Masks optional by spring break

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who act like masks 40 hours a week on little kids for YEARS during their prime learning, socialization, and development years have zero credibility. We should be balancing harms. How well do they work? What is the harm they really reduce? What harm do they cause? It’s time they came off. It really is. The kids have been really great but they’ve paid a high price. Not worth it anymore. Experts slowly coming around.

The good news is that we can answer those questions. Multiple studies have shown that masking in schools reduces transmission of covid-19. The harm they cause is that some kids have a harder time hearing the teacher, and kids with specific special needs may be more impacted.

Given that widespread covid outbreaks lead to school closures, which ALSO disproportionately impact kids with special needs, I'd argue that the risk/benefit analysis is still weighted toward masking in schools.

A lot of the studies have been questioned because communities with mask requirements also tend to have other mitigation measures in place, so it’s difficult to know if masking in schools is the thing that helps as much as we want to think. Also, school closures around the country haven’t been tied to COVID numbers, they have reflected how liberal or conservative your jurisdiction is.

+1. This poster should read the study in Spain where they look at spread in schools and found that it increases with age, despite the older kids wearing masks. 5 yr olds without masks had no more spread than 6 year olds in masks. It’s clearly not as effective as all these people think it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who act like masks 40 hours a week on little kids for YEARS during their prime learning, socialization, and development years have zero credibility. We should be balancing harms. How well do they work? What is the harm they really reduce? What harm do they cause? It’s time they came off. It really is. The kids have been really great but they’ve paid a high price. Not worth it anymore. Experts slowly coming around.

The good news is that we can answer those questions. Multiple studies have shown that masking in schools reduces transmission of covid-19. The harm they cause is that some kids have a harder time hearing the teacher, and kids with specific special needs may be more impacted.

Given that widespread covid outbreaks lead to school closures, which ALSO disproportionately impact kids with special needs, I'd argue that the risk/benefit analysis is still weighted toward masking in schools.

A lot of the studies have been questioned because communities with mask requirements also tend to have other mitigation measures in place, so it’s difficult to know if masking in schools is the thing that helps as much as we want to think. Also, school closures around the country haven’t been tied to COVID numbers, they have reflected how liberal or conservative your jurisdiction is.

I don't think Spain got your memo.. they went back to masking at Xmas.

"The new Spanish decree-law will reintroduce obligatory mask wearing outdoors for everyone over 6 years old"
https://www.politico.eu/article/spain-greece-mandatory-masks-outdoors-coronavirus-restrictions-omicron-crhistmas/

[Anonymous]

My preschooler has been in school with no masks for over a year. No covid. No quarantines. No hospitalizations. No deaths. Our whole family has remained totally fine and healthy.

I recommend reading and watching news from other countries. The messaging in the US is terrible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My preschooler has been in school with no masks for over a year. No covid. No quarantines. No hospitalizations. No deaths. Our whole family has remained totally fine and healthy.

I recommend reading and watching news from other countries. The messaging in the US is terrible.

Agreed. Get out of your bubble and see how things are elsewhere. Don’t even have to leave the country! There are parts of the US that are back to ‘normal’.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My preschooler has been in school with no masks for over a year. No covid. No quarantines. No hospitalizations. No deaths. Our whole family has remained totally fine and healthy.

I recommend reading and watching news from other countries. The messaging in the US is terrible.

Agreed. Get out of your bubble and see how things are elsewhere. Don’t even have to leave the country! There are parts of the US that are back to ‘normal’.

Giving examples is one thing.
The important and difficult thing is to show that these examples had a better outcome. A lower number of deaths for instance.
Note also that many European countries had lock downs this winter. Other countries introduce vaccine mandates to all adults.
I do not see any of these measures here.
Unfortunately, proper masking is still superior to any other measure (except strict lock downs) including vaccines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My preschooler has been in school with no masks for over a year. No covid. No quarantines. No hospitalizations. No deaths. Our whole family has remained totally fine and healthy.

I recommend reading and watching news from other countries. The messaging in the US is terrible.

Agreed. Get out of your bubble and see how things are elsewhere. Don’t even have to leave the country! There are parts of the US that are back to ‘normal’.

Giving examples is one thing.
The important and difficult thing is to show that these examples had a better outcome. A lower number of deaths for instance.
Note also that many European countries had lock downs this winter. Other countries introduce vaccine mandates to all adults.
I do not see any of these measures here.
Unfortunately, proper masking is still superior to any other measure (except strict lock downs) including vaccines.

You had me until that line.

No, masking is not better than vaccines at preventing bad at outcomes. This is the anti-vax message that anti-vaxxers cling to.

Vaccines are thousands of times better at preventing severe outcomes compared to masks, especially flimsy cloth masks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My preschooler has been in school with no masks for over a year. No covid. No quarantines. No hospitalizations. No deaths. Our whole family has remained totally fine and healthy.

I recommend reading and watching news from other countries. The messaging in the US is terrible.

Agreed. Get out of your bubble and see how things are elsewhere. Don’t even have to leave the country! There are parts of the US that are back to ‘normal’.

Giving examples is one thing.
The important and difficult thing is to show that these examples had a better outcome. A lower number of deaths for instance.
Note also that many European countries had lock downs this winter. Other countries introduce vaccine mandates to all adults.
I do not see any of these measures here.
Unfortunately, proper masking is still superior to any other measure (except strict lock downs) including vaccines.

You had me until that line.

No, masking is not better than vaccines at preventing bad at outcomes. This is the anti-vax message that anti-vaxxers cling to.

Vaccines are thousands of times better at preventing severe outcomes compared to masks, especially flimsy cloth masks.

In general, you are right.
Note that proper masking does not include cloth masks anymore.
By saying superior, I meant that proper masking may control the spreading.
You are absolutely correct that vaccines are superior after you catch the virus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My preschooler has been in school with no masks for over a year. No covid. No quarantines. No hospitalizations. No deaths. Our whole family has remained totally fine and healthy.

I recommend reading and watching news from other countries. The messaging in the US is terrible.

Agreed. Get out of your bubble and see how things are elsewhere. Don’t even have to leave the country! There are parts of the US that are back to ‘normal’.

Giving examples is one thing.
The important and difficult thing is to show that these examples had a better outcome. A lower number of deaths for instance.
Note also that many European countries had lock downs this winter. Other countries introduce vaccine mandates to all adults.
I do not see any of these measures here.
Unfortunately, proper masking is still superior to any other measure (except strict lock downs) including vaccines.

You had me until that line.

No, masking is not better than vaccines at preventing bad at outcomes. This is the anti-vax message that anti-vaxxers cling to.

Vaccines are thousands of times better at preventing severe outcomes compared to masks, especially flimsy cloth masks.

In general, you are right.
Note that proper masking does not include cloth masks anymore.
By saying superior, I meant that proper masking may control the spreading.
You are absolutely correct that vaccines are superior after you catch the virus.

Look at us

Two people agreeing on DCUM

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My preschooler has been in school with no masks for over a year. No covid. No quarantines. No hospitalizations. No deaths. Our whole family has remained totally fine and healthy.

I recommend reading and watching news from other countries. The messaging in the US is terrible.

Agreed. Get out of your bubble and see how things are elsewhere. Don’t even have to leave the country! There are parts of the US that are back to ‘normal’.

Giving examples is one thing.
The important and difficult thing is to show that these examples had a better outcome. A lower number of deaths for instance.
Note also that many European countries had lock downs this winter. Other countries introduce vaccine mandates to all adults.
I do not see any of these measures here.
Unfortunately, proper masking is still superior to any other measure (except strict lock downs) including vaccines.

You had me until that line.

No, masking is not better than vaccines at preventing bad at outcomes. This is the anti-vax message that anti-vaxxers cling to.

Vaccines are thousands of times better at preventing severe outcomes compared to masks, especially flimsy cloth masks.

In general, you are right.
Note that proper masking does not include cloth masks anymore.
By saying superior, I meant that proper masking may control the spreading.
You are absolutely correct that vaccines are superior after you catch the virus.

Look at us

Two people agreeing on DCUM

....aaaaaaaand SCENE

quick: lock the thread, lock the thread!!

[Anonymous]

This thread is always good for a laugh. It's an impressive 25 page troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My preschooler has been in school with no masks for over a year. No covid. No quarantines. No hospitalizations. No deaths. Our whole family has remained totally fine and healthy.

I recommend reading and watching news from other countries. The messaging in the US is terrible.

You've been lucky. We had a relative die last weekend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My preschooler has been in school with no masks for over a year. No covid. No quarantines. No hospitalizations. No deaths. Our whole family has remained totally fine and healthy.

I recommend reading and watching news from other countries. The messaging in the US is terrible.

You've been lucky. We had a relative die last weekend.

"As of Saturday morning 2,391 new cases and 44 deaths were reported in 24 hours."
https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/covid-19-in-maryland-positivity-rate-10hospitalizations-drop-below-2000

Some people live in their own little fantasy world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My preschooler has been in school with no masks for over a year. No covid. No quarantines. No hospitalizations. No deaths. Our whole family has remained totally fine and healthy.

I recommend reading and watching news from other countries. The messaging in the US is terrible.

You've been lucky. We had a relative die last weekend.

I’m so sorry

What does that have to do with forced masking of 3-4 year olds?

[Anonymous]

I do agree that at a point it needs to be treated like we treat the flu. Yes people die from the flu but less likely if you get the vaccine. We don’t shut everything down for a regular flu season either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do agree that at a point it needs to be treated like we treat the flu. Yes people die from the flu but less likely if you get the vaccine. We don’t shut everything down for a regular flu season either.

In the US a typical number of flu deaths per season is 35,000.
The worst years, flu deaths may reach up to 50-60k, without any measures.
COVID took 62,000 lives only this January and 240,000 lives since September, with measures and vaccines.