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Anonymous wrote:I’m ok with RFK because I’m so tired of the arrogance of medical professionals telling me what to take, requiring doctors visits, etc. Stop telling me to not do ADHD or weight loss drugs because it’s weak. If there’s a medical reason to not do them, great. But many doctors are so judgmental.

Goddamn those scientists and doctors who know more about science and medicine than me! The Google and WebMD told me about how to treat my condition, therefore I know more than them.

Yes, stick it to all those “experts”

Experts are still people at the end of the day. They have biases, blindspots, and many are not nearly as intelligent as you might hope. Many are simply closed off to new information, hence the quote: "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it ..."

Then you have to factor in institutional capture and self interest...

Experts haven't exactly been covering themselves in glory of late. Why should we defer to them when it’s so easy to poke holes in their orthodoxy?

Experts have been doing just fine. The frequency of people disagreeing with them on the basis of no evidence has increased, though. This is because a certain person repeatedly sought to benefit himself politically by telling everyone not to trust those experts.

Trump told people to ignore all COVID safety measures so he wouldn’t be stuck with a bad economy in October 2020. Now his voters think they shouldn’t trust the vaccines that make you safer from COVID. It’s that simple.

The reason you all think ivermectin is a miracle cure for COVID is, again, because Trump wanted a way to keep people from staying inside so the economy didn’t sputter. Now you all take horse dewormer for the disease you also claim isn’t a big deal but was created by the Chinese military and Anthony Fauci.

But it’s the experts’ fault you don’t trust basic science.

Let's keep in mind that during Covid we shut down schools, churches, parks and gyms but kept liquor stores open on the recommendations of experts. That's just the tip of the iceberg of Covid absurdities from the experts btw.

Look, I agree that it wasn't perfect. It is wrong schools were shutdown while liquor and video game stores were open. I remember game stop finagling the system in order to remain open. But it was unprecedented times. You can't expect perfection during a catastrophic pandemic. Even the whole PPP loan handout had a lot of bad case study examples of where it was abused, but overall, the problem helped a ton. Issues like these are never binary and they're never all good or only all bad. Perfection cannot be the enemy of good.


It's also easier to sit there in hindsight and cast judgment on what should have been done so response was perfect. Much different story when we were actually in the trenches during the peak of a global pandemic.

Many of us were fighting this battle at the time, because it was as absurd then as it looks in hindsight. The experts were wrong on almost everything during Covid. The way we moved on from Covid is how we should have treated it from the beginning, and that is by treating it like the flu. Experts had to be fought tooth-and-nail at every step. They were downright harmful, and predictably so.

The only reason people carry water for them is because they've blocked this sordid episode out of their minds.

millions died daily, many more in red than blue states. Ask yourself why.

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Anonymous wrote:We would meltdown because this is insane. You are ok with kids dying from drinking raw milk?

Good God you people are hopelessly brainwashed. Humans have consumed "raw milk" for...hundreds of thousands of years.

Humans have also died from preventable, curable diseases for hundreds of thousands of years. Luckily now we have the technology to prevent this from happening. Have you ever taken antibiotics in your life?

RFK is anti-antibiotic now? Look, we had very different hygiene and sanitation standards and technology before. When you remove feces and other pollutants from water and food supply and introduce antibiotics most things that used to kill people in early age are rather manageable. But lets not forget that people are still dying TODAY at a young age and certainly in middle age from things like cancer, heart disease, genetic conditions, diabetes, etc. Cancer is on the rise, I actually don't know if our life expectancy will be any better than our ancestors in the dark ages pretty soon if we don't do something about it.

He is on the right track, everything is fair game to investigate why our chronic illness is on the rise as well as poorly managed and often incurable terminal illnesses. I mean everything: Food, water, air quality, hormonal birth control and common medical treatments, and yes, vaccines too. Nothing is a "sacred cow" when people are dying increasingly earlier and earlier. It's too late when life expectancy drops to mid 50s while our kids are dying from OD (with increased drug use and mental health issues) with healthy ones foregoing having kids or having fertility issues.

We were talking about raw milk. You are changing the subject to distract. If you are concerned about mortality rates, why put an unsafe product on shelves?

RFK doesn’t care about health. He cares about discrediting legitimate medicine so that he and his backers can sell useless supplements to idiots.

I am asking you again, is raw milk doing to be mandatory? How does it concern you that people will be able to buy it legally any more than it concerns you that people can buy alcohol, tobacco, and even garbage high TCH content cannabis products?

The point is that if you are concerned about increasing mortality as RFK claims to be, how can you also support legalizing the sale of raw milk, which increases mortality? It’s inconsistent. How do you justify that inconsistency?

Still waiting for someone to explain this…

I am not a raw milk drinker, but open a history book. Pasteurization was a MASSIVE advancement in the history of human health -- actually listed as one of the big three of the 20th century. So many children died from the bacteria in milk...SO MANY...BUT, that's because our cold storage was trash, and milk would literally be rotting on doorsteps. Times have changed! The people selling raw milk are just...farmers selling milk from udder to glass, essentially. This is not any different that buying some beef at a farmers market that hasn't been pumped full of medicine. Dairy farmers all over the country milk a cow, then pour it into a glass for their kids. Are they bad parents? When you get that coveted reservation at Stone Barns and the chef serves you a dairy dish "straight from our artisanal cows out back" are you reporting them to the FDA?

You people hate Trump so much that you are blind to common sense. If some rich, crunchy mom wants to meet her farmer and buy his milk, let her.

It is still LESS safe than pasteurized milk and has no demonstrated health benefit that offsets that risk as compared to pasteurized milk. Therefore, it does not make sense for a person who claims to be concerned about foods increasing mortality rates to insist that raw milk be easier to purchase. You still haven’t explained this.

Unless there’s some other explanation, the only conclusion is that RFK isn’t actually concerned about people being healthier. He’s concerned about making it easier to sell woowoo snake oil.

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Anonymous wrote:We would meltdown because this is insane. You are ok with kids dying from drinking raw milk?

Good God you people are hopelessly brainwashed. Humans have consumed "raw milk" for...hundreds of thousands of years.

Humans have also died from preventable, curable diseases for hundreds of thousands of years. Luckily now we have the technology to prevent this from happening. Have you ever taken antibiotics in your life?

RFK is anti-antibiotic now? Look, we had very different hygiene and sanitation standards and technology before. When you remove feces and other pollutants from water and food supply and introduce antibiotics most things that used to kill people in early age are rather manageable. But lets not forget that people are still dying TODAY at a young age and certainly in middle age from things like cancer, heart disease, genetic conditions, diabetes, etc. Cancer is on the rise, I actually don't know if our life expectancy will be any better than our ancestors in the dark ages pretty soon if we don't do something about it.

He is on the right track, everything is fair game to investigate why our chronic illness is on the rise as well as poorly managed and often incurable terminal illnesses. I mean everything: Food, water, air quality, hormonal birth control and common medical treatments, and yes, vaccines too. Nothing is a "sacred cow" when people are dying increasingly earlier and earlier. It's too late when life expectancy drops to mid 50s while our kids are dying from OD (with increased drug use and mental health issues) with healthy ones foregoing having kids or having fertility issues.

We were talking about raw milk. You are changing the subject to distract. If you are concerned about mortality rates, why put an unsafe product on shelves?

RFK doesn’t care about health. He cares about discrediting legitimate medicine so that he and his backers can sell useless supplements to idiots.

I am asking you again, is raw milk doing to be mandatory? How does it concern you that people will be able to buy it legally any more than it concerns you that people can buy alcohol, tobacco, and even garbage high TCH content cannabis products?

The point is that if you are concerned about increasing mortality as RFK claims to be, how can you also support legalizing the sale of raw milk, which increases mortality? It’s inconsistent. How do you justify that inconsistency?

Still waiting for someone to explain this…

I am not a raw milk drinker, but open a history book. Pasteurization was a MASSIVE advancement in the history of human health -- actually listed as one of the big three of the 20th century. So many children died from the bacteria in milk...SO MANY...BUT, that's because our cold storage was trash, and milk would literally be rotting on doorsteps. Times have changed! The people selling raw milk are just...farmers selling milk from udder to glass, essentially. This is not any different that buying some beef at a farmers market that hasn't been pumped full of medicine. Dairy farmers all over the country milk a cow, then pour it into a glass for their kids. Are they bad parents? When you get that coveted reservation at Stone Barns and the chef serves you a dairy dish "straight from our artisanal cows out back" are you reporting them to the FDA?

You people hate Trump so much that you are blind to common sense. If some rich, crunchy mom wants to meet her farmer and buy his milk, let her.

It’s almost as if every agricultural milestone was meant just to bring more people with less nutrition. For example, cereals and grains are basically void of nutrition. Nonetheless, advances in irrigation, transportation, and storage, meant that humans could produce much more of them to feed society. The result is a larger population, but with nutritional deficiencies. The same is true for pasteurization. It allows the safe production to scale of dairy, but at a reduced nutritional value

There’s no evidence that pasteurization reduces nutritional value.

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Anonymous wrote:RFK is for vaccines if properly tested... silence

Big pharma has control over the Democrats... silence

RFK will Make America Healthy Again.... UGGHHH!

Vaccines are properly tested. That's what anti vax nitwits don't understand. Or they do understand it and refuse to believe it because the data show vaccines are overwhelmingly safe and effective. Vaccine are tested in clinical trials. They even publish the results publicly in peer reviewed journals.

So many idiots on the Internet can't understand it and will just say 'corruption!!!' when the trial data don't go their way.

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Anonymous wrote:RFK is for vaccines if properly tested... silence

Big pharma has control over the Democrats... silence

RFK will Make America Healthy Again.... UGGHHH!

No evidence that vaccines are not properly tested.

Big Pharma donates to both parties with impunity. Notice how it’s Republicans who are the chief opposition to Medicare negotiating for lower drug prices. They want the country to be forced to pay whatever price the companies set, without any pushback allowed.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m ok with RFK because I’m so tired of the arrogance of medical professionals telling me what to take, requiring doctors visits, etc. Stop telling me to not do ADHD or weight loss drugs because it’s weak. If there’s a medical reason to not do them, great. But many doctors are so judgmental.

Goddamn those scientists and doctors who know more about science and medicine than me! The Google and WebMD told me about how to treat my condition, therefore I know more than them.

Yes, stick it to all those “experts”

"Experts" in government are just hacks with various degrees. In an era of credentialism and open admit degree programs, those degrees mean less and less. Add in the revolving door of "experts" who cash-in in the private sector, and you have a recipe for pure corruption.

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Anonymous wrote:We would meltdown because this is insane. You are ok with kids dying from drinking raw milk?

Good God you people are hopelessly brainwashed. Humans have consumed "raw milk" for...hundreds of thousands of years.

Humans have also died from preventable, curable diseases for hundreds of thousands of years. Luckily now we have the technology to prevent this from happening. Have you ever taken antibiotics in your life?

RFK is anti-antibiotic now? Look, we had very different hygiene and sanitation standards and technology before. When you remove feces and other pollutants from water and food supply and introduce antibiotics most things that used to kill people in early age are rather manageable. But lets not forget that people are still dying TODAY at a young age and certainly in middle age from things like cancer, heart disease, genetic conditions, diabetes, etc. Cancer is on the rise, I actually don't know if our life expectancy will be any better than our ancestors in the dark ages pretty soon if we don't do something about it.

He is on the right track, everything is fair game to investigate why our chronic illness is on the rise as well as poorly managed and often incurable terminal illnesses. I mean everything: Food, water, air quality, hormonal birth control and common medical treatments, and yes, vaccines too. Nothing is a "sacred cow" when people are dying increasingly earlier and earlier. It's too late when life expectancy drops to mid 50s while our kids are dying from OD (with increased drug use and mental health issues) with healthy ones foregoing having kids or having fertility issues.

We were talking about raw milk. You are changing the subject to distract. If you are concerned about mortality rates, why put an unsafe product on shelves?

RFK doesn’t care about health. He cares about discrediting legitimate medicine so that he and his backers can sell useless supplements to idiots.

I am asking you again, is raw milk doing to be mandatory? How does it concern you that people will be able to buy it legally any more than it concerns you that people can buy alcohol, tobacco, and even garbage high TCH content cannabis products?

The point is that if you are concerned about increasing mortality as RFK claims to be, how can you also support legalizing the sale of raw milk, which increases mortality? It’s inconsistent. How do you justify that inconsistency?

Still waiting for someone to explain this…

I am not a raw milk drinker, but open a history book. Pasteurization was a MASSIVE advancement in the history of human health -- actually listed as one of the big three of the 20th century. So many children died from the bacteria in milk...SO MANY...BUT, that's because our cold storage was trash, and milk would literally be rotting on doorsteps. Times have changed! The people selling raw milk are just...farmers selling milk from udder to glass, essentially. This is not any different that buying some beef at a farmers market that hasn't been pumped full of medicine. Dairy farmers all over the country milk a cow, then pour it into a glass for their kids. Are they bad parents? When you get that coveted reservation at Stone Barns and the chef serves you a dairy dish "straight from our artisanal cows out back" are you reporting them to the FDA?

You people hate Trump so much that you are blind to common sense. If some rich, crunchy mom wants to meet her farmer and buy his milk, let her.

It is still LESS safe than pasteurized milk and has no demonstrated health benefit that offsets that risk as compared to pasteurized milk. Therefore, it does not make sense for a person who claims to be concerned about foods increasing mortality rates to insist that raw milk be easier to purchase. You still haven’t explained this.

Unless there’s some other explanation, the only conclusion is that RFK isn’t actually concerned about people being healthier. He’s concerned about making it easier to sell woowoo snake oil.

Honestly, if the idiots want raw milk, give them raw milk. It's like we have to re-live history all over again because people forgot what it was like living in a world before Louis Pasteur invented pasteurization. It doesn't matter to them that pasteurization is only mild heating and no chemicals or anything are added. They think it is 'unhealthy'.

Give them raw milk. Let their children suffer through horrible deaths when they contract severe e. Coli or salmonella infections. Give em what they want. They demand history lessons from 150 years ago, so give it to em.

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Anonymous wrote:We would meltdown because this is insane. You are ok with kids dying from drinking raw milk?

Good God you people are hopelessly brainwashed. Humans have consumed "raw milk" for...hundreds of thousands of years.

Humans have also died from preventable, curable diseases for hundreds of thousands of years. Luckily now we have the technology to prevent this from happening. Have you ever taken antibiotics in your life?

RFK is anti-antibiotic now? Look, we had very different hygiene and sanitation standards and technology before. When you remove feces and other pollutants from water and food supply and introduce antibiotics most things that used to kill people in early age are rather manageable. But lets not forget that people are still dying TODAY at a young age and certainly in middle age from things like cancer, heart disease, genetic conditions, diabetes, etc. Cancer is on the rise, I actually don't know if our life expectancy will be any better than our ancestors in the dark ages pretty soon if we don't do something about it.

He is on the right track, everything is fair game to investigate why our chronic illness is on the rise as well as poorly managed and often incurable terminal illnesses. I mean everything: Food, water, air quality, hormonal birth control and common medical treatments, and yes, vaccines too. Nothing is a "sacred cow" when people are dying increasingly earlier and earlier. It's too late when life expectancy drops to mid 50s while our kids are dying from OD (with increased drug use and mental health issues) with healthy ones foregoing having kids or having fertility issues.

We were talking about raw milk. You are changing the subject to distract. If you are concerned about mortality rates, why put an unsafe product on shelves?

RFK doesn’t care about health. He cares about discrediting legitimate medicine so that he and his backers can sell useless supplements to idiots.

I am asking you again, is raw milk doing to be mandatory? How does it concern you that people will be able to buy it legally any more than it concerns you that people can buy alcohol, tobacco, and even garbage high TCH content cannabis products?

The point is that if you are concerned about increasing mortality as RFK claims to be, how can you also support legalizing the sale of raw milk, which increases mortality? It’s inconsistent. How do you justify that inconsistency?

Still waiting for someone to explain this…

I am not a raw milk drinker, but open a history book. Pasteurization was a MASSIVE advancement in the history of human health -- actually listed as one of the big three of the 20th century. So many children died from the bacteria in milk...SO MANY...BUT, that's because our cold storage was trash, and milk would literally be rotting on doorsteps. Times have changed! The people selling raw milk are just...farmers selling milk from udder to glass, essentially. This is not any different that buying some beef at a farmers market that hasn't been pumped full of medicine. Dairy farmers all over the country milk a cow, then pour it into a glass for their kids. Are they bad parents? When you get that coveted reservation at Stone Barns and the chef serves you a dairy dish "straight from our artisanal cows out back" are you reporting them to the FDA?

You people hate Trump so much that you are blind to common sense. If some rich, crunchy mom wants to meet her farmer and buy his milk, let her.

It’s almost as if every agricultural milestone was meant just to bring more people with less nutrition. For example, cereals and grains are basically void of nutrition. Nonetheless, advances in irrigation, transportation, and storage, meant that humans could produce much more of them to feed society. The result is a larger population, but with nutritional deficiencies. The same is true for pasteurization. It allows the safe production to scale of dairy, but at a reduced nutritional value

There’s no evidence that pasteurization reduces nutritional value.

Again, not a raw milk drinker, but after 30 seconds of research, here is some evidence from NIH that shows it does reduce some nutrients and allergies, and increases others. Im sure there is plenty more. This is by no means an exhaustive study, as they outline, but...it's not nothing. And honestly, logically, its not at all surprising that when you superheat milk, it kills some of the bad AND good stuff in there.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22054181/

My question back to you is, do you have a problem with people who purchase beef that hasn't been pumped full of antibiotics and sprayed with chlorine? Or folks who don't care if their bagged romaine is "triple washed."? Technically, they do those things to prevent mortality, right? Raw milk isn't killing people any more than everything else we eat has the potential to kill us. If it's legalized, our mortality numbers won't budge. Because it's no different than any of the other locally sourced, minimally processed food that people adore.

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Anonymous wrote:RFK is for vaccines if properly tested... silence

Big pharma has control over the Democrats... silence

RFK will Make America Healthy Again.... UGGHHH!

Vaccines are properly tested. That's what anti vax nitwits don't understand. Or they do understand it and refuse to believe it because the data show vaccines are overwhelmingly safe and effective. Vaccine are tested in clinical trials. They even publish the results publicly in peer reviewed journals.

So many idiots on the Internet can't understand it and will just say 'corruption!!!' when the trial data don't go their way.

DP. What is considered "proper" is widely debated. Many of us skeptics would like vaccines to be tested against inert placebos, instead of using other vaccines as a "control." We also are inherently suspicious of the "vaccine court" and its impartiality.

Personally, I won't trust vaccines until we get a longitudinal study with the current vax schedule, an older vax schedule and an unvaccinated control group. I suspect vaccine utility peaked decades ago, but no one will touch this with a 10-foot pole.

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Anonymous wrote:We would meltdown because this is insane. You are ok with kids dying from drinking raw milk?

Good God you people are hopelessly brainwashed. Humans have consumed "raw milk" for...hundreds of thousands of years.

Humans have also died from preventable, curable diseases for hundreds of thousands of years. Luckily now we have the technology to prevent this from happening. Have you ever taken antibiotics in your life?

RFK is anti-antibiotic now? Look, we had very different hygiene and sanitation standards and technology before. When you remove feces and other pollutants from water and food supply and introduce antibiotics most things that used to kill people in early age are rather manageable. But lets not forget that people are still dying TODAY at a young age and certainly in middle age from things like cancer, heart disease, genetic conditions, diabetes, etc. Cancer is on the rise, I actually don't know if our life expectancy will be any better than our ancestors in the dark ages pretty soon if we don't do something about it.

He is on the right track, everything is fair game to investigate why our chronic illness is on the rise as well as poorly managed and often incurable terminal illnesses. I mean everything: Food, water, air quality, hormonal birth control and common medical treatments, and yes, vaccines too. Nothing is a "sacred cow" when people are dying increasingly earlier and earlier. It's too late when life expectancy drops to mid 50s while our kids are dying from OD (with increased drug use and mental health issues) with healthy ones foregoing having kids or having fertility issues.

We were talking about raw milk. You are changing the subject to distract. If you are concerned about mortality rates, why put an unsafe product on shelves?

RFK doesn’t care about health. He cares about discrediting legitimate medicine so that he and his backers can sell useless supplements to idiots.

I am asking you again, is raw milk doing to be mandatory? How does it concern you that people will be able to buy it legally any more than it concerns you that people can buy alcohol, tobacco, and even garbage high TCH content cannabis products?

The point is that if you are concerned about increasing mortality as RFK claims to be, how can you also support legalizing the sale of raw milk, which increases mortality? It’s inconsistent. How do you justify that inconsistency?

Still waiting for someone to explain this…

I am not a raw milk drinker, but open a history book. Pasteurization was a MASSIVE advancement in the history of human health -- actually listed as one of the big three of the 20th century. So many children died from the bacteria in milk...SO MANY...BUT, that's because our cold storage was trash, and milk would literally be rotting on doorsteps. Times have changed! The people selling raw milk are just...farmers selling milk from udder to glass, essentially. This is not any different that buying some beef at a farmers market that hasn't been pumped full of medicine. Dairy farmers all over the country milk a cow, then pour it into a glass for their kids. Are they bad parents? When you get that coveted reservation at Stone Barns and the chef serves you a dairy dish "straight from our artisanal cows out back" are you reporting them to the FDA?

You people hate Trump so much that you are blind to common sense. If some rich, crunchy mom wants to meet her farmer and buy his milk, let her.

It’s almost as if every agricultural milestone was meant just to bring more people with less nutrition. For example, cereals and grains are basically void of nutrition. Nonetheless, advances in irrigation, transportation, and storage, meant that humans could produce much more of them to feed society. The result is a larger population, but with nutritional deficiencies. The same is true for pasteurization. It allows the safe production to scale of dairy, but at a reduced nutritional value

There’s no evidence that pasteurization reduces nutritional value.

Raw milk has a positive gut microbiome effect. I don't consume raw milk personally in the US because US dairy production is shit (I do abroad), but it's been studied.

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Anonymous wrote:Americans are sicker and unhealthier than any other major country because we don't have universal health care, unlike every other major country.

Exactly.
Increase healthcare access, decrease work hours (encourage an hour break during work for exercise time), drastically improve funding for school lunches so they can provide quality foods, teach cooking in schools so people have that skill, and that can go a long way in improving health.

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Anonymous wrote:We would meltdown because this is insane. You are ok with kids dying from drinking raw milk?

Good God you people are hopelessly brainwashed. Humans have consumed "raw milk" for...hundreds of thousands of years.

Humans have also died from preventable, curable diseases for hundreds of thousands of years. Luckily now we have the technology to prevent this from happening. Have you ever taken antibiotics in your life?

RFK is anti-antibiotic now? Look, we had very different hygiene and sanitation standards and technology before. When you remove feces and other pollutants from water and food supply and introduce antibiotics most things that used to kill people in early age are rather manageable. But lets not forget that people are still dying TODAY at a young age and certainly in middle age from things like cancer, heart disease, genetic conditions, diabetes, etc. Cancer is on the rise, I actually don't know if our life expectancy will be any better than our ancestors in the dark ages pretty soon if we don't do something about it.

He is on the right track, everything is fair game to investigate why our chronic illness is on the rise as well as poorly managed and often incurable terminal illnesses. I mean everything: Food, water, air quality, hormonal birth control and common medical treatments, and yes, vaccines too. Nothing is a "sacred cow" when people are dying increasingly earlier and earlier. It's too late when life expectancy drops to mid 50s while our kids are dying from OD (with increased drug use and mental health issues) with healthy ones foregoing having kids or having fertility issues.

We were talking about raw milk. You are changing the subject to distract. If you are concerned about mortality rates, why put an unsafe product on shelves?

RFK doesn’t care about health. He cares about discrediting legitimate medicine so that he and his backers can sell useless supplements to idiots.

I am asking you again, is raw milk doing to be mandatory? How does it concern you that people will be able to buy it legally any more than it concerns you that people can buy alcohol, tobacco, and even garbage high TCH content cannabis products?

The point is that if you are concerned about increasing mortality as RFK claims to be, how can you also support legalizing the sale of raw milk, which increases mortality? It’s inconsistent. How do you justify that inconsistency?

Still waiting for someone to explain this…

I am not a raw milk drinker, but open a history book. Pasteurization was a MASSIVE advancement in the history of human health -- actually listed as one of the big three of the 20th century. So many children died from the bacteria in milk...SO MANY...BUT, that's because our cold storage was trash, and milk would literally be rotting on doorsteps. Times have changed! The people selling raw milk are just...farmers selling milk from udder to glass, essentially. This is not any different that buying some beef at a farmers market that hasn't been pumped full of medicine. Dairy farmers all over the country milk a cow, then pour it into a glass for their kids. Are they bad parents? When you get that coveted reservation at Stone Barns and the chef serves you a dairy dish "straight from our artisanal cows out back" are you reporting them to the FDA?

You people hate Trump so much that you are blind to common sense. If some rich, crunchy mom wants to meet her farmer and buy his milk, let her.

It’s almost as if every agricultural milestone was meant just to bring more people with less nutrition. For example, cereals and grains are basically void of nutrition. Nonetheless, advances in irrigation, transportation, and storage, meant that humans could produce much more of them to feed society. The result is a larger population, but with nutritional deficiencies. The same is true for pasteurization. It allows the safe production to scale of dairy, but at a reduced nutritional value

There’s no evidence that pasteurization reduces nutritional value.

Raw milk has a positive gut microbiome effect. I don't consume raw milk personally in the US because US dairy production is shit (I do abroad), but it's been studied.

You can help the microbiome with many things other than raw milk.

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Anonymous wrote:We would meltdown because this is insane. You are ok with kids dying from drinking raw milk?

Good God you people are hopelessly brainwashed. Humans have consumed "raw milk" for...hundreds of thousands of years.

Humans have also died from preventable, curable diseases for hundreds of thousands of years. Luckily now we have the technology to prevent this from happening. Have you ever taken antibiotics in your life?

RFK is anti-antibiotic now? Look, we had very different hygiene and sanitation standards and technology before. When you remove feces and other pollutants from water and food supply and introduce antibiotics most things that used to kill people in early age are rather manageable. But lets not forget that people are still dying TODAY at a young age and certainly in middle age from things like cancer, heart disease, genetic conditions, diabetes, etc. Cancer is on the rise, I actually don't know if our life expectancy will be any better than our ancestors in the dark ages pretty soon if we don't do something about it.

He is on the right track, everything is fair game to investigate why our chronic illness is on the rise as well as poorly managed and often incurable terminal illnesses. I mean everything: Food, water, air quality, hormonal birth control and common medical treatments, and yes, vaccines too. Nothing is a "sacred cow" when people are dying increasingly earlier and earlier. It's too late when life expectancy drops to mid 50s while our kids are dying from OD (with increased drug use and mental health issues) with healthy ones foregoing having kids or having fertility issues.

We were talking about raw milk. You are changing the subject to distract. If you are concerned about mortality rates, why put an unsafe product on shelves?

RFK doesn’t care about health. He cares about discrediting legitimate medicine so that he and his backers can sell useless supplements to idiots.

I am asking you again, is raw milk doing to be mandatory? How does it concern you that people will be able to buy it legally any more than it concerns you that people can buy alcohol, tobacco, and even garbage high TCH content cannabis products?

The point is that if you are concerned about increasing mortality as RFK claims to be, how can you also support legalizing the sale of raw milk, which increases mortality? It’s inconsistent. How do you justify that inconsistency?

Still waiting for someone to explain this…

I am not a raw milk drinker, but open a history book. Pasteurization was a MASSIVE advancement in the history of human health -- actually listed as one of the big three of the 20th century. So many children died from the bacteria in milk...SO MANY...BUT, that's because our cold storage was trash, and milk would literally be rotting on doorsteps. Times have changed! The people selling raw milk are just...farmers selling milk from udder to glass, essentially. This is not any different that buying some beef at a farmers market that hasn't been pumped full of medicine. Dairy farmers all over the country milk a cow, then pour it into a glass for their kids. Are they bad parents? When you get that coveted reservation at Stone Barns and the chef serves you a dairy dish "straight from our artisanal cows out back" are you reporting them to the FDA?

You people hate Trump so much that you are blind to common sense. If some rich, crunchy mom wants to meet her farmer and buy his milk, let her.

It’s almost as if every agricultural milestone was meant just to bring more people with less nutrition. For example, cereals and grains are basically void of nutrition. Nonetheless, advances in irrigation, transportation, and storage, meant that humans could produce much more of them to feed society. The result is a larger population, but with nutritional deficiencies. The same is true for pasteurization. It allows the safe production to scale of dairy, but at a reduced nutritional value

There’s no evidence that pasteurization reduces nutritional value.

Again, not a raw milk drinker, but after 30 seconds of research, here is some evidence from NIH that shows it does reduce some nutrients and allergies, and increases others. Im sure there is plenty more. This is by no means an exhaustive study, as they outline, but...it's not nothing. And honestly, logically, its not at all surprising that when you superheat milk, it kills some of the bad AND good stuff in there.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22054181/

My question back to you is, do you have a problem with people who purchase beef that hasn't been pumped full of antibiotics and sprayed with chlorine? Or folks who don't care if their bagged romaine is "triple washed."? Technically, they do those things to prevent mortality, right? Raw milk isn't killing people any more than everything else we eat has the potential to kill us. If it's legalized, our mortality numbers won't budge. Because it's no different than any of the other locally sourced, minimally processed food that people adore.

My question is why is someone who says we need to ban food that kills people advocating for the sale of a food that kills people.

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As a long time healthy volunteer at NIH and the VRC, vaccines only started full double blinded placedo testing in 2018 after RFK sued. Fun fact, the Covid phase 1 testing cut corners.

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Anonymous wrote:As a long time healthy volunteer at NIH and the VRC, vaccines only started full double blinded placedo testing in 2018 after RFK sued. Fun fact, the Covid phase 1 testing cut corners.

You have a link that shows this?