Why are teachers and nurses underpaid?

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers and nurses is SoCal make about $100k a year.

Starting salaries?

Salaries for public sector jobs are quite high in California. Plus, there are many incentives for hard-to-fill jobs. Go to the Transparent California website.

You know that most school districts post their salary schedules right on their websites, right? So you don't need to make things up. Here's San Diego as an example.

A first year teacher with a bachelor's in San Diego Unified makes $50,700. 15 years and a master's degree later, you're up to $79k. You'd have to do 30 credits beyond a master's to ever break $100k, and that's only after you've put in 25+ years.

San Francisco? https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZOLlnHJ2OHZN3TuaVXkyMulp67FO4DtV You start at $63k. A 15 year veteran with a master's makes $81k. Want to break $100k? You'll need an MA+60 for that, plus 20 years of experience.

I have lived in both San Diego and San Francisco before. Very very very difficult to live in the cities on those salaries.

[Anonymous]

Forgot the link for San Diego Unified: https://www.sandiegounified.org/departments/human_resources/salary_schedules

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who needs facts when you have conjecture?

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Why can't teachers get paid like Google Software Engineer?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers and nurses is SoCal make about $100k a year.

Starting salaries?

Salaries for public sector jobs are quite high in California. Plus, there are many incentives for hard-to-fill jobs. Go to the Transparent California website.

You know that most school districts post their salary schedules right on their websites, right? So you don't need to make things up. Here's San Diego as an example.

A first year teacher with a bachelor's in San Diego Unified makes $50,700. 15 years and a master's degree later, you're up to $79k. You'd have to do 30 credits beyond a master's to ever break $100k, and that's only after you've put in 25+ years.

San Francisco? https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZOLlnHJ2OHZN3TuaVXkyMulp67FO4DtV You start at $63k. A 15 year veteran with a master's makes $81k. Want to break $100k? You'll need an MA+60 for that, plus 20 years of experience.

I have lived in both San Diego and San Francisco before. Very very very difficult to live in the cities on those salaries.

Here are teachers salaries ($100K+) for two random school district in SoCal:

https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2020/school-districts/orange/cypress-elementary/job_title_summary/?page=1

https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2020/school-districts/orange/irvine-unified/job_title_summary/?page=4

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers and nurses is SoCal make about $100k a year.

Starting salaries?

Salaries for public sector jobs are quite high in California. Plus, there are many incentives for hard-to-fill jobs. Go to the Transparent California website.

You know that most school districts post their salary schedules right on their websites, right? So you don't need to make things up. Here's San Diego as an example.

A first year teacher with a bachelor's in San Diego Unified makes $50,700. 15 years and a master's degree later, you're up to $79k. You'd have to do 30 credits beyond a master's to ever break $100k, and that's only after you've put in 25+ years.

San Francisco? https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZOLlnHJ2OHZN3TuaVXkyMulp67FO4DtV You start at $63k. A 15 year veteran with a master's makes $81k. Want to break $100k? You'll need an MA+60 for that, plus 20 years of experience.

I have lived in both San Diego and San Francisco before. Very very very difficult to live in the cities on those salaries.

Here are teachers salaries ($100K+) for two random school district in SoCal:

https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2020/school-districts/orange/cypress-elementary/job_title_summary/?page=1

https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2020/school-districts/orange/irvine-unified/job_title_summary/?page=4

does that not affirm my point? on that first list, there is exactly one teacher who makes more than $100k.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why can't teachers get paid like Google Software Engineer?

are they going to work the hours of google software engineers? are they going to go through the rigid hiring processes and get the education of google software engineers?

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there are lots of software engineers who are not paid like google software engineers.

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Anonymous wrote:there are lots of software engineers who are not paid like google software engineers.

yup again the problem with these professions is everyone is paid the same regardless of skill/outcomes.

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are not underpaid.

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Geez. Then why are so many places looking to hire nurses, and perpetually short of staff? Nursing is an intense cognitive, physical, and psychological challenge. At least bedside is, and that’s the main places nurses are underpaid, as evidenced by the failure to retain experienced staff. But let’s just pump out more new nurses, so we can continue having nurses work bedside for 2-3 years and then leave the profession or, sometimes, that practice area.

Nobody thinks they need to care until they’re surprised to have a loved one in the hospital and then, believe me, the shortage of experienced staff will impact you negatively. Nurse, who had a loved one hospitalized this summer.

Most bedside nursing isn't rocket science and is not an intense cognitive chalenge. ICUs at academic medical centers, maybe. But floor nursing, no.

I wonder if this is the same poster who was quick to insult teachers earlier in the thread. It’s the same MO: insult the intellect of people in the profession. I’m not a nurse, but I have no difficulty imagining how challenging bedside nursing must be. Nurses on this thread, please ignore the PP. Most of us respect the challenge of your job and are grateful you do it.

Or she’s an ICU nurse. Some have big egos/look down on other specialities.

most likely a SAHM who's still zesty about being home with her kids so much in 2020.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't teachers get paid like Google Software Engineer?

are they going to work the hours of google software engineers? are they going to go through the rigid hiring processes and get the education of google software engineers?

I’m fairly confident I work similar hours. I worked 65 last week and will likely work more this week since papers just came in. I definitely have the education (2 advanced degrees).

Here’s the problem with your 3rd point: we can’t fill positions NOW. Our standards for entering this profession are pretty low, and we still can’t find people who want to teach. I suppose we can make an argument that raising standards will attract people because they’ll see teaching as a prestigious career. What comes first, though? How do we raise the bar for entering the profession without first making it more appealing?

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because it’s a predominantly female profession.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s because they have been primarily female professions. Of course, if men started getting into it, then the salaries would increase.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't teachers get paid like Google Software Engineer?

are they going to work the hours of google software engineers? are they going to go through the rigid hiring processes and get the education of google software engineers?

I’m fairly confident I work similar hours. I worked 65 last week and will likely work more this week since papers just came in. I definitely have the education (2 advanced degrees).

Here’s the problem with your 3rd point: we can’t fill positions NOW. Our standards for entering this profession are pretty low, and we still can’t find people who want to teach. I suppose we can make an argument that raising standards will attract people because they’ll see teaching as a prestigious career. What comes first, though? How do we raise the bar for entering the profession without first making it more appealing?

I am going to side eye your hours a week 52 weeks a year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't teachers get paid like Google Software Engineer?

are they going to work the hours of google software engineers? are they going to go through the rigid hiring processes and get the education of google software engineers?

I’m fairly confident I work similar hours. I worked 65 last week and will likely work more this week since papers just came in. I definitely have the education (2 advanced degrees).

Here’s the problem with your 3rd point: we can’t fill positions NOW. Our standards for entering this profession are pretty low, and we still can’t find people who want to teach. I suppose we can make an argument that raising standards will attract people because they’ll see teaching as a prestigious career. What comes first, though? How do we raise the bar for entering the profession without first making it more appealing?

I am going to side eye your hours a week 52 weeks a year.

Side eyeball you want. The only time I work less than 55 hours a week (minimum) is during the summer. I am between contracts for 7 weeks, not the 3 months people usually like to attribute to teacher summers. I may work 10-20 (unpaid) hours each week, just updating material and attending trainings. This is pretty standard for many in the profession.