handbag lady in front of you made a fat customer go sit in an uncomfortable chair and left her there on display while she took care of thin customers and showed no empathy for service towards her would you buy that handbag? I wouldn't.


Your post doesn't really make sense.

The point is that there's literally NO WAY to not "make fat people feel like horrible blights on society" unless they make them pay more to be accommodated differently. Which is discrimination, perhaps, and at a minimum you'll get obnoxious people like the ones in question here thinking that they should be able to fly in the same seats as everyone else in the same way as everyone else without anyone calling them out on anything. They could have followed the policy (or basic manners/human decency) and purchased extra seats, but they were too entitled to do that. They need to be FORCED to pay extra, FORCED to "care" about others, and but then they will "feel like horrible blights on society".

The fact is that someone has to pay extra for those people being so fat. The question is - should it be the airline (which essentially pushes the increased costs onto other passengers indirectly), should it be the other passengers directly (in terms of removing their space/comfort), or should it be the fat people themselves (which would need to be mandated, since clearly most of them won't do it by choice)?


You don't like or agree with my point but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.

Good customer service means making all your customers welcome. Airlines could:

- have some bigger seats that are more expensive but aren't double the price of others.
- be clear about seat sizes and distance between seats in the coming process
- dont move or rebook people who have chosen a bigger seat for this reason
- dont give away extra seats that are purchased for this reason
- don't overbook flights
- don't charge extra for seat selection

Yes that will offload the cost to all customers but might make us all hate the airlines less so in my opinion the correct move. You're probably someone who doesn't want to pay taxes because you like to talk about how 'you built it's while you drive on public roads.

A civil society doesn't treat people like lepers. We play more to avoid reverting to that kind of society.
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Anonymous wrote:I don't condone this woman's behavior at all (although I understand her frustration). I also think the comments calling these people 'porkers', 'fatsos', etc. are very rude.

However: for those justifying the obese couple's behavior. Please explain why it is acceptable for someone to pay for XYZ amount of space, and occupy XYZ.5 amount of space? If I pay for a handbag at the store, I can't just walk out with the original handbag plus a half size handbag for the same price. I don't understand how anyone thinks that is okay.


You are using a faulty analogy here. There's a difference between goods and services, and an airplane ticket isn't the same as a handbag at a store. Unlike handbags, people vary and can't control their size (at least, at the moment of boarding that flight). It's not that they are spilling in the adjacent seats out of spite, if you get my drift, they just don't fit in theirs.

How is this different from mainstreaming special needs children into regular classrooms? Your SN child requires extra help, throws tantrums and slows down the pace of instruction, while my little genuis is quietly suffering in the corner, "not working to his full potential", and both of us pay taxes into the system, in fact, I may be paying more than you are. But the law requires the school to educate everyone, regardless, so the little genuis just has to suck it up and deal. This is life.


First, public education is a right. Flying on a private airline (to Vegas, no less) is not a right.

Second, you're disgusting for seriously suggesting that a SN child is the same as a 400 lb obese couple - not one but two heavily obese people who are so big and gross that they don't even want to sit next to each other on the plane even though they're actually married. One of whom can't even wait until the plane actually leaves the ground to put more food into her mouth.


I couldn't agree with you more. that's incredibly rude to say about a SN kid.


DP. I have zero sympathy for those crying foul on using a theoretical SN kid when they have not spoken up against the disgusting cruel and shameful language used against overweight and obese people in this thread


Lol, I think it's way more disgusting that someone would call a 4'11, 115lb woman fat. I'm a dietician and that is normal weight.


More disgusting than what has been said about these two people here? You're a POS
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Anonymous wrote:Stop calling the people in the video “fat”. They are not fat they are morbidly obese and filled 1.5 of each seat.


No they were not. The man was not even touching her. The woman's arm was encroaching maybe one inch into the seat. Stop being hyperbolic.
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When I flew a very small commuter airplane I had to be weighed in and so did my luggage to make sure the plane wasn't didn't exceed the maximum load. Tickets should be based on weight. If the airline were flying 100 elementary school kids weighing on average 80 pounds vs. a 100 college football team weighing on average 240 pounds the airline would save plenty of money in fuel costs. The football players should pay more than the small kids.
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Anonymous wrote:I understand there is a real issue with spacing and seats here but the nastiness on this thread is awful and a reminder of how the is this disgusting double standard with people who are overweight and obese. Unlike all other vices they happen to wear theirs on their sleeve abs the whole world feels entitled to treat them as less than human.

So disheartening. Find some compassion and peace pps. St Peter won't be approving of this type of dehumanizing insulting and cruel cruel cruel language.


Oh please. You probably would have been screaming if you had to sit in that middle seat


I absolutely would not have. I've been im similar situations. I put on my headphones and close my eyes. My mo on all public transportation.

I CERTAINLY wouldn't have been calling them names loudly into a phone. I have some basic human decency.


Riiiiiight. You would have just sat there being squeezed on either side of you, unable to move, with the horrible stench coming bc they can’t wipe themselves, and been happy as could be.


Wow.

Yes there are people capable of not being complete human trash. They exist. I don't feel like I'm tooting my horn to say I wouldn't act like a petulant child.


Basically, you're saying that in a situation like this it would be your job to suck it up and be squished between to unusually large individuals who were too cheap to buy themselves an extra seat and have their bodies half onto your seat?

I suppose if they wanted to wipe their feet on you that would be o.k. too?


They're living their life and I'm living mine. It looks like she has space to me. Certainly enough to not cause a scene and publicly embarrass people for something they are likely already embarrassed about.

I would not let anyone wipe their feet on me. That would be purposefully invading my space with the intent to humiliate or harm me. Not inadvertently in a difficult situation.

I do consider it part of my job as a decent person to be nice yes.
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Good customer service means making all your customers welcome. Airlines could:

- have some bigger seats that are more expensive but aren't double the price of others.
- be clear about seat sizes and distance between seats in the coming process
- dont move or rebook people who have chosen a bigger seat for this reason
- dont give away extra seats that are purchased for this reason
- don't overbook flights
- don't charge extra for seat selection


They already have a lot of that and/or it won't address the problem.

If you want a bigger seat, pay for first class. I travel a lot for work but I know my trip plans many months in advance. First class, when bought far ahead, is the same price as buying economy class a month or two ahead.

Seat sizes are easily found on seatguru.com and the airline's website. It's not hidden at all.

Seat selection is a value to customers.. they should charge for it if people are willing to pay. Besides, that won't solve the issue if 2 large people traveling together choose to sit in the same row/section.

I agree airlines shouldnt' give away extra seats -- I didn't realize this was so common.
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Anonymous wrote:
Good customer service means making all your customers welcome. Airlines could:

- have some bigger seats that are more expensive but aren't double the price of others.
- be clear about seat sizes and distance between seats in the coming process
- dont move or rebook people who have chosen a bigger seat for this reason
- dont give away extra seats that are purchased for this reason
- don't overbook flights
- don't charge extra for seat selection


They already have a lot of that and/or it won't address the problem.

If you want a bigger seat, pay for first class. I travel a lot for work but I know my trip plans many months in advance. First class, when bought far ahead, is the same price as buying economy class a month or two ahead.

Seat sizes are easily found on seatguru.com and the airline's website. It's not hidden at all.

Seat selection is a value to customers.. they should charge for it if people are willing to pay. Besides, that won't solve the issue if 2 large people traveling together choose to sit in the same row/section.

I agree airlines shouldnt' give away extra seats -- I didn't realize this was so common.


The issue is the two larger adults clearly planned this to either get an empty middle seat or let someone else have the space burden. They should have picked two seats together instead of selfishly putting a stranger in the middle of them. I would have been pissed. I've had it happen and its miserable. She should have handled it better asking for a seat change, but most likely there were not any extra seats. The larger folks should should have put her on the isle and taken the window and middle.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Good customer service means making all your customers welcome. Airlines could:

- have some bigger seats that are more expensive but aren't double the price of others.
- be clear about seat sizes and distance between seats in the coming process
- dont move or rebook people who have chosen a bigger seat for this reason
- dont give away extra seats that are purchased for this reason
- don't overbook flights
- don't charge extra for seat selection


They already have a lot of that and/or it won't address the problem.

If you want a bigger seat, pay for first class. I travel a lot for work but I know my trip plans many months in advance. First class, when bought far ahead, is the same price as buying economy class a month or two ahead.

Seat sizes are easily found on seatguru.com and the airline's website. It's not hidden at all.

Seat selection is a value to customers.. they should charge for it if people are willing to pay. Besides, that won't solve the issue if 2 large people traveling together choose to sit in the same row/section.

I agree airlines shouldnt' give away extra seats -- I didn't realize this was so common.


First class is prohibitively expensive as it currently stands for the vast vast majority of Americans. If you want large people to consistently be able to fly in a bigger seat you need to make it somewhat affordable. Making it a choice between 200 and 1200 isn't reasonable. You have no idea what you're talking about with that plan ahead bs. I travel a lot and no buying your ticket two months in advance does not mean you can buy first class for cheap.

If seat sizing was laid out during the seat purchase process and there was an indicator a buyer could choose to note their weight I believe more would choose intelligently. If the system knew their weight they could offer only seats available for their size. This could all happen in the privacy of the flyers home instead of in front of 100 judgy tired stressed out strangers.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Good customer service means making all your customers welcome. Airlines could:

- have some bigger seats that are more expensive but aren't double the price of others.
- be clear about seat sizes and distance between seats in the coming process
- dont move or rebook people who have chosen a bigger seat for this reason
- dont give away extra seats that are purchased for this reason
- don't overbook flights
- don't charge extra for seat selection


They already have a lot of that and/or it won't address the problem.

If you want a bigger seat, pay for first class. I travel a lot for work but I know my trip plans many months in advance. First class, when bought far ahead, is the same price as buying economy class a month or two ahead.

Seat sizes are easily found on seatguru.com and the airline's website. It's not hidden at all.

Seat selection is a value to customers.. they should charge for it if people are willing to pay. Besides, that won't solve the issue if 2 large people traveling together choose to sit in the same row/section.

I agree airlines shouldnt' give away extra seats -- I didn't realize this was so common.


The issue is the two larger adults clearly planned this to either get an empty middle seat or let someone else have the space burden. They should have picked two seats together instead of selfishly putting a stranger in the middle of them. I would have been pissed. I've had it happen and its miserable. She should have handled it better asking for a seat change, but most likely there were not any extra seats. The larger folks should should have put her on the isle and taken the window and middle.


I bet they at least know how to spell aisle since they were clever enough to go for this seat strategy.
Anonymous
Looking at the video again as the PP having flown 5.5 hours in a window seat these seats look a lot wider than the ones on the flight I was on. I didn’t nearly have as much space as the woman did. And she was a bitch. But so was the nurse. This is mostly on United for not quickly finding a solution. Especially if there were empty seats!!
Anonymous
If someone pays for 1 seat, they are entitled to exactly 1 seat, not 1.25 or 1.5 seats. If they cannot fit within that 1 seat (with the armrest down) and if they spill over into the adjacent seat in any shape, way, or form, then they should also be required to buy the adjacent seat.

In this particular situation, everyone screwed up. The airline should've re-seated the woman in the middle. The couple should've sat together to give the woman the aisle seat since they were both spilling over into the middle seat and physically infringing on the woman's space. Obviously, the woman shouldn't have been so rude or engaged in name-calling but I can totally understand her frustration. She paid for 1 seat, not .75 or .5 seat.



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The way the blonde complained was stupid and uncalled for, HOWEVER, I get where she is coming from. I can’t stand strangers touching me or my body brushing against them, had I been in her place I would have quietly asked for a replacement seat. I would have opted for another flight rather than such gross body contact with two strangers. Fat people were incredibly rude in booking the aisle and window, I mean who the hell is going to sit in the middle for 5hrs????

Also, the nurse spoke like she walked right out of the projects, she could have handled this with maturity.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The way the blonde complained was stupid and uncalled for, HOWEVER, I get where she is coming from. I can’t stand strangers touching me or my body brushing against them, had I been in her place I would have quietly asked for a replacement seat. I would have opted for another flight rather than such gross body contact with two strangers. Fat people were incredibly rude in booking the aisle and window, I mean who the hell is going to sit in the middle for 5hrs????

Also, the nurse spoke like she walked right out of the projects, she could have handled this with maturity.


Some people have places to go, things to do, and a schedule to stick to. They can’t use their crystal ball to look into the future, see that they would be wedged between two enormously fat people on the plane (traveling together but refusing to sit together) and just decide to suck up the additional fees (needing to buy a new last minute ticket in most cases) and “opt” for a later flight.

The flight attendants let those people board and the gate staff knew there was a passenger seated between them as they were boarding. They should have prevented this entire situation by pulling the PROBLEM people (ie the ones who don’t fit into a standard seat) aside to explain that THEY can’t take this flight and will need to make alternate arrangements (a less full flight, first class, ground travel, etc). It should never have been the woman in the middle who had to deal with it. What if she’d said nothing, as the fat people apparently expected? Then she would have just suffered the entire flight. Wonder how many people have had to do that in the past. Apparently at least two people per week for these passengers alone, since they claim to travel every week and it’s evidently their strategy to force a normal sized person to squeeze between them as if that is even vaguely appropriate behavior.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Good customer service means making all your customers welcome. Airlines could:

- have some bigger seats that are more expensive but aren't double the price of others.
- be clear about seat sizes and distance between seats in the coming process
- dont move or rebook people who have chosen a bigger seat for this reason
- dont give away extra seats that are purchased for this reason
- don't overbook flights
- don't charge extra for seat selection


They already have a lot of that and/or it won't address the problem.

If you want a bigger seat, pay for first class. I travel a lot for work but I know my trip plans many months in advance. First class, when bought far ahead, is the same price as buying economy class a month or two ahead.

Seat sizes are easily found on seatguru.com and the airline's website. It's not hidden at all.

Seat selection is a value to customers.. they should charge for it if people are willing to pay. Besides, that won't solve the issue if 2 large people traveling together choose to sit in the same row/section.

I agree airlines shouldnt' give away extra seats -- I didn't realize this was so common.


The issue is the two larger adults clearly planned this to either get an empty middle seat or let someone else have the space burden. They should have picked two seats together instead of selfishly putting a stranger in the middle of them. I would have been pissed. I've had it happen and its miserable. She should have handled it better asking for a seat change, but most likely there were not any extra seats. The larger folks should should have put her on the isle and taken the window and middle.


I bet they at least know how to spell aisle since they were clever enough to go for this seat strategy.


+1

My DH and I do this all of the time. Why would you intentionally sit in a middle seat? If the middle seat gets taken then you can switch but if you book a middle seat you will definitely have a middle seat.

- frequent flyers, not obese
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The way the blonde complained was stupid and uncalled for, HOWEVER, I get where she is coming from. I can’t stand strangers touching me or my body brushing against them, had I been in her place I would have quietly asked for a replacement seat. I would have opted for another flight rather than such gross body contact with two strangers. Fat people were incredibly rude in booking the aisle and window, I mean who the hell is going to sit in the middle for 5hrs????

Also, the nurse spoke like she walked right out of the projects, she could have handled this with maturity.


Fat-shaming racist scum. You must be the twat from the video.
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