Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone summarize the political leanings of the shooter?

The only intel is that he inscirbed anti fascist messages on the gun and bullets. He also wore a Halloween costume mocking Trump. He's likely left leaning.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the prez had moved on already, lol.

LOL! That's a case study in how fast media cycles move. From one sentence to the next.

It's like Charlie has been tossed aside like a piece of garbage now that his death is no longer useful to serve an agenda.

You are talking as if Charlie just turned into a piece of garbage. He has been a piece of garbage his all useless life.

Yeah. Any violent death like that is tragic. Those types of deaths happen every day. Charlie Kirk was a bad person and while the manner and circumstances of his death are tragic, the world is a better place without him.

Kirk was not a nice person given his public statements. However, he did not deserve to be shot like he was. He deserved to become painfully unpopular and a social pariah but not assassinated in front of his wife and kids.

+1. I feel as horrified in this situation as I do in all the other MANY cases of mental illness + guns resulting in a traumatic incident. Not only to Kirk and his family but everyone there was traumatized. Gun control. Now.

I have supported sensible gun control for my entire adult life but there is not a thing sensible gun control could do to prevent this shooting.

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Anonymous wrote:This is from last night, Fuentes recognized one of his own.

So he already suspected it was one of his people or whatever?

Even more disturbing are the comments and replies to this video. If these are not bots or trolls then there are a number of people out there ready to take up arms for (their version of) Christianity.

Don’t worry, this 22 year old with zero national security experience is totally on it. Sleep well.

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The slogans were accompanied by left-wing symbols, like an up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows.

Please explain to the class how these symbols are “left-wing.” TIA!

It’s a Headstamps. Everyone knows it. Even maga.

I think you need to read updated news articles. That was yesterday’s news. Maybe read the transcript or watch the press conference from earlier.

lol what you going to shoot me? It’s a Headstamps. Provide some evidence that is not maybe up internet stuff. Like you heard it from a bot on twitter with 5 followers.

I linked the press conference.


Stop gaslighting and actually get your facts straight before you post.

Also, why would you say that? I never said anything to indicate I was violent.

So you can not provide links proving your craziness? Got it.

NP. Good lord. Do you fart in our general direction? The scribblings were described at the press conference, which the PP linked. A bit of googling will quickly reveal credible pre-assassination sources on the meaning of the scribblings: One is a reference to an Italian anti-fascist protest song from WW II; one is an anti-Nazi political symbol also from WW II; one said "hey fascist, catch!"; and one said if this hits you, you're gay (for the sarcasm-challenged: I'm hitting you with what you think is cooties). Notice a theme? It sucks that we on the left have to contend with our own mentally ill radical. Sadly, they come in all stripes and we all bear responsibility for that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Arrows

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bella_ciao

No. It said "if you read this you are gay, LMAO."

Thanks for the correction. Same sentiment.

Not at all. "If you read this you are gay" is a dumb internet meme. It is apolitical. It's a thing people used to say on Tumblr and still say on reddit.

I'm not saying this shooter was not a left-oriented radical, but the engraving on the casings is pretty weak evidence.

I think he is just an attention seeking edge lord. He has no ideology.

We are learning much about his upbringing, though. White, Mormon, Utah, guns, law enforcement family. Very white and very right.

Maybe. But that just makes it all the more terrifying about how quickly a university can radicalize kids.

Maybe even more reason for people from this background not to raise their kids around guns. The average person raised by progressives doesn’t know how to make that shot.

I mean my progressive veteran Dad taught us how to shoot... and how to respect guns. Plenty of progressives have guns, we just don't treat them like toys.

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The slogans were accompanied by left-wing symbols, like an up arrow, a right arrow and three down arrows.

Please explain to the class how these symbols are “left-wing.” TIA!

It’s a Headstamps. Everyone knows it. Even maga.

I think you need to read updated news articles. That was yesterday’s news. Maybe read the transcript or watch the press conference from earlier.

lol what you going to shoot me? It’s a Headstamps. Provide some evidence that is not maybe up internet stuff. Like you heard it from a bot on twitter with 5 followers.

I linked the press conference.


Stop gaslighting and actually get your facts straight before you post.

Also, why would you say that? I never said anything to indicate I was violent.

So you can not provide links proving your craziness? Got it.

NP. Good lord. Do you fart in our general direction? The scribblings were described at the press conference, which the PP linked. A bit of googling will quickly reveal credible pre-assassination sources on the meaning of the scribblings: One is a reference to an Italian anti-fascist protest song from WW II; one is an anti-Nazi political symbol also from WW II; one said "hey fascist, catch!"; and one said if this hits you, you're gay (for the sarcasm-challenged: I'm hitting you with what you think is cooties). Notice a theme? It sucks that we on the left have to contend with our own mentally ill radical. Sadly, they come in all stripes and we all bear responsibility for that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Arrows

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bella_ciao

No. It said "if you read this you are gay, LMAO."

Thanks for the correction. Same sentiment.

Not at all. "If you read this you are gay" is a dumb internet meme. It is apolitical. It's a thing people used to say on Tumblr and still say on reddit.

I'm not saying this shooter was not a left-oriented radical, but the engraving on the casings is pretty weak evidence.

I think he is just an attention seeking edge lord. He has no ideology.

We are learning much about his upbringing, though. White, Mormon, Utah, guns, law enforcement family. Very white and very right.

Maybe. But that just makes it all the more terrifying about how quickly a university can radicalize kids.

Like by going to a Turning Point debate?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone summarize the political leanings of the shooter?

The only intel is that he inscirbed anti fascist messages on the gun and bullets. He also wore a Halloween costume mocking Trump. He's likely left leaning.

So, for the record, are Trump supporters pro-Facism?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a sad turning point in America.

We are all doomed.

We’re only doomed if we don’t get maga violence in check and stopped. These people are willing to kill and are armed to the teeth. We MUST get them under control. If we don’t not, then yes, we are doomed.

You have no idea if this was a crazy democrat but you're very quick to blame trump supporters. I don't think your comments going to age well.

Anti-Fa is violent. Why don't you get that in check?

Antifa isn’t a thing. If it were they would be in DC right now fighting the actual fascist take over of the city. I mean I saw a group of masked men tackling another while driving my child to school. Antifa was a bunch of Bugaloo Boyz dressed up pretending.

Lol....if you don't like something you call it fascist. Go back to school.

ACcording to the Internet:

Fascism is a far-right, ultranationalist, and authoritarian political ideology characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized power, suppression of opposition, and a belief in the supremacy of the nation over the individual. It is distinguished by its extreme nationalism, often involving a fixation on national decline, a rejection of democratic principles, and the use of militarism and propaganda to control society and promote a vision of national rebirth and purity."

I mean... ultra-nationalist, far-right, centralized power, suppression of opposition, fixation on national decline, rejection of demcoratic principles and use of militarism and propaganda...

I'm not putting value judgements on it, but this is what Trump is doing. I don't think he's a Hitler-style fascist, I think he's more like Franco. More of a corporate-friendly fascist.

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Just reading the news after a busy morning.

I'm glad they caught the killer.

I see that he's not a trans activist. He apparently is against fascists. And he's apparently a gamer. OK.

Not a very ultra-left sort of person, in my opinion. Just another mentally ill weirdo obsessed with guns.

"Just another mentally ill weirdo obsessed with guns."

So in other words a liberal.

I love how quickly the talking points have shifted now that it's been proven that the assassin was a rightwing nutjob that you've contorted yourself into a position that now it's actually liberals who are obsessed with guns. Kudos!

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone summarize the political leanings of the shooter?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers

So they thought Kirk wasn’t fascist enough?

Yep, it's looking like Kirk was killed, ironically, for not being right wing enough for them.

This is so nutballs. If anything else, I now know a whole lot more about ultra right politics. Who knew that Kirk was mainstream?

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If this kid is smart he will tell them that if they don’t offer a plea deal with the death penalty off the table then he’s going to tell the “truth” at trial…that he killed Kirk for being soft on Epstein and not demanding the release of the files.

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Anonymous wrote:Maxine Waters literally old her followers to go out and physically harm Trump. Why wasn't she arrested?

This is a thread about a rightwing extremist assassinating Charlie Kirk. Can you please stay on topic?

You mean a left wing extremist. There fixed it for you.

You’re clearly committed to being the last one holding the bag.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the prez had moved on already, lol.

LOL! That's a case study in how fast media cycles move. From one sentence to the next.

It's like Charlie has been tossed aside like a piece of garbage now that his death is no longer useful to serve an agenda.

You are talking as if Charlie just turned into a piece of garbage. He has been a piece of garbage his all useless life.

Yeah. Any violent death like that is tragic. Those types of deaths happen every day. Charlie Kirk was a bad person and while the manner and circumstances of his death are tragic, the world is a better place without him.

Kirk was not a nice person given his public statements. However, he did not deserve to be shot like he was. He deserved to become painfully unpopular and a social pariah but not assassinated in front of his wife and kids.

+1. I feel as horrified in this situation as I do in all the other MANY cases of mental illness + guns resulting in a traumatic incident. Not only to Kirk and his family but everyone there was traumatized. Gun control. Now.

I have supported sensible gun control for my entire adult life but there is not a thing sensible gun control could do to prevent this shooting.

Repeating the lie over and over doesn't make it true. The messages were 4Chan gaming references.

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Just reading the news after a busy morning.

I'm glad they caught the killer.

I see that he's not a trans activist. He apparently is against fascists. And he's apparently a gamer. OK.

Not a very ultra-left sort of person, in my opinion. Just another mentally ill weirdo obsessed with guns.

I think we can all agree that this person had mental problems, and spent a lot of time on the internet. The only information we have on his motive is what he wrote on the casings, and those were anti-fascist taunts. Sorry, folks, but anti-fascist is not a right wing thing. Maybe there will be more context that will paint a mixed picture but so far, nothing suggests right wing extremism here.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone summarize the political leanings of the shooter?

The only intel is that he inscirbed anti fascist messages on the gun and bullets. He also wore a Halloween costume mocking Trump. He's likely left leaning.

He's a white, Christian, gun-loving Republican raised in a good home. Dad was a minister and LEO. Don't let the bots from China-Russia fool you.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone summarize the political leanings of the shooter?

The only intel is that he inscirbed anti fascist messages on the gun and bullets. He also wore a Halloween costume mocking Trump. He's likely left leaning.

Is that why Trump stopped calling for the death penalty?