RFKjr Tapped to Head HHS

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Anonymous wrote:We would meltdown because this is insane. You are ok with kids dying from drinking raw milk?

Good God you people are hopelessly brainwashed. Humans have consumed "raw milk" for...hundreds of thousands of years.

Humans have also died from preventable, curable diseases for hundreds of thousands of years. Luckily now we have the technology to prevent this from happening. Have you ever taken antibiotics in your life?

RFK is anti-antibiotic now? Look, we had very different hygiene and sanitation standards and technology before. When you remove feces and other pollutants from water and food supply and introduce antibiotics most things that used to kill people in early age are rather manageable. But lets not forget that people are still dying TODAY at a young age and certainly in middle age from things like cancer, heart disease, genetic conditions, diabetes, etc. Cancer is on the rise, I actually don't know if our life expectancy will be any better than our ancestors in the dark ages pretty soon if we don't do something about it.

He is on the right track, everything is fair game to investigate why our chronic illness is on the rise as well as poorly managed and often incurable terminal illnesses. I mean everything: Food, water, air quality, hormonal birth control and common medical treatments, and yes, vaccines too. Nothing is a "sacred cow" when people are dying increasingly earlier and earlier. It's too late when life expectancy drops to mid 50s while our kids are dying from OD (with increased drug use and mental health issues) with healthy ones foregoing having kids or having fertility issues.

We were talking about raw milk. You are changing the subject to distract. If you are concerned about mortality rates, why put an unsafe product on shelves?

RFK doesn’t care about health. He cares about discrediting legitimate medicine so that he and his backers can sell useless supplements to idiots.

I am asking you again, is raw milk doing to be mandatory? How does it concern you that people will be able to buy it legally any more than it concerns you that people can buy alcohol, tobacco, and even garbage high TCH content cannabis products?

The point is that if you are concerned about increasing mortality as RFK claims to be, how can you also support legalizing the sale of raw milk, which increases mortality? It’s inconsistent. How do you justify that inconsistency?

Still waiting for someone to explain this…

I am not a raw milk drinker, but open a history book. Pasteurization was a MASSIVE advancement in the history of human health -- actually listed as one of the big three of the 20th century. So many children died from the bacteria in milk...SO MANY...BUT, that's because our cold storage was trash, and milk would literally be rotting on doorsteps. Times have changed! The people selling raw milk are just...farmers selling milk from udder to glass, essentially. This is not any different that buying some beef at a farmers market that hasn't been pumped full of medicine. Dairy farmers all over the country milk a cow, then pour it into a glass for their kids. Are they bad parents? When you get that coveted reservation at Stone Barns and the chef serves you a dairy dish "straight from our artisanal cows out back" are you reporting them to the FDA?

You people hate Trump so much that you are blind to common sense. If some rich, crunchy mom wants to meet her farmer and buy his milk, let her.

It’s almost as if every agricultural milestone was meant just to bring more people with less nutrition. For example, cereals and grains are basically void of nutrition. Nonetheless, advances in irrigation, transportation, and storage, meant that humans could produce much more of them to feed society. The result is a larger population, but with nutritional deficiencies. The same is true for pasteurization. It allows the safe production to scale of dairy, but at a reduced nutritional value

There’s no evidence that pasteurization reduces nutritional value.

Raw milk has a positive gut microbiome effect. I don't consume raw milk personally in the US because US dairy production is shit (I do abroad), but it's been studied.

You can help the microbiome with many things other than raw milk.

You can, but raw milk is not inherently terrible. It's potentially dangerous and a lot of that depends on where/how it is produced.

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If you don't understand the threat differential between consuming a whole, raw food like seared yellowfin or farm-fresh milk versus the macro argument RFK is making (again, I'm not a raw milk drinker or RFK acolyte) that the industrial food complex in this country is making people less healthy and over the long term, contributing to their deaths, then sure, ban all the food that might potentially kill someone. Let me know what you find to eat!

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Anonymous wrote:As a long time healthy volunteer at NIH and the VRC, vaccines only started full double blinded placedo testing in 2018 after RFK sued. Fun fact, the Covid phase 1 testing cut corners.

You have a link that shows this?

Does a researcher and nurse at the vrc who verbally told me they sped up the study count?

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Anonymous wrote:Great choice! He is someone who really cares and not doing this job for ego. I also like that Trump is willing to work with people outside the party.

RK has a good background and yes I'm glad Trump is willing to work with him.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m ok with RFK because I’m so tired of the arrogance of medical professionals telling me what to take, requiring doctors visits, etc. Stop telling me to not do ADHD or weight loss drugs because it’s weak. If there’s a medical reason to not do them, great. But many doctors are so judgmental.

Goddamn those scientists and doctors who know more about science and medicine than me! The Google and WebMD told me about how to treat my condition, therefore I know more than them.

Yes, stick it to all those “experts”

Experts are still people at the end of the day. They have biases, blindspots, and many are not nearly as intelligent as you might hope. Many are simply closed off to new information, hence the quote: "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it ..."

Then you have to factor in institutional capture and self interest...

Experts haven't exactly been covering themselves in glory of late. Why should we defer to them when it’s so easy to poke holes in their orthodoxy?

Experts have been doing just fine. The frequency of people disagreeing with them on the basis of no evidence has increased, though. This is because a certain person repeatedly sought to benefit himself politically by telling everyone not to trust those experts.

Trump told people to ignore all COVID safety measures so he wouldn’t be stuck with a bad economy in October 2020. Now his voters think they shouldn’t trust the vaccines that make you safer from COVID. It’s that simple.

The reason you all think ivermectin is a miracle cure for COVID is, again, because Trump wanted a way to keep people from staying inside so the economy didn’t sputter. Now you all take horse dewormer for the disease you also claim isn’t a big deal but was created by the Chinese military and Anthony Fauci.

But it’s the experts’ fault you don’t trust basic science.

Let's keep in mind that during Covid we shut down schools, churches, parks and gyms but kept liquor stores open on the recommendations of experts. That's just the tip of the iceberg of Covid absurdities from the experts btw.

Look, I agree that it wasn't perfect. It is wrong schools were shutdown while liquor and video game stores were open. I remember game stop finagling the system in order to remain open. But it was unprecedented times. You can't expect perfection during a catastrophic pandemic. Even the whole PPP loan handout had a lot of bad case study examples of where it was abused, but overall, the problem helped a ton. Issues like these are never binary and they're never all good or only all bad. Perfection cannot be the enemy of good.


It's also easier to sit there in hindsight and cast judgment on what should have been done so response was perfect. Much different story when we were actually in the trenches during the peak of a global pandemic.

Many of us were fighting this battle at the time, because it was as absurd then as it looks in hindsight. The experts were wrong on almost everything during Covid. The way we moved on from Covid is how we should have treated it from the beginning, and that is by treating it like the flu. Experts had to be fought tooth-and-nail at every step. They were downright harmful, and predictably so.

The only reason people carry water for them is because they've blocked this sordid episode out of their minds.

millions died daily, many more in red than blue states. Ask yourself why.

Because they were unhealthier to start with.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m ok with RFK because I’m so tired of the arrogance of medical professionals telling me what to take, requiring doctors visits, etc. Stop telling me to not do ADHD or weight loss drugs because it’s weak. If there’s a medical reason to not do them, great. But many doctors are so judgmental.

Goddamn those scientists and doctors who know more about science and medicine than me! The Google and WebMD told me about how to treat my condition, therefore I know more than them.

Yes, stick it to all those “experts”

Experts are still people at the end of the day. They have biases, blindspots, and many are not nearly as intelligent as you might hope. Many are simply closed off to new information, hence the quote: "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it ..."

Then you have to factor in institutional capture and self interest...

Experts haven't exactly been covering themselves in glory of late. Why should we defer to them when it’s so easy to poke holes in their orthodoxy?

Experts have been doing just fine. The frequency of people disagreeing with them on the basis of no evidence has increased, though. This is because a certain person repeatedly sought to benefit himself politically by telling everyone not to trust those experts.

Trump told people to ignore all COVID safety measures so he wouldn’t be stuck with a bad economy in October 2020. Now his voters think they shouldn’t trust the vaccines that make you safer from COVID. It’s that simple.

The reason you all think ivermectin is a miracle cure for COVID is, again, because Trump wanted a way to keep people from staying inside so the economy didn’t sputter. Now you all take horse dewormer for the disease you also claim isn’t a big deal but was created by the Chinese military and Anthony Fauci.

But it’s the experts’ fault you don’t trust basic science.

Let's keep in mind that during Covid we shut down schools, churches, parks and gyms but kept liquor stores open on the recommendations of experts. That's just the tip of the iceberg of Covid absurdities from the experts btw.

Look, I agree that it wasn't perfect. It is wrong schools were shutdown while liquor and video game stores were open. I remember game stop finagling the system in order to remain open. But it was unprecedented times. You can't expect perfection during a catastrophic pandemic. Even the whole PPP loan handout had a lot of bad case study examples of where it was abused, but overall, the problem helped a ton. Issues like these are never binary and they're never all good or only all bad. Perfection cannot be the enemy of good.


It's also easier to sit there in hindsight and cast judgment on what should have been done so response was perfect. Much different story when we were actually in the trenches during the peak of a global pandemic.

Many of us were fighting this battle at the time, because it was as absurd then as it looks in hindsight. The experts were wrong on almost everything during Covid. The way we moved on from Covid is how we should have treated it from the beginning, and that is by treating it like the flu. Experts had to be fought tooth-and-nail at every step. They were downright harmful, and predictably so.

The only reason people carry water for them is because they've blocked this sordid episode out of their minds.

The experts were not wrong on “almost everything.”

Yes, they were.

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Anonymous wrote:Per politico, jr going to MAHA! Another day, another meltdown from dcum.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/14/robert-f-kennedy-jr-trump-hhs-secretary-pick-00188617

Political stunt?: two controversial areas (Health, Intelligence) awarded to former Dems? When things go south, they plan to turn on Dems??

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Anonymous wrote:Americans are sicker and unhealthier than any other major country because we don't have universal health care, unlike every other major country.

Exactly.
Increase healthcare access, decrease work hours (encourage an hour break during work for exercise time), drastically improve funding for school lunches so they can provide quality foods, teach cooking in schools so people have that skill, and that can go a long way in improving health.

+grocery store accessibility, a lot of poor rural families living off dollar general

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Anonymous wrote:I’m ok with RFK because I’m so tired of the arrogance of medical professionals telling me what to take, requiring doctors visits, etc. Stop telling me to not do ADHD or weight loss drugs because it’s weak. If there’s a medical reason to not do them, great. But many doctors are so judgmental.

Goddamn those scientists and doctors who know more about science and medicine than me! The Google and WebMD told me about how to treat my condition, therefore I know more than them.

Yes, stick it to all those “experts”

"Experts" in government are just hacks with various degrees. In an era of credentialism and open admit degree programs, those degrees mean less and less. Add in the revolving door of "experts" who cash-in in the private sector, and you have a recipe for pure corruption.

NP - you think government scientists and physicians got their degrees through “open admit” degree program? Lol

+1 Exactly. However, PP probably believes whatever the mommy bloggers without any credentials tell them.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m ok with RFK because I’m so tired of the arrogance of medical professionals telling me what to take, requiring doctors visits, etc. Stop telling me to not do ADHD or weight loss drugs because it’s weak. If there’s a medical reason to not do them, great. But many doctors are so judgmental.

Goddamn those scientists and doctors who know more about science and medicine than me! The Google and WebMD told me about how to treat my condition, therefore I know more than them.

Yes, stick it to all those “experts”

Experts are still people at the end of the day. They have biases, blindspots, and many are not nearly as intelligent as you might hope. Many are simply closed off to new information, hence the quote: "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it ..."

Then you have to factor in institutional capture and self interest...

Experts haven't exactly been covering themselves in glory of late. Why should we defer to them when it’s so easy to poke holes in their orthodoxy?

Experts have been doing just fine. The frequency of people disagreeing with them on the basis of no evidence has increased, though. This is because a certain person repeatedly sought to benefit himself politically by telling everyone not to trust those experts.

Trump told people to ignore all COVID safety measures so he wouldn’t be stuck with a bad economy in October 2020. Now his voters think they shouldn’t trust the vaccines that make you safer from COVID. It’s that simple.

The reason you all think ivermectin is a miracle cure for COVID is, again, because Trump wanted a way to keep people from staying inside so the economy didn’t sputter. Now you all take horse dewormer for the disease you also claim isn’t a big deal but was created by the Chinese military and Anthony Fauci.

But it’s the experts’ fault you don’t trust basic science.

Let's keep in mind that during Covid we shut down schools, churches, parks and gyms but kept liquor stores open on the recommendations of experts. That's just the tip of the iceberg of Covid absurdities from the experts btw.

Look, I agree that it wasn't perfect. It is wrong schools were shutdown while liquor and video game stores were open. I remember game stop finagling the system in order to remain open. But it was unprecedented times. You can't expect perfection during a catastrophic pandemic. Even the whole PPP loan handout had a lot of bad case study examples of where it was abused, but overall, the problem helped a ton. Issues like these are never binary and they're never all good or only all bad. Perfection cannot be the enemy of good.


It's also easier to sit there in hindsight and cast judgment on what should have been done so response was perfect. Much different story when we were actually in the trenches during the peak of a global pandemic.

Many of us were fighting this battle at the time, because it was as absurd then as it looks in hindsight. The experts were wrong on almost everything during Covid. The way we moved on from Covid is how we should have treated it from the beginning, and that is by treating it like the flu. Experts had to be fought tooth-and-nail at every step. They were downright harmful, and predictably so.

The only reason people carry water for them is because they've blocked this sordid episode out of their minds.

millions died daily, many more in red than blue states. Ask yourself why.

Because they were unhealthier to start with.

If you live in some of these country small towns in the south to eat healthy you will have to cook for yourself. Everything is fried or fast food and there are minimal options for medical care. You won’t see a lot of gyms around either.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't wait until the stable geniuses at the helm realize issues like obesity are a much bigger problem they realize and that solutions are going to be highly unpalatable.

RFK: why can't people just eat healthy fresh foods? Are they stupid!??

Country: uhhh Mr. Kennedy, you realize most of us are poor and didn't grow up with a silver spoon in our mouths like you, sir. Fresh foods are extraordinarily more expensive than packaged processed foods.

RFK: ok, then we will make processed foods more expensive than healthier foods to change habits.

It'll be funny when they find out to make junk foods more expensive than good healthy stuff, they will need to significantly cut subsidies to farmers who are making way too much corn and soybeans, which are used to make processes junk at reduced costs. Somehow I think all of those red state reps and senators will get mad when they start proposing cutting farm subsidies to make junk foods more expensive.

Except they actually aren’t that expensive. Ground beef is maybe $5 per pound on average. A dozen eggs are conservatively $4 a dozen. Butter is cheap. A pound of ground beef, 4 eggs, 4 tablespoons of butter gets you 1700 “calories” (which are a stupid measure of energy) per day at a daily cost of under $7.50 per day, which is $225 per person ina. 30-day month.

It is expensive .

You don't know anyone poor. Numerous studies have been done on this. Junk food is overwhelmingly less expensive per calorie than healthy food.

Yes, let's eat ground beef omelettes everyday. Oh by the way, you stupidly forgot to account for any kind of fiber, vitamin A, C, D and a whole bunch of other essential minerals. You'd still be unhealthy on a ground beef, buffer, and egg diet, lol.

Pp you are replying to is smart enough for a cabinet position.

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Anonymous wrote:As a long time healthy volunteer at NIH and the VRC, vaccines only started full double blinded placedo testing in 2018 after RFK sued. Fun fact, the Covid phase 1 testing cut corners.

You have a link that shows this?

Does a researcher and nurse at the vrc who verbally told me they sped up the study count?

No

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Anonymous wrote:I’m ok with RFK because I’m so tired of the arrogance of medical professionals telling me what to take, requiring doctors visits, etc. Stop telling me to not do ADHD or weight loss drugs because it’s weak. If there’s a medical reason to not do them, great. But many doctors are so judgmental.

Goddamn those scientists and doctors who know more about science and medicine than me! The Google and WebMD told me about how to treat my condition, therefore I know more than them.

Yes, stick it to all those “experts”

Experts are still people at the end of the day. They have biases, blindspots, and many are not nearly as intelligent as you might hope. Many are simply closed off to new information, hence the quote: "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it ..."

Then you have to factor in institutional capture and self interest...

Experts haven't exactly been covering themselves in glory of late. Why should we defer to them when it’s so easy to poke holes in their orthodoxy?

Experts have been doing just fine. The frequency of people disagreeing with them on the basis of no evidence has increased, though. This is because a certain person repeatedly sought to benefit himself politically by telling everyone not to trust those experts.

Trump told people to ignore all COVID safety measures so he wouldn’t be stuck with a bad economy in October 2020. Now his voters think they shouldn’t trust the vaccines that make you safer from COVID. It’s that simple.

The reason you all think ivermectin is a miracle cure for COVID is, again, because Trump wanted a way to keep people from staying inside so the economy didn’t sputter. Now you all take horse dewormer for the disease you also claim isn’t a big deal but was created by the Chinese military and Anthony Fauci.

But it’s the experts’ fault you don’t trust basic science.

Let's keep in mind that during Covid we shut down schools, churches, parks and gyms but kept liquor stores open on the recommendations of experts. That's just the tip of the iceberg of Covid absurdities from the experts btw.

Look, I agree that it wasn't perfect. It is wrong schools were shutdown while liquor and video game stores were open. I remember game stop finagling the system in order to remain open. But it was unprecedented times. You can't expect perfection during a catastrophic pandemic. Even the whole PPP loan handout had a lot of bad case study examples of where it was abused, but overall, the problem helped a ton. Issues like these are never binary and they're never all good or only all bad. Perfection cannot be the enemy of good.


It's also easier to sit there in hindsight and cast judgment on what should have been done so response was perfect. Much different story when we were actually in the trenches during the peak of a global pandemic.

Many of us were fighting this battle at the time, because it was as absurd then as it looks in hindsight. The experts were wrong on almost everything during Covid. The way we moved on from Covid is how we should have treated it from the beginning, and that is by treating it like the flu. Experts had to be fought tooth-and-nail at every step. They were downright harmful, and predictably so.

The only reason people carry water for them is because they've blocked this sordid episode out of their minds.

millions died daily, many more in red than blue states. Ask yourself why.

Because they were unhealthier to start with.

….and we are right back to their diet of unhealthy food….

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In Europe people walk a ton, even the elderly. They think nothing of it.