Can I sue Callie Oettinger?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All you bashing Callie should actually look into what she did and not believe the FCPS crowd who are smearing her. You should be way more concerned with who else got the same data and didn’t tell parents. You might not like what Callie has done but she is the only one who has told families how their data is being treated. This is a much bigger issue than FCPS wants to talk about

What are you talking about? Callie hasn't told us crap. She's sitting on our children's information because she has some special "look at me" agenda. No. Stop. She's in the wrong here. There's lots of ways that she could have highlighted this data breach without expanding it. She needs to be held accountable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All you bashing Callie should actually look into what she did and not believe the FCPS crowd who are smearing her. You should be way more concerned with who else got the same data and didn’t tell parents. You might not like what Callie has done but she is the only one who has told families how their data is being treated. This is a much bigger issue than FCPS wants to talk about

What are you talking about? Callie hasn't told us crap. She's sitting on our children's information because she has some special "look at me" agenda. No. Stop. She's in the wrong here. There's lots of ways that she could have highlighted this data breach without expanding it. She needs to be held accountable.

To be fair, neither has fcps. That letter was super cryptic, and if you call the number, they act like they have no idea they were made point on questions. They just refer back to the letter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All you bashing Callie should actually look into what she did and not believe the FCPS crowd who are smearing her. You should be way more concerned with who else got the same data and didn’t tell parents. You might not like what Callie has done but she is the only one who has told families how their data is being treated. This is a much bigger issue than FCPS wants to talk about

What are you talking about? Callie hasn't told us crap. She's sitting on our children's information because she has some special "look at me" agenda. No. Stop. She's in the wrong here. There's lots of ways that she could have highlighted this data breach without expanding it. She needs to be held accountable.

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We can hold two things in our head: Oettinger is wrong and FCPS is wrong. It has nothing to do with the "FCPS crowd" whatever that is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All you bashing Callie should actually look into what she did and not believe the FCPS crowd who are smearing her. You should be way more concerned with who else got the same data and didn’t tell parents. You might not like what Callie has done but she is the only one who has told families how their data is being treated. This is a much bigger issue than FCPS wants to talk about

What are you talking about? Callie hasn't told us crap. She's sitting on our children's information because she has some special "look at me" agenda. No. Stop. She's in the wrong here. There's lots of ways that she could have highlighted this data breach without expanding it. She needs to be held accountable.

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We can hold two things in our head: Oettinger is wrong and FCPS is wrong. It has nothing to do with the "FCPS crowd" whatever that is.

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Anonymous wrote:Sue any and everyone. But also lobby for a state law that prevents publishing private medical information that was mistakenly provided.

We are where we are because a judge ruled Callie and that other woman can legally publish private medical records. There is no benefit to the public by making these private medical records public.

Callie is a horrible person for doing this and it’s insane we need to legislate common sense. But here we are.

Not true. What she did was criminal.

Nope. That is not what the court ruling said.

But it might work out differently for a class action civil suit by parents. Because what she did was wrong.

You really are foolish. I'm not of friend of Callie's and I don't completely understand what went on but I see you are misrepresenting what she did with the data. If I were her and you said I was sharing that info when I was not, I would sue you.

She shared it with a journalist and she gave thumb drives of the data to the Goldwater Institute. She admits to both of those things. She has redacted examples on her website and the journalist has redacted images posted. That's enough for the claim. A good discovery process might find she shared it with others and that some of what she has posted constitutes sharing--even if she says she doesn't.

What law prevents her from doing that?

That's what parents should to talk with lawyers to find out (or for parents among the group to consider) When I say "that's enough for the claim" it means she doesn't have grounds to complain that others are saying wrong things about her. If it turns out after expert consultation that there is no law against this, then people need to publicly advocate for one and consistently use her as a prime example of horrible behavior of taking, keeping and sharing private sensitive data that still is somehow legal. If there aren't legal concerns, perhaps the bad publicity surrounding doing such acts will be a deterrence to others. But what I know for sure is that parents should NOT use your consistent curt badgering about 'no laws' as evidence that they have no possible directions to pursue when any reasonable person knows what she did with all our information is wrong. There may be ways in the court, there may be advocacy ways outside the court. I'm not talking about doxxing or protesting or whatnot--just regularly holding a light to her behavior and actions in every advocacy action for better laws in the FOIA process--and more consequences for what people who "inadvertently" get private data need to do with it.

This was my first post and it was a sincere question, so I have no idea why you are accusing me of consistent badgering. I really want to know since there is so much discussion of suing her - which law prevents what she did? I see how FCPS violated a law here, but I don't know of one that prevents Callie from doing what she did.

Sometimes someone can do something morally wrong but not illegal.

Sorry, but if you didn't notice on this thread there's a poster whose response to everyone has been saying various versions of "Oh yeah, you and what law?" There are relevant privacy laws. They aren't great and it's hard to know without more information and expert legal counsel where she stands legally on a charge from parents whose kids' data she is holding onto and sharing. She could make a good example though of who we need to design better laws to fight against to protect parents/children's right to privacy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sure you can sue anyone.

She did not publish health information that can be connected to your child.

Why can’t you sue FCPS? They released the information and did not protect it

They released information by accident while trying to respond to Callie’s abuse of FOIA and constant demands for data.

Callie could have told the school and securely deleted the information, but instead she waited and meticulously combed through children’s personal information before publishing redacted copies onto the internet. That was no accident.

Did she redact the information herself, or did she get someone else to do it? If the latter, that means she let more people have access to our children’s information. I sure hope the redaction cannot be reversed.

Does she still have this information? Is she storing information securely? Is she showing the information to others who ask her about their children? Why won’t she delete the information securely?

I’m way more disgusted with her than FCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:I still would prefer to sue FCPS. Y’all might hate Callie but she is h to e only one shining a light on how terrible special Ed is and how gatehouse is a mess with data and lots of other things- like the whole due process thing where parents never won because the judges were on the FCPS payroll.

I agree. I still hold her to blame as well, as she should have removed and redacted more information to protect the students while she made her point.

But FCPS needs to be sued by all 35,000 families

That just diverts resources to the law firms defending FCPS. The law is already there, FCPS already knows what they need to do, they messed up. But I agree with PPs that people like Callie who weaponize FOIA are creating these "gotcha" moments that wouldn't otherwise exist. It feels a little like entrapment -- she bombards FCPS with requests and then just waits for them to screw up.

The comment above about shining a light on due process doesn't even make sense. The hearing officers are appointed by the state, not FCPS and definitely not on their payroll. The truth is there's a very low number of parents who win because if they have a good enough case, it settles before ever making it to the hearing.

The quoted isn't accurate. We don't win many cases because of the circuit court we're forced in to is one of the most conservative anti-parent/anti-kid courts around. FCPS didn't seem to care about privacy. What a load of horse patooie re entrapment. That's a joke. You sound like an FCPS lackey.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All you bashing Callie should actually look into what she did and not believe the FCPS crowd who are smearing her. You should be way more concerned with who else got the same data and didn’t tell parents. You might not like what Callie has done but she is the only one who has told families how their data is being treated. This is a much bigger issue than FCPS wants to talk about

What are you talking about? Callie hasn't told us crap. She's sitting on our children's information because she has some special "look at me" agenda. No. Stop. She's in the wrong here. There's lots of ways that she could have highlighted this data breach without expanding it. She needs to be held accountable.

To be fair, neither has fcps. That letter was super cryptic, and if you call the number, they act like they have no idea they were made point on questions. They just refer back to the letter.

FCPS is incompetent when it come to data security/crisis management no doubt. But Oettinger is doing this on purpose for her own agenda and using kids' private data as a tool. That's just another level of bad to me.

[Anonymous]

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You can't "keep information illegally". Please explain this.

This is how you tell me you don't have a security clearance without telling me you don't have a security clearance.

You're an idiot. Security clearances have nothing to do with this. Tell me that you're a clueless fool without telling me...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This rises to the level of a federal criminal matter due to the electronic distribution across state lines.

She can always defend herself against a later civil suit from a medium security federal penitentiary.

You are becoming more and more unhinged with each post. I am seriously concerned for your mental well being. I understand being upset by the situation by your obsession with this person is not normal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sue any and everyone. But also lobby for a state law that prevents publishing private medical information that was mistakenly provided.

We are where we are because a judge ruled Callie and that other woman can legally publish private medical records. There is no benefit to the public by making these private medical records public.

Callie is a horrible person for doing this and it’s insane we need to legislate common sense. But here we are.

Not true. What she did was criminal.

Nope. That is not what the court ruling said.

But it might work out differently for a class action civil suit by parents. Because what she did was wrong.

You really are foolish. I'm not of friend of Callie's and I don't completely understand what went on but I see you are misrepresenting what she did with the data. If I were her and you said I was sharing that info when I was not, I would sue you.

She shared it with a journalist and she gave thumb drives of the data to the Goldwater Institute. She admits to both of those things. She has redacted examples on her website and the journalist has redacted images posted. That's enough for the claim. A good discovery process might find she shared it with others and that some of what she has posted constitutes sharing--even if she says she doesn't.

What law prevents her from doing that?

That's what parents should to talk with lawyers to find out (or for parents among the group to consider) When I say "that's enough for the claim" it means she doesn't have grounds to complain that others are saying wrong things about her. If it turns out after expert consultation that there is no law against this, then people need to publicly advocate for one and consistently use her as a prime example of horrible behavior of taking, keeping and sharing private sensitive data that still is somehow legal. If there aren't legal concerns, perhaps the bad publicity surrounding doing such acts will be a deterrence to others. But what I know for sure is that parents should NOT use your consistent curt badgering about 'no laws' as evidence that they have no possible directions to pursue when any reasonable person knows what she did with all our information is wrong. There may be ways in the court, there may be advocacy ways outside the court. I'm not talking about doxxing or protesting or whatnot--just regularly holding a light to her behavior and actions in every advocacy action for better laws in the FOIA process--and more consequences for what people who "inadvertently" get private data need to do with it.

This was my first post and it was a sincere question, so I have no idea why you are accusing me of consistent badgering. I really want to know since there is so much discussion of suing her - which law prevents what she did? I see how FCPS violated a law here, but I don't know of one that prevents Callie from doing what she did.

Sometimes someone can do something morally wrong but not illegal.

Sorry, but if you didn't notice on this thread there's a poster whose response to everyone has been saying various versions of "Oh yeah, you and what law?" There are relevant privacy laws. They aren't great and it's hard to know without more information and expert legal counsel where she stands legally on a charge from parents whose kids' data she is holding onto and sharing. She could make a good example though of who we need to design better laws to fight against to protect parents/children's right to privacy.

There are not. You can keep posting this but it won’t make it true.

[Anonymous]

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You can't "keep information illegally". Please explain this.

This is how you tell me you don't have a security clearance without telling me you don't have a security clearance.

You're an idiot. Security clearances have nothing to do with this. Tell me that you're a clueless fool without telling me...

Well, the poster did respond accurately to your broad claim that you can't "keep information illegally"--they alluded to an instance where it's obvious that you can. They didn't say it was relevant to the case at hand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Callie needs public shaming while the lawsuit is being organized. Protests outside her house? Social media campaign?

Cool. I’m sure she would appreciate a good counter suit. And an easily winnable one at that!

Based on what?

What is being suggested can easily turn into slander and harassment. But you do you.

Callie is the one who harasses school staff. Truth is a defense to slander. Protests on public streets are allowed.

You are sick. You know that information at this web site can be subpoenaed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Callie needs public shaming while the lawsuit is being organized. Protests outside her house? Social media campaign?

Cool. I’m sure she would appreciate a good counter suit. And an easily winnable one at that!

Based on what?

What is being suggested can easily turn into slander and harassment. But you do you.

Callie is the one who harasses school staff. Truth is a defense to slander. Protests on public streets are allowed.

You are sick. You know that information at this web site can be subpoenaed.

What did they say that is wrong?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sue any and everyone. But also lobby for a state law that prevents publishing private medical information that was mistakenly provided.

We are where we are because a judge ruled Callie and that other woman can legally publish private medical records. There is no benefit to the public by making these private medical records public.

Callie is a horrible person for doing this and it’s insane we need to legislate common sense. But here we are.

Not true. What she did was criminal.

Nope. That is not what the court ruling said.

Cite the ruling, otherwise you’re lying.

https://wset.com/virginia-judge-ruling-favors-fairfax-county-moms-fcps-school-board-spending-debra-tisler-callie-oettinger-goldwater-institute

Now you cite the judge’s ruling that this woman is a criminal.

But that’s not fair. I can’t find one because it doesn’t exist. But she’s a criminal because I say so, and I really don’t like what she did. This isn’t fair. I’m going to keep saying she’s a criminal because if I say it enough, that makes it true.

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There is one unhinged parent who should not be leading this group of parents.