What the hell happened to JD Vance?

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Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

He talks a lot about Amy Chua in his book. She was a huge influence on him. There was an article a few or more ago about her husband and her and their relationships with students. It was damning. She's a kingmaker as is Peter Thiel. I believe Chua also told him to write a book. As I recall, she helped him with some of his social graces. He talked a lot about not knowing how to fit in, the typical example of what to do with a salad fork and dinner fork, or multiple glasses, if I'm recalling correctly. I liked the book when I read it but I remember thinking that the stuff about not knowing what to do at a fancy dinner seemed fake. You can Google that stuff before toy go.

People should read her books too to get perspective on this. Don't focus on the social graces thing, her agenda is far more malicious than that. I've just read The Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother (thought it would be a fun read as a "Tiger Mom" and came away thinking she should have had CPS called on her repeatedly) and The Triple Package (where she repeatedly asserts both genetic and learned traits that some groups will succeed with and others should be left in the dustbin). She leans pretty eugenicist as well and I think it's no coincidence she set up Vance with one of her preferred races and is married to a different preferred "in group" herself. Her beliefs are kind of scary.

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Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

He talks a lot about Amy Chua in his book. She was a huge influence on him. There was an article a few or more ago about her husband and her and their relationships with students. It was damning. She's a kingmaker as is Peter Thiel. I believe Chua also told him to write a book. As I recall, she helped him with some of his social graces. He talked a lot about not knowing how to fit in, the typical example of what to do with a salad fork and dinner fork, or multiple glasses, if I'm recalling correctly. I liked the book when I read it but I remember thinking that the stuff about not knowing what to do at a fancy dinner seemed fake. You can Google that stuff before toy go.

The fork thing is literally the dumbest example because it’s what they always use in tv shows, movies or books and the answer is so simple — work from outside in. Had he never seen Pretty woman? Or any of the other dozens of movies or TV shows where this is a thing?

It might be simple to YOU but it sure wasn't to me when I was in college and had never encountered more than one fork and one knife at a plate. Why do you assume things that were easy for you were also easy for everyone else?
DP

+1 Me too. I come from an immigrant family and was wined and dined as a college graduate from an Ivy when I was being interviewed and found those expensive dinners stressful. When do you think the average lower middle class American goes out to dinners where there are 3 forks to use?

Smart people do research before facing an unfamiliar situation. I read etiquette books because I knew I’d get out of my Appalachia . I also read about art history and taught myself about classical music. Read the cannon. When I moved to the ivy lifestyle, I was prepared.

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Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

He talks a lot about Amy Chua in his book. She was a huge influence on him. There was an article a few or more ago about her husband and her and their relationships with students. It was damning. She's a kingmaker as is Peter Thiel. I believe Chua also told him to write a book. As I recall, she helped him with some of his social graces. He talked a lot about not knowing how to fit in, the typical example of what to do with a salad fork and dinner fork, or multiple glasses, if I'm recalling correctly. I liked the book when I read it but I remember thinking that the stuff about not knowing what to do at a fancy dinner seemed fake. You can Google that stuff before toy go.

The fork thing is literally the dumbest example because it’s what they always use in tv shows, movies or books and the answer is so simple — work from outside in. Had he never seen Pretty woman? Or any of the other dozens of movies or TV shows where this is a thing?

It might be simple to YOU but it sure wasn't to me when I was in college and had never encountered more than one fork and one knife at a plate. Why do you assume things that were easy for you were also easy for everyone else?
DP

+1 Me too. I come from an immigrant family and was wined and dined as a college graduate from an Ivy when I was being interviewed and found those expensive dinners stressful. When do you think the average lower middle class American goes out to dinners where there are 3 forks to use?

Smart people do research before facing an unfamiliar situation. I read etiquette books because I knew I’d get out of my Appalachia . I also read about art history and taught myself about classical music. Read the cannon. When I moved to the ivy lifestyle, I was prepared.

Lmao, sure anon, they taught you the cannon at the big Ivies. Did you learn it while hoisting sails?

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this is the greatest thing I have seen this week

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Anonymous wrote:this is the greatest thing I have seen this week

Love it! Thanks for posting.

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He lives in a $1.6 million dollar home in Alexandria Virginia.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

He talks a lot about Amy Chua in his book. She was a huge influence on him. There was an article a few or more ago about her husband and her and their relationships with students. It was damning. She's a kingmaker as is Peter Thiel. I believe Chua also told him to write a book. As I recall, she helped him with some of his social graces. He talked a lot about not knowing how to fit in, the typical example of what to do with a salad fork and dinner fork, or multiple glasses, if I'm recalling correctly. I liked the book when I read it but I remember thinking that the stuff about not knowing what to do at a fancy dinner seemed fake. You can Google that stuff before toy go.

People should read her books too to get perspective on this. Don't focus on the social graces thing, her agenda is far more malicious than that. I've just read The Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother (thought it would be a fun read as a "Tiger Mom" and came away thinking she should have had CPS called on her repeatedly) and The Triple Package (where she repeatedly asserts both genetic and learned traits that some groups will succeed with and others should be left in the dustbin). She leans pretty eugenicist as well and I think it's no coincidence she set up Vance with one of her preferred races and is married to a different preferred "in group" herself. Her beliefs are kind of scary.

+1. She’s horrible. Her husband too.

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Anonymous wrote:this is the greatest thing I have seen this week

So good! What a fun family!

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The Leftist spin machine is working overtime to destroy his image. Just like it is working overtime to make Kamala look respectable.

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The NY Times quotes him as writing that after listening to a Peter Thiel talk, he realized about himself that:

“He articulated a feeling that had until then remained unformed: that I was obsessed with achievement in se — not as an end to something meaningful, but to win a social competition.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/17/us/jd-vance-yale-law-school.html

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Anonymous wrote:My millennial daughter says JD Vance is “scaring the hoes”. Really bad pick

You mean “ho”, not “hoe.” “Hoe” is the garden tool. “Ho” is a dialect evolution if “wh**e.”

Both are correct. “Hoe” is more common than “ho,” actually.

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Anonymous wrote:The Leftist spin machine is working overtime to destroy his image. Just like it is working overtime to make Kamala look respectable.

Guy put his weird ish out there for years and you’re just mad that people are seeing it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

He talks a lot about Amy Chua in his book. She was a huge influence on him. There was an article a few or more ago about her husband and her and their relationships with students. It was damning. She's a kingmaker as is Peter Thiel. I believe Chua also told him to write a book. As I recall, she helped him with some of his social graces. He talked a lot about not knowing how to fit in, the typical example of what to do with a salad fork and dinner fork, or multiple glasses, if I'm recalling correctly. I liked the book when I read it but I remember thinking that the stuff about not knowing what to do at a fancy dinner seemed fake. You can Google that stuff before toy go.

People should read her books too to get perspective on this. Don't focus on the social graces thing, her agenda is far more malicious than that. I've just read The Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother (thought it would be a fun read as a "Tiger Mom" and came away thinking she should have had CPS called on her repeatedly) and The Triple Package (where she repeatedly asserts both genetic and learned traits that some groups will succeed with and others should be left in the dustbin). She leans pretty eugenicist as well and I think it's no coincidence she set up Vance with one of her preferred races and is married to a different preferred "in group" herself. Her beliefs are kind of scary.

Didn't one or both of her kids scheme into an elite Ivy law school via ROTC or JAG? J.D. schemed his way into YLS pretending to be Appalachia trailer trash and checking the military box for diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:He owns two houses. One in Ohio, the other in VA.

https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/republican-vp-nominee-j-d-vances-owns-homes-in-two-left-leaning-neighborhoods-baf0a2fd

Nevertheless, we do know they currently reside in the East Walnut Hills neighborhood of Cincinnati, Ohio, where they moved in the summer of 2018, after Usha’s Supreme Court clerkship for Chief Justice John Roberts ended, and her husband realized it would be better for them to have a full-time home as he pursued his political ambitions.
https://thecinemaholic.com/where-are-j-d-vances-wife-and-kids-now/

Vance served in the Marine Corps after graduating high school and went on to attend Ohio State University and then Yale Law School. He and his family now live in Cincinnati's East Walnut Hills neighborhood.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2024/07/15/trump-picks-jd-vance-middletown-reacts/74413860007/

The kids go to school in VA, wife works for a DC law firm. They don’t live in Ohio and never have. And never will. Read his book, he clearly despises flyover people. And a California high caste Indian like his wife would never in a million years live in Ohio.

People commenting have clearly never read this book. I read it when it came out because it got crazy press as "how to understand how Trump came to be." The first 2/3rds are kind of a (not necessarily truthful?) Sob story but the conclusion is, "they're generally irredeemable, generationally effed rubes who did and continue to do this to themselves so...write them off. If they want out they can bootstrap it, but in general they're just worthless pieces of shit, so who really cares? I got out and I am NOT going back."

He doubled down on this demonizing and smearing in the NY Times and other public comments. One of his NYT columns he says white people hated Obama because they're irredeemable racist drug addicts, and they're just jealous of his Ivy League degrees and intellect. Reality is Obama got elected because of right-leaning white voters. Vance is just a dirtbag POS. And his wife married this dirtbag, so frankly, she's no better.