anyone know about the "Virginia Valor Fathers Day Fiesta" or the "FPYC Fathers Day Tournament"

[Anonymous]

Do they pay similar to travel tournaments or try to lowball since its rec?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do they pay similar to travel tournaments or try to lowball since its rec?

I'm not at the level in question, but I've actually heard a LOT of complaints in referee forums about pay and other issues in MLS Next.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do they pay similar to travel tournaments or try to lowball since its rec?

I'm not at the level in question, but I've actually heard a LOT of complaints in referee forums about pay and other issues in MLS Next.

During the regular season, the SFL rec games paid a lot less than the same age travel games for my kid who worked for the same assignor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do they pay similar to travel tournaments or try to lowball since its rec?

I'm not at the level in question, but I've actually heard a LOT of complaints in referee forums about pay and other issues in MLS Next.

Can you share the links to these referee forums? I'd like to follow along.

PS: The pay scales for the FPYC's Father's Day Tournament hasn't been released yet, but in my experience, I bet it will be similar to some travel tournaments...and most travel tournaments pay much lower than league games and each tournament pays differently. It's really crazy. For example, I think WAGS pays the worst. This rec tournament will probably pay the same as WAGS. And each league has different pay scales. Every 2-year age grouping has different pay scales. Center referee and ARs are paid differently. Some tournaments and some leagues use 3-man crews for U12 and lower. Some use only one-man crews. And for tournaments, most assignors want you to commit to refereeing BEFORE they even post the pay scales. So it's not easy to sift through all the games out there and determine what's the best value for your time, etc.

[Anonymous]

I don't know why anyone would commit before knowing the pay scale. For instance, FPYC tournament and Valor event are directly competing and right next to each other. Any reasonable person would want to compare the pay scales for both before committing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do they pay similar to travel tournaments or try to lowball since its rec?

I'm not at the level in question, but I've actually heard a LOT of complaints in referee forums about pay and other issues in MLS Next.

Can you share the links to these referee forums? I'd like to follow along.

PS: The pay scales for the FPYC's Father's Day Tournament hasn't been released yet, but in my experience, I bet it will be similar to some travel tournaments...and most travel tournaments pay much lower than league games and each tournament pays differently. It's really crazy. For example, I think WAGS pays the worst. This rec tournament will probably pay the same as WAGS. And each league has different pay scales. Every 2-year age grouping has different pay scales. Center referee and ARs are paid differently. Some tournaments and some leagues use 3-man crews for U12 and lower. Some use only one-man crews. And for tournaments, most assignors want you to commit to refereeing BEFORE they even post the pay scales. So it's not easy to sift through all the games out there and determine what's the best value for your time, etc.

Basically BigSoccer and Reddit.

WAGS should have combat pay. The coaches and parents are completely out of control.

It always blew my mind that ODSL had three-man crews at lower age groups while NCSL had parents running the lines. Reffing U11 and U12 games solo is the worst. The parents are right there on the sidelines with a much better view of possession and offside calls than we can possibly have, so they lose confidence in us right off the bat.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why anyone would commit before knowing the pay scale. For instance, FPYC tournament and Valor event are directly competing and right next to each other. Any reasonable person would want to compare the pay scales for both before committing.

Location matters more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why anyone would commit before knowing the pay scale. For instance, FPYC tournament and Valor event are directly competing and right next to each other. Any reasonable person would want to compare the pay scales for both before committing.

Location matters more.

The locations are basically the same if you are local. Reston vs. Chantilly, etc.

[Anonymous]

The Valor event sounds like a disaster with bad rec teams playing all star teams, and older teams playing younger teams. That is a recipe for angry coaches, angry parents, angry kids, serious injuries, etc. If the pay is similar, save yourself the headache and do FPYC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Valor event sounds like a disaster with bad rec teams playing all star teams, and older teams playing younger teams. That is a recipe for angry coaches, angry parents, angry kids, serious injuries, etc. If the pay is similar, save yourself the headache and do FPYC.

I think this is good advice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Valor event sounds like a disaster with bad rec teams playing all star teams, and older teams playing younger teams. That is a recipe for angry coaches, angry parents, angry kids, serious injuries, etc. If the pay is similar, save yourself the headache and do FPYC.

Get a grip. Who at Valor hurt you? Let me guess Tex mex food trucks are racist too!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Valor event sounds like a disaster with bad rec teams playing all star teams, and older teams playing younger teams. That is a recipe for angry coaches, angry parents, angry kids, serious injuries, etc. If the pay is similar, save yourself the headache and do FPYC.

Get a grip. Who at Valor hurt you? Let me guess Tex mex food trucks are racist too!

Get a grip, who would choose those working conditions when they could just go down the road to the well-run tournament without all the drama and problems, for presumably the same pay? (Does anyone know the pay scales?)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Valor event sounds like a disaster with bad rec teams playing all star teams, and older teams playing younger teams. That is a recipe for angry coaches, angry parents, angry kids, serious injuries, etc. If the pay is similar, save yourself the headache and do FPYC.

Get a grip. Who at Valor hurt you? Let me guess Tex mex food trucks are racist too!

Get a grip, who would choose those working conditions when they could just go down the road to the well-run tournament without all the drama and problems, for presumably the same pay? (Does anyone know the pay scales?)

Because there is no drama and problems for refs at "well run" tournaments. 😂😂😂. Good grief.
As someone methodically went through the teams, there is a real possibility that all of your perceived grievances are only yours and your kid clearly isn't involved so I do not understand why you keep harping on it.

[Anonymous]

Well for whatever it's worth,I ref just about all the assignors of the local tournaments and leagues (NCSL, most EDP games, ECNL, ECNL-R, Wags, Virginian, Hunt Country, Cannon Cup, Dulles Cup, etc etc) and I haven't seen one email circulate about the Valor Tournament. I have no idea who is assigning these games. I wouldn't even have known that the Valor Tournament existed if it wasn't for this forum so I have no idea what referee pool Valor is tapping into to get referees. So for me, the decision was pretty easy to ref at the FPYC tournament. All I know is that it isn't any of these assignors because they are looking for referees for ECNL, Super-Y, Adult games, etc etc. So good luck to Valor's assignor finding referees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Valor event sounds like a disaster with bad rec teams playing all star teams, and older teams playing younger teams. That is a recipe for angry coaches, angry parents, angry kids, serious injuries, etc. If the pay is similar, save yourself the headache and do FPYC.

Get a grip. Who at Valor hurt you? Let me guess Tex mex food trucks are racist too!

Get a grip, who would choose those working conditions when they could just go down the road to the well-run tournament without all the drama and problems, for presumably the same pay? (Does anyone know the pay scales?)

Because there is no drama and problems for refs at "well run" tournaments. 😂😂😂. Good grief.
As someone methodically went through the teams, there is a real possibility that all of your perceived grievances are only yours and your kid clearly isn't involved so I do not understand why you keep harping on it.

This is clearly a loser coordinator coach that is looking forward to getting his garbage medal or trophy. After years and years of hoping and praying that his crap team would make it to the finals and win he will get his glory against a sad rec team. Congratulations loser! You did it! Woo-hoo!