Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.

https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language

The author of the article cites a few Washington DC schools:
“Georgetown Day and Sidwell Friends here in D.C..”

It doesn’t seem like any of these schools hide the fact that they embrace diversity and equity , etc. I think it’s great that many schools are embracing these things. If a person doesn’t like a school’s ideologies they can obviously pick other schools..

It’s about more than embracing diversity and equity. It really is o er the top breeding of social justice warriors to a ridiculous degree—only for the most privileged trust fund children who can afford it, natch. I’m a liberal btw.

Lets not go too far here. They may embrace diversity, but their entire existence is premised on helping their students avoid equitable outcomes.

Precisely. Don’t get carried away.

These schools would do much better to teach their students the truth which is that every wealthy society and sector of society has gotten there by exploiting another class or nationality or strata of people; that cheap labor is the foundation of prosperity for a minority; that historically the cheap labor has been black and brown people and women (and also poor white people); and that they are on a proving ground / training ground for becoming overlords themselves.

Not this nonsense that any Western society has ever achieved excellence while not also building on a foundation of abuse, bc it just isn’t true.

No no no.

Much more manipulative and powerful to never teach context or ways of the times or what was paralleling in Asia or the Incas or tribal Africa and solely focus on Evil Whites who Came to North America. They invented slavery and indentured servitude and crop sharing and economics and trade and the caste system and bloodline royalty and taxes and schooling. None of that existed anywhere in any society ever before. Certainly not for 1000s or years everywhere else. And certainly no where today….

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.

https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language

The author of the article cites a few Washington DC schools:
“Georgetown Day and Sidwell Friends here in D.C..”

It doesn’t seem like any of these schools hide the fact that they embrace diversity and equity , etc. I think it’s great that many schools are embracing these things. If a person doesn’t like a school’s ideologies they can obviously pick other schools..

It’s about more than embracing diversity and equity. It really is o er the top breeding of social justice warriors to a ridiculous degree—only for the most privileged trust fund children who can afford it, natch. I’m a liberal btw.

Lets not go too far here. They may embrace diversity, but their entire existence is premised on helping their students avoid equitable outcomes.

Precisely. Don’t get carried away.

These schools would do much better to teach their students the truth which is that every wealthy society and sector of society has gotten there by exploiting another class or nationality or strata of people; that cheap labor is the foundation of prosperity for a minority; that historically the cheap labor has been black and brown people and women (and also poor white people); and that they are on a proving ground / training ground for becoming overlords themselves.

Not this nonsense that any Western society has ever achieved excellence while not also building on a foundation of abuse, bc it just isn’t true.

You think woke prep schools teach kids that there is a Western society that was not built on a foundation of abuse? Which society? What are you talking about

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you to everyone who has been pushing back in this discussion and elsewhere. I am not sure how to pierce through the insanity that has captures so much of the education establishment, but it needs to happen. A significant course correction is necessary for the sanity and education of today’s students and society generally.

The left seems to be suffering from some sort of mass psychosis. They need to wakeup or be removed from positions of influence.

Oh, think of the children!

Yes, actually. This is a school forum. Children are actually what the focus is here. The fact that you mock that idea says everything—you are more concerned with pushing some objectionable gender or racial ideology than you are with what is actually good for kids. You shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near kids, including own, if you even have any.

You want to take away people’s kids bc their political views are different from yours? But the progressives are the ones we need to fear.

This is a topic for its own thread. I agree with you that girls competing against trans girls is the height of lunacy.

Keep politics out of schools.

It IS this simple.

Keep politics and indoctrination out of schools, you Evangelists and Wokes and Scientologists and Communists.

Schools are for Education.

You don’t even know what any of what you said means. Just capitalizing random words like your orange god.

Views of history and society they agree with are “education”; views they disagree with are “politics”

Need more schooling on fact versus opinion. reporting vs OpEd.

Mmmhmm. For example, “opinions” like African American history, which Ron DeSantis has banned from Florida schools before it can brainwash anyone into thinking about slavery and its legacy. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/01/19/politics/ron-desantis-ap-african-american-studies/index.html

Right, DeSantis’ approach is stupid and frankly absurd. Kids should be able to confront uncomfortable opinions in school. But that also should hold true for ideas the progressives hold as orthodoxy. I do not understand how as a culture we seem to have collectively agreed that kids should go through life never encountering an idea that makes them the slightest bit uncomfortable. There is very little air between what DeSantis is doing and the “safe spaces” academic progressives demand.

What topics or issues are being rejected for conversation or debate by progressives?

I think almost anything having to do with gender ideology, for starters. The example above of the girl track athlete who says in debate class that she does not think it is fair or just that she is pitted against pre-medical-transition trans girls on the track is not a far-fetched hypothetical. She would likely face disciplinary measures in many private schools for just saying that, even in debate classes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.

https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language

The author of the article cites a few Washington DC schools:
“Georgetown Day and Sidwell Friends here in D.C..”

It doesn’t seem like any of these schools hide the fact that they embrace diversity and equity , etc. I think it’s great that many schools are embracing these things. If a person doesn’t like a school’s ideologies they can obviously pick other schools..

It’s about more than embracing diversity and equity. It really is o er the top breeding of social justice warriors to a ridiculous degree—only for the most privileged trust fund children who can afford it, natch. I’m a liberal btw.

Lets not go too far here. They may embrace diversity, but their entire existence is premised on helping their students avoid equitable outcomes.

Precisely. Don’t get carried away.

These schools would do much better to teach their students the truth which is that every wealthy society and sector of society has gotten there by exploiting another class or nationality or strata of people; that cheap labor is the foundation of prosperity for a minority; that historically the cheap labor has been black and brown people and women (and also poor white people); and that they are on a proving ground / training ground for becoming overlords themselves.

Not this nonsense that any Western society has ever achieved excellence while not also building on a foundation of abuse, bc it just isn’t true.

You think woke prep schools teach kids that there is a Western society that was not built on a foundation of abuse? Which society? What are you talking about

The point is that they are teaching it as if it’s possible to maintain a capitalist society without an exploited and oppressed underclass. It isn’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.

https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language

You have a "foreign background" and feel foreign. Is that unusual?

I am a well-educated American who attended an elite prep school, college and professional school and I also find it way OTT. People are being taught to substitute emotion for critical thinking, that’s the bottom line. WAY too much coddling and overprotection of potential hurt feelings and a willingness, a conviction even, that what was once a marketplace of ideas and multiplicity of viewpoints needs to be curated and used as a platform for advocacy—silencing “undesirables” with coercion instead of civil discourse. It’s happening at all levels of academic, from elite prep schools though college and in academic publishing too.

No one is “silenced” but people don’t have to give a platform to racists, misogynists, liars, traitors, enemies of the state, etc.

Sadly, there is no distinction between someone’s opinion of what is unreasoned racism or misogyny and what actually is. If a scholar is credentialed, vetted and peer reviewed, and they have actual reasoning and not just prejudice, they should be able to publish their unpopular opinion without being boxed out by entitled independently wealthy liberal arts grads in their 20s and 30s who think that they have the right to control the “platform” and be arbiters of our culture. It’s plain wrong.

No. It’s pretty clear when it’s racism, sexism, etc.

“Alternate facts” aren’t facts.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.

https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language

You have a "foreign background" and feel foreign. Is that unusual?

I am a well-educated American who attended an elite prep school, college and professional school and I also find it way OTT. People are being taught to substitute emotion for critical thinking, that’s the bottom line. WAY too much coddling and overprotection of potential hurt feelings and a willingness, a conviction even, that what was once a marketplace of ideas and multiplicity of viewpoints needs to be curated and used as a platform for advocacy—silencing “undesirables” with coercion instead of civil discourse. It’s happening at all levels of academic, from elite prep schools though college and in academic publishing too.

No one is “silenced” but people don’t have to give a platform to racists, misogynists, liars, traitors, enemies of the state, etc.

Sadly, there is no distinction between someone’s opinion of what is unreasoned racism or misogyny and what actually is. If a scholar is credentialed, vetted and peer reviewed, and they have actual reasoning and not just prejudice, they should be able to publish their unpopular opinion without being boxed out by entitled independently wealthy liberal arts grads in their 20s and 30s who think that they have the right to control the “platform” and be arbiters of our culture. It’s plain wrong.

I generally agree that people are afraid to deviate from the prevailing view in their field - conservatives too, like the politicians who pretend that climate change isn't real even though they clearly know it is - but in academia the prevailing view is usually progressive and it's true that many academics self-censor to avoid criticism.

However, it's nothing new that people avoid publishing controversial opinions to stay in good with the establishment. Some people are willing to risk it, some aren't. And I think people hugely overstate the consequences of getting "boxed out" as you put it - "canceled" people generally find places for themselves in more conservative institutions, or just lay low for a bit and go back to their jobs, or at worst, become a Fox News cancel culture commentator. No one is getting thrown in jail for criticizing modern ideas about race and gender - in fact it's a solid career path for many

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.

https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language

The author of the article cites a few Washington DC schools:
“Georgetown Day and Sidwell Friends here in D.C..”

It doesn’t seem like any of these schools hide the fact that they embrace diversity and equity , etc. I think it’s great that many schools are embracing these things. If a person doesn’t like a school’s ideologies they can obviously pick other schools..

It’s about more than embracing diversity and equity. It really is o er the top breeding of social justice warriors to a ridiculous degree—only for the most privileged trust fund children who can afford it, natch. I’m a liberal btw.

Lets not go too far here. They may embrace diversity, but their entire existence is premised on helping their students avoid equitable outcomes.

Precisely. Don’t get carried away.

These schools would do much better to teach their students the truth which is that every wealthy society and sector of society has gotten there by exploiting another class or nationality or strata of people; that cheap labor is the foundation of prosperity for a minority; that historically the cheap labor has been black and brown people and women (and also poor white people); and that they are on a proving ground / training ground for becoming overlords themselves.

Not this nonsense that any Western society has ever achieved excellence while not also building on a foundation of abuse, bc it just isn’t true.

No no no.

Much more manipulative and powerful to never teach context or ways of the times or what was paralleling in Asia or the Incas or tribal Africa and solely focus on Evil Whites who Came to North America. They invented slavery and indentured servitude and crop sharing and economics and trade and the caste system and bloodline royalty and taxes and schooling. None of that existed anywhere in any society ever before. Certainly not for 1000s or years everywhere else. And certainly no where today….

Great point.

The Aztecs were essentially the Nazis of the 15th century. So when a few years ago the new (far left) Mexican President came to power and asked Spain for historic apologies and reparations for having conquered Mexico, you know what happened?

Many non-Aztec Mexican groups attacked the President. Why? Because it was THEM, with just some aid by the newbies, who had defeated the Nazi Aztecs who had killed thousands and thousands of their children and enslaved thousands and thousands more.

You won't learn in US textbooks oh no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump university is now considered more rigorous than Brown or Dartmouth.

LOL.

What dumba$$ actually paid money for that crap?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.

https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language

The author of the article cites a few Washington DC schools:
“Georgetown Day and Sidwell Friends here in D.C..”

It doesn’t seem like any of these schools hide the fact that they embrace diversity and equity , etc. I think it’s great that many schools are embracing these things. If a person doesn’t like a school’s ideologies they can obviously pick other schools..

It’s about more than embracing diversity and equity. It really is o er the top breeding of social justice warriors to a ridiculous degree—only for the most privileged trust fund children who can afford it, natch. I’m a liberal btw.

Also true.

And good look learning any meso-American history in schools or college.
Lets not go too far here. They may embrace diversity, but their entire existence is premised on helping their students avoid equitable outcomes.

Precisely. Don’t get carried away.

These schools would do much better to teach their students the truth which is that every wealthy society and sector of society has gotten there by exploiting another class or nationality or strata of people; that cheap labor is the foundation of prosperity for a minority; that historically the cheap labor has been black and brown people and women (and also poor white people); and that they are on a proving ground / training ground for becoming overlords themselves.

Not this nonsense that any Western society has ever achieved excellence while not also building on a foundation of abuse, bc it just isn’t true.

No no no.

Much more manipulative and powerful to never teach context or ways of the times or what was paralleling in Asia or the Incas or tribal Africa and solely focus on Evil Whites who Came to North America. They invented slavery and indentured servitude and crop sharing and economics and trade and the caste system and bloodline royalty and taxes and schooling. None of that existed anywhere in any society ever before. Certainly not for 1000s or years everywhere else. And certainly no where today….

Great point.

The Aztecs were essentially the Nazis of the 15th century. So when a few years ago the new (far left) Mexican President came to power and asked Spain for historic apologies and reparations for having conquered Mexico, you know what happened?

Many non-Aztec Mexican groups attacked the President. Why? Because it was THEM, with just some aid by the newbies, who had defeated the Nazi Aztecs who had killed thousands and thousands of their children and enslaved thousands and thousands more.

You won't learn in US textbooks oh no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.

https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language

The author of the article cites a few Washington DC schools:
“Georgetown Day and Sidwell Friends here in D.C..”

It doesn’t seem like any of these schools hide the fact that they embrace diversity and equity , etc. I think it’s great that many schools are embracing these things. If a person doesn’t like a school’s ideologies they can obviously pick other schools..

It’s about more than embracing diversity and equity. It really is o er the top breeding of social justice warriors to a ridiculous degree—only for the most privileged trust fund children who can afford it, natch. I’m a liberal btw.

Lets not go too far here. They may embrace diversity, but their entire existence is premised on helping their students avoid equitable outcomes.

Precisely. Don’t get carried away.

These schools would do much better to teach their students the truth which is that every wealthy society and sector of society has gotten there by exploiting another class or nationality or strata of people; that cheap labor is the foundation of prosperity for a minority; that historically the cheap labor has been black and brown people and women (and also poor white people); and that they are on a proving ground / training ground for becoming overlords themselves.

Not this nonsense that any Western society has ever achieved excellence while not also building on a foundation of abuse, bc it just isn’t true.

You think woke prep schools teach kids that there is a Western society that was not built on a foundation of abuse? Which society? What are you talking about

The point is that they are teaching it as if it’s possible to maintain a capitalist society without an exploited and oppressed underclass. It isn’t.

Are they teaching that? I guess I will have to take your word for it. I didn't go to an elite prep school but the ivy I attended was very critical of capitalism. Those institutions are full of socialist/Marxist professors. It's hypocritical obviously - silver spoon socialists are a cliche for a reason. But I don't think the hypocrisy of it is holding them back, unless things have changed since my day

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.

https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language

The author of the article cites a few Washington DC schools:
“Georgetown Day and Sidwell Friends here in D.C..”

It doesn’t seem like any of these schools hide the fact that they embrace diversity and equity , etc. I think it’s great that many schools are embracing these things. If a person doesn’t like a school’s ideologies they can obviously pick other schools..

It’s about more than embracing diversity and equity. It really is o er the top breeding of social justice warriors to a ridiculous degree—only for the most privileged trust fund children who can afford it, natch. I’m a liberal btw.

Lets not go too far here. They may embrace diversity, but their entire existence is premised on helping their students avoid equitable outcomes.

Precisely. Don’t get carried away.

These schools would do much better to teach their students the truth which is that every wealthy society and sector of society has gotten there by exploiting another class or nationality or strata of people; that cheap labor is the foundation of prosperity for a minority; that historically the cheap labor has been black and brown people and women (and also poor white people); and that they are on a proving ground / training ground for becoming overlords themselves.

Not this nonsense that any Western society has ever achieved excellence while not also building on a foundation of abuse, bc it just isn’t true.

You think woke prep schools teach kids that there is a Western society that was not built on a foundation of abuse? Which society? What are you talking about

The point is that they are teaching it as if it’s possible to maintain a capitalist society without an exploited and oppressed underclass. It isn’t.

Are they teaching that? I guess I will have to take your word for it. I didn't go to an elite prep school but the ivy I attended was very critical of capitalism. Those institutions are full of socialist/Marxist professors. It's hypocritical obviously - silver spoon socialists are a cliche for a reason. But I don't think the hypocrisy of it is holding them back, unless things have changed since my day

Correct. It worked so well infiltrating the college system that they’re doing it in k-12.

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https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-op-1219-dei-higher-education-20211217-urqttlubcrgjbg5dgjho4o76l4-story.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.

https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language

The author of the article cites a few Washington DC schools:
“Georgetown Day and Sidwell Friends here in D.C..”

It doesn’t seem like any of these schools hide the fact that they embrace diversity and equity , etc. I think it’s great that many schools are embracing these things. If a person doesn’t like a school’s ideologies they can obviously pick other schools..

It’s about more than embracing diversity and equity. It really is o er the top breeding of social justice warriors to a ridiculous degree—only for the most privileged trust fund children who can afford it, natch. I’m a liberal btw.

Lets not go too far here. They may embrace diversity, but their entire existence is premised on helping their students avoid equitable outcomes.

Precisely. Don’t get carried away.

These schools would do much better to teach their students the truth which is that every wealthy society and sector of society has gotten there by exploiting another class or nationality or strata of people; that cheap labor is the foundation of prosperity for a minority; that historically the cheap labor has been black and brown people and women (and also poor white people); and that they are on a proving ground / training ground for becoming overlords themselves.

Not this nonsense that any Western society has ever achieved excellence while not also building on a foundation of abuse, bc it just isn’t true.

No no no.

Much more manipulative and powerful to never teach context or ways of the times or what was paralleling in Asia or the Incas or tribal Africa and solely focus on Evil Whites who Came to North America. They invented slavery and indentured servitude and crop sharing and economics and trade and the caste system and bloodline royalty and taxes and schooling. None of that existed anywhere in any society ever before. Certainly not for 1000s or years everywhere else. And certainly no where today….

Great point.

The Aztecs were essentially the Nazis of the 15th century. So when a few years ago the new (far left) Mexican President came to power and asked Spain for historic apologies and reparations for having conquered Mexico, you know what happened?

Many non-Aztec Mexican groups attacked the President. Why? Because it was THEM, with just some aid by the newbies, who had defeated the Nazi Aztecs who had killed thousands and thousands of their children and enslaved thousands and thousands more.

You won't learn in US textbooks oh no.

US textbooks should cover atrocities committed by indigenous residents of 15th century Mexico?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.

https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language

You have a "foreign background" and feel foreign. Is that unusual?

I am a well-educated American who attended an elite prep school, college and professional school and I also find it way OTT. People are being taught to substitute emotion for critical thinking, that’s the bottom line. WAY too much coddling and overprotection of potential hurt feelings and a willingness, a conviction even, that what was once a marketplace of ideas and multiplicity of viewpoints needs to be curated and used as a platform for advocacy—silencing “undesirables” with coercion instead of civil discourse. It’s happening at all levels of academic, from elite prep schools though college and in academic publishing too.

No one is “silenced” but people don’t have to give a platform to racists, misogynists, liars, traitors, enemies of the state, etc.

People are routinely silenced on here! Their posts are deleted when deemed not PC by a subjective moderator.

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Especially when the commentary is about Maret