College Football--Big Ten Expansion

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is the University of Oregon reaching out to the Big Ten Conference with an offer to accept a lower payout than the rest of the member schools ?

https://duckswire.usatoday.com/lists/oregon-needs-the-big-ten-but-the-big-ten-might-need-oregon-just-as-badly/

That's a door that I don't think most members want opened. If Oregon is taking less to not be left out, what happens if Ohio Stat starts wondering why Rutgers is getting an equal share? Most members are riding on the coat tails of a few teams and everyone is well aware of the situation. If you introduce unequal payments, then the schools generating the revenue are going to feel free to demand more of it.

Not a problem. Can structure a 6 year plan of increasing payouts until Oregon gets a full share.

But the problem you discuss is a source of real discontent in the ACC as Clemson & FSU are demanding higher payouts than the other ACC conference members in order to be able to stay competitive with SEC & Big Ten football programs.

every conference is seeing what it is doing the the ACC and what it did to the Big12 before. I don't see the Big10 opening that door. At the same time, the SEC hears what Clemson is saying and they have the option of saving them or watching a competitor whither away- I wonder which they'll choose

[Anonymous]

B1G has Shanghai’d the 5 largest media markets

NYC
LA
Chicago
DC Balt
Philly

They don’t need to do anything for a long time. All the schools falling behind are desperately creating self serving drama and spinning nonsense. The Big Ten schools are ready to tone it down and enjoy the massive windfall. Truly a great conference that is cohesive from having a philosophy of generally large public schools with huge research funding. There is a huge question about the limit number of members before there is diminishing returns. 16 appears ok but you get to a point where you can’t play everybody and the payout per school drops. Seems like 18 may be the max. If the Big ten got Notre Dame then they may take Washington and end it. Otherwise stay put or try for Florida and Texas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:B1G has Shanghai’d the 5 largest media markets

NYC
LA
Chicago
DC Balt
Philly

They don’t need to do anything for a long time. All the schools falling behind are desperately creating self serving drama and spinning nonsense. The Big Ten schools are ready to tone it down and enjoy the massive windfall. Truly a great conference that is cohesive from having a philosophy of generally large public schools with huge research funding. There is a huge question about the limit number of members before there is diminishing returns. 16 appears ok but you get to a point where you can’t play everybody and the payout per school drops. Seems like 18 may be the max. If the Big ten got Notre Dame then they may take Washington and end it. Otherwise stay put or try for Florida and Texas.

Dallas, Atlanta, Houston are all bigger MSAs than DC

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Anonymous wrote:In 2036 when the GOR is up the big 12 and ACC will reorganize with teams shifting.

The Big Ten is only interested in Florida, Texas and Notre Dame at this point. The money per school is reduced with any other schools. Oregon, Washington or Arizona May be considered just to help geographically and maybe not lose too much money per school.

Colorado, Stanford, Cal, Arizona, Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona State, Iowa State, San Diego St, Byu, Utah, Kansas, Nevada, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, West Virginia, Connecticut, Texas Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, NC state, Virginia
Tech, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pitt,

Will form a 28 team coast to coast conference.
It will be nice with an east and west divisions
The Dukes of the world will join the Big East.

The Big Ten and SEC will pull away money-wise. The Big Ten with huge alumni bases has adopted an NFL model rolling teams through major markets with huge big ten alumni populations….a genius strategy.

Interesting thought. Probably accurate, but the Big Ten will offer U Oregon & U Washington to solidify west coast markets & to ease travel burden for USC & UCLA while preserving rivalries among those west coast schools.

Would be very difficult to pull U Florida from the SEC. Equally difficult to pull Texas into a conference without arch-rival U Oklahoma.

Notre Dame is the available & most coveted target school.

If Big Ten offers U Washington & U Oregon, then adds Notre Dame, which would be the fourth additional school invited to join the Big Ten ? (Would the Big Ten Conference entice Notre Dame to join by allowing ND to name one of its rivals as the fourth school ?)

Could Texas be persuaded ?

Could U Florida get mad at SEC for admitting FSU and/or U Miami and leave for the Big Ten Conference ?

Florida and Texas could be persuaded.. the big ten already pays more money than the SEC and has greater academic rep. Both those schools fit culturally.

But the travel is crazy for many sports.

I guess it will suck to be a UCLA lacrosse player. I guess the beach volley ball team will go independent or will it just get cut?

UCLA beach volleyball team will continue just as the Notre Dame ice hockey team plays in the Big Ten Conference.

https://uclabruins.com/sports/womens-beach-volleyball/schedule/2023

Who knew that Georgia State has a women's beach volleyball team ?

Also, Oregon, Stanford, & Cal may join the Big Ten Conference.

Big10 doesn't have beach volleyball. The only local conference is the Pac 12 and they don't have much reason to help UCLA and USC out

Examine UCLA & Georgia State beach volleyball schedules. Lots of non-Pac-12 teams.

https://georgiastatesports.com/sports/womens-beach-volleyball/schedule/2023

Lots of nice trips to Gulf Shores, Alabama and to Hawaii and to Charleston, SC

Title IX.

Their travel corresponds to the Sun Belt schedule because that's the conference the play in. I don't see how that helps UCLA find a conference

Georgia State plays in tournaments that include teams from many conferences. GSU plays Hawaii, USC, UCLA, ASU, and many other non-conference opponents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the University of Oregon reaching out to the Big Ten Conference with an offer to accept a lower payout than the rest of the member schools ?

https://duckswire.usatoday.com/lists/oregon-needs-the-big-ten-but-the-big-ten-might-need-oregon-just-as-badly/

Lol at an Oregon blogger arguing that the Big10 needs Oregon.

No reason to laugh as bloggers often serve as mouthpieces for the university.

Chicago's Frank-The-Tank played a significant role in the last Big Ten Conference expansion.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-973059-post-19017644.html

Click on the link to see Jim Delaney's comments.

(This was about the same time that Frank The Tank invited me to join his blog.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:B1G has Shanghai’d the 5 largest media markets

NYC
LA
Chicago
DC Balt
Philly

They don’t need to do anything for a long time. All the schools falling behind are desperately creating self serving drama and spinning nonsense. The Big Ten schools are ready to tone it down and enjoy the massive windfall. Truly a great conference that is cohesive from having a philosophy of generally large public schools with huge research funding. There is a huge question about the limit number of members before there is diminishing returns. 16 appears ok but you get to a point where you can’t play everybody and the payout per school drops. Seems like 18 may be the max. If the Big ten got Notre Dame then they may take Washington and end it. Otherwise stay put or try for Florida and Texas.

Dallas, Atlanta, Houston are all bigger MSAs than DC

DC Balt PMSA is larger.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley and Stanford for sure. The prestige is too great and there will be a need for most west coast teams. The other three will be top schools in the east. UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami (if they clean up their act) for example.

Nothing sure about the Big Ten Conference extending offers to either Stanford or to UCal-Berkeley. In fact, UCLA has an agreement to pay UCal-Berkeley several million dollars in a deal brokered by the regents of the state of California for the harm caused to Berkeley's athletic dept. by UCLA's move to a different conference. Payment was probably necessary because--at that time--the Big Ten Conference did not want UCAl-Berkeley. Actually, the Big Ten Conference wanted just USC & Notre Dame, but ND refused the offer so cash strapped UCLA jumped at the chance to join USC in a move from the Pac-12 to the Big Ten Conference.

Stanford might be an attractive lure for Notre Dame due to the ND-Stanford rivalry[i][u].

What? No. USC would have been the lure, not Stanford. The ND-USC rivalry is far stronger and longer than ND-Stanford.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:B1G has Shanghai’d the 5 largest media markets

NYC
LA
Chicago
DC Balt
Philly

They don’t need to do anything for a long time. All the schools falling behind are desperately creating self serving drama and spinning nonsense. The Big Ten schools are ready to tone it down and enjoy the massive windfall. Truly a great conference that is cohesive from having a philosophy of generally large public schools with huge research funding. There is a huge question about the limit number of members before there is diminishing returns. 16 appears ok but you get to a point where you can’t play everybody and the payout per school drops. Seems like 18 may be the max. If the Big ten got Notre Dame then they may take Washington and end it. Otherwise stay put or try for Florida and Texas.

Dallas, Atlanta, Houston are all bigger MSAs than DC

DC Balt PMSA is larger.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_stations_in_North_America_by_media_market

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:B1G has Shanghai’d the 5 largest media markets

NYC
LA
Chicago
DC Balt
Philly

They don’t need to do anything for a long time. All the schools falling behind are desperately creating self serving drama and spinning nonsense. The Big Ten schools are ready to tone it down and enjoy the massive windfall. Truly a great conference that is cohesive from having a philosophy of generally large public schools with huge research funding. There is a huge question about the limit number of members before there is diminishing returns. 16 appears ok but you get to a point where you can’t play everybody and the payout per school drops. Seems like 18 may be the max. If the Big ten got Notre Dame then they may take Washington and end it. Otherwise stay put or try for Florida and Texas.

Dallas, Atlanta, Houston are all bigger MSAs than DC

DC Balt PMSA is larger.

In that case, Philly drops to 8 and the big 10 is still missing 5, 6, and 7 (probably 8 too because Philly is shrinking and Houston at 9 is growing)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Berkeley and Stanford for sure. The prestige is too great and there will be a need for most west coast teams. The other three will be top schools in the east. UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami (if they clean up their act) for example.

Nothing sure about the Big Ten Conference extending offers to either Stanford or to UCal-Berkeley. In fact, UCLA has an agreement to pay UCal-Berkeley several million dollars in a deal brokered by the regents of the state of California for the harm caused to Berkeley's athletic dept. by UCLA's move to a different conference. Payment was probably necessary because--at that time--the Big Ten Conference did not want UCAl-Berkeley. Actually, the Big Ten Conference wanted just USC & Notre Dame, but ND refused the offer so cash strapped UCLA jumped at the chance to join USC in a move from the Pac-12 to the Big Ten Conference.

Stanford might be an attractive lure for Notre Dame due to the ND-Stanford rivalry[i][u].

What? No. USC would have been the lure, not Stanford. The ND-USC rivalry is far stronger and longer than ND-Stanford.

The lure would be if ND can no longer schedule traditional opponents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Berkeley and Stanford for sure. The prestige is too great and there will be a need for most west coast teams. The other three will be top schools in the east. UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami (if they clean up their act) for example.

Nothing sure about the Big Ten Conference extending offers to either Stanford or to UCal-Berkeley. In fact, UCLA has an agreement to pay UCal-Berkeley several million dollars in a deal brokered by the regents of the state of California for the harm caused to Berkeley's athletic dept. by UCLA's move to a different conference. Payment was probably necessary because--at that time--the Big Ten Conference did not want UCAl-Berkeley. Actually, the Big Ten Conference wanted just USC & Notre Dame, but ND refused the offer so cash strapped UCLA jumped at the chance to join USC in a move from the Pac-12 to the Big Ten Conference.

Stanford might be an attractive lure for Notre Dame due to the ND-Stanford rivalry[i][u].

What? No. USC would have been the lure, not Stanford. The ND-USC rivalry is far stronger and longer than ND-Stanford.

USC was the lure that failed so the Big Ten Conference invited UCLA since ND said no.

But, the point is that as many rivals of Notre Dame are and become members of the Big Ten Conference, Notre Dame will run into scheduling problems as large conferences require more in-conference opponents; this is why USC joined the Big Ten Conference with the stipulation that it (USC) be allowed to play Notre Dame each year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Berkeley and Stanford for sure. The prestige is too great and there will be a need for most west coast teams. The other three will be top schools in the east. UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami (if they clean up their act) for example.

Nothing sure about the Big Ten Conference extending offers to either Stanford or to UCal-Berkeley. In fact, UCLA has an agreement to pay UCal-Berkeley several million dollars in a deal brokered by the regents of the state of California for the harm caused to Berkeley's athletic dept. by UCLA's move to a different conference. Payment was probably necessary because--at that time--the Big Ten Conference did not want UCAl-Berkeley. Actually, the Big Ten Conference wanted just USC & Notre Dame, but ND refused the offer so cash strapped UCLA jumped at the chance to join USC in a move from the Pac-12 to the Big Ten Conference.

Stanford might be an attractive lure for Notre Dame due to the ND-Stanford rivalry[i][u].

What? No. USC would have been the lure, not Stanford. The ND-USC rivalry is far stronger and longer than ND-Stanford.

The lure would be if ND can no longer schedule traditional opponents.

Correct.

[Anonymous]

Believe it or not, one of Notre Dame's most cherished traditional rivals in football is Navy (the US Naval Academy).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:B1G has Shanghai’d the 5 largest media markets

NYC
LA
Chicago
DC Balt
Philly

They don’t need to do anything for a long time. All the schools falling behind are desperately creating self serving drama and spinning nonsense. The Big Ten schools are ready to tone it down and enjoy the massive windfall. Truly a great conference that is cohesive from having a philosophy of generally large public schools with huge research funding. There is a huge question about the limit number of members before there is diminishing returns. 16 appears ok but you get to a point where you can’t play everybody and the payout per school drops. Seems like 18 may be the max. If the Big ten got Notre Dame then they may take Washington and end it. Otherwise stay put or try for Florida and Texas.

Dallas, Atlanta, Houston are all bigger MSAs than DC

DC Balt PMSA is larger.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_stations_in_North_America_by_media_market

That split out Baltimore. Combined area is larger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Berkeley and Stanford for sure. The prestige is too great and there will be a need for most west coast teams. The other three will be top schools in the east. UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami (if they clean up their act) for example.

Nothing sure about the Big Ten Conference extending offers to either Stanford or to UCal-Berkeley. In fact, UCLA has an agreement to pay UCal-Berkeley several million dollars in a deal brokered by the regents of the state of California for the harm caused to Berkeley's athletic dept. by UCLA's move to a different conference. Payment was probably necessary because--at that time--the Big Ten Conference did not want UCAl-Berkeley. Actually, the Big Ten Conference wanted just USC & Notre Dame, but ND refused the offer so cash strapped UCLA jumped at the chance to join USC in a move from the Pac-12 to the Big Ten Conference.

Stanford might be an attractive lure for Notre Dame due to the ND-Stanford rivalry[i][u].

What? No. USC would have been the lure, not Stanford. The ND-USC rivalry is far stronger and longer than ND-Stanford.

USC was the lure that failed so the Big Ten Conference invited UCLA since ND said no.

But, the point is that as many rivals of Notre Dame are and become members of the Big Ten Conference, Notre Dame will run into scheduling problems as large conferences require more in-conference opponents; this is why USC joined the Big Ten Conference with the stipulation that it (USC) be allowed to play Notre Dame each year.

I absolutely agree with that. And Stanford has nothing to do with it. If the ACC collapses so they need a home for other sports, or if enough teams stop scheduling ND, that's when it will join the Big 10. Whatever The Tree school does won't have any impact.