Biden weighing whether to drop out

[Anonymous]

I think what happened was he was trying to say, I’m proud to have been the first vp of the first black president. But as soon as the words “vice president” were out of his mouth, his brain thought “Kamala is the first black vp and first woman vp” and it got all scrambled.

In any situation, he absolutely should not have nuclear codes let alone give a simple speech. But many of us have noticed his addled behavior for a few years now. Good to see others catching up.

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Anonymous wrote:I love Joe Biden and think he’s a great president, and I also trust him to do the right thing for the country, like he has always done. He’ll probably endorse Harris shortly. We can’t do this for weeks, we don’t have weeks, and unless he’s prepared to get out on the trail and work like a much younger man, he can’t recover from all of this. I expected a much more aggressive posture this week after the debate, didn’t get it. Maybe he knows he’s not up for it.

Because the dirty secret, which is obvious to people who aren't hardcore partisans, is that Joe Biden is not terribly bright and has a big ego. Second to last place in his law school class, he was a third rate senator from a safe seat who lucked into the VP slot because Obama wanted a court jester who'd always make him look good by comparison (never forget what Obama said about Biden). Biden has a long history of boastful lies and making up stories about himself and his accomplishments. He certainly has an ego. People who hunger for the throne don't make it without an ego. And once you have the power, it's devilishly hard to give it up. All the media talk about how he's as sharp as tack are blatantly lies as we now know.

Then add to it that his family must be terrified of the prospects of a Trump DOJ getting investigative powers.

I don't know what he will do or what the Democrats will do. But no one is coming out smelling of roses, either the party or Biden, and the election is pretty much lost now. You don't lie to the American public for years like this and get away with it.

You're not wrong, but your picture lacks perspective.

You're forgetting that we've had dumb and incompetent Presidents in the past, and that none of them have been as incompetent for the job, and habitual liars, like Trump. Bush Junior and Biden, the two most recent dummies, both tried their best. W. Bush made catastrophic mistakes in the Gulf, and US actions there are tantamount to war crimes. Biden has done less damage in the world, in terms of starting wars we can't stop that lead to decades of Jihad terrorism, than the Bushes. Trump is so mentally diseased that he cannot stop lying, and cannot understand that the job means putting the country before himself. He is so insecure that he has to continually aggrandize himself in the most cringeworthy and pathological way. Also, he can't read. His daily briefings were turned into color charts and graphs. He's the WORST President.

All this to say, Americans have a lot of hubris but their Presidents are often not all that. And yet they get elected!

Kamala Harris doesn't need to be the BEST. She's already way better than Bush, Biden and Carter. Maybe she's not the Obama you're looking for. But she'll do.

How is allowing everyone and their grandma into the country “trying”?

It's certainly less cruel, and more economically useful, than going into Iraq and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians, whose orphans "inexplicably" hate us and grow up to be terrorists.

The fewer deaths a President is responsible for, the better. A novel concept, perhaps, for you? Immigration is one of the reasons the US has done so much better, economically, than the rest of the world post-pandemic. My personal opinion is that it should be a controlled immigration, with a border wall and much more funding to process individuals and know where they go - not people's backyards in Texas would be a nice start.

This isn't a defense of Democratic immigration policy. I am pointing out that most US Presidents have made significant mistakes one way or another, and that you cannot suddenly hold the next one, just because she's not white and female, to impossible standards that previous ones did not meet.

Smacks of misogyny, that does. Which is sadly to be expected.

The way this administration has handled illegal immigration is NOT a plus to this country economically. At all. It is dragging us down.
And, killing our citizens.
And, Kamala as "border czar" has done absolutely squat.

I want to know when, exactly, Kamala knew that Joe isn't up for the job. Was it from the beginning? Or, a year ago?
She has been lying just like the rest of the Democrats. She cannot be trusted. And, this is yet another example.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is over. 100% Biden is dropping out.

No NO. The left points to a 30 year old democrat social influencer Kavian Shroff telling them on Huffington Post they should use AI to make videos of Joe Biden speaking perfectly "or the consequences could be dire".

Where do you get these people?

Yep, let's hijack the vote to remain in power by any means necessary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Biden will end his campaign next week. He'll name Harris as his heir apparent because she's the VP and there's no one else to tap. Unless Harris miraculously reinvents herself, she'll crash and burn -- no matter how much she's touted and puffed up. Trump wins in November.

Depressing.

+10000

I can’t even image a debate between Harris and Trump. What a disaster for Harris that would be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Biden will end his campaign next week. He'll name Harris as his heir apparent because she's the VP and there's no one else to tap. Unless Harris miraculously reinvents herself, she'll crash and burn -- no matter how much she's touted and puffed up. Trump wins in November.

Depressing.

+10000

I can’t even image a debate between Harris and Trump. What a disaster for Harris that would be.

Why? Trump is a terrible debater. He lies, rambles, and doesn't know anything. Don't confuse his debate "win" with his own performance.

[Anonymous]

It's nice to see the MAGAs come out of the woodwork trying to persuade us that Biden should stick around.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love Joe Biden and think he’s a great president, and I also trust him to do the right thing for the country, like he has always done. He’ll probably endorse Harris shortly. We can’t do this for weeks, we don’t have weeks, and unless he’s prepared to get out on the trail and work like a much younger man, he can’t recover from all of this. I expected a much more aggressive posture this week after the debate, didn’t get it. Maybe he knows he’s not up for it.

Because the dirty secret, which is obvious to people who aren't hardcore partisans, is that Joe Biden is not terribly bright and has a big ego. Second to last place in his law school class, he was a third rate senator from a safe seat who lucked into the VP slot because Obama wanted a court jester who'd always make him look good by comparison (never forget what Obama said about Biden). Biden has a long history of boastful lies and making up stories about himself and his accomplishments. He certainly has an ego. People who hunger for the throne don't make it without an ego. And once you have the power, it's devilishly hard to give it up. All the media talk about how he's as sharp as tack are blatantly lies as we now know.

Then add to it that his family must be terrified of the prospects of a Trump DOJ getting investigative powers.

I don't know what he will do or what the Democrats will do. But no one is coming out smelling of roses, either the party or Biden, and the election is pretty much lost now. You don't lie to the American public for years like this and get away with it.

You're not wrong, but your picture lacks perspective.

You're forgetting that we've had dumb and incompetent Presidents in the past, and that none of them have been as incompetent for the job, and habitual liars, like Trump. Bush Junior and Biden, the two most recent dummies, both tried their best. W. Bush made catastrophic mistakes in the Gulf, and US actions there are tantamount to war crimes. Biden has done less damage in the world, in terms of starting wars we can't stop that lead to decades of Jihad terrorism, than the Bushes. Trump is so mentally diseased that he cannot stop lying, and cannot understand that the job means putting the country before himself. He is so insecure that he has to continually aggrandize himself in the most cringeworthy and pathological way. Also, he can't read. His daily briefings were turned into color charts and graphs. He's the WORST President.

All this to say, Americans have a lot of hubris but their Presidents are often not all that. And yet they get elected!

Kamala Harris doesn't need to be the BEST. She's already way better than Bush, Biden and Carter. Maybe she's not the Obama you're looking for. But she'll do.

Nicely put. Harris will do just fine. More importantly, she can pull us out of the geriatric tailspin we’re in.

Rests on the flawed assumption that Harris can carry swing states in which Biden was already trailing Trump before the debate.

Swing states weren't going for Trump. They just weren't going for Biden.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love Joe Biden and think he’s a great president, and I also trust him to do the right thing for the country, like he has always done. He’ll probably endorse Harris shortly. We can’t do this for weeks, we don’t have weeks, and unless he’s prepared to get out on the trail and work like a much younger man, he can’t recover from all of this. I expected a much more aggressive posture this week after the debate, didn’t get it. Maybe he knows he’s not up for it.

Because the dirty secret, which is obvious to people who aren't hardcore partisans, is that Joe Biden is not terribly bright and has a big ego. Second to last place in his law school class, he was a third rate senator from a safe seat who lucked into the VP slot because Obama wanted a court jester who'd always make him look good by comparison (never forget what Obama said about Biden). Biden has a long history of boastful lies and making up stories about himself and his accomplishments. He certainly has an ego. People who hunger for the throne don't make it without an ego. And once you have the power, it's devilishly hard to give it up. All the media talk about how he's as sharp as tack are blatantly lies as we now know.

Then add to it that his family must be terrified of the prospects of a Trump DOJ getting investigative powers.

I don't know what he will do or what the Democrats will do. But no one is coming out smelling of roses, either the party or Biden, and the election is pretty much lost now. You don't lie to the American public for years like this and get away with it.

You're not wrong, but your picture lacks perspective.


You're forgetting that we've had dumb and incompetent Presidents in the past, and that none of them have been as incompetent for the job, and habitual liars, like Trump. Bush Junior and Biden, the two most recent dummies, both tried their best. W. Bush made catastrophic mistakes in the Gulf, and US actions there are tantamount to war crimes. Biden has done less damage in the world, in terms of starting wars we can't stop that lead to decades of Jihad terrorism, than the Bushes. Trump is so mentally diseased that he cannot stop lying, and cannot understand that the job means putting the country before himself. He is so insecure that he has to continually aggrandize himself in the most cringeworthy and pathological way. Also, he can't read. His daily briefings were turned into color charts and graphs. He's the WORST President.

All this to say, Americans have a lot of hubris but their Presidents are often not all that. And yet they get elected!

Kamala Harris doesn't need to be the BEST. She's already way better than Bush, Biden and Carter. Maybe she's not the Obama you're looking for. But she'll do.

Nicely put. Harris will do just fine. More importantly, she can pull us out of the geriatric tailspin we’re in.

Rests on the flawed assumption that Harris can carry swing states in which Biden was already trailing Trump before the debate.

Swing states weren't going for Trump. They just weren't going for Biden.

This is delusional coping. Trump has solid leads in most of the swing states. How do you define that as not going for Trump? You could make the argume that the last time they weren't going for Biden, they just weren't going for Trump.

[Anonymous]

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It's nice to see the MAGAs come out of the woodwork trying to persuade us that Biden should stick around.

My perspective is that if he isn't mentally fit to run again and needs to drop out, then he isn't mentally fit to remain in his position for 6 1/2 more months.

[Anonymous]

He nails it:

This morning, Jeh Johnson, the former Secretary of Homeland Security under Obama, went on MSNBC to make the case for Joe Biden to stay in the race.

"A presidency is more than just one man… I would take Joe Biden at his worst day at age 86 so long as he has people around him like Avril Haines, Samantha Power, Gina Raimondo supporting him, over Trump any day."

I’m sorry, but democracy doesn’t work that way. Americans elected Joe Biden, not Avril Haines, Samantha Power, and Gina Raimondo.

Sure: all presidents rely on unelected advisors. But at the end of the day, we expect that the person the majority voted for will make the decisions.

That’s clearly not the case with Biden. As we saw in the debate, he’s unable to speak clearly. And that means he’s unable to think clearly.

And Biden’s own aides admitted that Biden only has six good hours a day. What happens if Russia threatens nuclear war at two in the morning?

It’s fair to wonder if Biden’s incompetence is, to some extent, responsible for various disasters in his administration. If Biden’s mental capacity were 100% would he have allowed so many migrants to cross the border? So many that the border crisis threatens his presidency? Would he have approved such a chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan?

Where were Avril Haines, Sam Power, and Gina Raimondo when all of that was going down? Maybe they wanted those bad policies. Or maybe Biden didn’t understand what they were telling him. Or maybe there wasn’t time in his six-hour workday to think things through.

Or maybe everyone was too scared to tell Biden the bad news. Politico this morning reported that senior Biden administration officials go to “great lengths” to “avoid provoking a negative reaction” from Biden because he has such a short temper.

“It’s like, ‘You can’t include that, that will set him off,’” said one of them. “It’s a Rorschach test, not a briefing. Because he is not a pleasant person to be around when he’s being briefed. It’s very difficult, and people are scared shitless of him.”

In other words, what we saw at the debate wasn’t the worst of it. The worst of it is that Biden can’t or won’t deal with bad news. And what is being president of the United States if not dealing, day after day, hour after hour, with bad news?

There are definitely a lot of people urging Biden to step down. But what’s so disturbing is how they’re making the case based on his inability to defeat Trump, rather than on his ability to govern the country.

It’s time to get real. We’re talking about the guy who decides whether to fire off nuclear missiles. The guy who decided to sell Ukraine missiles that can hit Russia. The American people elected Biden to have that responsibility, not Avril Haines, Sam Power, and Gina Raimondo.

According to the latest polling, just one out of four Americans think Biden has the mental capacity to handle that responsibility. We are in a deeply surreal and dangerous moment.

Consider that the media reported that two days ago, Hunter Biden played a key role in convincing his father to stay in the race. Remember Hunter Biden? The guy who oversaw a vast influence peddling scheme for his dad while smoking crack and playing with guns? He’s who President Joe Biden is listening to?

Democrats are telling us we shouldn’t worry about that. The representatives of the deep state will take care of us. Who is Avril Haines? She’s the head of the Directorate for National Intelligence — our top spy chief. Who is Jeh Johnson? He’s the guy who created the basis for the Department of Homeland Security to demand censorship by social media platforms.

The Democratic Party is not democratic. It has been trying for years to incarcerate the main political opponent of the president of the United States. It oversaw the creation of a Censorship Industrial Complex. It weaponized the FBI and other intelligence agencies to spread disinformation about its enemies.

And the Democratic Party is now trying to get away with running for reelection a man who lacks the compos mentis required to do his job and is openly saying that the deep state will run things instead.

Jeh Johnson is right that a presidency is more than just one man. But it’s a role that depends entirely upon that one man. And in a democracy, we elect that man. The alternative is tyranny.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love Joe Biden and think he’s a great president, and I also trust him to do the right thing for the country, like he has always done. He’ll probably endorse Harris shortly. We can’t do this for weeks, we don’t have weeks, and unless he’s prepared to get out on the trail and work like a much younger man, he can’t recover from all of this. I expected a much more aggressive posture this week after the debate, didn’t get it. Maybe he knows he’s not up for it.

Because the dirty secret, which is obvious to people who aren't hardcore partisans, is that Joe Biden is not terribly bright and has a big ego. Second to last place in his law school class, he was a third rate senator from a safe seat who lucked into the VP slot because Obama wanted a court jester who'd always make him look good by comparison (never forget what Obama said about Biden). Biden has a long history of boastful lies and making up stories about himself and his accomplishments. He certainly has an ego. People who hunger for the throne don't make it without an ego. And once you have the power, it's devilishly hard to give it up. All the media talk about how he's as sharp as tack are blatantly lies as we now know.

Then add to it that his family must be terrified of the prospects of a Trump DOJ getting investigative powers.

I don't know what he will do or what the Democrats will do. But no one is coming out smelling of roses, either the party or Biden, and the election is pretty much lost now. You don't lie to the American public for years like this and get away with it.

You're not wrong, but your picture lacks perspective.


You're forgetting that we've had dumb and incompetent Presidents in the past, and that none of them have been as incompetent for the job, and habitual liars, like Trump. Bush Junior and Biden, the two most recent dummies, both tried their best. W. Bush made catastrophic mistakes in the Gulf, and US actions there are tantamount to war crimes. Biden has done less damage in the world, in terms of starting wars we can't stop that lead to decades of Jihad terrorism, than the Bushes. Trump is so mentally diseased that he cannot stop lying, and cannot understand that the job means putting the country before himself. He is so insecure that he has to continually aggrandize himself in the most cringeworthy and pathological way. Also, he can't read. His daily briefings were turned into color charts and graphs. He's the WORST President.

All this to say, Americans have a lot of hubris but their Presidents are often not all that. And yet they get elected!

Kamala Harris doesn't need to be the BEST. She's already way better than Bush, Biden and Carter. Maybe she's not the Obama you're looking for. But she'll do.

Nicely put. Harris will do just fine. More importantly, she can pull us out of the geriatric tailspin we’re in.

Rests on the flawed assumption that Harris can carry swing states in which Biden was already trailing Trump before the debate.

Swing states weren't going for Trump. They just weren't going for Biden.

This is delusional coping. Trump has solid leads in most of the swing states. How do you define that as not going for Trump? You could make the argume that the last time they weren't going for Biden, they just weren't going for Trump.

Trump continued to lose 15-20% of the vote to Haley months after she dropped out. She is now "barebones supporting" him (i.e., she's not out there pounding the table) to make sure she's positioned for 2028. The cope is thinking there is some overwhelming mandate to vote Trump into office. That doesn't exist.

[Anonymous]

There is no choice but for Biden to drop out. Ever since the debate, his health and mental deterioration IS the issue going forward. Every gaffe, every stumble, every brain melt will be highlighted and magnified by the media from here on out. By the end of the month, absolutely zero Americans will maintain the illusion that Biden is competent enough to serve as president for another four year term when he will be 86.

Biden will withdraw from the nomination this month after the RNC convention. He will release his delegates to vote as they see fit at the DNC convention. There are roughly 4700 delegates. They will select the next Democratic nominee. That gives potential candidates roughly a month to campaign to make their case. I suspect Harris, Whitmer, Newsom, J.B Pritzker, Josh Shapiro, and Any Beshear will step forward. They more than others all have plausible shots given the short time frame. Harris and Newsom would be the weakest choices, but they all are likely to defeat Trump and that's all that matters.

[Anonymous]

A whole month to convince the American people to vote for a presidential candidate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A whole month to convince the American people to vote for a presidential candidate?

Only the undecideds need convincing. And they mostly have already decided too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no choice but for Biden to drop out. Ever since the debate, his health and mental deterioration IS the issue going forward. Every gaffe, every stumble, every brain melt will be highlighted and magnified by the media from here on out. By the end of the month, absolutely zero Americans will maintain the illusion that Biden is competent enough to serve as president for another four year term when he will be 86.

Biden will withdraw from the nomination this month after the RNC convention. He will release his delegates to vote as they see fit at the DNC convention. There are roughly 4700 delegates. They will select the next Democratic nominee. That gives potential candidates roughly a month to campaign to make their case. I suspect Harris, Whitmer, Newsom, J.B Pritzker, Josh Shapiro, and Any Beshear will step forward. They more than others all have plausible shots given the short time frame. Harris and Newsom would be the weakest choices, but they all are likely to defeat Trump and that's all that matters.

More delusional coping. None will defeat Trump this year. The party that gaslighted and lied to the American public for *years* over Joe Biden's health and had a puppet government behind the curtains will not win this November. They cannot win this November.

None of the governors are jumping in. They know 2024 is a lost cause. The brand is damaged. 2028 is a clean fresh start. Harris will be the nominee and go down with the rats of the sinking ship that is the Biden Administration.