DC United Academy - aa strong academy or not

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Anonymous wrote:What's with all the fake homegrown players wiki links?

Doesn't take a genius to figure out that for some reason, wiki breaks the link. You can click the "Did you mean: Homegrown Player Rule (MLS)?" with the big light bulb next to it.

Exactly. Just click the hyperlink on the page that says did you mean... Wikipedia breaks links all the time and that is what happened here.

Inter Miami founded their academy in 2020 (during covid so imagine how difficult that was) and between 2020 and 2024 they produced more than double the amount of homegrown players than DCU did in that same period. DCU has been running an academy for two decades. Inter Miami academy didn't even EXIST four years ago.

I'm not knowledgeable on this stuff.
What does homegrown player mean?
What happens to you if you're a homegrown player?

It just means they came up through their teams academy development program.

Who designates a player as homegrown?

If you come up through the clubs academy and sign a pro contract with them, you are a homegrown player. There's not an "entity" per se, that designates a player as homegrown.

I think anyone from the area can be designated homegrown even if they didn’t spend any or much time in the academy. For example, k fletcher

The rules say as little as one year with an academy and they can call you homegrown if they so choose.
So you can spend 8 years at FC Delco, one year at Philly Union and get designated Homegrown by Philly.
Everyone says 'a Philly developed product'

This is what bugs me. One year at DCU and they get a say where you go next if it doesn’t work out. I mean u don’t even have to be in the academy for them to put you on their protected list. That is, they can require other academies to pay a fee to allow your player to move to an academy in a different region.

I understand the rationale for this when the club has invested in their players for years but that is not how DCU “develops” at all.

Right, it's wild they can claim a player that's not even rostered. Players in the academy sure, I can understand. But putting kids on a protected list that never played for them seems wrong.

Strange MLS allows this
How is DCU the only club allowed to do this protected list thing?

It’s an MLS thing, all MLS clubs can do this. And similar complaints are made abt other clubs that don’t develop well either. Like minessota.

But i believe Sporting ks (I think) blocked a move by requesting transfer fees for a player that never played for them when they tried to move to a different club. I believe the player rejected an offer from sporting.

What are folks using as criteria to determine and make conclusions on how these clubs are developing players?
How do so many people (especially in this forum) have insider information on what's happening with each player every day at every academy?
Or we all just throwing around the word "development" because it sounds soccer knowledgeable?

😆 clearly they know more than you if you’re asking those type or questions.

It's easy to say you know more, which could be true
But it's also simple to show and prove you do when you have actual verifiable facts minus opinion

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Anonymous wrote:What's with all the fake homegrown players wiki links?

Doesn't take a genius to figure out that for some reason, wiki breaks the link. You can click the "Did you mean: Homegrown Player Rule (MLS)?" with the big light bulb next to it.

Exactly. Just click the hyperlink on the page that says did you mean... Wikipedia breaks links all the time and that is what happened here.

Inter Miami founded their academy in 2020 (during covid so imagine how difficult that was) and between 2020 and 2024 they produced more than double the amount of homegrown players than DCU did in that same period. DCU has been running an academy for two decades. Inter Miami academy didn't even EXIST four years ago.

I'm not knowledgeable on this stuff.
What does homegrown player mean?
What happens to you if you're a homegrown player?

It just means they came up through their teams academy development program.

Who designates a player as homegrown?

If you come up through the clubs academy and sign a pro contract with them, you are a homegrown player. There's not an "entity" per se, that designates a player as homegrown.

I think anyone from the area can be designated homegrown even if they didn’t spend any or much time in the academy. For example, k fletcher

The rules say as little as one year with an academy and they can call you homegrown if they so choose.
So you can spend 8 years at FC Delco, one year at Philly Union and get designated Homegrown by Philly.
Everyone says 'a Philly developed product'

This is what bugs me. One year at DCU and they get a say where you go next if it doesn’t work out. I mean u don’t even have to be in the academy for them to put you on their protected list. That is, they can require other academies to pay a fee to allow your player to move to an academy in a different region.

I understand the rationale for this when the club has invested in their players for years but that is not how DCU “develops” at all.

What's the difference between DCU and every academy in the country?

If you get to Inter Miami at U16 and leave at U18, you were developed there for 2 years, no?

The biggest difference between DCU and many of the better academies is that they have less teams and start their pathway later in a players career. Starting at u14 is too late in my opinion. Why many academies in Europe start with u9. Player development takes time and years to get right. With no grassroots system and defined player pipeline, DCU takes the best local kids that have been developed elsewhere and tries to mold them in a very short period of time. It's the reason why they aren't successful. DCU only has 4 teams. That's only four years to work with a player, who is already pretty far a long in their development when they arrive in the system. Couple that with a weak academy development system and a players chances of developing are slimmer. Of course if you go to inter Miami for two years they can claim they developed you for those years. And they should be able to. The issue is that MLS teams can claim rights to your player even if they have never spent one second in the academy system. That is just wrong.

Someone pointed out that Union, Red Bulls and FC Dallas have never won MLS

Why are they then successful and dc is not, based on your opinion?

Because this is an academy thread. We are talking about good academies. There is much more involved in winning the league.

But, red bulls, Union and Dallas academies have produced more pros from their academy than DCU and maybe because those homegrown are getting first team minutes that may be a reason why they aren't league contenders every year. The business model they have is to sell players they produce. DCU wants to win to gain revenue which means you need a more developed player sooner. They can't wait for it. Short term versus long term investors in talent. When you have a short term investor in talent it is hard to produce top players because they don't have enough time and management doesn't want to wait = DCU

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Anonymous wrote:Agree with the poster about DCU’s limited development window. A more serious approach would cast a much wider net from younger ages, instead of basically just trying to form a regional all star team at U14. This approach also leads them to heavily focus on early developers, as they will tend to be the standout performers when they start scouting to form their U14 team.

Yes. Agree about all star teams and early developers. The problem is that these legacy clubs in the area that have the younger ages are making too much money to let go of their slice of the talent pool. They aren't going to give up that money easily and are fighting hard to stay relevant and keep parents paying those fees for football. To be very honest, that is the real battleground for DCU - prying kids away from the pay to play clubs at younger ages to lengthen the development pathway at DCU. But of course, they don't see that because this requires vision and investment in time and resources, something that DCU doesn't have for the academy. Shame because our area could pump out pros at a rapid clip if they were seriously identified and developed at young ages. The pay to pay clubs literally killed the development in our area because they are so focused on making cash. When these clubs started in the 80s and 90s they were hungry and had to develop players to differentiate themselves in the market. They could say we have or have produced the best players at a time when there wasn't much out there. Now, their only incentive is winning to bringing in more money. They say now, we have the best teams. But good teams don't sign pro deals. Individuals do. And pay to play systems aren't incentivized to develop the players. What this means for DCU is that they are pulling from a talent pool that hasn't been focused on their development as the priority. They have been focused on building good teams and if a few players develop individually as a byproduct (not the focus) then that's great. Imagine if it was set up where the kids start in a development system from day 1. DCU would have a much better player at 14 than they do now.

All that rambling and the other posts about dcu individual development problem because they start late at U14 is farm manure

Why, because using facts versus uninformed biased opinion, DC United Academy teams starts at U14, but many of their players start from U12 and U13 ages.

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Anonymous wrote:What's with all the fake homegrown players wiki links?

Doesn't take a genius to figure out that for some reason, wiki breaks the link. You can click the "Did you mean: Homegrown Player Rule (MLS)?" with the big light bulb next to it.

Exactly. Just click the hyperlink on the page that says did you mean... Wikipedia breaks links all the time and that is what happened here.

Inter Miami founded their academy in 2020 (during covid so imagine how difficult that was) and between 2020 and 2024 they produced more than double the amount of homegrown players than DCU did in that same period. DCU has been running an academy for two decades. Inter Miami academy didn't even EXIST four years ago.

I'm not knowledgeable on this stuff.
What does homegrown player mean?
What happens to you if you're a homegrown player?

It just means they came up through their teams academy development program.

Who designates a player as homegrown?

If you come up through the clubs academy and sign a pro contract with them, you are a homegrown player. There's not an "entity" per se, that designates a player as homegrown.

I think anyone from the area can be designated homegrown even if they didn’t spend any or much time in the academy. For example, k fletcher

The rules say as little as one year with an academy and they can call you homegrown if they so choose.
So you can spend 8 years at FC Delco, one year at Philly Union and get designated Homegrown by Philly.
Everyone says 'a Philly developed product'

This is what bugs me. One year at DCU and they get a say where you go next if it doesn’t work out. I mean u don’t even have to be in the academy for them to put you on their protected list. That is, they can require other academies to pay a fee to allow your player to move to an academy in a different region.

I understand the rationale for this when the club has invested in their players for years but that is not how DCU “develops” at all.

What's the difference between DCU and every academy in the country?

If you get to Inter Miami at U16 and leave at U18, you were developed there for 2 years, no?

The biggest difference between DCU and many of the better academies is that they have less teams and start their pathway later in a players career. Starting at u14 is too late in my opinion. Why many academies in Europe start with u9. Player development takes time and years to get right. With no grassroots system and defined player pipeline, DCU takes the best local kids that have been developed elsewhere and tries to mold them in a very short period of time. It's the reason why they aren't successful. DCU only has 4 teams. That's only four years to work with a player, who is already pretty far a long in their development when they arrive in the system. Couple that with a weak academy development system and a players chances of developing are slimmer. Of course if you go to inter Miami for two years they can claim they developed you for those years. And they should be able to. The issue is that MLS teams can claim rights to your player even if they have never spent one second in the academy system. That is just wrong.

Someone pointed out that Union, Red Bulls and FC Dallas have never won MLS

Why are they then successful and dc is not, based on your opinion?

Because this is an academy thread. We are talking about good academies. There is much more involved in winning the league.

But, red bulls, Union and Dallas academies have produced more pros from their academy than DCU and maybe because those homegrown are getting first team minutes that may be a reason why they aren't league contenders every year. The business model they have is to sell players they produce. DCU wants to win to gain revenue which means you need a more developed player sooner. They can't wait for it. Short term versus long term investors in talent. When you have a short term investor in talent it is hard to produce top players because they don't have enough time and management doesn't want to wait = DCU

Opinion duly noted

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Anonymous wrote:What's with all the fake homegrown players wiki links?

Doesn't take a genius to figure out that for some reason, wiki breaks the link. You can click the "Did you mean: Homegrown Player Rule (MLS)?" with the big light bulb next to it.

Exactly. Just click the hyperlink on the page that says did you mean... Wikipedia breaks links all the time and that is what happened here.

Inter Miami founded their academy in 2020 (during covid so imagine how difficult that was) and between 2020 and 2024 they produced more than double the amount of homegrown players than DCU did in that same period. DCU has been running an academy for two decades. Inter Miami academy didn't even EXIST four years ago.

I'm not knowledgeable on this stuff.
What does homegrown player mean?
What happens to you if you're a homegrown player?

It just means they came up through their teams academy development program.

Who designates a player as homegrown?

If you come up through the clubs academy and sign a pro contract with them, you are a homegrown player. There's not an "entity" per se, that designates a player as homegrown.

I think anyone from the area can be designated homegrown even if they didn’t spend any or much time in the academy. For example, k fletcher

The rules say as little as one year with an academy and they can call you homegrown if they so choose.
So you can spend 8 years at FC Delco, one year at Philly Union and get designated Homegrown by Philly.
Everyone says 'a Philly developed product'

This is what bugs me. One year at DCU and they get a say where you go next if it doesn’t work out. I mean u don’t even have to be in the academy for them to put you on their protected list. That is, they can require other academies to pay a fee to allow your player to move to an academy in a different region.

I understand the rationale for this when the club has invested in their players for years but that is not how DCU “develops” at all.

Right, it's wild they can claim a player that's not even rostered. Players in the academy sure, I can understand. But putting kids on a protected list that never played for them seems wrong.

Strange MLS allows this
How is DCU the only club allowed to do this protected list thing?

It’s an MLS thing, all MLS clubs can do this. And similar complaints are made abt other clubs that don’t develop well either. Like minessota.

But i believe Sporting ks (I think) blocked a move by requesting transfer fees for a player that never played for them when they tried to move to a different club. I believe the player rejected an offer from sporting.

What are folks using as criteria to determine and make conclusions on how these clubs are developing players?
How do so many people (especially in this forum) have insider information on what's happening with each player every day at every academy?
Or we all just throwing around the word "development" because it sounds soccer knowledgeable?

😆 clearly they know more than you if you’re asking those type or questions.

It's easy to say you know more, which could be true
But it's also simple to show and prove you do when you have actual verifiable facts minus opinion

It’s been answered already. Simple enough to read the entire thread.

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Anonymous wrote:What's with all the fake homegrown players wiki links?

Doesn't take a genius to figure out that for some reason, wiki breaks the link. You can click the "Did you mean: Homegrown Player Rule (MLS)?" with the big light bulb next to it.

Exactly. Just click the hyperlink on the page that says did you mean... Wikipedia breaks links all the time and that is what happened here.

Inter Miami founded their academy in 2020 (during covid so imagine how difficult that was) and between 2020 and 2024 they produced more than double the amount of homegrown players than DCU did in that same period. DCU has been running an academy for two decades. Inter Miami academy didn't even EXIST four years ago.

I'm not knowledgeable on this stuff.
What does homegrown player mean?
What happens to you if you're a homegrown player?

It just means they came up through their teams academy development program.

Who designates a player as homegrown?

If you come up through the clubs academy and sign a pro contract with them, you are a homegrown player. There's not an "entity" per se, that designates a player as homegrown.

I think anyone from the area can be designated homegrown even if they didn’t spend any or much time in the academy. For example, k fletcher

The rules say as little as one year with an academy and they can call you homegrown if they so choose.
So you can spend 8 years at FC Delco, one year at Philly Union and get designated Homegrown by Philly.
Everyone says 'a Philly developed product'

This is what bugs me. One year at DCU and they get a say where you go next if it doesn’t work out. I mean u don’t even have to be in the academy for them to put you on their protected list. That is, they can require other academies to pay a fee to allow your player to move to an academy in a different region.

I understand the rationale for this when the club has invested in their players for years but that is not how DCU “develops” at all.

What's the difference between DCU and every academy in the country?

If you get to Inter Miami at U16 and leave at U18, you were developed there for 2 years, no?

The biggest difference between DCU and many of the better academies is that they have less teams and start their pathway later in a players career. Starting at u14 is too late in my opinion. Why many academies in Europe start with u9. Player development takes time and years to get right. With no grassroots system and defined player pipeline, DCU takes the best local kids that have been developed elsewhere and tries to mold them in a very short period of time. It's the reason why they aren't successful. DCU only has 4 teams. That's only four years to work with a player, who is already pretty far a long in their development when they arrive in the system. Couple that with a weak academy development system and a players chances of developing are slimmer. Of course if you go to inter Miami for two years they can claim they developed you for those years. And they should be able to. The issue is that MLS teams can claim rights to your player even if they have never spent one second in the academy system. That is just wrong.

Someone pointed out that Union, Red Bulls and FC Dallas have never won MLS

Why are they then successful and dc is not, based on your opinion?

Because this is an academy thread. We are talking about good academies. There is much more involved in winning the league.

But, red bulls, Union and Dallas academies have produced more pros from their academy than DCU and maybe because those homegrown are getting first team minutes that may be a reason why they aren't league contenders every year. The business model they have is to sell players they produce. DCU wants to win to gain revenue which means you need a more developed player sooner. They can't wait for it. Short term versus long term investors in talent. When you have a short term investor in talent it is hard to produce top players because they don't have enough time and management doesn't want to wait = DCU

Opinion duly noted

Troll noted

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Anonymous wrote:Agree with the poster about DCU’s limited development window. A more serious approach would cast a much wider net from younger ages, instead of basically just trying to form a regional all star team at U14. This approach also leads them to heavily focus on early developers, as they will tend to be the standout performers when they start scouting to form their U14 team.

Yes. Agree about all star teams and early developers. The problem is that these legacy clubs in the area that have the younger ages are making too much money to let go of their slice of the talent pool. They aren't going to give up that money easily and are fighting hard to stay relevant and keep parents paying those fees for football. To be very honest, that is the real battleground for DCU - prying kids away from the pay to play clubs at younger ages to lengthen the development pathway at DCU. But of course, they don't see that because this requires vision and investment in time and resources, something that DCU doesn't have for the academy. Shame because our area could pump out pros at a rapid clip if they were seriously identified and developed at young ages. The pay to pay clubs literally killed the development in our area because they are so focused on making cash. When these clubs started in the 80s and 90s they were hungry and had to develop players to differentiate themselves in the market. They could say we have or have produced the best players at a time when there wasn't much out there. Now, their only incentive is winning to bringing in more money. They say now, we have the best teams. But good teams don't sign pro deals. Individuals do. And pay to play systems aren't incentivized to develop the players. What this means for DCU is that they are pulling from a talent pool that hasn't been focused on their development as the priority. They have been focused on building good teams and if a few players develop individually as a byproduct (not the focus) then that's great. Imagine if it was set up where the kids start in a development system from day 1. DCU would have a much better player at 14 than they do now.

All that rambling and the other posts about dcu individual development problem because they start late at U14 is farm manure

Why, because using facts versus uninformed biased opinion, DC United Academy teams starts at U14, but many of their players start from U12 and U13 ages.

You’re the manure around here.

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I personally know all of the things posted here are true. Well, most. Bits and pieces heard from DCU families current and past. I also likely know who the vehemently pro-dcu academy poster is. I hope no one takes them seriously, most DCU past and present families are (eventually) knowledgeable and are making the best choices for their players and families.

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all these people with rec level kids and no true idea at what academy level soccer is, either here muchless international, arguing about what it takes to develop top levels is hilarious

youall need to quit and stay in your lanes

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Anonymous wrote:I personally know all of the things posted here are true. Well, most. Bits and pieces heard from DCU families current and past. I also likely know who the vehemently pro-dcu academy poster is. I hope no one takes them seriously, most DCU past and present families are (eventually) knowledgeable and are making the best choices for their players and families.

Anti people airing toxic personal grudges doesn't equal pro-dcu

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Anonymous wrote:I personally know all of the things posted here are true. Well, most. Bits and pieces heard from DCU families current and past. I also likely know who the vehemently pro-dcu academy poster is. I hope no one takes them seriously, most DCU past and present families are (eventually) knowledgeable and are making the best choices for their players and families.

Anti people airing toxic personal grudges doesn't equal pro-dcu

You’re entitled to your opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:all these people with rec level kids and no true idea at what academy level soccer is, either here muchless international, arguing about what it takes to develop top levels is hilarious

youall need to quit and stay in your lanes

There is zero interest in this thread except from those who have kids who are affected by it.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree with the poster about DCU’s limited development window. A more serious approach would cast a much wider net from younger ages, instead of basically just trying to form a regional all star team at U14. This approach also leads them to heavily focus on early developers, as they will tend to be the standout performers when they start scouting to form their U14 team.

Yes. Agree about all star teams and early developers. The problem is that these legacy clubs in the area that have the younger ages are making too much money to let go of their slice of the talent pool. They aren't going to give up that money easily and are fighting hard to stay relevant and keep parents paying those fees for football. To be very honest, that is the real battleground for DCU - prying kids away from the pay to play clubs at younger ages to lengthen the development pathway at DCU. But of course, they don't see that because this requires vision and investment in time and resources, something that DCU doesn't have for the academy. Shame because our area could pump out pros at a rapid clip if they were seriously identified and developed at young ages. The pay to pay clubs literally killed the development in our area because they are so focused on making cash. When these clubs started in the 80s and 90s they were hungry and had to develop players to differentiate themselves in the market. They could say we have or have produced the best players at a time when there wasn't much out there. Now, their only incentive is winning to bringing in more money. They say now, we have the best teams. But good teams don't sign pro deals. Individuals do. And pay to play systems aren't incentivized to develop the players. What this means for DCU is that they are pulling from a talent pool that hasn't been focused on their development as the priority. They have been focused on building good teams and if a few players develop individually as a byproduct (not the focus) then that's great. Imagine if it was set up where the kids start in a development system from day 1. DCU would have a much better player at 14 than they do now.

All that rambling and the other posts about dcu individual development problem because they start late at U14 is farm manure

Why, because using facts versus uninformed biased opinion, DC United Academy teams starts at U14, but many of their players start from U12 and U13 ages.

NICE, DCUA have many players that start at u12/U13?

Oh wait, better academies run development programs for younger kids starting at 6 and also run pre-academy teams younger than u12. But you need metrics and measurements. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree with the poster about DCU’s limited development window. A more serious approach would cast a much wider net from younger ages, instead of basically just trying to form a regional all star team at U14. This approach also leads them to heavily focus on early developers, as they will tend to be the standout performers when they start scouting to form their U14 team.

Yes. Agree about all star teams and early developers. The problem is that these legacy clubs in the area that have the younger ages are making too much money to let go of their slice of the talent pool. They aren't going to give up that money easily and are fighting hard to stay relevant and keep parents paying those fees for football. To be very honest, that is the real battleground for DCU - prying kids away from the pay to play clubs at younger ages to lengthen the development pathway at DCU. But of course, they don't see that because this requires vision and investment in time and resources, something that DCU doesn't have for the academy. Shame because our area could pump out pros at a rapid clip if they were seriously identified and developed at young ages. The pay to pay clubs literally killed the development in our area because they are so focused on making cash. When these clubs started in the 80s and 90s they were hungry and had to develop players to differentiate themselves in the market. They could say we have or have produced the best players at a time when there wasn't much out there. Now, their only incentive is winning to bringing in more money. They say now, we have the best teams. But good teams don't sign pro deals. Individuals do. And pay to play systems aren't incentivized to develop the players. What this means for DCU is that they are pulling from a talent pool that hasn't been focused on their development as the priority. They have been focused on building good teams and if a few players develop individually as a byproduct (not the focus) then that's great. Imagine if it was set up where the kids start in a development system from day 1. DCU would have a much better player at 14 than they do now.

All that rambling and the other posts about dcu individual development problem because they start late at U14 is farm manure

Why, because using facts versus uninformed biased opinion, DC United Academy teams starts at U14, but many of their players start from U12 and U13 ages.

NICE, DCUA have many players that start at u12/U13?

Oh wait, better academies run development programs for younger kids starting at 6 and also run pre-academy teams younger than u12. But you need metrics and measurements. Got it.

They closed the thread.
Have a good day.

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Anonymous wrote:I personally know all of the things posted here are true. Well, most. Bits and pieces heard from DCU families current and past. I also likely know who the vehemently pro-dcu academy poster is. I hope no one takes them seriously, most DCU past and present families are (eventually) knowledgeable and are making the best choices for their players and families.

Anti people airing toxic personal grudges doesn't equal pro-dcu

Opinion duly noted