US has no good options in Ukraine

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Back in February, Biden said this:

“I will not send American servicemen to fight in Ukraine,” though he added that “if Russia targets Americans in Ukraine, we will respond forcefully.”

So, we have one dead American journalist and one injured.

I am awaiting this "forceful" response.

This was not just any American.

Putin’s military targeted and murdered a very prominent NYT reporter and member of the press corps.

You simply do not murder press without severe consequences.

There is now ample justification for, at a minimum, a full no-fly zone over Ukraine, if not full intervention by NATO forces.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And before he became a president, he was a great comedian, like Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert. This is one of his most famous videos (yes, it's not very polite, but it's very funny):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oua0Puihrkc

My son, 16, just watched this over my shoulder and asked: "And on that basis he was elected President?"

Hmmm...

So you and your son think you are smarter than 70% of the voters in Ukraine ?

Zelenskyy's comedy also included a lot of astute political commentary. Yes, he did win a popular election, but his skeptics and critics were like the 16-year-old son and called him the "TV President" but with the leadership he's shown in the face of the invasion, he has gained massive, almost universal popularity within Ukraine.

Is is great leadership? Zelensky is an incredible, brave person, but I think his naivety is one of the ingredients leading to this situation. The outcome is most likely going to be virtually the same deal that could have been obtained from Russia prior to the outset of the war: an agreement to remain neutral in the struggle between Russia and the West, and an agreement to stay out of NATO.

Nothing will be gained in this fight, yet much will be lost. Don't get me wrong -- he is a remarkably brave person. But Putin is getting old, and it would have been wiser to simply wait him out, while quietly -- as opposed to overtly and brazenly -- developing a relationship with the West. The strategic partnership that Ukraine signed with the US on Nov 10, 2021, was a reckless move -- rather like declaring that Ukraine is engaged to the US, and will get married in the near future. A smarter strategy would have been to quietly build up Ukraine's military capabilities with help from the US, rather than to openly declare this intention.

Prior to the invasion, Zelenskyy's popularity in Ukraine was not high. He was seen as too conciliatory towards Russia, seeking compromise with the neighboring country rather than being a hardliner.

Neither Ukraine nor Zelenskyy are to blame for Russia's belligerence. Nor NATO nor the US etc.

But Zelensky signed off on the Nov 10, 2021 strategic partnership. That was clearly an aggressive move in the eyes of the Russian government. It is worth reading the agreement:

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And why did the US telegraph its moves like this? The build-up of the Ukraine military should have been handled covertly, to the extent possible.

I’ve read this. There is really nothing objectionable here. Nothing offensive - only defensive. Seeks to hold RUS accountable for violations of international law. Affirms UKR territorial integrity. Affirms right of UKR to decide without outside interference about its foreign policy choices. Affirms their NATO cooperation, which they have had for a long time and was a sort of compromise position after Maidan (to be a NATO cooperating country instead of a NATO member).

And do you think a member of the Russian government would share your view? I think the language would be considered threatening from the Russian perspective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are some news that China may help Russia with weapons. Wtf?

It looks like US intercepted a Russian request for MREs since the Russian soldiers are running out of food.

I mean if Russia needed weapons after 2 weeks of this they would not last 3 days with nato in a conventional fight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back in February, Biden said this:

“I will not send American servicemen to fight in Ukraine,” though he added that “if Russia targets Americans in Ukraine, we will respond forcefully.”

So, we have one dead American journalist and one injured.

I am awaiting this "forceful" response.

This was not just any American.

Putin’s military targeted and murdered a very prominent NYT reporter and member of the press corps.

You simply do not murder press without severe consequences.

There is now ample justification for, at a minimum, a full no-fly zone over Ukraine, if not full intervention by NATO forces.

No there isn't. Unfortunately journalists are injured and killed all the time in war zones. That isn't a cause for the US to get involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back in February, Biden said this:

“I will not send American servicemen to fight in Ukraine,” though he added that “if Russia targets Americans in Ukraine, we will respond forcefully.”

So, we have one dead American journalist and one injured.

I am awaiting this "forceful" response.

This was not just any American.

Putin’s military targeted and murdered a very prominent NYT reporter and member of the press corps.

You simply do not murder press without severe consequences.

There is now ample justification for, at a minimum, a full no-fly zone over Ukraine, if not full intervention by NATO forces.

No there isn't. Unfortunately journalists are injured and killed all the time in war zones. That isn't a cause for the US to get involved.

Once again. Biden said this: “I will not send American servicemen to fight in Ukraine,” though he added that “if Russia targets Americans in Ukraine, we will respond forcefully.”

So, we should be expecting a forceful response.
Or, does he not abide by what he says?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back in February, Biden said this:

“I will not send American servicemen to fight in Ukraine,” though he added that “if Russia targets Americans in Ukraine, we will respond forcefully.”

So, we have one dead American journalist and one injured.

I am awaiting this "forceful" response.

This was not just any American.

Putin’s military targeted and murdered a very prominent NYT reporter and member of the press corps.

You simply do not murder press without severe consequences.

There is now ample justification for, at a minimum, a full no-fly zone over Ukraine, if not full intervention by NATO forces.

Te that to Jamal Khasoggi ‘s loves ones. Ain’t gonna happen

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are some news that China may help Russia with weapons. Wtf?

It looks like US intercepted a Russian request for MREs since the Russian soldiers are running out of food.

I mean if Russia needed weapons after 2 weeks of this they would not last 3 days with nato in a conventional fight.

Russia is the number one supplier of arms to China, doubt they need needed help. My guess is they are testing the relationship with China. Interesting to see what China does and US does. China sees lots of upside by throwing Russia a bone, but not at the expense of significant economic backlash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back in February, Biden said this:

“I will not send American servicemen to fight in Ukraine,” though he added that “if Russia targets Americans in Ukraine, we will respond forcefully.”

So, we have one dead American journalist and one injured.

I am awaiting this "forceful" response.

This was not just any American.

Putin’s military targeted and murdered a very prominent NYT reporter and member of the press corps.

You simply do not murder press without severe consequences.

There is now ample justification for, at a minimum, a full no-fly zone over Ukraine, if not full intervention by NATO forces.

No there isn't. Unfortunately journalists are injured and killed all the time in war zones. That isn't a cause for the US to get involved.

Once again. Biden said this: “I will not send American servicemen to fight in Ukraine,” though he added that “if Russia targets Americans in Ukraine, we will respond forcefully.”

So, we should be expecting a forceful response.
Or, does he not abide by what he says?

Biden draws a line in the sand about as well as Obama.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back in February, Biden said this:

“I will not send American servicemen to fight in Ukraine,” though he added that “if Russia targets Americans in Ukraine, we will respond forcefully.”

So, we have one dead American journalist and one injured.

I am awaiting this "forceful" response.

This was not just any American.

Putin’s military targeted and murdered a very prominent NYT reporter and member of the press corps.

You simply do not murder press without severe consequences.

There is now ample justification for, at a minimum, a full no-fly zone over Ukraine, if not full intervention by NATO forces.

I was wondering when the chicken hawks would come out and start squawking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back in February, Biden said this:

“I will not send American servicemen to fight in Ukraine,” though he added that “if Russia targets Americans in Ukraine, we will respond forcefully.”

So, we have one dead American journalist and one injured.

I am awaiting this "forceful" response.

This was not just any American.

Putin’s military targeted and murdered a very prominent NYT reporter and member of the press corps.

You simply do not murder press without severe consequences.

There is now ample justification for, at a minimum, a full no-fly zone over Ukraine, if not full intervention by NATO forces.

Yes, definitely, NOBODY on dcum wants war! I just can't read, said some pp!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back in February, Biden said this:

“I will not send American servicemen to fight in Ukraine,” though he added that “if Russia targets Americans in Ukraine, we will respond forcefully.”

So, we have one dead American journalist and one injured.

I am awaiting this "forceful" response.

This was not just any American.

Putin’s military targeted and murdered a very prominent NYT reporter and member of the press corps.

You simply do not murder press without severe consequences.

There is now ample justification for, at a minimum, a full no-fly zone over Ukraine, if not full intervention by NATO forces.

No there isn't. Unfortunately journalists are injured and killed all the time in war zones. That isn't a cause for the US to get involved.

Ty. The journo was a freelancer, no longer with the Times, for accuracy.

Stop pushing for annihilation and no fly zones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back in February, Biden said this:

“I will not send American servicemen to fight in Ukraine,” though he added that “if Russia targets Americans in Ukraine, we will respond forcefully.”

So, we have one dead American journalist and one injured.

I am awaiting this "forceful" response.

This was not just any American.

Putin’s military targeted and murdered a very prominent NYT reporter and member of the press corps.

You simply do not murder press without severe consequences.

There is now ample justification for, at a minimum, a full no-fly zone over Ukraine, if not full intervention by NATO forces.

No there isn't. Unfortunately journalists are injured and killed all the time in war zones. That isn't a cause for the US to get involved.

Once again. Biden said this: “I will not send American servicemen to fight in Ukraine,” though he added that “if Russia targets Americans in Ukraine, we will respond forcefully.”

So, we should be expecting a forceful response.
Or, does he not abide by what he says?

Lead the way. You first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back in February, Biden said this:

“I will not send American servicemen to fight in Ukraine,” though he added that “if Russia targets Americans in Ukraine, we will respond forcefully.”

So, we have one dead American journalist and one injured.

I am awaiting this "forceful" response.

This was not just any American.

Putin’s military targeted and murdered a very prominent NYT reporter and member of the press corps.

You simply do not murder press without severe consequences.

There is now ample justification for, at a minimum, a full no-fly zone over Ukraine, if not full intervention by NATO forces.

No there isn't. Unfortunately journalists are injured and killed all the time in war zones. That isn't a cause for the US to get involved.

Ty. The journo was a freelancer, no longer with the Times, for accuracy.

Stop pushing for annihilation and no fly zones.

You can practically hear the defense industry slobbering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back in February, Biden said this:

“I will not send American servicemen to fight in Ukraine,” though he added that “if Russia targets Americans in Ukraine, we will respond forcefully.”

So, we have one dead American journalist and one injured.

I am awaiting this "forceful" response.

This was not just any American.

Putin’s military targeted and murdered a very prominent NYT reporter and member of the press corps.

You simply do not murder press without severe consequences.

There is now ample justification for, at a minimum, a full no-fly zone over Ukraine, if not full intervention by NATO forces.

No there isn't. Unfortunately journalists are injured and killed all the time in war zones. That isn't a cause for the US to get involved.

Once again. Biden said this: “I will not send American servicemen to fight in Ukraine,” though he added that “if Russia targets Americans in Ukraine, we will respond forcefully.”

So, we should be expecting a forceful response.
Or, does he not abide by what he says?

Lead the way. You first.

+1
Ukraine is also welcoming volunteers. Why aren’t you there, PP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back in February, Biden said this:

“I will not send American servicemen to fight in Ukraine,” though he added that “if Russia targets Americans in Ukraine, we will respond forcefully.”

So, we have one dead American journalist and one injured.

I am awaiting this "forceful" response.

This was not just any American.

Putin’s military targeted and murdered a very prominent NYT reporter and member of the press corps.

You simply do not murder press without severe consequences.

There is now ample justification for, at a minimum, a full no-fly zone over Ukraine, if not full intervention by NATO forces.

Yes, definitely, NOBODY on dcum wants war! I just can't read, said some pp!

Yes, I apologize. You can read.

You just can't do math and understand that the immense majority do not want war.