Rigor at TJ compared to regular FCPS high Schools

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Only racists dismiss asian americans as test takers.

Rest of the nation sees hardworking and patriotic Asian Americans making significant STEM contributions to the advancement of the entire mankind:

Sundar Pichai (Google), Satya Nadella (Microsoft), Arvind Krishna (IBM), Jen-Hsun Huang (NVIDIA), Jerry Yang (Yahoo!), Sanjay Mehrotra (Micron Technology), Lisa Su (AMD), Eric Yuan (Zoom), Min Zhu, (Cisco WebEx), Tony Xu (DoorDash), Albert Cheng (Amazon Studios), Bobby Murphy (SnapChat), Steve Chen (YouTube), and many more

There is a plethora of racial innuendos prevalent on this forum calling hardworking asian american students as preppers, cheaters, test buyers, test takers, etc. Nutcases harboring racism are to be ignored.

However, the above list of accomplished asian americans is just in the technology field, there are such prominent americans of asian ethnicity across various fields ranging from life sciences, healthcare, finance, ... to higher education. In stem academia, the largest minority group of university professors is asian american.

Haters will hate - their loss. US would have lost out to China in the crucial technology war many years ago if not for the Asian scientists and engineers in the US.

Seriously does China ever invent anything? They mostly just steal stuff from the US.

Hey boomer, that was 20 years ago.

They have TikTok and WeChat. Isn’t Elon musk trying to turn Twitter into WeChat?

Their AI/machine learning technology may advance beyond US in number of years if US is not careful since AI is heavily reliant on large/huge data (larger the better) and they have been training their AI systems on 1.5 billion people compared to 330 million people for years.

US AI will either be shut down soon or forced to start over with legal training data instead of mass copyright infringement. And will also be forced to start charging which will probably kill it.

Additionally, people may start to realize that AI is not a search engine. It doesn't/won't give you the right answer. It has uses but they are limited.

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The real answer is that they don't. A school might take a more but not enough to make it worth it.

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Only racists dismiss asian americans as test takers.

Rest of the nation sees hardworking and patriotic Asian Americans making significant STEM contributions to the advancement of the entire mankind:

Sundar Pichai (Google), Satya Nadella (Microsoft), Arvind Krishna (IBM), Jen-Hsun Huang (NVIDIA), Jerry Yang (Yahoo!), Sanjay Mehrotra (Micron Technology), Lisa Su (AMD), Eric Yuan (Zoom), Min Zhu, (Cisco WebEx), Tony Xu (DoorDash), Albert Cheng (Amazon Studios), Bobby Murphy (SnapChat), Steve Chen (YouTube), and many more

There is a plethora of racial innuendos prevalent on this forum calling hardworking asian american students as preppers, cheaters, test buyers, test takers, etc. Nutcases harboring racism are to be ignored.

However, the above list of accomplished asian americans is just in the technology field, there are such prominent americans of asian ethnicity across various fields ranging from life sciences, healthcare, finance, ... to higher education. In stem academia, the largest minority group of university professors is asian american.

Haters will hate - their loss. US would have lost out to China in the crucial technology war many years ago if not for the Asian scientists and engineers in the US.

Seriously does China ever invent anything? They mostly just steal stuff from the US.

Hey boomer, that was 20 years ago.

They have TikTok and WeChat. Isn’t Elon musk trying to turn Twitter into WeChat?

Their AI/machine learning technology may advance beyond US in number of years if US is not careful since AI is heavily reliant on large/huge data (larger the better) and they have been training their AI systems on 1.5 billion people compared to 330 million people for years.

There is no meaningful difference between 330M vs 1.5B for AI training data. Anyway US/multinationals has the whole English speaking world, which is far larger, as well as the public Internet in all languages.

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Only racists dismiss asian americans as test takers.

Rest of the nation sees hardworking and patriotic Asian Americans making significant STEM contributions to the advancement of the entire mankind:

Sundar Pichai (Google), Satya Nadella (Microsoft), Arvind Krishna (IBM), Jen-Hsun Huang (NVIDIA), Jerry Yang (Yahoo!), Sanjay Mehrotra (Micron Technology), Lisa Su (AMD), Eric Yuan (Zoom), Min Zhu, (Cisco WebEx), Tony Xu (DoorDash), Albert Cheng (Amazon Studios), Bobby Murphy (SnapChat), Steve Chen (YouTube), and many more

There is a plethora of racial innuendos prevalent on this forum calling hardworking asian american students as preppers, cheaters, test buyers, test takers, etc. Nutcases harboring racism are to be ignored.

However, the above list of accomplished asian americans is just in the technology field, there are such prominent americans of asian ethnicity across various fields ranging from life sciences, healthcare, finance, ... to higher education. In stem academia, the largest minority group of university professors is asian american.

Haters will hate - their loss. US would have lost out to China in the crucial technology war many years ago if not for the Asian scientists and engineers in the US.

Seriously does China ever invent anything? They mostly just steal stuff from the US.

Hey boomer, that was 20 years ago.

They have TikTok and WeChat. Isn’t Elon musk trying to turn Twitter into WeChat?

Their AI/machine learning technology may advance beyond US in number of years if US is not careful since AI is heavily reliant on large/huge data (larger the better) and they have been training their AI systems on 1.5 billion people compared to 330 million people for years.

There is no meaningful difference between 330M vs 1.5B for AI training data. Anyway US/multinationals has the whole English speaking world, which is far larger, as well as the public Internet in all languages.

Size of the data makes crucial difference and there are many Chinese speaking countries in the East and South East in addition to China.

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Only racists dismiss asian americans as test takers.

Rest of the nation sees hardworking and patriotic Asian Americans making significant STEM contributions to the advancement of the entire mankind:

Sundar Pichai (Google), Satya Nadella (Microsoft), Arvind Krishna (IBM), Jen-Hsun Huang (NVIDIA), Jerry Yang (Yahoo!), Sanjay Mehrotra (Micron Technology), Lisa Su (AMD), Eric Yuan (Zoom), Min Zhu, (Cisco WebEx), Tony Xu (DoorDash), Albert Cheng (Amazon Studios), Bobby Murphy (SnapChat), Steve Chen (YouTube), and many more

There is a plethora of racial innuendos prevalent on this forum calling hardworking asian american students as preppers, cheaters, test buyers, test takers, etc. Nutcases harboring racism are to be ignored.

However, the above list of accomplished asian americans is just in the technology field, there are such prominent americans of asian ethnicity across various fields ranging from life sciences, healthcare, finance, ... to higher education. In stem academia, the largest minority group of university professors is asian american.

Haters will hate - their loss. US would have lost out to China in the crucial technology war many years ago if not for the Asian scientists and engineers in the US.

Seriously does China ever invent anything? They mostly just steal stuff from the US.

Hey boomer, that was 20 years ago.

They have TikTok and WeChat. Isn’t Elon musk trying to turn Twitter into WeChat?

Their AI/machine learning technology may advance beyond US in number of years if US is not careful since AI is heavily reliant on large/huge data (larger the better) and they have been training their AI systems on 1.5 billion people compared to 330 million people for years.

There is no meaningful difference between 330M vs 1.5B for AI training data. Anyway US/multinationals has the whole English speaking world, which is far larger, as well as the public Internet in all languages.

Size of the data makes crucial difference and there are many Chinese speaking countries in the East and South East in addition to China.

The volume of internet data by language makes it seem like Chinese isn't all that significant weighting in at less than 2% compared to English at over 50% of all data. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_used_on_the_Internet

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS reputation appears to be dependent on recognizing and rewarding all hard working students, including Asian American students:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/264-fcps-students-named-2024-national-merit-semifinalists

One does not have to be an expert in heritage and cultures, but a significant number of the student names appear to be of Asian American ethnicity.

You would expect that of a program whose sole criteria (in this instance) is performance on a standardized exam.

I love standardized tests because they're easy to game through prep, and we have the means to prioritize education. This also helps thin the competition by eliminating less affluent students. Of course, there are other ways to identify qualified applicants but they are less advantageous for me.

You sound racist implying hard working asian american students efforts as gaming through prep in a demeaning way, and foolishly implying children from middle class asian families as affluent students.

From the perspective of a lot of people, "middle class" is affluent.

Believe it or not, the ability to prioritize extras for your child's education above and beyond what the public education system provides is a privilege. Failing to understand that is pretty aggressively elitist.

Providing bonus admissions points to a kid because their parents earn some arbitrary dollar amount, or their race earns them membership to some scholarly club isn't exactly fair. I guess those kids who don't qualify should have chosen different parents if they wanted a better chance at TJ.

The old admissions process excluded groups much more broadly than the new admissions process does. The old admissions process essentially zeroed out the admissions points for students from low-income families.

People keep bringing up race but it is not a factor in the new admissions process. You are not being oppressed simply because groups that are unlike yours now have realistic access to TJ, any more than men were oppressed when women gained access to the vote.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS reputation appears to be dependent on recognizing and rewarding all hard working students, including Asian American students:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/264-fcps-students-named-2024-national-merit-semifinalists

One does not have to be an expert in heritage and cultures, but a significant number of the student names appear to be of Asian American ethnicity.

You would expect that of a program whose sole criteria (in this instance) is performance on a standardized exam.

I love standardized tests because they're easy to game through prep, and we have the means to prioritize education. This also helps thin the competition by eliminating less affluent students. Of course, there are other ways to identify qualified applicants but they are less advantageous for me.

You sound racist implying hard working asian american students efforts as gaming through prep in a demeaning way, and foolishly implying children from middle class asian families as affluent students.

From the perspective of a lot of people, "middle class" is affluent.

Believe it or not, the ability to prioritize extras for your child's education above and beyond what the public education system provides is a privilege. Failing to understand that is pretty aggressively elitist.

Providing bonus admissions points to a kid because their parents earn some arbitrary dollar amount, or their race earns them membership to some scholarly club isn't exactly fair. I guess those kids who don't qualify should have chosen different parents if they wanted a better chance at TJ.

The old admissions process excluded groups much more broadly than the new admissions process does. The old admissions process essentially zeroed out the admissions points for students from low-income families.

People keep bringing up race but it is not a factor in the new admissions process. You are not being oppressed simply because groups that are unlike yours now have realistic access to TJ, any more than men were oppressed when women gained access to the vote.

The new TJ admission system was ruled unconstitutional by US District Court since it discriminated against Asian applicants.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS reputation appears to be dependent on recognizing and rewarding all hard working students, including Asian American students:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/264-fcps-students-named-2024-national-merit-semifinalists

One does not have to be an expert in heritage and cultures, but a significant number of the student names appear to be of Asian American ethnicity.

You would expect that of a program whose sole criteria (in this instance) is performance on a standardized exam.

I love standardized tests because they're easy to game through prep, and we have the means to prioritize education. This also helps thin the competition by eliminating less affluent students. Of course, there are other ways to identify qualified applicants but they are less advantageous for me.

You sound racist implying hard working asian american students efforts as gaming through prep in a demeaning way, and foolishly implying children from middle class asian families as affluent students.

From the perspective of a lot of people, "middle class" is affluent.

Believe it or not, the ability to prioritize extras for your child's education above and beyond what the public education system provides is a privilege. Failing to understand that is pretty aggressively elitist.

Providing bonus admissions points to a kid because their parents earn some arbitrary dollar amount, or their race earns them membership to some scholarly club isn't exactly fair. I guess those kids who don't qualify should have chosen different parents if they wanted a better chance at TJ.

The old admissions process excluded groups much more broadly than the new admissions process does. The old admissions process essentially zeroed out the admissions points for students from low-income families.

People keep bringing up race but it is not a factor in the new admissions process. You are not being oppressed simply because groups that are unlike yours now have realistic access to TJ, any more than men were oppressed when women gained access to the vote.

The new TJ admission system was ruled unconstitutional by US District Court since it discriminated against Asian applicants.

Umm...

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS reputation appears to be dependent on recognizing and rewarding all hard working students, including Asian American students:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/264-fcps-students-named-2024-national-merit-semifinalists

One does not have to be an expert in heritage and cultures, but a significant number of the student names appear to be of Asian American ethnicity.

You would expect that of a program whose sole criteria (in this instance) is performance on a standardized exam.

I love standardized tests because they're easy to game through prep, and we have the means to prioritize education. This also helps thin the competition by eliminating less affluent students. Of course, there are other ways to identify qualified applicants but they are less advantageous for me.

You sound racist implying hard working asian american students efforts as gaming through prep in a demeaning way, and foolishly implying children from middle class asian families as affluent students.

From the perspective of a lot of people, "middle class" is affluent.

Believe it or not, the ability to prioritize extras for your child's education above and beyond what the public education system provides is a privilege. Failing to understand that is pretty aggressively elitist.

Providing bonus admissions points to a kid because their parents earn some arbitrary dollar amount, or their race earns them membership to some scholarly club isn't exactly fair. I guess those kids who don't qualify should have chosen different parents if they wanted a better chance at TJ.

The old admissions process excluded groups much more broadly than the new admissions process does. The old admissions process essentially zeroed out the admissions points for students from low-income families.

People keep bringing up race but it is not a factor in the new admissions process. You are not being oppressed simply because groups that are unlike yours now have realistic access to TJ, any more than men were oppressed when women gained access to the vote.

The new TJ admission system was ruled unconstitutional by US District Court since it discriminated against Asian applicants.

when reviewed by a real judge it got laughed out of court as having had no impact

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It's really not. My kid is in a high performing public HS in Western PWC with an IT program. It's much harder than TJ from our experience.

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Anonymous wrote:It's really not. My kid is in a high performing public HS in Western PWC with an IT program. It's much harder than TJ from our experience.

Okay.

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As a person who studied CS and applied math and later worked at several big-name tech companies, I've always found IT boring. Those guys pull cables, install software, and fix computers. I guess someone has to do it.

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Anonymous wrote:As a person who studied CS and applied math and later worked at several big-name tech companies, I've always found IT boring. Those guys pull cables, install software, and fix computers. I guess someone has to do it.

Low level grads such as UVA, GMU CS grads do that sort of work while CS grads from the top schools go on to faang as SWE and wall street as quants/traders/SWE.

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Anonymous wrote:As a person who studied CS and applied math and later worked at several big-name tech companies, I've always found IT boring. Those guys pull cables, install software, and fix computers. I guess someone has to do it.

You did not do any of that, because you do not seem to have the remotest idea of what IT entails.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS reputation appears to be dependent on recognizing and rewarding all hard working students, including Asian American students:

https://www.fcps.edu/news/264-fcps-students-named-2024-national-merit-semifinalists

One does not have to be an expert in heritage and cultures, but a significant number of the student names appear to be of Asian American ethnicity.

You would expect that of a program whose sole criteria (in this instance) is performance on a standardized exam.

I love standardized tests because they're easy to game through prep, and we have the means to prioritize education. This also helps thin the competition by eliminating less affluent students. Of course, there are other ways to identify qualified applicants but they are less advantageous for me.

You sound racist implying hard working asian american students efforts as gaming through prep in a demeaning way, and foolishly implying children from middle class asian families as affluent students.

From the perspective of a lot of people, "middle class" is affluent.

Believe it or not, the ability to prioritize extras for your child's education above and beyond what the public education system provides is a privilege. Failing to understand that is pretty aggressively elitist.

Providing bonus admissions points to a kid because their parents earn some arbitrary dollar amount, or their race earns them membership to some scholarly club isn't exactly fair. I guess those kids who don't qualify should have chosen different parents if they wanted a better chance at TJ.

The old admissions process excluded groups much more broadly than the new admissions process does. The old admissions process essentially zeroed out the admissions points for students from low-income families.

People keep bringing up race but it is not a factor in the new admissions process. You are not being oppressed simply because groups that are unlike yours now have realistic access to TJ, any more than men were oppressed when women gained access to the vote.

Yes, but by allowing those groups fair access to TJ, it reduces the rigged game we had previously where we could basically buy our kids way into it.