TJ admissions results out?

[Anonymous]

Maybe the FARMS isn’t centrally verified.

Maybe when they go back to the MS counselors to verify grades they get verification about the application from the MSs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pp who keeps arguing 1/3 of the class being low income is plausible….is it because you think they lowered the barbTHAT much? Low income students generally struggle at MUCH higher rates re: academics in FCPS than other kids - and that is comparing them just to the average testing level not the top. Why do you think it is believable that SO many now meet the TJ requirements ? I know they are lower than prior years but they still do mandate GOA and classes that are far less common for low income students.

There are only 550 seats. Fewer if you are just looking at FCPS. Out of the approx 3800 low-income 8th graders in FCPS I’m sure there are at least 180 well-qualified students who will succeed at TJ.

I know one low-income kid who was just admitted and this kid is great. Very bright, hard worker, received recognition from school in an academic area. Too in classes. Only in Alg I honors because they moved here two years ago and didn’t understand the rat race math early on. Anyway. Great kid. TJ will be lucky to have them. Glad they have the opportunity with the new admissions process.

I’m sure some unethical parents answered yes, but very unlikely it was many because most understood what the question represented and they didn’t want to cheat.

The question is not about how deserving lower-income kids are. Nor is it about the wonderful lower income family and how lucky TJ is to have them. I am sure that is all true.

This is about the School Board fudging numbers to show 33% lower-income admits. It is too far-fetched to be plausible. FCPS is 27% lower-income and the TJ admits are 33% lower-income. Those of us that work with underprivileged know that it is a struggle for the underprivileged to access what is due to them - for reasons of apathy, discrimination and such. But for the underprivileged to punch beyond their weight especially in such a charged environment? Somebody nominate the School Board for the Nobel Prize

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pp who keeps arguing 1/3 of the class being low income is plausible….is it because you think they lowered the barbTHAT much? Low income students generally struggle at MUCH higher rates re: academics in FCPS than other kids - and that is comparing them just to the average testing level not the top. Why do you think it is believable that SO many now meet the TJ requirements ? I know they are lower than prior years but they still do mandate GOA and classes that are far less common for low income students.

There are only 550 seats. Fewer if you are just looking at FCPS. Out of the approx 3800 low-income 8th graders in FCPS I’m sure there are at least 180 well-qualified students who will succeed at TJ.

I know one low-income kid who was just admitted and this kid is great. Very bright, hard worker, received recognition from school in an academic area. Too in classes. Only in Alg I honors because they moved here two years ago and didn’t understand the rat race math early on. Anyway. Great kid. TJ will be lucky to have them. Glad they have the opportunity with the new admissions process.

I’m sure some unethical parents answered yes, but very unlikely it was many because most understood what the question represented and they didn’t want to cheat.

The question is not about how deserving lower-income kids are. Nor is it about the wonderful lower income family and how lucky TJ is to have them. I am sure that is all true.

This is about the School Board fudging numbers to show 33% lower-income admits. It is too far-fetched to be plausible. FCPS is 27% lower-income and the TJ admits are 33% lower-income. Those of us that work with underprivileged know that it is a struggle for the underprivileged to access what is due to them - for reasons of apathy, discrimination and such. But for the underprivileged to punch beyond their weight especially in such a charged environment? Somebody nominate the School Board for the Nobel Prize

My point is this kid is well-qualified and will do well at TJ. Likely wouldn’t have had the opportunity with the previous admissions process.

This kid is not alone. You doubt there are 180 well-qualified, low-income 8th graders in all of FCPS?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pp who keeps arguing 1/3 of the class being low income is plausible….is it because you think they lowered the barbTHAT much? Low income students generally struggle at MUCH higher rates re: academics in FCPS than other kids - and that is comparing them just to the average testing level not the top. Why do you think it is believable that SO many now meet the TJ requirements ? I know they are lower than prior years but they still do mandate GOA and classes that are far less common for low income students.

There are only 550 seats. Fewer if you are just looking at FCPS. Out of the approx 3800 low-income 8th graders in FCPS I’m sure there are at least 180 well-qualified students who will succeed at TJ.

I know one low-income kid who was just admitted and this kid is great. Very bright, hard worker, received recognition from school in an academic area. Too in classes. Only in Alg I honors because they moved here two years ago and didn’t understand the rat race math early on. Anyway. Great kid. TJ will be lucky to have them. Glad they have the opportunity with the new admissions process.

I’m sure some unethical parents answered yes, but very unlikely it was many because most understood what the question represented and they didn’t want to cheat.

The question is not about how deserving lower-income kids are. Nor is it about the wonderful lower income family and how lucky TJ is to have them. I am sure that is all true.

This is about the School Board fudging numbers to show 33% lower-income admits. It is too far-fetched to be plausible. FCPS is 27% lower-income and the TJ admits are 33% lower-income. Those of us that work with underprivileged know that it is a struggle for the underprivileged to access what is due to them - for reasons of apathy, discrimination and such. But for the underprivileged to punch beyond their weight especially in such a charged environment? Somebody nominate the School Board for the Nobel Prize

My point is this kid is well-qualified and will do well at TJ. Likely wouldn’t have had the opportunity with the previous admissions process.

This kid is not alone. You doubt there are 180 well-qualified, low-income 8th graders in all of FCPS?

I think that's why the geographic component of the new process helps level the playing field. It was a bit hard to believe that all the best kids came from a handful of schools where enrolling in expensive prep was common.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pp who keeps arguing 1/3 of the class being low income is plausible….is it because you think they lowered the barbTHAT much? Low income students generally struggle at MUCH higher rates re: academics in FCPS than other kids - and that is comparing them just to the average testing level not the top. Why do you think it is believable that SO many now meet the TJ requirements ? I know they are lower than prior years but they still do mandate GOA and classes that are far less common for low income students.

There are only 550 seats. Fewer if you are just looking at FCPS. Out of the approx 3800 low-income 8th graders in FCPS I’m sure there are at least 180 well-qualified students who will succeed at TJ.

I know one low-income kid who was just admitted and this kid is great. Very bright, hard worker, received recognition from school in an academic area. Too in classes. Only in Alg I honors because they moved here two years ago and didn’t understand the rat race math early on. Anyway. Great kid. TJ will be lucky to have them. Glad they have the opportunity with the new admissions process.

I’m sure some unethical parents answered yes, but very unlikely it was many because most understood what the question represented and they didn’t want to cheat.

The question is not about how deserving lower-income kids are. Nor is it about the wonderful lower income family and how lucky TJ is to have them. I am sure that is all true.

This is about the School Board fudging numbers to show 33% lower-income admits. It is too far-fetched to be plausible. FCPS is 27% lower-income and the TJ admits are 33% lower-income. Those of us that work with underprivileged know that it is a struggle for the underprivileged to access what is due to them - for reasons of apathy, discrimination and such. But for the underprivileged to punch beyond their weight especially in such a charged environment? Somebody nominate the School Board for the Nobel Prize

My point is this kid is well-qualified and will do well at TJ. Likely wouldn’t have had the opportunity with the previous admissions process.

This kid is not alone. You doubt there are 180 well-qualified, low-income 8th graders in all of FCPS?

I doubt that the 180 low-income admits as reported by FCPS are truly low-income. This is for all the reasons discussed on this board. FARMS is normally offered to those families that earn less than 185% of the poverty level (defined at $27,750 in 2019). That comes to an income level of $47,638. You can index it for inflation and it could be $55,000 or so in 2022. You are telling me that 33% of the class is made up of families making less than $55k annually. I will have what you are smoking. Thank you.

And again this is not about doubting the capabilities of the underprivileged. FCPS statistics run counter to studies from over the years that show how the underprivileged access public services. It is implausible and the data is corrupt.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pp who keeps arguing 1/3 of the class being low income is plausible….is it because you think they lowered the barbTHAT much? Low income students generally struggle at MUCH higher rates re: academics in FCPS than other kids - and that is comparing them just to the average testing level not the top. Why do you think it is believable that SO many now meet the TJ requirements ? I know they are lower than prior years but they still do mandate GOA and classes that are far less common for low income students.

There are only 550 seats. Fewer if you are just looking at FCPS. Out of the approx 3800 low-income 8th graders in FCPS I’m sure there are at least 180 well-qualified students who will succeed at TJ.

I know one low-income kid who was just admitted and this kid is great. Very bright, hard worker, received recognition from school in an academic area. Too in classes. Only in Alg I honors because they moved here two years ago and didn’t understand the rat race math early on. Anyway. Great kid. TJ will be lucky to have them. Glad they have the opportunity with the new admissions process.

I’m sure some unethical parents answered yes, but very unlikely it was many because most understood what the question represented and they didn’t want to cheat.

The question is not about how deserving lower-income kids are. Nor is it about the wonderful lower income family and how lucky TJ is to have them. I am sure that is all true.

This is about the School Board fudging numbers to show 33% lower-income admits. It is too far-fetched to be plausible. FCPS is 27% lower-income and the TJ admits are 33% lower-income. Those of us that work with underprivileged know that it is a struggle for the underprivileged to access what is due to them - for reasons of apathy, discrimination and such. But for the underprivileged to punch beyond their weight especially in such a charged environment? Somebody nominate the School Board for the Nobel Prize

My point is this kid is well-qualified and will do well at TJ. Likely wouldn’t have had the opportunity with the previous admissions process.

This kid is not alone. You doubt there are 180 well-qualified, low-income 8th graders in all of FCPS?

I doubt that the 180 low-income admits as reported by FCPS are truly low-income. This is for all the reasons discussed on this board. FARMS is normally offered to those families that earn less than 185% of the poverty level (defined at $27,750 in 2019). That comes to an income level of $47,638. You can index it for inflation and it could be $55,000 or so in 2022. You are telling me that 33% of the class is made up of families making less than $55k annually. I will have what you are smoking. Thank you.

And again this is not about doubting the capabilities of the underprivileged. FCPS statistics run counter to studies from over the years that show how the underprivileged access public services. It is implausible and the data is corrupt.

I’m sure there were some cheaters. Some on DCUM even admitted to cheating.

Not sure why you are surprised at those numbers. Try to get out of your affluent bubble sometime.

27% of FCPS is low-income. That’s around 3,800 8th graders. There are certainly at least 180 of them who are well-qualified for TJ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pp who keeps arguing 1/3 of the class being low income is plausible….is it because you think they lowered the barbTHAT much? Low income students generally struggle at MUCH higher rates re: academics in FCPS than other kids - and that is comparing them just to the average testing level not the top. Why do you think it is believable that SO many now meet the TJ requirements ? I know they are lower than prior years but they still do mandate GOA and classes that are far less common for low income students.

There are only 550 seats. Fewer if you are just looking at FCPS. Out of the approx 3800 low-income 8th graders in FCPS I’m sure there are at least 180 well-qualified students who will succeed at TJ.

I know one low-income kid who was just admitted and this kid is great. Very bright, hard worker, received recognition from school in an academic area. Too in classes. Only in Alg I honors because they moved here two years ago and didn’t understand the rat race math early on. Anyway. Great kid. TJ will be lucky to have them. Glad they have the opportunity with the new admissions process.

I’m sure some unethical parents answered yes, but very unlikely it was many because most understood what the question represented and they didn’t want to cheat.

The question is not about how deserving lower-income kids are. Nor is it about the wonderful lower income family and how lucky TJ is to have them. I am sure that is all true.

This is about the School Board fudging numbers to show 33% lower-income admits. It is too far-fetched to be plausible. FCPS is 27% lower-income and the TJ admits are 33% lower-income. Those of us that work with underprivileged know that it is a struggle for the underprivileged to access what is due to them - for reasons of apathy, discrimination and such. But for the underprivileged to punch beyond their weight especially in such a charged environment? Somebody nominate the School Board for the Nobel Prize

My point is this kid is well-qualified and will do well at TJ. Likely wouldn’t have had the opportunity with the previous admissions process.

This kid is not alone. You doubt there are 180 well-qualified, low-income 8th graders in all of FCPS?

I doubt that the 180 low-income admits as reported by FCPS are truly low-income. This is for all the reasons discussed on this board. FARMS is normally offered to those families that earn less than 185% of the poverty level (defined at $27,750 in 2019). That comes to an income level of $47,638. You can index it for inflation and it could be $55,000 or so in 2022. You are telling me that 33% of the class is made up of families making less than $55k annually. I will have what you are smoking. Thank you.

And again this is not about doubting the capabilities of the underprivileged. FCPS statistics run counter to studies from over the years that show how the underprivileged access public services. It is implausible and the data is corrupt.

I’m sure there were some cheaters. Some on DCUM even admitted to cheating.

Not sure why you are surprised at those numbers. Try to get out of your affluent bubble sometime.

27% of FCPS is low-income. That’s around 3,800 8th graders. There are certainly at least 180 of them who are well-qualified for TJ.

Nobody cheated. They answered yes after checking with the schools who confirmed they could answer yes. The School Board screwed up in using the FARMS question as a proxy for low-income (the shoddy nature of this half-baked reform). The villains of this are neither the underprivileged kids nor the folks who legitimately answered yes. The villain is the School Board for rushing through a process that ad obvious shortcomings.

Try living on $55K (as a family no less) and draw up a list of priorities. It is easy to practice white saviorism but real life is very different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pp who keeps arguing 1/3 of the class being low income is plausible….is it because you think they lowered the barbTHAT much? Low income students generally struggle at MUCH higher rates re: academics in FCPS than other kids - and that is comparing them just to the average testing level not the top. Why do you think it is believable that SO many now meet the TJ requirements ? I know they are lower than prior years but they still do mandate GOA and classes that are far less common for low income students.

There are only 550 seats. Fewer if you are just looking at FCPS. Out of the approx 3800 low-income 8th graders in FCPS I’m sure there are at least 180 well-qualified students who will succeed at TJ.

I know one low-income kid who was just admitted and this kid is great. Very bright, hard worker, received recognition from school in an academic area. Too in classes. Only in Alg I honors because they moved here two years ago and didn’t understand the rat race math early on. Anyway. Great kid. TJ will be lucky to have them. Glad they have the opportunity with the new admissions process.

I’m sure some unethical parents answered yes, but very unlikely it was many because most understood what the question represented and they didn’t want to cheat.

The question is not about how deserving lower-income kids are. Nor is it about the wonderful lower income family and how lucky TJ is to have them. I am sure that is all true.

This is about the School Board fudging numbers to show 33% lower-income admits. It is too far-fetched to be plausible. FCPS is 27% lower-income and the TJ admits are 33% lower-income. Those of us that work with underprivileged know that it is a struggle for the underprivileged to access what is due to them - for reasons of apathy, discrimination and such. But for the underprivileged to punch beyond their weight especially in such a charged environment? Somebody nominate the School Board for the Nobel Prize

My point is this kid is well-qualified and will do well at TJ. Likely wouldn’t have had the opportunity with the previous admissions process.

This kid is not alone. You doubt there are 180 well-qualified, low-income 8th graders in all of FCPS?

I doubt that the 180 low-income admits as reported by FCPS are truly low-income. This is for all the reasons discussed on this board. FARMS is normally offered to those families that earn less than 185% of the poverty level (defined at $27,750 in 2019). That comes to an income level of $47,638. You can index it for inflation and it could be $55,000 or so in 2022. You are telling me that 33% of the class is made up of families making less than $55k annually. I will have what you are smoking. Thank you.

And again this is not about doubting the capabilities of the underprivileged. FCPS statistics run counter to studies from over the years that show how the underprivileged access public services. It is implausible and the data is corrupt.

I’m sure there were some cheaters. Some on DCUM even admitted to cheating.

Not sure why you are surprised at those numbers. Try to get out of your affluent bubble sometime.

27% of FCPS is low-income. That’s around 3,800 8th graders. There are certainly at least 180 of them who are well-qualified for TJ.

Nobody cheated. They answered yes after checking with the schools who confirmed they could answer yes. The School Board screwed up in using the FARMS question as a proxy for low-income (the shoddy nature of this half-baked reform). The villains of this are neither the underprivileged kids nor the folks who legitimately answered yes. The villain is the School Board for rushing through a process that ad obvious shortcomings.

Try living on $55K (as a family no less) and draw up a list of priorities. It is easy to practice white saviorism but real life is very different.

Sure, you could have answered yes but you should not have. Unethical. Cheating. Illegitimate.

You assume every kid from a low-income family can’t hack it? Gross.

Why are you trying to sh1t on low-income kids? Makes you feel better about misrepresenting your family on the application?

[Anonymous]

Pp you is turning this into an attack on low income kids - please, that is not what the argument is here. Of COURSE there are some really smart and capable low income kids. Duh. And some of us (me included) even support the 1.5% MS pool allocations and support the bump for being low income.

The ENTIRE point here is whether it is credible that 1/3 (!!!!) of the TJ class is truly low income. This is just not believable. I’ll take your “I was wrong” a year from now though when FCPS uses the same admission formula and there are not more free meals for all and the FARMS figure curiously plummets. This WILL happen. While it may not have been ethical to reply yes to the free meals questions this year people who did were not lying.

[Anonymous]

Can they verify FARMS data for the kids outside of FCPS? If not, I wouldn't be surprised if all of the Loudoun applicants checked the box. 100 extra "low income" kids from LCPS would certainly make the press releases sound better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pp who keeps arguing 1/3 of the class being low income is plausible….is it because you think they lowered the barbTHAT much? Low income students generally struggle at MUCH higher rates re: academics in FCPS than other kids - and that is comparing them just to the average testing level not the top. Why do you think it is believable that SO many now meet the TJ requirements ? I know they are lower than prior years but they still do mandate GOA and classes that are far less common for low income students.

There are only 550 seats. Fewer if you are just looking at FCPS. Out of the approx 3800 low-income 8th graders in FCPS I’m sure there are at least 180 well-qualified students who will succeed at TJ.

I know one low-income kid who was just admitted and this kid is great. Very bright, hard worker, received recognition from school in an academic area. Too in classes. Only in Alg I honors because they moved here two years ago and didn’t understand the rat race math early on. Anyway. Great kid. TJ will be lucky to have them. Glad they have the opportunity with the new admissions process.

I’m sure some unethical parents answered yes, but very unlikely it was many because most understood what the question represented and they didn’t want to cheat.

The question is not about how deserving lower-income kids are. Nor is it about the wonderful lower income family and how lucky TJ is to have them. I am sure that is all true.

This is about the School Board fudging numbers to show 33% lower-income admits. It is too far-fetched to be plausible. FCPS is 27% lower-income and the TJ admits are 33% lower-income. Those of us that work with underprivileged know that it is a struggle for the underprivileged to access what is due to them - for reasons of apathy, discrimination and such. But for the underprivileged to punch beyond their weight especially in such a charged environment? Somebody nominate the School Board for the Nobel Prize

My point is this kid is well-qualified and will do well at TJ. Likely wouldn’t have had the opportunity with the previous admissions process.

This kid is not alone. You doubt there are 180 well-qualified, low-income 8th graders in all of FCPS?

I doubt that the 180 low-income admits as reported by FCPS are truly low-income. This is for all the reasons discussed on this board. FARMS is normally offered to those families that earn less than 185% of the poverty level (defined at $27,750 in 2019). That comes to an income level of $47,638. You can index it for inflation and it could be $55,000 or so in 2022. You are telling me that 33% of the class is made up of families making less than $55k annually. I will have what you are smoking. Thank you.

And again this is not about doubting the capabilities of the underprivileged. FCPS statistics run counter to studies from over the years that show how the underprivileged access public services. It is implausible and the data is corrupt.

I’m sure there were some cheaters. Some on DCUM even admitted to cheating.

Not sure why you are surprised at those numbers. Try to get out of your affluent bubble sometime.

27% of FCPS is low-income. That’s around 3,800 8th graders. There are certainly at least 180 of them who are well-qualified for TJ.

Nobody cheated. They answered yes after checking with the schools who confirmed they could answer yes. The School Board screwed up in using the FARMS question as a proxy for low-income (the shoddy nature of this half-baked reform). The villains of this are neither the underprivileged kids nor the folks who legitimately answered yes. The villain is the School Board for rushing through a process that ad obvious shortcomings.

Try living on $55K (as a family no less) and draw up a list of priorities. It is easy to practice white saviorism but real life is very different.

Sure, you could have answered yes but you should not have. Unethical. Cheating. Illegitimate.

You assume every kid from a low-income family can’t hack it? Gross.

Why are you trying to sh1t on low-income kids? Makes you feel better about misrepresenting your family on the application?

Learn to read. This is not about the underprivileged kids and I have said it repeatedly. Nor is it about me. What you are trying to do is obfuscation. A charlatan indulging in obfuscation. I got 2 words for you today.

I the interim, see your therapist and educate yourself on the white savior complex. You are sounding very unhinged.

https://www.health.com/mind-body/health-diversity-inclusion/white-savior-complex

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pp you is turning this into an attack on low income kids - please, that is not what the argument is here. Of COURSE there are some really smart and capable low income kids. Duh. And some of us (me included) even support the 1.5% MS pool allocations and support the bump for being low income.

The ENTIRE point here is whether it is credible that 1/3 (!!!!) of the TJ class is truly low income. This is just not believable. I’ll take your “I was wrong” a year from now though when FCPS uses the same admission formula and there are not more free meals for all and the FARMS figure curiously plummets. This WILL happen. While it may not have been ethical to reply yes to the free meals questions this year people who did were not lying.

The number is obviously somewhere between 0.6% and 33%.

It really depends on how many parents were willing to cheat on the application.

There are many qualified, low-income students and we aren’t “lowering the bar” by giving them access to TJ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pp who keeps arguing 1/3 of the class being low income is plausible….is it because you think they lowered the barbTHAT much? Low income students generally struggle at MUCH higher rates re: academics in FCPS than other kids - and that is comparing them just to the average testing level not the top. Why do you think it is believable that SO many now meet the TJ requirements ? I know they are lower than prior years but they still do mandate GOA and classes that are far less common for low income students.

There are only 550 seats. Fewer if you are just looking at FCPS. Out of the approx 3800 low-income 8th graders in FCPS I’m sure there are at least 180 well-qualified students who will succeed at TJ.

I know one low-income kid who was just admitted and this kid is great. Very bright, hard worker, received recognition from school in an academic area. Too in classes. Only in Alg I honors because they moved here two years ago and didn’t understand the rat race math early on. Anyway. Great kid. TJ will be lucky to have them. Glad they have the opportunity with the new admissions process.

I’m sure some unethical parents answered yes, but very unlikely it was many because most understood what the question represented and they didn’t want to cheat.

The question is not about how deserving lower-income kids are. Nor is it about the wonderful lower income family and how lucky TJ is to have them. I am sure that is all true.

This is about the School Board fudging numbers to show 33% lower-income admits. It is too far-fetched to be plausible. FCPS is 27% lower-income and the TJ admits are 33% lower-income. Those of us that work with underprivileged know that it is a struggle for the underprivileged to access what is due to them - for reasons of apathy, discrimination and such. But for the underprivileged to punch beyond their weight especially in such a charged environment? Somebody nominate the School Board for the Nobel Prize

My point is this kid is well-qualified and will do well at TJ. Likely wouldn’t have had the opportunity with the previous admissions process.

This kid is not alone. You doubt there are 180 well-qualified, low-income 8th graders in all of FCPS?

I doubt that the 180 low-income admits as reported by FCPS are truly low-income. This is for all the reasons discussed on this board. FARMS is normally offered to those families that earn less than 185% of the poverty level (defined at $27,750 in 2019). That comes to an income level of $47,638. You can index it for inflation and it could be $55,000 or so in 2022. You are telling me that 33% of the class is made up of families making less than $55k annually. I will have what you are smoking. Thank you.

And again this is not about doubting the capabilities of the underprivileged. FCPS statistics run counter to studies from over the years that show how the underprivileged access public services. It is implausible and the data is corrupt.

I’m sure there were some cheaters. Some on DCUM even admitted to cheating.

Not sure why you are surprised at those numbers. Try to get out of your affluent bubble sometime.

27% of FCPS is low-income. That’s around 3,800 8th graders. There are certainly at least 180 of them who are well-qualified for TJ.

Nobody cheated. They answered yes after checking with the schools who confirmed they could answer yes. The School Board screwed up in using the FARMS question as a proxy for low-income (the shoddy nature of this half-baked reform). The villains of this are neither the underprivileged kids nor the folks who legitimately answered yes. The villain is the School Board for rushing through a process that ad obvious shortcomings.

Try living on $55K (as a family no less) and draw up a list of priorities. It is easy to practice white saviorism but real life is very different.

Sure, you could have answered yes but you should not have. Unethical. Cheating. Illegitimate.

You assume every kid from a low-income family can’t hack it? Gross.

Why are you trying to sh1t on low-income kids? Makes you feel better about misrepresenting your family on the application?

Learn to read. This is not about the underprivileged kids and I have said it repeatedly. Nor is it about me. What you are trying to do is obfuscation. A charlatan indulging in obfuscation. I got 2 words for you today.

I the interim, see your therapist and educate yourself on the white savior complex. You are sounding very unhinged.

https://www.health.com/mind-body/health-diversity-inclusion/white-savior-complex

Wow. You are really lashing out. I must have hit a nerve.

Don’t like being called out for cheating, eh?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pp you is turning this into an attack on low income kids - please, that is not what the argument is here. Of COURSE there are some really smart and capable low income kids. Duh. And some of us (me included) even support the 1.5% MS pool allocations and support the bump for being low income.

The ENTIRE point here is whether it is credible that 1/3 (!!!!) of the TJ class is truly low income. This is just not believable. I’ll take your “I was wrong” a year from now though when FCPS uses the same admission formula and there are not more free meals for all and the FARMS figure curiously plummets. This WILL happen. While it may not have been ethical to reply yes to the free meals questions this year people who did were not lying.

The number is obviously somewhere between 0.6% and 33%.

It really depends on how many parents were willing to cheat on the application.

There are many qualified, low-income students and we aren’t “lowering the bar” by giving them access to TJ.

DP. People willing to spend thousands on TJ prep centers will do whatever it takes to get their kids into TJ. I would not be surprised at all if fewer than 10% of the admitted kids are actually low income and the rest are middle class or upper middle class kids who checked the FARMS boxes.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp who keeps arguing 1/3 of the class being low income is plausible….is it because you think they lowered the barbTHAT much? Low income students generally struggle at MUCH higher rates re: academics in FCPS than other kids - and that is comparing them just to the average testing level not the top. Why do you think it is believable that SO many now meet the TJ requirements ? I know they are lower than prior years but they still do mandate GOA and classes that are far less common for low income students.

There are only 550 seats. Fewer if you are just looking at FCPS. Out of the approx 3800 low-income 8th graders in FCPS I’m sure there are at least 180 well-qualified students who will succeed at TJ.

I know one low-income kid who was just admitted and this kid is great. Very bright, hard worker, received recognition from school in an academic area. Too in classes. Only in Alg I honors because they moved here two years ago and didn’t understand the rat race math early on. Anyway. Great kid. TJ will be lucky to have them. Glad they have the opportunity with the new admissions process.

I’m sure some unethical parents answered yes, but very unlikely it was many because most understood what the question represented and they didn’t want to cheat.

The question is not about how deserving lower-income kids are. Nor is it about the wonderful lower income family and how lucky TJ is to have them. I am sure that is all true.

This is about the School Board fudging numbers to show 33% lower-income admits. It is too far-fetched to be plausible. FCPS is 27% lower-income and the TJ admits are 33% lower-income. Those of us that work with underprivileged know that it is a struggle for the underprivileged to access what is due to them - for reasons of apathy, discrimination and such. But for the underprivileged to punch beyond their weight especially in such a charged environment? Somebody nominate the School Board for the Nobel Prize

My point is this kid is well-qualified and will do well at TJ. Likely wouldn’t have had the opportunity with the previous admissions process.

This kid is not alone. You doubt there are 180 well-qualified, low-income 8th graders in all of FCPS?

I doubt that the 180 low-income admits as reported by FCPS are truly low-income. This is for all the reasons discussed on this board. FARMS is normally offered to those families that earn less than 185% of the poverty level (defined at $27,750 in 2019). That comes to an income level of $47,638. You can index it for inflation and it could be $55,000 or so in 2022. You are telling me that 33% of the class is made up of families making less than $55k annually. I will have what you are smoking. Thank you.

And again this is not about doubting the capabilities of the underprivileged. FCPS statistics run counter to studies from over the years that show how the underprivileged access public services. It is implausible and the data is corrupt.

I’m sure there were some cheaters. Some on DCUM even admitted to cheating.

Not sure why you are surprised at those numbers. Try to get out of your affluent bubble sometime.

27% of FCPS is low-income. That’s around 3,800 8th graders. There are certainly at least 180 of them who are well-qualified for TJ.

Nobody cheated. They answered yes after checking with the schools who confirmed they could answer yes. The School Board screwed up in using the FARMS question as a proxy for low-income (the shoddy nature of this half-baked reform). The villains of this are neither the underprivileged kids nor the folks who legitimately answered yes. The villain is the School Board for rushing through a process that ad obvious shortcomings.

Try living on $55K (as a family no less) and draw up a list of priorities. It is easy to practice white saviorism but real life is very different.

Sure, you could have answered yes but you should not have. Unethical. Cheating. Illegitimate.

You assume every kid from a low-income family can’t hack it? Gross.

Why are you trying to sh1t on low-income kids? Makes you feel better about misrepresenting your family on the application?

Learn to read. This is not about the underprivileged kids and I have said it repeatedly. Nor is it about me. What you are trying to do is obfuscation. A charlatan indulging in obfuscation. I got 2 words for you today.

I the interim, see your therapist and educate yourself on the white savior complex. You are sounding very unhinged.

https://www.health.com/mind-body/health-diversity-inclusion/white-savior-complex

Wow. You are really lashing out. I must have hit a nerve.

Don’t like being called out for cheating, eh?

Look - you are not in a good place right now. This discussion is about verifying FCPS’ claim that 33% of the admitted class is truly low-income. Conventional logic and supporting data makes the claim incredibly suspect. You keep attacking posters at a personal level and trying to frame the discussion somehow as an attack on the ability of low-income kids to succeed. That framing helps you feel good because you feel like you are standing up for your cause. But that is not the issue here at all.

Read up on white saviorism. I am sure it manifests in your life in different ways.

https://mashable.com/article/what-is-white-savior

There are many more such articles - mostly written by PoCs.