What the hell happened to JD Vance?

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Anonymous wrote:My millennial daughter says JD Vance is “scaring the hoes”. Really bad pick

You mean “ho”, not “hoe.” “Hoe” is the garden tool. “Ho” is a dialect evolution if “wh**e.”

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Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

He talks a lot about Amy Chua in his book. She was a huge influence on him. There was an article a few or more ago about her husband and her and their relationships with students. It was damning. She's a kingmaker as is Peter Thiel. I believe Chua also told him to write a book. As I recall, she helped him with some of his social graces. He talked a lot about not knowing how to fit in, the typical example of what to do with a salad fork and dinner fork, or multiple glasses, if I'm recalling correctly. I liked the book when I read it but I remember thinking that the stuff about not knowing what to do at a fancy dinner seemed fake. You can Google that stuff before toy go.

The fork thing is literally the dumbest example because it’s what they always use in tv shows, movies or books and the answer is so simple — work from outside in. Had he never seen Pretty woman? Or any of the other dozens of movies or TV shows where this is a thing?

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He owns two houses. One in Ohio, the other in VA.

https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/republican-vp-nominee-j-d-vances-owns-homes-in-two-left-leaning-neighborhoods-baf0a2fd

Nevertheless, we do know they currently reside in the East Walnut Hills neighborhood of Cincinnati, Ohio, where they moved in the summer of 2018, after Usha’s Supreme Court clerkship for Chief Justice John Roberts ended, and her husband realized it would be better for them to have a full-time home as he pursued his political ambitions.
https://thecinemaholic.com/where-are-j-d-vances-wife-and-kids-now/

Vance served in the Marine Corps after graduating high school and went on to attend Ohio State University and then Yale Law School. He and his family now live in Cincinnati's East Walnut Hills neighborhood.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2024/07/15/trump-picks-jd-vance-middletown-reacts/74413860007/

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He clearly concocted the poor hillbilly shit to get into law school. And he was technically a law school URM with the desk jockey military background. So not only is he a pathological liar, he benefitted from the same DEI policies Republicans like him rail against.

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Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

He talks a lot about Amy Chua in his book. She was a huge influence on him. There was an article a few or more ago about her husband and her and their relationships with students. It was damning. She's a kingmaker as is Peter Thiel. I believe Chua also told him to write a book. As I recall, she helped him with some of his social graces. He talked a lot about not knowing how to fit in, the typical example of what to do with a salad fork and dinner fork, or multiple glasses, if I'm recalling correctly. I liked the book when I read it but I remember thinking that the stuff about not knowing what to do at a fancy dinner seemed fake. You can Google that stuff before toy go.

The fork thing is literally the dumbest example because it’s what they always use in tv shows, movies or books and the answer is so simple — work from outside in. Had he never seen Pretty woman? Or any of the other dozens of movies or TV shows where this is a thing?

It might be simple to YOU but it sure wasn't to me when I was in college and had never encountered more than one fork and one knife at a plate. Why do you assume things that were easy for you were also easy for everyone else?
DP

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Anonymous wrote:He owns two houses. One in Ohio, the other in VA.

https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/republican-vp-nominee-j-d-vances-owns-homes-in-two-left-leaning-neighborhoods-baf0a2fd

Nevertheless, we do know they currently reside in the East Walnut Hills neighborhood of Cincinnati, Ohio, where they moved in the summer of 2018, after Usha’s Supreme Court clerkship for Chief Justice John Roberts ended, and her husband realized it would be better for them to have a full-time home as he pursued his political ambitions.
https://thecinemaholic.com/where-are-j-d-vances-wife-and-kids-now/

Vance served in the Marine Corps after graduating high school and went on to attend Ohio State University and then Yale Law School. He and his family now live in Cincinnati's East Walnut Hills neighborhood.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2024/07/15/trump-picks-jd-vance-middletown-reacts/74413860007/

Pray tell the Ohio law office his wife ever worked at? What state were the kids born in?

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Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

He talks a lot about Amy Chua in his book. She was a huge influence on him. There was an article a few or more ago about her husband and her and their relationships with students. It was damning. She's a kingmaker as is Peter Thiel. I believe Chua also told him to write a book. As I recall, she helped him with some of his social graces. He talked a lot about not knowing how to fit in, the typical example of what to do with a salad fork and dinner fork, or multiple glasses, if I'm recalling correctly. I liked the book when I read it but I remember thinking that the stuff about not knowing what to do at a fancy dinner seemed fake. You can Google that stuff before toy go.

The fork thing is literally the dumbest example because it’s what they always use in tv shows, movies or books and the answer is so simple — work from outside in. Had he never seen Pretty woman? Or any of the other dozens of movies or TV shows where this is a thing?

It might be simple to YOU but it sure wasn't to me when I was in college and had never encountered more than one fork and one knife at a plate. Why do you assume things that were easy for you were also easy for everyone else?
DP

It’s a corny cliche. It’s fake. It never happened. He ripped it from movies and books.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, according to the KH thread, a VP just sits around in the background doing nothing, so I think JD can more than handle that. He’ll be a great VP and a voice for Americans who have been forgotten.

Ah yes, let us all shed a tear for those forgotten Yale graduates who are so marginalized in our society.

Seriously. He hobnobs with tech bros, but he's part of the "forgotten"? hm. yea. ok.

And he and wife went from California residents to Del Ray, Arlington residents. The Ohio senator and his family never actually lived in Ohio. He hasn't been an Ohio resident since college over 15 years ago.

DP. Curious - did you really think no one would call you out on your lies? He absolutely has a home in Ohio and lives there when not here in Alexandria.

CINCINNATI — There has been an increase in security at the home of Ohio Sen. J.D. Vance since the assassination attempt against former President Donald Trump, which happened Saturday at a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.
https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/ohio/extra-security-at-home-of-ohio-sen-jd-vance-after-assassination-attempt-of-former-president-trump/95-4831853b-0ef1-4071-8598-78e9f2c68e54

Gov. Mike DeWine "approved" a request for security Saturday at 6:40 p.m., according to the governor's spokesperson, Dan Tierney. Vance lives in the Cincinnati area, so troopers are monitoring his home.
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/politics/ohio-politics/oshp-providing-extra-security-for-vice-presidential-contender-j-d-vance-following-shooting-at-trump-rally

Cool. Where have his kids been attending school?

I have no idea, but like most members of Congress, his kids probably attend school in the DC area while their parent(s) work here. Are you unaware of how many senators and representatives live in the area and send their kids to our local schools while Congress is in session? I attended a high school in NoVA and a big group of classmates were sons and daughters of senators and reps.

Yes but generally those senators are actually from the place they represent and lived there before they were elected. Most senators don’t have young kids which enables them to go back and forth more easily between locations. Or they do like Biden did and their kids are in school back home and they trudge back and forth. JD and Isha both worked in California before he was elected so they didn’t live in Ohio for more than a hot minute during the campaign. That’s pretty rare.

That is simply not true.

JD and Usha Vance live in Cincinnati, and have three children: Ewan, Vivek and Mirabel. Outside of work, she served on the Cincinnati Symphony Board of Directors from September 2020 to July 2023.
https://apnews.com/article/usha-vance-attorney-jd-vance-wife-vp-63406da4f6739546391ed7797fc1fef2

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Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

He talks a lot about Amy Chua in his book. She was a huge influence on him. There was an article a few or more ago about her husband and her and their relationships with students. It was damning. She's a kingmaker as is Peter Thiel. I believe Chua also told him to write a book. As I recall, she helped him with some of his social graces. He talked a lot about not knowing how to fit in, the typical example of what to do with a salad fork and dinner fork, or multiple glasses, if I'm recalling correctly. I liked the book when I read it but I remember thinking that the stuff about not knowing what to do at a fancy dinner seemed fake. You can Google that stuff before toy go.

The fork thing is literally the dumbest example because it’s what they always use in tv shows, movies or books and the answer is so simple — work from outside in. Had he never seen Pretty woman? Or any of the other dozens of movies or TV shows where this is a thing?

It might be simple to YOU but it sure wasn't to me when I was in college and had never encountered more than one fork and one knife at a plate. Why do you assume things that were easy for you were also easy for everyone else?
DP

It’s a corny cliche. It’s fake. It never happened. He ripped it from movies and books.

K, whatever you say. You seem awfully triggered by something that is a common stressor for many of us who didn't grow up with formal place settings. But do go on.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, according to the KH thread, a VP just sits around in the background doing nothing, so I think JD can more than handle that. He’ll be a great VP and a voice for Americans who have been forgotten.

You can't be serious, are you? He opposes any extant program or proposed policy that has any ameliorative effect on their lives. Cut Medicare/Social Security and these folks will not just be forgotten but dead.

DP. Why are you lying? From the GOP 2024 platform:

CHAPTER SIX: PROTECT SENIORS

Our Commitment:

President Trump has made absolutely clear that he will not cut one penny from Medicare or Social Security. American Citizens work hard their whole lives, contributing to Social Security and Medicare. These programs are promises to our Seniors, ensuring they can live their golden years with dignity. Republicans will protect these vital programs and ensure Economic Stability. We will work with our Great Seniors, in order to allow them to be active and healthy. We commit to safeguarding the future for our Seniors and all American families.

1. Protect Social Security

Social Security is a lifeline for millions of Retirees, yet corrupt politicians have robbed Social Security to fund their pet projects. Republicans will restore Economic Stability to ensure the long-term sustainability of Social Security.

2. Strengthen Medicare

Republicans will protect Medicare's finances from being financially crushed by the Democrat plan to add tens of millions of new illegal immigrants to the rolls of Medicare. We vow to strengthen Medicare for future generations.

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2024-republican-party-platform

Trump makes that claim yet does the opposite. His 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2020 budget proposals repeatedly had provisions to significantly cut Medicaid, to make changes to SSDI to make it harder to qualify, and so on, however those were killed by Congress. He does talk about "cutting entitlements" all the time yet when someone raises the point that he's actually talking about Social Security and Medicaid he tries to deflect.

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Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?

He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.

Absolutely.

The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.

I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.

+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.

So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.

Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.

Agree, people really don't understand the Trump phenomenon. Trump is the vote getter; he doesn't need a VP for that. In his VP he wants fealty above all else and JD's political career would be nowhere without Trump''s blessing that saved him in his Senate race. He is beholden to Trump, will be Trump's attack dog and will willfully do anything Trump asks him to do because he owes a great deal of his political existence and ascent to Trump.

Again. Trumps base alone isn’t enough. Ask 2020 about that and then consider all the Gen Z who started voting since and all the Boomers who died. Mathematically, Cult Trump is large. But not 50% of the swing states large. He needs some independents. That’s what the VP pick did. Pence was great because he got the jittery traditional Republicans plus reassured Evangelics that the guy with no morals was okay, so they didn’t stay home. Without that, those 100k votes would have gone to HRC. Vance gets him no one outside his cult.

You do not understand Trump. Trump is the vote getter. Period. He is not going to stand another "traitor" like Pence. He was already making significant inroads with black voters and other demographics without having announced a Vice President. The VP will do nothing for him vote-wise. It is on him and on him alone. His VP will serve other purposes.

what purpose is this guy going to serve?

also, it's not only about getting votes. he could be taking away some votes trump is getting.

He is going to be his loyal attack dog who speaks well and jumps whenever Trump says "how high". He will have no ideas of his own and be completely beholden to Trump. What independent base does Vance have outside of Trump's political patronage? Additionally, if Trump wins he will hold the reins of the party probably until he dies. This is an audition for flag bearer who Trump will control even after he is out of office.

when trump is out of office (assuming he gets into the office) he will be 80+. he is not going to control anything for long.

Won't that go to Don Jr?

If our awful two major parties have any say in the matter, POTUS nominees will now be appointed by party leaders going forward. Disgusting.

Ummm…. That’s the way it works. Always has. Parties nominate who they want under any rules they want. And even in a normal year/ on the R side a decent percentage of delegates aren’t from citizens votes, they are party loyalists. They aren’t democracies. Either of them.

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Anonymous wrote:He owns two houses. One in Ohio, the other in VA.

https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/republican-vp-nominee-j-d-vances-owns-homes-in-two-left-leaning-neighborhoods-baf0a2fd

Nevertheless, we do know they currently reside in the East Walnut Hills neighborhood of Cincinnati, Ohio, where they moved in the summer of 2018, after Usha’s Supreme Court clerkship for Chief Justice John Roberts ended, and her husband realized it would be better for them to have a full-time home as he pursued his political ambitions.
https://thecinemaholic.com/where-are-j-d-vances-wife-and-kids-now/

Vance served in the Marine Corps after graduating high school and went on to attend Ohio State University and then Yale Law School. He and his family now live in Cincinnati's East Walnut Hills neighborhood.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2024/07/15/trump-picks-jd-vance-middletown-reacts/74413860007/

Pray tell the Ohio law office his wife ever worked at? What state were the kids born in?

Wow, you're like a pitbull. I have no idea what state his kids were born in - why on earth would that be relevant to anything? As for Usha Vance, she was working for a firm based in SF and DC. Is there some stipulation that says she has to work in Ohio? Are you high?

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Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

He talks a lot about Amy Chua in his book. She was a huge influence on him. There was an article a few or more ago about her husband and her and their relationships with students. It was damning. She's a kingmaker as is Peter Thiel. I believe Chua also told him to write a book. As I recall, she helped him with some of his social graces. He talked a lot about not knowing how to fit in, the typical example of what to do with a salad fork and dinner fork, or multiple glasses, if I'm recalling correctly. I liked the book when I read it but I remember thinking that the stuff about not knowing what to do at a fancy dinner seemed fake. You can Google that stuff before toy go.

The fork thing is literally the dumbest example because it’s what they always use in tv shows, movies or books and the answer is so simple — work from outside in. Had he never seen Pretty woman? Or any of the other dozens of movies or TV shows where this is a thing?

It might be simple to YOU but it sure wasn't to me when I was in college and had never encountered more than one fork and one knife at a plate. Why do you assume things that were easy for you were also easy for everyone else?
DP

+1 Me too. I come from an immigrant family and was wined and dined as a college graduate from an Ivy when I was being interviewed and found those expensive dinners stressful. When do you think the average lower middle class American goes out to dinners where there are 3 forks to use?

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Anonymous wrote:He's a decent dude, and his wife is great. But he's quite ambitious and made the political calculus a while ago that the National Review brand of conservatism was not a viable path for his political fortunes. He can be thoughtful and nuanced (and some of his writings reflect this, even if you do not agree with him), but nobody is buying that these days, especially with the specter of Trumpism looming. He's had to walk back a number of his anti-Trump opinions in order to try to carve out a niche. This is the calculus that has been made, but it does not appear to be working.

Look at Asha Rangappa, who was at YLS at the same time as JD and is now a twitter warrior. These things happen when visibility, attention, ambition, scrutiny and brand-building enter the mix.

As evidenced by Ted Cruz at the SCOTUS confirmation hearings recently, you would be surprised (or perhaps not) by the number of esteemed, venerable people who are completely obsessed with their twitter mentions and the concomitant attention high. Sign of the times.

+1 to all of this.

I have to say that I do really wonder about his wife and how she's dealing with this. It would be hard for impossible for me to deal with this. They seemingly moved to Ohio to be close to his roots and to work to "make things better" with your spouse who was moderate right at best. Now the dude is more or less on the Trump. I don't think I could deal.

+1 Very faustian. Sold his soul to the devil. I guess she has her own ambitions, and she is willing to sell her soul, as well.

Or is it like Pence's wife who had to deal with her husband on the same ticket as a serial cheater and immoral douche married to a softcore porn star? She was not a happy camper, from what I hear.

Both Vance and his wife were proteges of Amy Chua (the "Tiger Mom"). For both of them, the onlu thing that matters is getting ahead by any means necessary.

He talks a lot about Amy Chua in his book. She was a huge influence on him. There was an article a few or more ago about her husband and her and their relationships with students. It was damning. She's a kingmaker as is Peter Thiel. I believe Chua also told him to write a book. As I recall, she helped him with some of his social graces. He talked a lot about not knowing how to fit in, the typical example of what to do with a salad fork and dinner fork, or multiple glasses, if I'm recalling correctly. I liked the book when I read it but I remember thinking that the stuff about not knowing what to do at a fancy dinner seemed fake. You can Google that stuff before toy go.

The fork thing is literally the dumbest example because it’s what they always use in tv shows, movies or books and the answer is so simple — work from outside in. Had he never seen Pretty woman? Or any of the other dozens of movies or TV shows where this is a thing?

It is. And he mentioned a lot about not knowing how to fit in in other ways, clothes, I think and the way people talk maybe. It did not ring true, I think because he mentioned it several times. After a while you catch on and you meet people you like. Also, thar experience us not unique. Many people move places or go to school where the culture is new. In another sense it's like, what did you expect? You're leaving behind your home and region for someone entirely different. And it's not that mysterious or unknown.

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Anonymous wrote:He owns two houses. One in Ohio, the other in VA.

https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/republican-vp-nominee-j-d-vances-owns-homes-in-two-left-leaning-neighborhoods-baf0a2fd

Nevertheless, we do know they currently reside in the East Walnut Hills neighborhood of Cincinnati, Ohio, where they moved in the summer of 2018, after Usha’s Supreme Court clerkship for Chief Justice John Roberts ended, and her husband realized it would be better for them to have a full-time home as he pursued his political ambitions.
https://thecinemaholic.com/where-are-j-d-vances-wife-and-kids-now/

Vance served in the Marine Corps after graduating high school and went on to attend Ohio State University and then Yale Law School. He and his family now live in Cincinnati's East Walnut Hills neighborhood.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2024/07/15/trump-picks-jd-vance-middletown-reacts/74413860007/

The kids go to school in VA, wife works for a DC law firm. They don’t live in Ohio and never have. And never will. Read his book, he clearly despises flyover people. And a California high caste Indian like his wife would never in a million years live in Ohio.

People commenting have clearly never read this book. I read it when it came out because it got crazy press as "how to understand how Trump came to be." The first 2/3rds are kind of a (not necessarily truthful?) Sob story but the conclusion is, "they're generally irredeemable, generationally effed rubes who did and continue to do this to themselves so...write them off. If they want out they can bootstrap it, but in general they're just worthless pieces of shit, so who really cares? I got out and I am NOT going back."