Rigor at TJ compared to regular FCPS high Schools

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Anonymous wrote:I hear the math teachers are very frustrated with the math preparations of incoming students. Discussing changes to grading policies.

Yeah the SOL scores really have taken a dramatic turn. Maybe skills-based grading could be an option?

The new students are more naturally gifted than the 3rd tier peppers who were getting in under the old system. They may be less prepared but seem to pick things up more quickly, so in the long run, they're actually doing much better.

Less prepared in math and science. That was expected! Farcical essay can't evaluate preparedness in necessary math and science.

I've watched over 10,000 kids graduate from TJ in my lifetime, and I can tell you that the way they approach TJ once they're inside the building matters a hell of a lot more than how "prepared" they were when they got admitted. I've seen Alg1 kids who struggled mightily for their first year or two and turned out to be superstars when they left, and I've seen kids who entered in Calc BC and beyond flame out because they couldn't handle actually being challenged academically for the first time in their lives.

Their grades in their curricular classes tell me everything I need to know about whether or not they're "prepared enough". Testing isn't helpful beyond that point. Give me 1000 words that lend me insight into your approach and how you've handled adversity and I'll tell you whether or not you'll be a success at TJ and whether or not you'll add value to the institution.

I have watched 10,000 + 1 kids enter TJ, and unprepared students who get admitted struggle a lot, and mostly drop out mostly during freshman. Other who reluctantly hang in there, struggle with grades and do not go past the bare minimum Calc AB, even with a ton of remedial help. Whereas prepared students, most of them who attend enrichment centers outside school and participate in an array of math and science competitions in middle school, have a wholesome experience at TJ taking advanced math and science classes, and participating in clubs, sports, and having fun.

DP. That's depressing. And if that is changed by the new admissions requirements, then lower SOL PA scores are fine.

- parent of an 8th grader who is considering TJ

How many identities will you assume?

Only myself. As a resident of Northern Virginia, I'm interested in TJ. And as an 8th grader, my DC is interested in TJ. They are interested in science and math but do not do outside enrichment centers or math or science competitions. If that's really a prerequisite for success and enjoyment at TJ, then it's not the right place for them. Since the majority of posts on this thread are trolls, I don't put a lot of weight on any of the posts. But I would like to hear perspectives from experienced non-troll posters.

Yes, the majority of people on these threads are trolls. I'll try to answer your question (with full awareness that someone on this board will attempt to discredit or tear apart my position).

My daughter is a freshman at TJ. She did not do outside enrichment in STEM or math/science competitions; the later were not options at our base school nor did we seek them out. She has interests outside of math and science and we have always encouraged that. She is finding the TJ workload to be substantial but she also loves it. She routinely says how happy she is to be in an environment where (almost) everyone cares about school, learning, and doing well. We do not have expectations for her to get straight As, especially first quarter. The administration also emphasizes that most freshman get "curvy grades" and they expect it and then work from there to improve.

All that said, it does seem to be a bit of a pressure cooker. I've been told that it's gotten "much better" than years past but it is a HUGE jump from middle school workloads. If they are interested in applying, I would encourage them to do so. Since all the kids there are smart, I think being successful at TJ is more about finding ways to manage the workload and high expectations vs. having previous experience with STEM. A kid needs to be willing and motivated to learn.

When a neighborhood parent asked her if everyone at TJ is "crazy smart" she said that everyone is smart but that doesn't mean everyone is doing well. She said you might have a freshman kid killing it in AP Calculus (or some other accelerated math class) but they are failing English or Bio. Her point was most people aren't "naturally smart" in all areas and its more about finding ways to learn the content. I thought that was rather insightful for a 14 year old. I certainly wasn't aware of that as a freshman in HS.

Good luck!
-A non troll

This was an excellent and informative description. Having attended a different math and science magnet in a different part of the country, this was my experience as well. Unlike many other high schools, the classes are stimulating and challenging, and the vibe is definitely academic. In order to do well, one has to be quite motivated (hopefully in a less competitive way and more towards actually enjoying the learning process). E.g I could do calculus, but I had to work harder in other areas to avoid doing poorly. In some classes all of us were struggling, it wasn't me against others, it was together we were trying to understand the material, etc. For the most part it's not about how advanced you are coming in, it is more about whether you really want to learn a lot at a challenging pace, surrounded by smart peers who love to learn. Kudos to your daughter for realizing that learning how to learn is what matters most, and not the level of "smartness" compared to other peers, whatever that means.

Well, FCPS is a public school system, and a rather large one at that.

We should be offering kids challenges at all high schools, and not promoting one school where the students and their parents are always going off about how the kids are special snowflakes in a rarefied environment. But if we really feel the need to have snowflakes, we ought to at least make sure they are special - and not just some kids from some random middle school who might not even be in the top 50% at another.

[pettifogger]

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Anonymous wrote:I hear the math teachers are very frustrated with the math preparations of incoming students. Discussing changes to grading policies.

Yeah the SOL scores really have taken a dramatic turn. Maybe skills-based grading could be an option?

The new students are more naturally gifted than the 3rd tier peppers who were getting in under the old system. They may be less prepared but seem to pick things up more quickly, so in the long run, they're actually doing much better.

Less prepared in math and science. That was expected! Farcical essay can't evaluate preparedness in necessary math and science.

I've watched over 10,000 kids graduate from TJ in my lifetime, and I can tell you that the way they approach TJ once they're inside the building matters a hell of a lot more than how "prepared" they were when they got admitted. I've seen Alg1 kids who struggled mightily for their first year or two and turned out to be superstars when they left, and I've seen kids who entered in Calc BC and beyond flame out because they couldn't handle actually being challenged academically for the first time in their lives.

Their grades in their curricular classes tell me everything I need to know about whether or not they're "prepared enough". Testing isn't helpful beyond that point. Give me 1000 words that lend me insight into your approach and how you've handled adversity and I'll tell you whether or not you'll be a success at TJ and whether or not you'll add value to the institution.

I have watched 10,000 + 1 kids enter TJ, and unprepared students who get admitted struggle a lot, and mostly drop out mostly during freshman. Other who reluctantly hang in there, struggle with grades and do not go past the bare minimum Calc AB, even with a ton of remedial help. Whereas prepared students, most of them who attend enrichment centers outside school and participate in an array of math and science competitions in middle school, have a wholesome experience at TJ taking advanced math and science classes, and participating in clubs, sports, and having fun.

DP. That's depressing. And if that is changed by the new admissions requirements, then lower SOL PA scores are fine.

- parent of an 8th grader who is considering TJ

How many identities will you assume?

Only myself. As a resident of Northern Virginia, I'm interested in TJ. And as an 8th grader, my DC is interested in TJ. They are interested in science and math but do not do outside enrichment centers or math or science competitions. If that's really a prerequisite for success and enjoyment at TJ, then it's not the right place for them. Since the majority of posts on this thread are trolls, I don't put a lot of weight on any of the posts. But I would like to hear perspectives from experienced non-troll posters.

Yes, the majority of people on these threads are trolls. I'll try to answer your question (with full awareness that someone on this board will attempt to discredit or tear apart my position).

My daughter is a freshman at TJ. She did not do outside enrichment in STEM or math/science competitions; the later were not options at our base school nor did we seek them out. She has interests outside of math and science and we have always encouraged that. She is finding the TJ workload to be substantial but she also loves it. She routinely says how happy she is to be in an environment where (almost) everyone cares about school, learning, and doing well. We do not have expectations for her to get straight As, especially first quarter. The administration also emphasizes that most freshman get "curvy grades" and they expect it and then work from there to improve.

All that said, it does seem to be a bit of a pressure cooker. I've been told that it's gotten "much better" than years past but it is a HUGE jump from middle school workloads. If they are interested in applying, I would encourage them to do so. Since all the kids there are smart, I think being successful at TJ is more about finding ways to manage the workload and high expectations vs. having previous experience with STEM. A kid needs to be willing and motivated to learn.

When a neighborhood parent asked her if everyone at TJ is "crazy smart" she said that everyone is smart but that doesn't mean everyone is doing well. She said you might have a freshman kid killing it in AP Calculus (or some other accelerated math class) but they are failing English or Bio. Her point was most people aren't "naturally smart" in all areas and its more about finding ways to learn the content. I thought that was rather insightful for a 14 year old. I certainly wasn't aware of that as a freshman in HS.

Good luck!
-A non troll

This was an excellent and informative description. Having attended a different math and science magnet in a different part of the country, this was my experience as well. Unlike many other high schools, the classes are stimulating and challenging, and the vibe is definitely academic. In order to do well, one has to be quite motivated (hopefully in a less competitive way and more towards actually enjoying the learning process). E.g I could do calculus, but I had to work harder in other areas to avoid doing poorly. In some classes all of us were struggling, it wasn't me against others, it was together we were trying to understand the material, etc. For the most part it's not about how advanced you are coming in, it is more about whether you really want to learn a lot at a challenging pace, surrounded by smart peers who love to learn. Kudos to your daughter for realizing that learning how to learn is what matters most, and not the level of "smartness" compared to other peers, whatever that means.

Well, FCPS is a public school system, and a rather large one at that.

We should be offering kids challenges at all high schools, and not promoting one school where the students and their parents are always going off about how the kids are special snowflakes in a rarefied environment. But if we really feel the need to have snowflakes, we ought to at least make sure they are special - and not just some kids from some random middle school who might not even be in the top 50% at another.

Completely agree with the part that kids should be challenged in every high school, but not sure about the rest. Keep in mind that each high school has its own vibe and culture, and not very many high schools are strongly focused on academics. You might be able to have small special programs at those schools, but you're not going to be able to change what most people who attend that school value. But it's unclear why you are complaining that special kids are not identified; if this were to be true, those kids will help raise the bar at the base schools which supports your argument for higher challenge everywhere.

[Anonymous]

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Only racists dismiss asian americans as test takers.

Rest of the nation sees hardworking and patriotic Asian Americans making significant STEM contributions to the advancement of the entire mankind:

Sundar Pichai (Google), Satya Nadella (Microsoft), Arvind Krishna (IBM), Jen-Hsun Huang (NVIDIA), Jerry Yang (Yahoo!), Sanjay Mehrotra (Micron Technology), Lisa Su (AMD), Eric Yuan (Zoom), Min Zhu, (Cisco WebEx), Tony Xu (DoorDash), Albert Cheng (Amazon Studios), Bobby Murphy (SnapChat), Steve Chen (YouTube), and many more

There is a plethora of racial innuendos prevalent on this forum calling hardworking asian american students as preppers, cheaters, test buyers, test takers, etc. Nutcases harboring racism are to be ignored.

However, the above list of accomplished asian americans is just in the technology field, there are such prominent americans of asian ethnicity across various fields ranging from life sciences, healthcare, finance, ... to higher education. In stem academia, the largest minority group of university professors is asian american.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Only racists dismiss asian americans as test takers.

Rest of the nation sees hardworking and patriotic Asian Americans making significant STEM contributions to the advancement of the entire mankind:

Sundar Pichai (Google), Satya Nadella (Microsoft), Arvind Krishna (IBM), Jen-Hsun Huang (NVIDIA), Jerry Yang (Yahoo!), Sanjay Mehrotra (Micron Technology), Lisa Su (AMD), Eric Yuan (Zoom), Min Zhu, (Cisco WebEx), Tony Xu (DoorDash), Albert Cheng (Amazon Studios), Bobby Murphy (SnapChat), Steve Chen (YouTube), and many more

There is a plethora of racial innuendos prevalent on this forum calling hardworking asian american students as preppers, cheaters, test buyers, test takers, etc. Nutcases harboring racism are to be ignored.

However, the above list of accomplished asian americans is just in the technology field, there are such prominent americans of asian ethnicity across various fields ranging from life sciences, healthcare, finance, ... to higher education. In stem academia, the largest minority group of university professors is asian american.

Haters will hate - their loss. US would have lost out to China in the crucial technology war many years ago if not for the Asian scientists and engineers in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Only racists dismiss asian americans as test takers.

Rest of the nation sees hardworking and patriotic Asian Americans making significant STEM contributions to the advancement of the entire mankind:

Sundar Pichai (Google), Satya Nadella (Microsoft), Arvind Krishna (IBM), Jen-Hsun Huang (NVIDIA), Jerry Yang (Yahoo!), Sanjay Mehrotra (Micron Technology), Lisa Su (AMD), Eric Yuan (Zoom), Min Zhu, (Cisco WebEx), Tony Xu (DoorDash), Albert Cheng (Amazon Studios), Bobby Murphy (SnapChat), Steve Chen (YouTube), and many more

There is a plethora of racial innuendos prevalent on this forum calling hardworking asian american students as preppers, cheaters, test buyers, test takers, etc. Nutcases harboring racism are to be ignored.

However, the above list of accomplished asian americans is just in the technology field, there are such prominent americans of asian ethnicity across various fields ranging from life sciences, healthcare, finance, ... to higher education. In stem academia, the largest minority group of university professors is asian american.

Haters will hate - their loss. US would have lost out to China in the crucial technology war many years ago if not for the Asian scientists and engineers in the US.

Seriously does China ever invent anything? They mostly just steal stuff from the US.

[Anonymous]

pettifogger wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I hear the math teachers are very frustrated with the math preparations of incoming students. Discussing changes to grading policies.

Yeah the SOL scores really have taken a dramatic turn. Maybe skills-based grading could be an option?

The new students are more naturally gifted than the 3rd tier peppers who were getting in under the old system. They may be less prepared but seem to pick things up more quickly, so in the long run, they're actually doing much better.

Less prepared in math and science. That was expected! Farcical essay can't evaluate preparedness in necessary math and science.

I've watched over 10,000 kids graduate from TJ in my lifetime, and I can tell you that the way they approach TJ once they're inside the building matters a hell of a lot more than how "prepared" they were when they got admitted. I've seen Alg1 kids who struggled mightily for their first year or two and turned out to be superstars when they left, and I've seen kids who entered in Calc BC and beyond flame out because they couldn't handle actually being challenged academically for the first time in their lives.

Their grades in their curricular classes tell me everything I need to know about whether or not they're "prepared enough". Testing isn't helpful beyond that point. Give me 1000 words that lend me insight into your approach and how you've handled adversity and I'll tell you whether or not you'll be a success at TJ and whether or not you'll add value to the institution.

I have watched 10,000 + 1 kids enter TJ, and unprepared students who get admitted struggle a lot, and mostly drop out mostly during freshman. Other who reluctantly hang in there, struggle with grades and do not go past the bare minimum Calc AB, even with a ton of remedial help. Whereas prepared students, most of them who attend enrichment centers outside school and participate in an array of math and science competitions in middle school, have a wholesome experience at TJ taking advanced math and science classes, and participating in clubs, sports, and having fun.

DP. That's depressing. And if that is changed by the new admissions requirements, then lower SOL PA scores are fine.

- parent of an 8th grader who is considering TJ

How many identities will you assume?

Only myself. As a resident of Northern Virginia, I'm interested in TJ. And as an 8th grader, my DC is interested in TJ. They are interested in science and math but do not do outside enrichment centers or math or science competitions. If that's really a prerequisite for success and enjoyment at TJ, then it's not the right place for them. Since the majority of posts on this thread are trolls, I don't put a lot of weight on any of the posts. But I would like to hear perspectives from experienced non-troll posters.

Yes, the majority of people on these threads are trolls. I'll try to answer your question (with full awareness that someone on this board will attempt to discredit or tear apart my position).

My daughter is a freshman at TJ. She did not do outside enrichment in STEM or math/science competitions; the later were not options at our base school nor did we seek them out. She has interests outside of math and science and we have always encouraged that. She is finding the TJ workload to be substantial but she also loves it. She routinely says how happy she is to be in an environment where (almost) everyone cares about school, learning, and doing well. We do not have expectations for her to get straight As, especially first quarter. The administration also emphasizes that most freshman get "curvy grades" and they expect it and then work from there to improve.

All that said, it does seem to be a bit of a pressure cooker. I've been told that it's gotten "much better" than years past but it is a HUGE jump from middle school workloads. If they are interested in applying, I would encourage them to do so. Since all the kids there are smart, I think being successful at TJ is more about finding ways to manage the workload and high expectations vs. having previous experience with STEM. A kid needs to be willing and motivated to learn.

When a neighborhood parent asked her if everyone at TJ is "crazy smart" she said that everyone is smart but that doesn't mean everyone is doing well. She said you might have a freshman kid killing it in AP Calculus (or some other accelerated math class) but they are failing English or Bio. Her point was most people aren't "naturally smart" in all areas and its more about finding ways to learn the content. I thought that was rather insightful for a 14 year old. I certainly wasn't aware of that as a freshman in HS.

Good luck!
-A non troll

This was an excellent and informative description. Having attended a different math and science magnet in a different part of the country, this was my experience as well. Unlike many other high schools, the classes are stimulating and challenging, and the vibe is definitely academic. In order to do well, one has to be quite motivated (hopefully in a less competitive way and more towards actually enjoying the learning process). E.g I could do calculus, but I had to work harder in other areas to avoid doing poorly. In some classes all of us were struggling, it wasn't me against others, it was together we were trying to understand the material, etc. For the most part it's not about how advanced you are coming in, it is more about whether you really want to learn a lot at a challenging pace, surrounded by smart peers who love to learn. Kudos to your daughter for realizing that learning how to learn is what matters most, and not the level of "smartness" compared to other peers, whatever that means.

Well, FCPS is a public school system, and a rather large one at that.

We should be offering kids challenges at all high schools, and not promoting one school where the students and their parents are always going off about how the kids are special snowflakes in a rarefied environment. But if we really feel the need to have snowflakes, we ought to at least make sure they are special - and not just some kids from some random middle school who might not even be in the top 50% at another.

Completely agree with the part that kids should be challenged in every high school, but not sure about the rest. Keep in mind that each high school has its own vibe and culture, and not very many high schools are strongly focused on academics. You might be able to have small special programs at those schools, but you're not going to be able to change what most people who attend that school value. But it's unclear why you are complaining that special kids are not identified; if this were to be true, those kids will help raise the bar at the base schools which supports your argument for higher challenge everywhere.

Perhaps, but you can also find a sufficiently large group of students at any high school that is focused on academics despite the overall culture. The point is any kid can get a solid education at any FCPS school. Personally, I'd shutter TJ. All this arguing over who gets an advantage in admissions is a waste of resources. They should provide sufficient space so that any kid who is capable and has the desire to participate in an enriched program can.

[Anonymous]

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pettifogger wrote:

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pettifogger wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hear the math teachers are very frustrated with the math preparations of incoming students. Discussing changes to grading policies.

Yeah the SOL scores really have taken a dramatic turn. Maybe skills-based grading could be an option?

The new students are more naturally gifted than the 3rd tier peppers who were getting in under the old system. They may be less prepared but seem to pick things up more quickly, so in the long run, they're actually doing much better.

Less prepared in math and science. That was expected! Farcical essay can't evaluate preparedness in necessary math and science.

I've watched over 10,000 kids graduate from TJ in my lifetime, and I can tell you that the way they approach TJ once they're inside the building matters a hell of a lot more than how "prepared" they were when they got admitted. I've seen Alg1 kids who struggled mightily for their first year or two and turned out to be superstars when they left, and I've seen kids who entered in Calc BC and beyond flame out because they couldn't handle actually being challenged academically for the first time in their lives.

Their grades in their curricular classes tell me everything I need to know about whether or not they're "prepared enough". Testing isn't helpful beyond that point. Give me 1000 words that lend me insight into your approach and how you've handled adversity and I'll tell you whether or not you'll be a success at TJ and whether or not you'll add value to the institution.

I have watched 10,000 + 1 kids enter TJ, and unprepared students who get admitted struggle a lot, and mostly drop out mostly during freshman. Other who reluctantly hang in there, struggle with grades and do not go past the bare minimum Calc AB, even with a ton of remedial help. Whereas prepared students, most of them who attend enrichment centers outside school and participate in an array of math and science competitions in middle school, have a wholesome experience at TJ taking advanced math and science classes, and participating in clubs, sports, and having fun.

DP. That's depressing. And if that is changed by the new admissions requirements, then lower SOL PA scores are fine.

- parent of an 8th grader who is considering TJ

How many identities will you assume?

Only myself. As a resident of Northern Virginia, I'm interested in TJ. And as an 8th grader, my DC is interested in TJ. They are interested in science and math but do not do outside enrichment centers or math or science competitions. If that's really a prerequisite for success and enjoyment at TJ, then it's not the right place for them. Since the majority of posts on this thread are trolls, I don't put a lot of weight on any of the posts. But I would like to hear perspectives from experienced non-troll posters.

Yes, the majority of people on these threads are trolls. I'll try to answer your question (with full awareness that someone on this board will attempt to discredit or tear apart my position).

My daughter is a freshman at TJ. She did not do outside enrichment in STEM or math/science competitions; the later were not options at our base school nor did we seek them out. She has interests outside of math and science and we have always encouraged that. She is finding the TJ workload to be substantial but she also loves it. She routinely says how happy she is to be in an environment where (almost) everyone cares about school, learning, and doing well. We do not have expectations for her to get straight As, especially first quarter. The administration also emphasizes that most freshman get "curvy grades" and they expect it and then work from there to improve.

All that said, it does seem to be a bit of a pressure cooker. I've been told that it's gotten "much better" than years past but it is a HUGE jump from middle school workloads. If they are interested in applying, I would encourage them to do so. Since all the kids there are smart, I think being successful at TJ is more about finding ways to manage the workload and high expectations vs. having previous experience with STEM. A kid needs to be willing and motivated to learn.

When a neighborhood parent asked her if everyone at TJ is "crazy smart" she said that everyone is smart but that doesn't mean everyone is doing well. She said you might have a freshman kid killing it in AP Calculus (or some other accelerated math class) but they are failing English or Bio. Her point was most people aren't "naturally smart" in all areas and its more about finding ways to learn the content. I thought that was rather insightful for a 14 year old. I certainly wasn't aware of that as a freshman in HS.

Good luck!
-A non troll

This was an excellent and informative description. Having attended a different math and science magnet in a different part of the country, this was my experience as well. Unlike many other high schools, the classes are stimulating and challenging, and the vibe is definitely academic. In order to do well, one has to be quite motivated (hopefully in a less competitive way and more towards actually enjoying the learning process). E.g I could do calculus, but I had to work harder in other areas to avoid doing poorly. In some classes all of us were struggling, it wasn't me against others, it was together we were trying to understand the material, etc. For the most part it's not about how advanced you are coming in, it is more about whether you really want to learn a lot at a challenging pace, surrounded by smart peers who love to learn. Kudos to your daughter for realizing that learning how to learn is what matters most, and not the level of "smartness" compared to other peers, whatever that means.

Well, FCPS is a public school system, and a rather large one at that.

We should be offering kids challenges at all high schools, and not promoting one school where the students and their parents are always going off about how the kids are special snowflakes in a rarefied environment. But if we really feel the need to have snowflakes, we ought to at least make sure they are special - and not just some kids from some random middle school who might not even be in the top 50% at another.

Completely agree with the part that kids should be challenged in every high school, but not sure about the rest. Keep in mind that each high school has its own vibe and culture, and not very many high schools are strongly focused on academics. You might be able to have small special programs at those schools, but you're not going to be able to change what most people who attend that school value. But it's unclear why you are complaining that special kids are not identified; if this were to be true, those kids will help raise the bar at the base schools which supports your argument for higher challenge everywhere.

Perhaps, but you can also find a sufficiently large group of students at any high school that is focused on academics despite the overall culture. The point is any kid can get a solid education at any FCPS school. Personally, I'd shutter TJ. All this arguing over who gets an advantage in admissions is a waste of resources. They should provide sufficient space so that any kid who is capable and has the desire to participate in an enriched program can.

The only waste of resources is by DCUM posters. You don't seem to have much else going on so no loss.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Only racists dismiss asian americans as test takers.

Rest of the nation sees hardworking and patriotic Asian Americans making significant STEM contributions to the advancement of the entire mankind:

Sundar Pichai (Google), Satya Nadella (Microsoft), Arvind Krishna (IBM), Jen-Hsun Huang (NVIDIA), Jerry Yang (Yahoo!), Sanjay Mehrotra (Micron Technology), Lisa Su (AMD), Eric Yuan (Zoom), Min Zhu, (Cisco WebEx), Tony Xu (DoorDash), Albert Cheng (Amazon Studios), Bobby Murphy (SnapChat), Steve Chen (YouTube), and many more

There is a plethora of racial innuendos prevalent on this forum calling hardworking asian american students as preppers, cheaters, test buyers, test takers, etc. Nutcases harboring racism are to be ignored.

However, the above list of accomplished asian americans is just in the technology field, there are such prominent americans of asian ethnicity across various fields ranging from life sciences, healthcare, finance, ... to higher education. In stem academia, the largest minority group of university professors is asian american.

Haters will hate - their loss. US would have lost out to China in the crucial technology war many years ago if not for the Asian scientists and engineers in the US.

Seriously does China ever invent anything? They mostly just steal stuff from the US.

Hey boomer, that was 20 years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Only racists dismiss asian americans as test takers.

Rest of the nation sees hardworking and patriotic Asian Americans making significant STEM contributions to the advancement of the entire mankind:

Sundar Pichai (Google), Satya Nadella (Microsoft), Arvind Krishna (IBM), Jen-Hsun Huang (NVIDIA), Jerry Yang (Yahoo!), Sanjay Mehrotra (Micron Technology), Lisa Su (AMD), Eric Yuan (Zoom), Min Zhu, (Cisco WebEx), Tony Xu (DoorDash), Albert Cheng (Amazon Studios), Bobby Murphy (SnapChat), Steve Chen (YouTube), and many more

There is a plethora of racial innuendos prevalent on this forum calling hardworking asian american students as preppers, cheaters, test buyers, test takers, etc. Nutcases harboring racism are to be ignored.

However, the above list of accomplished asian americans is just in the technology field, there are such prominent americans of asian ethnicity across various fields ranging from life sciences, healthcare, finance, ... to higher education. In stem academia, the largest minority group of university professors is asian american.

Haters will hate - their loss. US would have lost out to China in the crucial technology war many years ago if not for the Asian scientists and engineers in the US.

Seriously does China ever invent anything? They mostly just steal stuff from the US.

Hey boomer, that was 20 years ago.

DP. Still true though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Only racists dismiss asian americans as test takers.

Rest of the nation sees hardworking and patriotic Asian Americans making significant STEM contributions to the advancement of the entire mankind:

Sundar Pichai (Google), Satya Nadella (Microsoft), Arvind Krishna (IBM), Jen-Hsun Huang (NVIDIA), Jerry Yang (Yahoo!), Sanjay Mehrotra (Micron Technology), Lisa Su (AMD), Eric Yuan (Zoom), Min Zhu, (Cisco WebEx), Tony Xu (DoorDash), Albert Cheng (Amazon Studios), Bobby Murphy (SnapChat), Steve Chen (YouTube), and many more

There is a plethora of racial innuendos prevalent on this forum calling hardworking asian american students as preppers, cheaters, test buyers, test takers, etc. Nutcases harboring racism are to be ignored.

However, the above list of accomplished asian americans is just in the technology field, there are such prominent americans of asian ethnicity across various fields ranging from life sciences, healthcare, finance, ... to higher education. In stem academia, the largest minority group of university professors is asian american.

Haters will hate - their loss. US would have lost out to China in the crucial technology war many years ago if not for the Asian scientists and engineers in the US.

Seriously does China ever invent anything? They mostly just steal stuff from the US.

Hey boomer, that was 20 years ago.

They have TikTok and WeChat. Isn’t Elon musk trying to turn Twitter into WeChat?

[Anonymous]

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Only racists dismiss asian americans as test takers.

Rest of the nation sees hardworking and patriotic Asian Americans making significant STEM contributions to the advancement of the entire mankind:

Sundar Pichai (Google), Satya Nadella (Microsoft), Arvind Krishna (IBM), Jen-Hsun Huang (NVIDIA), Jerry Yang (Yahoo!), Sanjay Mehrotra (Micron Technology), Lisa Su (AMD), Eric Yuan (Zoom), Min Zhu, (Cisco WebEx), Tony Xu (DoorDash), Albert Cheng (Amazon Studios), Bobby Murphy (SnapChat), Steve Chen (YouTube), and many more

There is a plethora of racial innuendos prevalent on this forum calling hardworking asian american students as preppers, cheaters, test buyers, test takers, etc. Nutcases harboring racism are to be ignored.

However, the above list of accomplished asian americans is just in the technology field, there are such prominent americans of asian ethnicity across various fields ranging from life sciences, healthcare, finance, ... to higher education. In stem academia, the largest minority group of university professors is asian american.

Haters will hate - their loss. US would have lost out to China in the crucial technology war many years ago if not for the Asian scientists and engineers in the US.

Seriously does China ever invent anything? They mostly just steal stuff from the US.

Hey boomer, that was 20 years ago.

They have TikTok and WeChat. Isn’t Elon musk trying to turn Twitter into WeChat?

Their AI/machine learning technology may advance beyond US in number of years if US is not careful since AI is heavily reliant on large/huge data (larger the better) and they have been training their AI systems on 1.5 billion people compared to 330 million people for years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Only racists dismiss asian americans as test takers.

Rest of the nation sees hardworking and patriotic Asian Americans making significant STEM contributions to the advancement of the entire mankind:

Sundar Pichai (Google), Satya Nadella (Microsoft), Arvind Krishna (IBM), Jen-Hsun Huang (NVIDIA), Jerry Yang (Yahoo!), Sanjay Mehrotra (Micron Technology), Lisa Su (AMD), Eric Yuan (Zoom), Min Zhu, (Cisco WebEx), Tony Xu (DoorDash), Albert Cheng (Amazon Studios), Bobby Murphy (SnapChat), Steve Chen (YouTube), and many more

There is a plethora of racial innuendos prevalent on this forum calling hardworking asian american students as preppers, cheaters, test buyers, test takers, etc. Nutcases harboring racism are to be ignored.

However, the above list of accomplished asian americans is just in the technology field, there are such prominent americans of asian ethnicity across various fields ranging from life sciences, healthcare, finance, ... to higher education. In stem academia, the largest minority group of university professors is asian american.

Haters will hate - their loss. US would have lost out to China in the crucial technology war many years ago if not for the Asian scientists and engineers in the US.

Seriously does China ever invent anything? They mostly just steal stuff from the US.

Hey boomer, that was 20 years ago.

They have TikTok and WeChat. Isn’t Elon musk trying to turn Twitter into WeChat?

Their AI/machine learning technology may advance beyond US in number of years if US is not careful since AI is heavily reliant on large/huge data (larger the better) and they have been training their AI systems on 1.5 billion people compared to 330 million people for years.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Only racists dismiss asian americans as test takers.

Rest of the nation sees hardworking and patriotic Asian Americans making significant STEM contributions to the advancement of the entire mankind:

Sundar Pichai (Google), Satya Nadella (Microsoft), Arvind Krishna (IBM), Jen-Hsun Huang (NVIDIA), Jerry Yang (Yahoo!), Sanjay Mehrotra (Micron Technology), Lisa Su (AMD), Eric Yuan (Zoom), Min Zhu, (Cisco WebEx), Tony Xu (DoorDash), Albert Cheng (Amazon Studios), Bobby Murphy (SnapChat), Steve Chen (YouTube), and many more

There is a plethora of racial innuendos prevalent on this forum calling hardworking asian american students as preppers, cheaters, test buyers, test takers, etc. Nutcases harboring racism are to be ignored.

However, the above list of accomplished asian americans is just in the technology field, there are such prominent americans of asian ethnicity across various fields ranging from life sciences, healthcare, finance, ... to higher education. In stem academia, the largest minority group of university professors is asian american.

Haters will hate - their loss. US would have lost out to China in the crucial technology war many years ago if not for the Asian scientists and engineers in the US.

Seriously does China ever invent anything? They mostly just steal stuff from the US.

Hey boomer, that was 20 years ago.

Apparently it's still going on as much as ever, https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/18/us/politics/china-spying-technology.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Only racists dismiss asian americans as test takers.

Rest of the nation sees hardworking and patriotic Asian Americans making significant STEM contributions to the advancement of the entire mankind:

Sundar Pichai (Google), Satya Nadella (Microsoft), Arvind Krishna (IBM), Jen-Hsun Huang (NVIDIA), Jerry Yang (Yahoo!), Sanjay Mehrotra (Micron Technology), Lisa Su (AMD), Eric Yuan (Zoom), Min Zhu, (Cisco WebEx), Tony Xu (DoorDash), Albert Cheng (Amazon Studios), Bobby Murphy (SnapChat), Steve Chen (YouTube), and many more

There is a plethora of racial innuendos prevalent on this forum calling hardworking asian american students as preppers, cheaters, test buyers, test takers, etc. Nutcases harboring racism are to be ignored.

However, the above list of accomplished asian americans is just in the technology field, there are such prominent americans of asian ethnicity across various fields ranging from life sciences, healthcare, finance, ... to higher education. In stem academia, the largest minority group of university professors is asian american.

Haters will hate - their loss. US would have lost out to China in the crucial technology war many years ago if not for the Asian scientists and engineers in the US.

Seriously does China ever invent anything? They mostly just steal stuff from the US.

Hey boomer, that was 20 years ago.

They have TikTok and WeChat. Isn’t Elon musk trying to turn Twitter into WeChat?

Their AI/machine learning technology may advance beyond US in number of years if US is not careful since AI is heavily reliant on large/huge data (larger the better) and they have been training their AI systems on 1.5 billion people compared to 330 million people for years.

+1

Provided they steal enough US IP to compete.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Only racists dismiss asian americans as test takers.

Rest of the nation sees hardworking and patriotic Asian Americans making significant STEM contributions to the advancement of the entire mankind:

Sundar Pichai (Google), Satya Nadella (Microsoft), Arvind Krishna (IBM), Jen-Hsun Huang (NVIDIA), Jerry Yang (Yahoo!), Sanjay Mehrotra (Micron Technology), Lisa Su (AMD), Eric Yuan (Zoom), Min Zhu, (Cisco WebEx), Tony Xu (DoorDash), Albert Cheng (Amazon Studios), Bobby Murphy (SnapChat), Steve Chen (YouTube), and many more

There is a plethora of racial innuendos prevalent on this forum calling hardworking asian american students as preppers, cheaters, test buyers, test takers, etc. Nutcases harboring racism are to be ignored.

However, the above list of accomplished asian americans is just in the technology field, there are such prominent americans of asian ethnicity across various fields ranging from life sciences, healthcare, finance, ... to higher education. In stem academia, the largest minority group of university professors is asian american.

Haters will hate - their loss. US would have lost out to China in the crucial technology war many years ago if not for the Asian scientists and engineers in the US.

Seriously does China ever invent anything? They mostly just steal stuff from the US.

Hey boomer, that was 20 years ago.

They have TikTok and WeChat. Isn’t Elon musk trying to turn Twitter into WeChat?

Neither of those sites involve groundbreaking research.