DC United Academy - aa strong academy or not

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree with the poster about DCU’s limited development window. A more serious approach would cast a much wider net from younger ages, instead of basically just trying to form a regional all star team at U14. This approach also leads them to heavily focus on early developers, as they will tend to be the standout performers when they start scouting to form their U14 team.

Yes. Agree about all star teams and early developers. The problem is that these legacy clubs in the area that have the younger ages are making too much money to let go of their slice of the talent pool. They aren't going to give up that money easily and are fighting hard to stay relevant and keep parents paying those fees for football. To be very honest, that is the real battleground for DCU - prying kids away from the pay to play clubs at younger ages to lengthen the development pathway at DCU. But of course, they don't see that because this requires vision and investment in time and resources, something that DCU doesn't have for the academy. Shame because our area could pump out pros at a rapid clip if they were seriously identified and developed at young ages. The pay to pay clubs literally killed the development in our area because they are so focused on making cash. When these clubs started in the 80s and 90s they were hungry and had to develop players to differentiate themselves in the market. They could say we have or have produced the best players at a time when there wasn't much out there. Now, their only incentive is winning to bringing in more money. They say now, we have the best teams. But good teams don't sign pro deals. Individuals do. And pay to play systems aren't incentivized to develop the players. What this means for DCU is that they are pulling from a talent pool that hasn't been focused on their development as the priority. They have been focused on building good teams and if a few players develop individually as a byproduct (not the focus) then that's great. Imagine if it was set up where the kids start in a development system from day 1. DCU would have a much better player at 14 than they do now.

All that rambling and the other posts about dcu individual development problem because they start late at U14 is farm manure

Why, because using facts versus uninformed biased opinion, DC United Academy teams starts at U14, but many of their players start from U12 and U13 ages.

NICE, DCUA have many players that start at u12/U13?

Oh wait, better academies run development programs for younger kids starting at 6 and also run pre-academy teams younger than u12. But you need metrics and measurements. Got it.

sorry dude, but even if dcu started at u5, your kid still wouldn't have a chance

accept it like most of us

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:all these people with rec level kids and no true idea at what academy level soccer is, either here muchless international, arguing about what it takes to develop top levels is hilarious

youall need to quit and stay in your lanes

+10 (for Messi)

[Anonymous]

I'm curious to know, why doesn't DCU have a second team in MLS Next Pro? I know they partner with Loudoun, is it a money thing?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree with the poster about DCU’s limited development window. A more serious approach would cast a much wider net from younger ages, instead of basically just trying to form a regional all star team at U14. This approach also leads them to heavily focus on early developers, as they will tend to be the standout performers when they start scouting to form their U14 team.

Yes. Agree about all star teams and early developers. The problem is that these legacy clubs in the area that have the younger ages are making too much money to let go of their slice of the talent pool. They aren't going to give up that money easily and are fighting hard to stay relevant and keep parents paying those fees for football. To be very honest, that is the real battleground for DCU - prying kids away from the pay to play clubs at younger ages to lengthen the development pathway at DCU. But of course, they don't see that because this requires vision and investment in time and resources, something that DCU doesn't have for the academy. Shame because our area could pump out pros at a rapid clip if they were seriously identified and developed at young ages. The pay to pay clubs literally killed the development in our area because they are so focused on making cash. When these clubs started in the 80s and 90s they were hungry and had to develop players to differentiate themselves in the market. They could say we have or have produced the best players at a time when there wasn't much out there. Now, their only incentive is winning to bringing in more money. They say now, we have the best teams. But good teams don't sign pro deals. Individuals do. And pay to play systems aren't incentivized to develop the players. What this means for DCU is that they are pulling from a talent pool that hasn't been focused on their development as the priority. They have been focused on building good teams and if a few players develop individually as a byproduct (not the focus) then that's great. Imagine if it was set up where the kids start in a development system from day 1. DCU would have a much better player at 14 than they do now.

All that rambling and the other posts about dcu individual development problem because they start late at U14 is farm manure

Why, because using facts versus uninformed biased opinion, DC United Academy teams starts at U14, but many of their players start from U12 and U13 ages.

NICE, DCUA have many players that start at u12/U13?

Oh wait, better academies run development programs for younger kids starting at 6 and also run pre-academy teams younger than u12. But you need metrics and measurements. Got it.

sorry dude, but even if dcu started at u5, your kid still wouldn't have a chance

accept it like most of us

Where are the verifiable facts of this opinion? Provide metrics and measurements of why my DS can't make DCUA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree with the poster about DCU’s limited development window. A more serious approach would cast a much wider net from younger ages, instead of basically just trying to form a regional all star team at U14. This approach also leads them to heavily focus on early developers, as they will tend to be the standout performers when they start scouting to form their U14 team.

You may be right, but, can you explain in detail how, why an academy starting at U14 focuses on early developers but academies starting at U13 and U12 does not?

U9 is ideal. Not u13 or 12

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree with the poster about DCU’s limited development window. A more serious approach would cast a much wider net from younger ages, instead of basically just trying to form a regional all star team at U14. This approach also leads them to heavily focus on early developers, as they will tend to be the standout performers when they start scouting to form their U14 team.

Yes. Agree about all star teams and early developers. The problem is that these legacy clubs in the area that have the younger ages are making too much money to let go of their slice of the talent pool. They aren't going to give up that money easily and are fighting hard to stay relevant and keep parents paying those fees for football. To be very honest, that is the real battleground for DCU - prying kids away from the pay to play clubs at younger ages to lengthen the development pathway at DCU. But of course, they don't see that because this requires vision and investment in time and resources, something that DCU doesn't have for the academy. Shame because our area could pump out pros at a rapid clip if they were seriously identified and developed at young ages. The pay to pay clubs literally killed the development in our area because they are so focused on making cash. When these clubs started in the 80s and 90s they were hungry and had to develop players to differentiate themselves in the market. They could say we have or have produced the best players at a time when there wasn't much out there. Now, their only incentive is winning to bringing in more money. They say now, we have the best teams. But good teams don't sign pro deals. Individuals do. And pay to play systems aren't incentivized to develop the players. What this means for DCU is that they are pulling from a talent pool that hasn't been focused on their development as the priority. They have been focused on building good teams and if a few players develop individually as a byproduct (not the focus) then that's great. Imagine if it was set up where the kids start in a development system from day 1. DCU would have a much better player at 14 than they do now.

All that rambling and the other posts about dcu individual development problem because they start late at U14 is farm manure

Why, because using facts versus uninformed biased opinion, DC United Academy teams starts at U14, but many of their players start from U12 and U13 ages.

NICE, DCUA have many players that start at u12/U13?

Oh wait, better academies run development programs for younger kids starting at 6 and also run pre-academy teams younger than u12. But you need metrics and measurements. Got it.

sorry dude, but even if dcu started at u5, your kid still wouldn't have a chance

accept it like most of us

Where are the verifiable facts of this opinion? Provide metrics and measurements of why my DS can't make DCUA?

you'll never be happy worried about what others think
if your kid is good enough that should be good enough for you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious to know, why doesn't DCU have a second team in MLS Next Pro? I know they partner with Loudoun, is it a money thing?

Money, relationships, politics. Basically what DCU is about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree with the poster about DCU’s limited development window. A more serious approach would cast a much wider net from younger ages, instead of basically just trying to form a regional all star team at U14. This approach also leads them to heavily focus on early developers, as they will tend to be the standout performers when they start scouting to form their U14 team.

You may be right, but, can you explain in detail how, why an academy starting at U14 focuses on early developers but academies starting at U13 and U12 does not?

U9 is ideal. Not u13 or 12

Why is U9 ideal?
Please educate by being specific

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree with the poster about DCU’s limited development window. A more serious approach would cast a much wider net from younger ages, instead of basically just trying to form a regional all star team at U14. This approach also leads them to heavily focus on early developers, as they will tend to be the standout performers when they start scouting to form their U14 team.

You may be right, but, can you explain in detail how, why an academy starting at U14 focuses on early developers but academies starting at U13 and U12 does not?

U9 is ideal. Not u13 or 12

Why is U9 ideal?
Please educate by being specific

Verifiable facts here again! Unfortunately you've met your match in this thread. People won't go away like you want and you've proven you have nothing to say to defend your position. Have to educate you too I guess. Most academies around the world modeled themselves after Ajax. They were one of the first to really think strategically about a thorough academy system and how it could produce players both for the first team and for profit. It is one of the reasons why Barca hired Cruyff. Ajax brings in kids at around 7 years old. Why u9 is where most academies around the world start. But all of those academies are wrong I guess?? And if you say anything about whether Ajax is credible then you will have lost ALL credibility on this topic. I mean you already have but even more so!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree with the poster about DCU’s limited development window. A more serious approach would cast a much wider net from younger ages, instead of basically just trying to form a regional all star team at U14. This approach also leads them to heavily focus on early developers, as they will tend to be the standout performers when they start scouting to form their U14 team.

You may be right, but, can you explain in detail how, why an academy starting at U14 focuses on early developers but academies starting at U13 and U12 does not?

U9 is ideal. Not u13 or 12

Why is U9 ideal?
Please educate by being specific

Verifiable facts here again! Unfortunately you've met your match in this thread. People won't go away like you want and you've proven you have nothing to say to defend your position. Have to educate you too I guess. Most academies around the world modeled themselves after Ajax. They were one of the first to really think strategically about a thorough academy system and how it could produce players both for the first team and for profit. It is one of the reasons why Barca hired Cruyff. Ajax brings in kids at around 7 years old. Why u9 is where most academies around the world start. But all of those academies are wrong I guess?? And if you say anything about whether Ajax is credible then you will have lost ALL credibility on this topic. I mean you already have but even more so!

You said U9 was ideal
You were asked to explain why

Either you can or can't support your statement.
All the extracurricular stuff isn't required.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree with the poster about DCU’s limited development window. A more serious approach would cast a much wider net from younger ages, instead of basically just trying to form a regional all star team at U14. This approach also leads them to heavily focus on early developers, as they will tend to be the standout performers when they start scouting to form their U14 team.

You may be right, but, can you explain in detail how, why an academy starting at U14 focuses on early developers but academies starting at U13 and U12 does not?

U9 is ideal. Not u13 or 12

Why is U9 ideal?
Please educate by being specific

Verifiable facts here again! Unfortunately you've met your match in this thread. People won't go away like you want and you've proven you have nothing to say to defend your position. Have to educate you too I guess. Most academies around the world modeled themselves after Ajax. They were one of the first to really think strategically about a thorough academy system and how it could produce players both for the first team and for profit. It is one of the reasons why Barca hired Cruyff. Ajax brings in kids at around 7 years old. Why u9 is where most academies around the world start. But all of those academies are wrong I guess?? And if you say anything about whether Ajax is credible then you will have lost ALL credibility on this topic. I mean you already have but even more so!

I will help you.

If you had pointed to the current crop of world class and top league professionals then drew the correlation that shows the majority started at Category 1 academies at U8/U9, then that is measurable facts to collaborate your statement.

Like the England national team for example.
You're welcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree with the poster about DCU’s limited development window. A more serious approach would cast a much wider net from younger ages, instead of basically just trying to form a regional all star team at U14. This approach also leads them to heavily focus on early developers, as they will tend to be the standout performers when they start scouting to form their U14 team.

You may be right, but, can you explain in detail how, why an academy starting at U14 focuses on early developers but academies starting at U13 and U12 does not?

U9 is ideal. Not u13 or 12

Why is U9 ideal?
Please educate by being specific

Verifiable facts here again! Unfortunately you've met your match in this thread. People won't go away like you want and you've proven you have nothing to say to defend your position. Have to educate you too I guess. Most academies around the world modeled themselves after Ajax. They were one of the first to really think strategically about a thorough academy system and how it could produce players both for the first team and for profit. It is one of the reasons why Barca hired Cruyff. Ajax brings in kids at around 7 years old. Why u9 is where most academies around the world start. But all of those academies are wrong I guess?? And if you say anything about whether Ajax is credible then you will have lost ALL credibility on this topic. I mean you already have but even more so!

I will help you.

If you had pointed to the current crop of world class and top league professionals then drew the correlation that shows the majority started at Category 1 academies at U8/U9, then that is measurable facts to collaborate your statement.

Like the England national team for example.
You're welcome.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10702239/

For facts and verifiable evidence poster. Obviously, there is no one way to do it as this research says. But if you look at the data many of the best footballing countries are starting their players earlier than 10. Obviously some are not.
There is no one way.

From the abstract:
" In most established soccer nations in Europe and South-America, World Cup players started playing for professional soccer academies before the age of 12"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree with the poster about DCU’s limited development window. A more serious approach would cast a much wider net from younger ages, instead of basically just trying to form a regional all star team at U14. This approach also leads them to heavily focus on early developers, as they will tend to be the standout performers when they start scouting to form their U14 team.

You may be right, but, can you explain in detail how, why an academy starting at U14 focuses on early developers but academies starting at U13 and U12 does not?

U9 is ideal. Not u13 or 12

Why is U9 ideal?
Please educate by being specific

Verifiable facts here again! Unfortunately you've met your match in this thread. People won't go away like you want and you've proven you have nothing to say to defend your position. Have to educate you too I guess. Most academies around the world modeled themselves after Ajax. They were one of the first to really think strategically about a thorough academy system and how it could produce players both for the first team and for profit. It is one of the reasons why Barca hired Cruyff. Ajax brings in kids at around 7 years old. Why u9 is where most academies around the world start. But all of those academies are wrong I guess?? And if you say anything about whether Ajax is credible then you will have lost ALL credibility on this topic. I mean you already have but even more so!

I will help you.

If you had pointed to the current crop of world class and top league professionals then drew the correlation that shows the majority started at Category 1 academies at U8/U9, then that is measurable facts to collaborate your statement.

Like the England national team for example.
You're welcome.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10702239/

For facts and verifiable evidence poster. Obviously, there is no one way to do it as this research says. But if you look at the data many of the best footballing countries are starting their players earlier than 10. Obviously some are not.
There is no one way.

From the abstract:
" In most established soccer nations in Europe and South-America, World Cup players started playing for professional soccer academies before the age of 12"

Clearly help is not needed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree with the poster about DCU’s limited development window. A more serious approach would cast a much wider net from younger ages, instead of basically just trying to form a regional all star team at U14. This approach also leads them to heavily focus on early developers, as they will tend to be the standout performers when they start scouting to form their U14 team.

You may be right, but, can you explain in detail how, why an academy starting at U14 focuses on early developers but academies starting at U13 and U12 does not?

U9 is ideal. Not u13 or 12

Per the scientific article:

>>"The results reveal that World Cup Qatar 2022 players started playing for professional soccer academies at a median age of 13.2 years (range: 4.2–22.6). In Europe, players started playing for professional youth soccer organizations earlier than players on other continents [χ2 (4) = 142.0, p < 0.001]. We also found a younger starting age in forwards than goalkeepers"<<

[Anonymous]

How many MLS Academies have UEFA licenses and equivalent level coaches that specialize in youth development coaching U8 to U13?