anyone know about the "Virginia Valor Fathers Day Fiesta" or the "FPYC Fathers Day Tournament"

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Anonymous wrote:The Valor event sounds like a disaster with bad rec teams playing all star teams, and older teams playing younger teams. That is a recipe for angry coaches, angry parents, angry kids, serious injuries, etc. If the pay is similar, save yourself the headache and do FPYC.

Get a grip. Who at Valor hurt you? Let me guess Tex mex food trucks are racist too!

Get a grip, who would choose those working conditions when they could just go down the road to the well-run tournament without all the drama and problems, for presumably the same pay? (Does anyone know the pay scales?)

Because there is no drama and problems for refs at "well run" tournaments. 😂😂😂. Good grief.
As someone methodically went through the teams, there is a real possibility that all of your perceived grievances are only yours and your kid clearly isn't involved so I do not understand why you keep harping on it.

you think every complaint and observation in this whole thread is one poster whose kid is not playing in the tournament? interesting. let me guess: all the posts talking UP Valor or defending this mess are all just different random happy parents? hmmm

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Anonymous wrote:Well for whatever it's worth,I ref just about all the assignors of the local tournaments and leagues (NCSL, most EDP games, ECNL, ECNL-R, Wags, Virginian, Hunt Country, Cannon Cup, Dulles Cup, etc etc) and I haven't seen one email circulate about the Valor Tournament. I have no idea who is assigning these games. I wouldn't even have known that the Valor Tournament existed if it wasn't for this forum so I have no idea what referee pool Valor is tapping into to get referees. So for me, the decision was pretty easy to ref at the FPYC tournament. All I know is that it isn't any of these assignors because they are looking for referees for ECNL, Super-Y, Adult games, etc etc. So good luck to Valor's assignor finding referees.

Its the assignor they use for their regular season games, he reached out to my daughter but she is working at FPYC b/c it just made common sense to avoid a sketchy event. Her worst experiences as a ref has been behavior at really uneven games and that sounds like this whole tournament. Pass.

Its a really small event with very few teams so maybe they are only hiring a handful of people.

No idea on the pay scale though sorry everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:The Valor event sounds like a disaster with bad rec teams playing all star teams, and older teams playing younger teams. That is a recipe for angry coaches, angry parents, angry kids, serious injuries, etc. If the pay is similar, save yourself the headache and do FPYC.

Get a grip. Who at Valor hurt you? Let me guess Tex mex food trucks are racist too!

Get a grip, who would choose those working conditions when they could just go down the road to the well-run tournament without all the drama and problems, for presumably the same pay? (Does anyone know the pay scales?)

Because there is no drama and problems for refs at "well run" tournaments. 😂😂😂. Good grief.
As someone methodically went through the teams, there is a real possibility that all of your perceived grievances are only yours and your kid clearly isn't involved so I do not understand why you keep harping on it.

This is clearly a loser coordinator coach that is looking forward to getting his garbage medal or trophy. After years and years of hoping and praying that his crap team would make it to the finals and win he will get his glory against a sad rec team. Congratulations loser! You did it! Woo-hoo!

(Different person checking in here ...)

Dude, chill! My goodness! Did someone from Valor throw a baseball through your window or something?

The two worst reffing experiences of my five-year career have been at the WAGS Tournament and the FPYC Tournament. Had nothing to do with the organizers. I felt they had my back, even though the two coaches I threw out at FPYC were both from FPYC.

Had everything to do with the coaches. A U-10 girls coach from Ohio who said her team plays tough, and if the Atlanta team can't take it, it's their fault. Two FPYC coaches who wouldn't listen to a simple explanation. (In retrospect, feigning deafness might have helped, but they deserved an early exit -- I frankly wouldn't want to see them coaching kids ever again.)

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Anonymous wrote:Well for whatever it's worth,I ref just about all the assignors of the local tournaments and leagues (NCSL, most EDP games, ECNL, ECNL-R, Wags, Virginian, Hunt Country, Cannon Cup, Dulles Cup, etc etc) and I haven't seen one email circulate about the Valor Tournament. I have no idea who is assigning these games. I wouldn't even have known that the Valor Tournament existed if it wasn't for this forum so I have no idea what referee pool Valor is tapping into to get referees. So for me, the decision was pretty easy to ref at the FPYC tournament. All I know is that it isn't any of these assignors because they are looking for referees for ECNL, Super-Y, Adult games, etc etc. So good luck to Valor's assignor finding referees.

Its the assignor they use for their regular season games, he reached out to my daughter but she is working at FPYC b/c it just made common sense to avoid a sketchy event. Her worst experiences as a ref has been behavior at really uneven games and that sounds like this whole tournament. Pass.

Its a really small event with very few teams so maybe they are only hiring a handful of people.

No idea on the pay scale though sorry everyone.

Same boat here. I don't recall seeing any info on this, and it looks like I'm in all the same assignor groups mentioned above. (Sharon, Tarey, Jesse and John. Good folks with tough jobs.)

I just looked up the assignor for the Valor Fiesta -- I don't recognize the name. Assignors will sometimes ask for help from elsewhere (I'm not officially in any sort of Loudoun group, but when they're looking for help for a big tournament, word reaches me through my other assignors or perhaps a shared mailing list I agreed to join years ago without even thinking about it), and I don't think this guy did that. Ah well.

They're making FPYC assignments today. Fingers crossed ...

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Anonymous wrote:The Valor event sounds like a disaster with bad rec teams playing all star teams, and older teams playing younger teams. That is a recipe for angry coaches, angry parents, angry kids, serious injuries, etc. If the pay is similar, save yourself the headache and do FPYC.

Get a grip. Who at Valor hurt you? Let me guess Tex mex food trucks are racist too!

Get a grip, who would choose those working conditions when they could just go down the road to the well-run tournament without all the drama and problems, for presumably the same pay? (Does anyone know the pay scales?)

Because there is no drama and problems for refs at "well run" tournaments. 😂😂😂. Good grief.
As someone methodically went through the teams, there is a real possibility that all of your perceived grievances are only yours and your kid clearly isn't involved so I do not understand why you keep harping on it.

This is clearly a loser coordinator coach that is looking forward to getting his garbage medal or trophy. After years and years of hoping and praying that his crap team would make it to the finals and win he will get his glory against a sad rec team. Congratulations loser! You did it! Woo-hoo!

(Different person checking in here ...)

Dude, chill! My goodness! Did someone from Valor throw a baseball through your window or something?

The two worst reffing experiences of my five-year career have been at the WAGS Tournament and the FPYC Tournament. Had nothing to do with the organizers. I felt they had my back, even though the two coaches I threw out at FPYC were both from FPYC.

Had everything to do with the coaches. A U-10 girls coach from Ohio who said her team plays tough, and if the Atlanta team can't take it, it's their fault. Two FPYC coaches who wouldn't listen to a simple explanation. (In retrospect, feigning deafness might have helped, but they deserved an early exit -- I frankly wouldn't want to see them coaching kids ever again.)

Why are you trying to police people's messages on this board? You seem to jump all over people that complain about this tournament (oh yeah you're a different person checking, sure). This thread is filled with pages and pages of how awful this tournament is and all of sudden you come in trying to be voice of reason for people to "chill out". Give me a break. You're clearly a troll associated with Valor or Valor's tournament. Go to the Valor thread and you will see over 100+ pages of travel parents trashing Valor. And this thread and a CYA thread combined have nearly 50+ pages combined of rec parents complaining about Valor's Tournament. So, with all due respect stop pretending you are some casual observer that got so offended by negative posts about Valor. EVERYONE (travel and rec) associated with Valor in any way think they are miserable. Instead of learning from their mistakes they just send out idiot trolls like you in the hopes of using propaganda to right their wrongs.

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+1 This!

We left Valor last year and now play for HYS and its a world of difference. Valor needs a major overhaul.

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The person who "methodically" went through the teams definitely confirmed that there is at least one for sure U16 SYA recreational team (age group which includes 8th graders) scheduled to play at least one U19 recreational team (age group which includes HS Seniors).

Its obvious on the schedule based on team names so clearly VALOR thinks that's just perfectly fine no problemo senorita. They have rosters with all the birthdates and chose to set up a schedule with seniors playing against 8th graders. Its a fact.

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Anonymous wrote:The person who "methodically" went through the teams definitely confirmed that there is at least one for sure U16 SYA recreational team (age group which includes 8th graders) scheduled to play at least one U19 recreational team (age group which includes HS Seniors).

Its obvious on the schedule based on team names so clearly VALOR thinks that's just perfectly fine no problemo senorita. They have rosters with all the birthdates and chose to set up a schedule with seniors playing against 8th graders. Its a fact.

8th graders playing high school seniors is a recipe for disaster in a contact sport. Lawsuit in the making. I pray no one gets hurt this weekend in this fiasco.

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Anonymous wrote:The person who "methodically" went through the teams definitely confirmed that there is at least one for sure U16 SYA recreational team (age group which includes 8th graders) scheduled to play at least one U19 recreational team (age group which includes HS Seniors).

Its obvious on the schedule based on team names so clearly VALOR thinks that's just perfectly fine no problemo senorita. They have rosters with all the birthdates and chose to set up a schedule with seniors playing against 8th graders. Its a fact.

8th graders playing high school seniors is a recipe for disaster in a contact sport. Lawsuit in the making. I pray no one gets hurt this weekend in this fiasco.

Its nuts. I wonder if they ran it by their liability insurance.

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Anonymous wrote:+1 This!

We left Valor last year and now play for HYS and its a world of difference. Valor needs a major overhaul.

Must be on the boys side.

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Anonymous wrote:The person who "methodically" went through the teams definitely confirmed that there is at least one for sure U16 SYA recreational team (age group which includes 8th graders) scheduled to play at least one U19 recreational team (age group which includes HS Seniors).

Its obvious on the schedule based on team names so clearly VALOR thinks that's just perfectly fine no problemo senorita. They have rosters with all the birthdates and chose to set up a schedule with seniors playing against 8th graders. Its a fact.

8th graders playing high school seniors is a recipe for disaster in a contact sport. Lawsuit in the making. I pray no one gets hurt this weekend in this fiasco.

Its nuts. I wonder if they ran it by their liability insurance.

It is incredibly nuts.

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Anonymous wrote:Our club, Sterling, does FPYC every spring and when my kids played in rec, they had a good time.

I would be pretty uncomfortable with that South of the Border theme personally. Many of our older rec players are Hispanic kids. If i was in charge, there is no way I would be comfortable opting in for a tournament with that theming. (Why do they need a kitchsy jokey theme? Can't "All Stars" be the theme? I agree with pp's kid-the vibe is that rec soccer is a joke with janky medals.)

I looked up their ad for it. Its certainly a Vibe. I can see a bunch of old white guys named Mike and Steve all wearing Adidas tracksuits sitting around a table somewhere brainstorming ways to scam money out of rec players and cackling with laughter over the "Mexican hat" theme. 'Its just rec! Its just for fun! Who cares? Let's get sombreros! Taco Tuesday!" Yukyukyuk.

Its too bad for the cya all star players who don't get to go to a decent tournament bc some greedy old guys want to make money off them. I know most of us do have that 'its just rec' feeling to a certain extent but the all star teams are usually the more serious rec players who maybe can't afford club.

The whole tournament will probably just be CYA teams playing each other for the coveted sombrero cup. Then some loser coach will act all high and mighty that they finally won a rec tournament and get a glass frame for the mexican hat cup and put it on display in their home office along with their boy scout badges from 1989.

Have all stars teams even been announced yet with player submissions and line-ups? Our group coordinator usually waits until the last minute to put the team together and coaches it with 1-2 practice sessions total for about a week before the tournament. Then everyone is shocked that our team usually loses and he makes up some conspiracy excuses as to why we lost.

Just curious how other all star teams do it. I hear that some leagues and coordinators actually form a team at the beginning to middle of the season and add an extra practice session per week leading up to the tournament.

Our rec team sends invites about 2 weeks before the tournament. They practice twice a week so get in 4 or 5 sessions before the tournament.

I wouldn't take the all star thing too seriously or worry about extra practices. It's just a fun thing at the end of the year that gets tacked on for a few kids that might get a medal (maybe even a sombrero medal

Are there coaches that take it too seriously and go nuts? Sure. We generally know who they are and they are the definitive mayor of loserville. Ignore them and try to have fun anyway if your DC is selected. Generally this is a meaningless tournament filled with a handful of kids (usually the coach or coordinators kid and his/her friends) just having snow cones and after a meaningless tournament.

Yikes, some of these kids try hard and feel.proud for being selected. This is a rude take.

+1 yes it seems a little quaint once your kid is playing at a much higher level but most of the kids participating on all star league tried out and made the team and want to compete and do well. its rude to act like its no big deal and give them some cheap hat or a snowcone.

Let’s be honest about these so called “tryouts” for all stars. We had a group coordinator who was also the all star coach. He was always the all star coach because as group coordinator he picks the coach. Shocker! Ultimately, the tryout was a fake sideshow to allow him to set the all star team with his DD and her friends. There were many more talented players in the league that he bypassed.

I don’t think the PP is trying to belittle all stars or the players but let’s not kid ourselves what it is. It’s not really like travel tournaments or travel tryouts. Those coaches are legit and their teams are assigned accordingly.

Or they’re 7 years old and this makes them feel proud because they’re 7. That’s it. If my DC made an “all star” and got to feel special for 3 games, then it’s worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:The Valor event sounds like a disaster with bad rec teams playing all star teams, and older teams playing younger teams. That is a recipe for angry coaches, angry parents, angry kids, serious injuries, etc. If the pay is similar, save yourself the headache and do FPYC.

Get a grip. Who at Valor hurt you? Let me guess Tex mex food trucks are racist too!

Get a grip, who would choose those working conditions when they could just go down the road to the well-run tournament without all the drama and problems, for presumably the same pay? (Does anyone know the pay scales?)

Because there is no drama and problems for refs at "well run" tournaments. 😂😂😂. Good grief.
As someone methodically went through the teams, there is a real possibility that all of your perceived grievances are only yours and your kid clearly isn't involved so I do not understand why you keep harping on it.

This is clearly a loser coordinator coach that is looking forward to getting his garbage medal or trophy. After years and years of hoping and praying that his crap team would make it to the finals and win he will get his glory against a sad rec team. Congratulations loser! You did it! Woo-hoo!

(Different person checking in here ...)

Dude, chill! My goodness! Did someone from Valor throw a baseball through your window or something?

The two worst reffing experiences of my five-year career have been at the WAGS Tournament and the FPYC Tournament. Had nothing to do with the organizers. I felt they had my back, even though the two coaches I threw out at FPYC were both from FPYC.

Had everything to do with the coaches. A U-10 girls coach from Ohio who said her team plays tough, and if the Atlanta team can't take it, it's their fault. Two FPYC coaches who wouldn't listen to a simple explanation. (In retrospect, feigning deafness might have helped, but they deserved an early exit -- I frankly wouldn't want to see them coaching kids ever again.)

Why are you trying to police people's messages on this board? You seem to jump all over people that complain about this tournament (oh yeah you're a different person checking, sure). This thread is filled with pages and pages of how awful this tournament is and all of sudden you come in trying to be voice of reason for people to "chill out". Give me a break. You're clearly a troll associated with Valor or Valor's tournament. Go to the Valor thread and you will see over 100+ pages of travel parents trashing Valor. And this thread and a CYA thread combined have nearly 50+ pages combined of rec parents complaining about Valor's Tournament. So, with all due respect stop pretending you are some casual observer that got so offended by negative posts about Valor. EVERYONE (travel and rec) associated with Valor in any way think they are miserable. Instead of learning from their mistakes they just send out idiot trolls like you in the hopes of using propaganda to right their wrongs.

You think there's only one person making these comments.

I know there's not, because I've only made a few of them. You can convince yourself of the lie, but you can't convince someone who knows the truth.

Deal with it.

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Anonymous wrote:Our club, Sterling, does FPYC every spring and when my kids played in rec, they had a good time.

I would be pretty uncomfortable with that South of the Border theme personally. Many of our older rec players are Hispanic kids. If i was in charge, there is no way I would be comfortable opting in for a tournament with that theming. (Why do they need a kitchsy jokey theme? Can't "All Stars" be the theme? I agree with pp's kid-the vibe is that rec soccer is a joke with janky medals.)

I looked up their ad for it. Its certainly a Vibe. I can see a bunch of old white guys named Mike and Steve all wearing Adidas tracksuits sitting around a table somewhere brainstorming ways to scam money out of rec players and cackling with laughter over the "Mexican hat" theme. 'Its just rec! Its just for fun! Who cares? Let's get sombreros! Taco Tuesday!" Yukyukyuk.

Its too bad for the cya all star players who don't get to go to a decent tournament bc some greedy old guys want to make money off them. I know most of us do have that 'its just rec' feeling to a certain extent but the all star teams are usually the more serious rec players who maybe can't afford club.

The whole tournament will probably just be CYA teams playing each other for the coveted sombrero cup. Then some loser coach will act all high and mighty that they finally won a rec tournament and get a glass frame for the mexican hat cup and put it on display in their home office along with their boy scout badges from 1989.

Have all stars teams even been announced yet with player submissions and line-ups? Our group coordinator usually waits until the last minute to put the team together and coaches it with 1-2 practice sessions total for about a week before the tournament. Then everyone is shocked that our team usually loses and he makes up some conspiracy excuses as to why we lost.

Just curious how other all star teams do it. I hear that some leagues and coordinators actually form a team at the beginning to middle of the season and add an extra practice session per week leading up to the tournament.

Our rec team sends invites about 2 weeks before the tournament. They practice twice a week so get in 4 or 5 sessions before the tournament.

I wouldn't take the all star thing too seriously or worry about extra practices. It's just a fun thing at the end of the year that gets tacked on for a few kids that might get a medal (maybe even a sombrero medal

Are there coaches that take it too seriously and go nuts? Sure. We generally know who they are and they are the definitive mayor of loserville. Ignore them and try to have fun anyway if your DC is selected. Generally this is a meaningless tournament filled with a handful of kids (usually the coach or coordinators kid and his/her friends) just having snow cones and after a meaningless tournament.

Yikes, some of these kids try hard and feel.proud for being selected. This is a rude take.

+1 yes it seems a little quaint once your kid is playing at a much higher level but most of the kids participating on all star league tried out and made the team and want to compete and do well. its rude to act like its no big deal and give them some cheap hat or a snowcone.

Let’s be honest about these so called “tryouts” for all stars. We had a group coordinator who was also the all star coach. He was always the all star coach because as group coordinator he picks the coach. Shocker! Ultimately, the tryout was a fake sideshow to allow him to set the all star team with his DD and her friends. There were many more talented players in the league that he bypassed.

I don’t think the PP is trying to belittle all stars or the players but let’s not kid ourselves what it is. It’s not really like travel tournaments or travel tryouts. Those coaches are legit and their teams are assigned accordingly.

Or they’re 7 years old and this makes them feel proud because they’re 7. That’s it. If my DC made an “all star” and got to feel special for 3 games, then it’s worth it.

This!!! One bracket of the whole tournament may have some old 8th graders playing against highschooler's and apparently that means everyone should boycott. The majority of the participants are young kids and volunteer parents that just want to play some more soccer with kids that want to be there.

I look forward to my kids team trying to not get destroyed by loudoun. And if they do we will still go out for ice cream after.

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Anonymous wrote:Our club, Sterling, does FPYC every spring and when my kids played in rec, they had a good time.

I would be pretty uncomfortable with that South of the Border theme personally. Many of our older rec players are Hispanic kids. If i was in charge, there is no way I would be comfortable opting in for a tournament with that theming. (Why do they need a kitchsy jokey theme? Can't "All Stars" be the theme? I agree with pp's kid-the vibe is that rec soccer is a joke with janky medals.)

I looked up their ad for it. Its certainly a Vibe. I can see a bunch of old white guys named Mike and Steve all wearing Adidas tracksuits sitting around a table somewhere brainstorming ways to scam money out of rec players and cackling with laughter over the "Mexican hat" theme. 'Its just rec! Its just for fun! Who cares? Let's get sombreros! Taco Tuesday!" Yukyukyuk.

Its too bad for the cya all star players who don't get to go to a decent tournament bc some greedy old guys want to make money off them. I know most of us do have that 'its just rec' feeling to a certain extent but the all star teams are usually the more serious rec players who maybe can't afford club.

The whole tournament will probably just be CYA teams playing each other for the coveted sombrero cup. Then some loser coach will act all high and mighty that they finally won a rec tournament and get a glass frame for the mexican hat cup and put it on display in their home office along with their boy scout badges from 1989.

Have all stars teams even been announced yet with player submissions and line-ups? Our group coordinator usually waits until the last minute to put the team together and coaches it with 1-2 practice sessions total for about a week before the tournament. Then everyone is shocked that our team usually loses and he makes up some conspiracy excuses as to why we lost.

Just curious how other all star teams do it. I hear that some leagues and coordinators actually form a team at the beginning to middle of the season and add an extra practice session per week leading up to the tournament.

Our rec team sends invites about 2 weeks before the tournament. They practice twice a week so get in 4 or 5 sessions before the tournament.

I wouldn't take the all star thing too seriously or worry about extra practices. It's just a fun thing at the end of the year that gets tacked on for a few kids that might get a medal (maybe even a sombrero medal

Are there coaches that take it too seriously and go nuts? Sure. We generally know who they are and they are the definitive mayor of loserville. Ignore them and try to have fun anyway if your DC is selected. Generally this is a meaningless tournament filled with a handful of kids (usually the coach or coordinators kid and his/her friends) just having snow cones and after a meaningless tournament.

Yikes, some of these kids try hard and feel.proud for being selected. This is a rude take.

+1 yes it seems a little quaint once your kid is playing at a much higher level but most of the kids participating on all star league tried out and made the team and want to compete and do well. its rude to act like its no big deal and give them some cheap hat or a snowcone.

Let’s be honest about these so called “tryouts” for all stars. We had a group coordinator who was also the all star coach. He was always the all star coach because as group coordinator he picks the coach. Shocker! Ultimately, the tryout was a fake sideshow to allow him to set the all star team with his DD and her friends. There were many more talented players in the league that he bypassed.

I don’t think the PP is trying to belittle all stars or the players but let’s not kid ourselves what it is. It’s not really like travel tournaments or travel tryouts. Those coaches are legit and their teams are assigned accordingly.

Or they’re 7 years old and this makes them feel proud because they’re 7. That’s it. If my DC made an “all star” and got to feel special for 3 games, then it’s worth it.

This!!! One bracket of the whole tournament may have some old 8th graders playing against highschooler's and apparently that means everyone should boycott. The majority of the participants are young kids and volunteer parents that just want to play some more soccer with kids that want to be there.

I look forward to my kids team trying to not get destroyed by loudoun. And if they do we will still go out for ice cream after.

Nice job replying to your own message. Your last 3 pro-Valor posts are within 5 minutes of each other Karen. Also 7 year olds don’t do all stars. Nice attempt to elicit sympathy. And Loudoun will kick your ass assuming you coach CYA. If you’re SYA then you might have a chance and I wish you luck. But by the tone of your 3 messages I’m assuming you’re a CYA parent.