Banneker versus School Without Walls

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:24 pages of white folks tripping all over themselves to justify not considering Banneker for their kids when we all know the real reason why.

Many of the posters here are Black....stop making assumptions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This 20 pages of fuss is about 1111 average SAT scores? Honestly, I think I got an 1100 back in the day -- I got into a good college and have done just fine. If your student puts in the work at Banneker I'm sure they'll score very well.

Also huge overreaction to students not finishing the full IB Diploma. Achieving that is a Navy Seal worthy accomplishment. My high school also had the IB diploma and in most cases the IB kids who did not pursue the full diploma were the smarter ones. They had other things to do with their time like music, student government, sports, etc. They also had a healthier social life, which is important.

I hope no one uses this thread to inform their choice about Banneker. Always best thing is to talk students, families, and teachers, and get a real feel for the school.

Total BS. You must not have earned an IB Diploma. I did, at one of the first 100 public high schools in the country offering IB, in the 1980s. My HS was in a working-class community, yet most of us who earned the Diploma went on to top colleges on a lot of financial aid, or to military academies.

It's just not very difficult for a teen to scrape by on IB Diploma, earning a pass in the mid 20s. Earning a pass points total in the high 30s or low 40s, that's another story. If the US is going to compete with Asia economically in the coming century, we need to up our game in K-12 education, period. IBD studies can help. Banneker/DCPS shouldn't be let off the hook for its crappy standardized test scores and weak IBD results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:24 pages of white folks tripping all over themselves to justify not considering Banneker for their kids when we all know the real reason why.

Many of the posters here are Black....stop making assumptions.

And some of us are Asians. We're Asians from low SES immigrant backgrounds who earned SAT math scores in the 700s although our parents English was crap. The main reason why we don't consider Banneker is because the school's standardized test scores suck while ours didn't. We also don't consider it because it's an historically black institutions and we're not black.

[Anonymous]

I'm not Asian, but your post veers close to a racial slur, PP.

Low SES Asians seldom get a break for low, or even average, standardized test scores in college admissions in this country. The issue has of course been well researched. Stands to reason that Asian applicants tend to prioritize achieving high scores. They don't have much choice. The Supreme Court might start moving to change that in 2022.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not Asian, but your post veers close to a racial slur, PP.

Low SES Asians seldom get a break for low, or even average, standardized test scores in college admissions in this country. The issue has of course been well researched. Stands to reason that Asian applicants tend to prioritize achieving high scores. They don't have much choice. The Supreme Court might start moving to change that in 2022.

Private universities can admit anyone they choose. It’s their decision. Everyone must compete for spots. Just because you are unhappy with their choice doesn’t mean it’s illegal. Last I checked, Asians were still being admitted to universities and college, just not maybe their first choice…. Just like every other racial and ethnic group in the US.

[Anonymous]

PP is right that the Supreme Court might move to roll back affirmative action-based admissions that hurt Asian applicants overall shortly, at least at public universities.

Looks like the NC case heading to the SC merit docket in 2022 or 2023.

American colleges can't always do exactly do whatever they want in admissions, as recent admissions scandals demonstrate.

[Anonymous]

So nobody without a kid currently attending Banneker has standing to comment critically on this thread? Not those whose tax dollars finance the school, those who volunteer there, those who've worked there, those whose children have graduated, those who turned down spots, those who follow developments at the school?

Right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This 20 pages of fuss is about 1111 average SAT scores? Honestly, I think I got an 1100 back in the day -- I got into a good college and have done just fine. If your student puts in the work at Banneker I'm sure they'll score very well.

Also huge overreaction to students not finishing the full IB Diploma. Achieving that is a Navy Seal worthy accomplishment. My high school also had the IB diploma and in most cases the IB kids who did not pursue the full diploma were the smarter ones. They had other things to do with their time like music, student government, sports, etc. They also had a healthier social life, which is important.

I hope no one uses this thread to inform their choice about Banneker. Always best thing is to talk students, families, and teachers, and get a real feel for the school.

Total BS. You must not have earned an IB Diploma. I did, at one of the first 100 public high schools in the country offering IB, in the 1980s. My HS was in a working-class community, yet most of us who earned the Diploma went on to top colleges on a lot of financial aid, or to military academies.

It's just not very difficult for a teen to scrape by on IB Diploma, earning a pass in the mid 20s. Earning a pass points total in the high 30s or low 40s, that's another story. If the US is going to compete with Asia economically in the coming century, we need to up our game in K-12 education, period. IBD studies can help. Banneker/DCPS shouldn't be let off the hook for its crappy standardized test scores and weak IBD results.

I received the IB diploma in the mid-90s. It was a lot of work!!! I did get 6s in 5 subjects and one 7. I had the second language. My school was probably split 70/30 with students who did the diploma and those who didn't (this was in Europe where majority have a second language). That said we all took the same classes. There were no non-IB courses offered. I honestly think the main differentiator with whether you went for the diploma or not was the language. So again, do the majority of banneker kids have the second language?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:24 pages of white folks tripping all over themselves to justify not considering Banneker for their kids when we all know the real reason why.

Many of the posters here are Black....stop making assumptions.

And some of us are Asians. We're Asians from low SES immigrant backgrounds who earned SAT math scores in the 700s although our parents English was crap. The main reason why we don't consider Banneker is because the school's standardized test scores suck while ours didn't. We also don't consider it because it's an historically black institutions and we're not black.

Respectfully, the Asian immigrant experience in the USA is not the black experience of the last 400 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This 20 pages of fuss is about 1111 average SAT scores? Honestly, I think I got an 1100 back in the day -- I got into a good college and have done just fine. If your student puts in the work at Banneker I'm sure they'll score very well.

Also huge overreaction to students not finishing the full IB Diploma. Achieving that is a Navy Seal worthy accomplishment. My high school also had the IB diploma and in most cases the IB kids who did not pursue the full diploma were the smarter ones. They had other things to do with their time like music, student government, sports, etc. They also had a healthier social life, which is important.

I hope no one uses this thread to inform their choice about Banneker. Always best thing is to talk students, families, and teachers, and get a real feel for the school.

Total BS. You must not have earned an IB Diploma. I did, at one of the first 100 public high schools in the country offering IB, in the 1980s. My HS was in a working-class community, yet most of us who earned the Diploma went on to top colleges on a lot of financial aid, or to military academies.

It's just not very difficult for a teen to scrape by on IB Diploma, earning a pass in the mid 20s. Earning a pass points total in the high 30s or low 40s, that's another story. If the US is going to compete with Asia economically in the coming century, we need to up our game in K-12 education, period. IBD studies can help. Banneker/DCPS shouldn't be let off the hook for its crappy standardized test scores and weak IBD results.

I received the IB diploma in the mid-90s. It was a lot of work!!! I did get 6s in 5 subjects and one 7. I had the second language. My school was probably split 70/30 with students who did the diploma and those who didn't (this was in Europe where majority have a second language). That said we all took the same classes. There were no non-IB courses offered. I honestly think the main differentiator with whether you went for the diploma or not was the language. So again, do the majority of banneker kids have the second language?

The Banneker IB Diploma students take Spanish at the IBD Standard level and Scrape 2-5s. DCPS language studies aren't remotely serious, other than in a handful of elementary immersion programs and at Adams MS for Spanish.

Banneker just isn't a high-performing magnet and isn't getting improving. Some students get into good colleges anyway. They work hard and benefit from Affirmative Action. This thread is going nowhere, like the segregated high schools in this country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This 20 pages of fuss is about 1111 average SAT scores? Honestly, I think I got an 1100 back in the day -- I got into a good college and have done just fine. If your student puts in the work at Banneker I'm sure they'll score very well.

Also huge overreaction to students not finishing the full IB Diploma. Achieving that is a Navy Seal worthy accomplishment. My high school also had the IB diploma and in most cases the IB kids who did not pursue the full diploma were the smarter ones. They had other things to do with their time like music, student government, sports, etc. They also had a healthier social life, which is important.

I hope no one uses this thread to inform their choice about Banneker. Always best thing is to talk students, families, and teachers, and get a real feel for the school.

Total BS. You must not have earned an IB Diploma. I did, at one of the first 100 public high schools in the country offering IB, in the 1980s. My HS was in a working-class community, yet most of us who earned the Diploma went on to top colleges on a lot of financial aid, or to military academies.

It's just not very difficult for a teen to scrape by on IB Diploma, earning a pass in the mid 20s. Earning a pass points total in the high 30s or low 40s, that's another story. If the US is going to compete with Asia economically in the coming century, we need to up our game in K-12 education, period. IBD studies can help. Banneker/DCPS shouldn't be let off the hook for its crappy standardized test scores and weak IBD results.

I received the IB diploma in the mid-90s. It was a lot of work!!! I did get 6s in 5 subjects and one 7. I had the second language. My school was probably split 70/30 with students who did the diploma and those who didn't (this was in Europe where majority have a second language). That said we all took the same classes. There were no non-IB courses offered. I honestly think the main differentiator with whether you went for the diploma or not was the language. So again, do the majority of banneker kids have the second language?

The Banneker IB Diploma students take Spanish at the IBD Standard level and Scrape 2-5s. DCPS language studies aren't remotely serious, other than in a handful of elementary immersion programs and at Adams MS for Spanish.

Banneker just isn't a high-performing magnet and isn't getting improving. Some students get into good colleges anyway. They work hard and benefit from Affirmative Action. This thread is going nowhere, like the segregated high schools in this country.

We can agree that this thread is going nowhere, especially with your inflammatory posts that got deleted. You will have to find another thread to post your nasty comments. I’m deeply thankful you won’t be joining the Banneker community. Good luck with your high school choice.

[Anonymous]

I don't think you're responding to the right PP.

The most inflammatory posts I've read on this thread attacked Asians. A few of those posts do seem to have been deleted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This 20 pages of fuss is about 1111 average SAT scores? Honestly, I think I got an 1100 back in the day -- I got into a good college and have done just fine. If your student puts in the work at Banneker I'm sure they'll score very well.

Also huge overreaction to students not finishing the full IB Diploma. Achieving that is a Navy Seal worthy accomplishment. My high school also had the IB diploma and in most cases the IB kids who did not pursue the full diploma were the smarter ones. They had other things to do with their time like music, student government, sports, etc. They also had a healthier social life, which is important.

I hope no one uses this thread to inform their choice about Banneker. Always best thing is to talk students, families, and teachers, and get a real feel for the school.

Total BS. You must not have earned an IB Diploma. I did, at one of the first 100 public high schools in the country offering IB, in the 1980s. My HS was in a working-class community, yet most of us who earned the Diploma went on to top colleges on a lot of financial aid, or to military academies.

It's just not very difficult for a teen to scrape by on IB Diploma, earning a pass in the mid 20s. Earning a pass points total in the high 30s or low 40s, that's another story. If the US is going to compete with Asia economically in the coming century, we need to up our game in K-12 education, period. IBD studies can help. Banneker/DCPS shouldn't be let off the hook for its crappy standardized test scores and weak IBD results.

I received the IB diploma in the mid-90s. It was a lot of work!!! I did get 6s in 5 subjects and one 7. I had the second language. My school was probably split 70/30 with students who did the diploma and those who didn't (this was in Europe where majority have a second language). That said we all took the same classes. There were no non-IB courses offered. I honestly think the main differentiator with whether you went for the diploma or not was the language. So again, do the majority of banneker kids have the second language?

The Banneker IB Diploma students take Spanish at the IBD Standard level and Scrape 2-5s. DCPS language studies aren't remotely serious, other than in a handful of elementary immersion programs and at Adams MS for Spanish.

Banneker just isn't a high-performing magnet and isn't getting improving. Some students get into good colleges anyway. They work hard and benefit from Affirmative Action. This thread is going nowhere, like the segregated high schools in this country.

I don't see how DCPS can run a serious IB Diploma program, at Eastern or Banneker, without the second language inputs students need to score average, let alone high. The European poster above is asking an important question.

The only IB Middle Years Program DCPS supports is at Deal, not the middle schools supplying most of Banneker students. Deal feeds into Wilson, which doesn't offer IBD. DCPS wants the Spanish immersion MS students who aren't zoned for Wilson to go on to McFarland, but that program has been rejected by most Spanish immersion ES parents. The result is that few strong language students stay in DCPS outside the Wilson pyramid.

The feeder arrangements are particularly screwed up where language instruction goes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think you're responding to the right PP.

The most inflammatory posts I've read on this thread attacked Asians. A few of those posts do seem to have been deleted.

You missed some outrageously racist posts FROM a self-identified Asian poster(s). I haven’t read any posts that attacked Asians in this thread.

[Anonymous]

Outrageously racist posts pointing out that Asians need to score much higher on standardized test than AAs to get into the same colleges, even where applicants are similar in terms of SES. Study after academic study has reached this conclusion in the last two decades, starting with the National Survey of College Experience in 2009. See Espenshade and Walton. When Asians are accused of being "obsessed" with standardized test scores, as they have been on this thread, you might want to put yourself in their shoes for a minute if you're not Asian-American to ask why.

https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691141602/no-longer-separate-not-yet-equal