What can American women learn from foreign women?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What always gets me is that if their societies were so much better wouldn't there be an influx of people going to those countries rather than getting people out of them?

Europe has its share of migrants
Perhaps you want to think that everyone wants to immigrate to the US

DP.

Where are the mail order brides or grooms leaving U.S for Europe.

There are more opportunities here for foreigners than they are in Europe.

You are confused
Mail order brides are from former communist bloc countries
And the weird dudes going after them are US born
Though I have heard about Thai mail order brides as well

If you compare women in Europe that are not from post communist countries then they tend to be more educated
In America, up until the 60s a woman still believed she could become a home maker or wife and just do that
In Europe the women entered the workforce much sooner, got voting rights earlier
Here the poverty is more extreme and education is dependent on parental income with regard to quality of schooling
College is also much more affordable

A European man would not agree to fund a stay at home spouse

What are you saying? So many Euro women with 2+ stay at home. I will never understnd why people think that the social policies of countries in western Europe are in support of women. They really believe women belong at home and fund it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Since there are quite a few men, on here and in the wild, who seem to look abroad for romantic relationships and consider foreign or foreign-born women higher value. Since I can’t change my nation of birth, what lessons can I learn from foreign women (any nationality) that make them more appealing?

To address the stereotypes: I’m not fat or even close to it, I’m not bossy, I don’t *think* I act entitled although I can’t really judge that myself, I don’t rant about the “patriarchy,” I don’t have tattoos or blue hair, and I don’t think gender norms are inherently bad.

I lived and worked abroad and many of the American workers ended up marrying the local women. It was not true the other way around with American women and local men, although I'm sure the local men would've wanted the American women.

So here's the honest answer if you want to be like these "foreign" (your term, ew) women - be more desperate.

Very good point. I have lived overseas most of my adult life.
So many American men marry women overseas. Not true the other way around.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Since there are quite a few men, on here and in the wild, who seem to look abroad for romantic relationships and consider foreign or foreign-born women higher value. Since I can’t change my nation of birth, what lessons can I learn from foreign women (any nationality) that make them more appealing?

To address the stereotypes: I’m not fat or even close to it, I’m not bossy, I don’t *think* I act entitled although I can’t really judge that myself, I don’t rant about the “patriarchy,” I don’t have tattoos or blue hair, and I don’t think gender norms are inherently bad.

I lived and worked abroad and many of the American workers ended up marrying the local women. It was not true the other way around with American women and local men, although I'm sure the local men would've wanted the American women.

So here's the honest answer if you want to be like these "foreign" (your term, ew) women - be more desperate.

Very good point. I have lived overseas most of my adult life.
So many American men marry women overseas. Not true the other way around.

Same here. Have yet to meet any American ex-pats interested in American women. In fact, pretty much everyone avoids them like the plague. Though there always seems to be a small number of locals who like to pump and dump them, probably because they are intrigued by their masculinity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Since there are quite a few men, on here and in the wild, who seem to look abroad for romantic relationships and consider foreign or foreign-born women higher value. Since I can’t change my nation of birth, what lessons can I learn from foreign women (any nationality) that make them more appealing?

To address the stereotypes: I’m not fat or even close to it, I’m not bossy, I don’t *think* I act entitled although I can’t really judge that myself, I don’t rant about the “patriarchy,” I don’t have tattoos or blue hair, and I don’t think gender norms are inherently bad.

I lived and worked abroad and many of the American workers ended up marrying the local women. It was not true the other way around with American women and local men, although I'm sure the local men would've wanted the American women.

So here's the honest answer if you want to be like these "foreign" (your term, ew) women - be more desperate.

Very good point. I have lived overseas most of my adult life.
So many American men marry women overseas. Not true the other way around.

Same here. Have yet to meet any American ex-pats interested in American women. In fact, pretty much everyone avoids them like the plague. Though there always seems to be a small number of locals who like to pump and dump them, probably because they are intrigued by their masculinity.

It’s bc America women have no interest in foreign men. They are all the things American women dislike in American men, but worse. I see no upside to an American woman marrying a foreign man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What always gets me is that if their societies were so much better wouldn't there be an influx of people going to those countries rather than getting people out of them?

Europe has its share of migrants
Perhaps you want to think that everyone wants to immigrate to the US

DP.

Where are the mail order brides or grooms leaving U.S for Europe.

There are more opportunities here for foreigners than they are in Europe.

You are confused
Mail order brides are from former communist bloc countries
And the weird dudes going after them are US born
Though I have heard about Thai mail order brides as well

If you compare women in Europe that are not from post communist countries then they tend to be more educated
In America, up until the 60s a woman still believed she could become a home maker or wife and just do that
In Europe the women entered the workforce much sooner, got voting rights earlier
Here the poverty is more extreme and education is dependent on parental income with regard to quality of schooling
College is also much more affordable

A European man would not agree to fund a stay at home spouse

What are you saying? So many Euro women with 2+ stay at home. I will never understnd why people think that the social policies of countries in western Europe are in support of women. They really believe women belong at home and fund it.

Sahm is more accepted in Europe than the 🇺🇸 true

But very few euro women have 2+ vs American women

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since there are quite a few men, on here and in the wild, who seem to look abroad for romantic relationships and consider foreign or foreign-born women higher value. Since I can’t change my nation of birth, what lessons can I learn from foreign women (any nationality) that make them more appealing?

To address the stereotypes: I’m not fat or even close to it, I’m not bossy, I don’t *think* I act entitled although I can’t really judge that myself, I don’t rant about the “patriarchy,” I don’t have tattoos or blue hair, and I don’t think gender norms are inherently bad.

I lived and worked abroad and many of the American workers ended up marrying the local women. It was not true the other way around with American women and local men, although I'm sure the local men would've wanted the American women.

So here's the honest answer if you want to be like these "foreign" (your term, ew) women - be more desperate.

Very good point. I have lived overseas most of my adult life.
So many American men marry women overseas. Not true the other way around.

Same here. Have yet to meet any American ex-pats interested in American women. In fact, pretty much everyone avoids them like the plague. Though there always seems to be a small number of locals who like to pump and dump them, probably because they are intrigued by their masculinity.

It’s bc America women have no interest in foreign men. They are all the things American women dislike in American men, but worse. I see no upside to an American woman marrying a foreign man.

I’m still shocked that for all the crap American men get now I’m supposed to believe that American women have even lower opinions about foreign men?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Since there are quite a few men, on here and in the wild, who seem to look abroad for romantic relationships and consider foreign or foreign-born women higher value. Since I can’t change my nation of birth, what lessons can I learn from foreign women (any nationality) that make them more appealing?

American women want men who are equal partners, that help around the house, and that value them as people (not just a warm hole). Foreign men are none of these things. American men are a work in progress 😀

To address the stereotypes: I’m not fat or even close to it, I’m not bossy, I don’t *think* I act entitled although I can’t really judge that myself, I don’t rant about the “patriarchy,” I don’t have tattoos or blue hair, and I don’t think gender norms are inherently bad.

I lived and worked abroad and many of the American workers ended up marrying the local women. It was not true the other way around with American women and local men, although I'm sure the local men would've wanted the American women.

So here's the honest answer if you want to be like these "foreign" (your term, ew) women - be more desperate.

Very good point. I have lived overseas most of my adult life.
So many American men marry women overseas. Not true the other way around.

Same here. Have yet to meet any American ex-pats interested in American women. In fact, pretty much everyone avoids them like the plague. Though there always seems to be a small number of locals who like to pump and dump them, probably because they are intrigued by their masculinity.

It’s bc America women have no interest in foreign men. They are all the things American women dislike in American men, but worse. I see no upside to an American woman marrying a foreign man.

I’m still shocked that for all the crap American men get now I’m supposed to believe that American women have even lower opinions about foreign men?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since there are quite a few men, on here and in the wild, who seem to look abroad for romantic relationships and consider foreign or foreign-born women higher value. Since I can’t change my nation of birth, what lessons can I learn from foreign women (any nationality) that make them more appealing?

American women want men who are equal partners, that help around the house, and that value them as people (not just a warm hole). Foreign men are none of these things. American men are a work in progress 😀

To address the stereotypes: I’m not fat or even close to it, I’m not bossy, I don’t *think* I act entitled although I can’t really judge that myself, I don’t rant about the “patriarchy,” I don’t have tattoos or blue hair, and I don’t think gender norms are inherently bad.

I lived and worked abroad and many of the American workers ended up marrying the local women. It was not true the other way around with American women and local men, although I'm sure the local men would've wanted the American women.

So here's the honest answer if you want to be like these "foreign" (your term, ew) women - be more desperate.

Very good point. I have lived overseas most of my adult life.
So many American men marry women overseas. Not true the other way around.

Same here. Have yet to meet any American ex-pats interested in American women. In fact, pretty much everyone avoids them like the plague. Though there always seems to be a small number of locals who like to pump and dump them, probably because they are intrigued by their masculinity.

It’s bc America women have no interest in foreign men. They are all the things American women dislike in American men, but worse. I see no upside to an American woman marrying a foreign man.

I’m still shocked that for all the crap American men get now I’m supposed to believe that American women have even lower opinions about foreign men?

Well of course. Can you imagine what a thread titled "What can American men learn from foreign men?" would look like?
Hint: it wouldn't last 25 pages long.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“ Great Britain never was – and never will be – a European country”

- Robert Tombs

Brits have a complicated relationship with Europeans, but they are still part of Europe.

In business when we look at regions, the UK is part of Europe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting thought experiment- what do you all think would be the responses to a thread titled 'What can foreign women learn from American women?'
I can't think of anything else than 'be able to earn like their US counterparts'.
Though perhaps some men like assertiveness in women?

-Foreign woman

You can learn nothing from them. All foreign women are already perfect angels.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Been with a foreign woman all weekend and what a breath of fresh air!

Initially I kept making sure she wasn't offended by things and she finally said"why are Americans so uptight? That would be exhausting and stressful being offended all the time".

Also readily goes down without and haggling. Completely chill about everything.

The difference is just night and day.

Followed up with an unsolicited back massage.

Night and day...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Been with a foreign woman all weekend and what a breath of fresh air!

Initially I kept making sure she wasn't offended by things and she finally said"why are Americans so uptight? That would be exhausting and stressful being offended all the time".

Also readily goes down without and haggling. Completely chill about everything.

The difference is just night and day.

Followed up with an unsolicited back massage.

Night and day...

Now you are sounding like a grosser. Signed a non-American woman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since there are quite a few men, on here and in the wild, who seem to look abroad for romantic relationships and consider foreign or foreign-born women higher value. Since I can’t change my nation of birth, what lessons can I learn from foreign women (any nationality) that make them more appealing?

American women want men who are equal partners, that help around the house, and that value them as people (not just a warm hole). Foreign men are none of these things. American men are a work in progress 😀

To address the stereotypes: I’m not fat or even close to it, I’m not bossy, I don’t *think* I act entitled although I can’t really judge that myself, I don’t rant about the “patriarchy,” I don’t have tattoos or blue hair, and I don’t think gender norms are inherently bad.

I lived and worked abroad and many of the American workers ended up marrying the local women. It was not true the other way around with American women and local men, although I'm sure the local men would've wanted the American women.

So here's the honest answer if you want to be like these "foreign" (your term, ew) women - be more desperate.

Very good point. I have lived overseas most of my adult life.
So many American men marry women overseas. Not true the other way around.

Same here. Have yet to meet any American ex-pats interested in American women. In fact, pretty much everyone avoids them like the plague. Though there always seems to be a small number of locals who like to pump and dump them, probably because they are intrigued by their masculinity.

It’s bc America women have no interest in foreign men. They are all the things American women dislike in American men, but worse. I see no upside to an American woman marrying a foreign man.

I’m still shocked that for all the crap American men get now I’m supposed to believe that American women have even lower opinions about foreign men?

Yes. We’ve seen it and are not impressed. Sometimes we’re outraged and even grossed out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly

You must be thinking of Asian women. European women tan and drink a lot.

Incorrect. We don't really drink and there is major social shaming for women who abuse alcohol or get drunk. As a woman in Europe, you don't get drunk or fat. Both are unacceptable.
To be fair, I haven't seen a lot of Hispanic or Black women here getting drunk either. It's usually the white women who abuse alcohol - see below for research. And I don't think it's happy drunk either, it's just a coping mechanism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2016/12/23/nine-charts-that-show-how-white-women-are-drinking-themselves-to-death/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/09/1003980966/women-now-drink-as-much-as-men-and-suffer-health-effects-more-quickly

LOL you clearly spent no time near pubs in working class neighborhoods in Britain on a Friday night. Or at cheap Costa Brava resorts.

1. British aren’t really European

When people say europe, mostly they are referring to the mainland

2. People for sure aren’t thinking about British people in the 20 pages of this thread

3. British and American convergence on many metrics is larger than British-mainland convergence

Look at obesity rates and life expectancy. On these metrics British and Americans are closer than either is to say France

If British people “aren’t really European” then what continent do they “really” belong to? This is such a ridiculous argument.

My DH is British, and I just told him that apparently, someone thinks that British people aren't really European, and he gave me the a look, like "WTF"? lol

American women definitely should not learn about geography or who drinks the most from European women.

There used to be a saying in Britain that (approximately) "the Orient begins at the Channel" and Austrians have a saying that "Asia begins at the Landstrasse".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They can learn to take better care of themselves:
- Reduce or eliminate alcoholic beverages
- Wear no-makeup makeup
- Don’t tan
- Move more , not just exercise but more more in general
- Eat a healthy diet
- Don’t walk/drive and eat/drink
- Speak softly

You must be thinking of Asian women. European women tan and drink a lot.

Incorrect. We don't really drink and there is major social shaming for women who abuse alcohol or get drunk. As a woman in Europe, you don't get drunk or fat. Both are unacceptable.
To be fair, I haven't seen a lot of Hispanic or Black women here getting drunk either. It's usually the white women who abuse alcohol - see below for research. And I don't think it's happy drunk either, it's just a coping mechanism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2016/12/23/nine-charts-that-show-how-white-women-are-drinking-themselves-to-death/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/09/1003980966/women-now-drink-as-much-as-men-and-suffer-health-effects-more-quickly

LOL you clearly spent no time near pubs in working class neighborhoods in Britain on a Friday night. Or at cheap Costa Brava resorts.

1. British aren’t really European

When people say europe, mostly they are referring to the mainland

2. People for sure aren’t thinking about British people in the 20 pages of this thread

3. British and American convergence on many metrics is larger than British-mainland convergence

Look at obesity rates and life expectancy. On these metrics British and Americans are closer than either is to say France

If British people “aren’t really European” then what continent do they “really” belong to? This is such a ridiculous argument.

My DH is British, and I just told him that apparently, someone thinks that British people aren't really European, and he gave me the a look, like "WTF"? lol

American women definitely should not learn about geography or who drinks the most from European women.

There used to be a saying in Britain that (approximately) "the Orient begins at the Channel" and Austrians have a saying that "Asia begins at the Landstrasse".

Ding ding ding

This is an educated pp that clearly has read a lot and or traveled

It’s similar to this bit by philosopher Slavoj zizek on “what is Balkan?”

https://youtu.be/3rpEQmtkstM?si=GPavWRJeADTrGx4i