Biden's VP?

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is that he really wants to do Whitmer or Rice and doesn't want to do Harris. Demmings was a gimmick pick and he doesnt think Bass gas the gravitas.

I think his own personal first choice would be Rice - they know each other really well from the Obama admin, and all the articles about his VP search say he wants a partner and someone he already knows and trusts. But, she does carry a lot of Obama administration baggage and I’m sure Republicans would love to throw out the “Clinton Obama Benghazi emails rarrrrrr” red meat to the base.

Demmings may be a gimmick to you - for me, as a public interest lobbyist, I have been nothing but impressed by her. Wish even 50% of Dem caucus was as well-prepared as she is for hearings and floor time. She is fluent with the materials and subject matter, clearly reading memos and listening to her staff (who also appear top notch). Perhaps the law enforcement background was seen as a detraction - that said, really like her and hope she has a long future in national Dem politics.

I like her for that, too, but that’s also why I like Warren.

I like Warren too. I read her book The Two Income Trap a long time ago. It really explained the middle class was cash strapped and single moms were falling even further behind. Biden should pick Whitmer or Duckworth. I agree Rice could be Sec of State.

DP, and largely agree. It’s always been Whitmer as the wisest pick with all things being equal. Still think Grisham is a strong parallel to her, but Whitmer has some national recognition because she is “that woman”.

Joe Biden isn't going to pick a white woman for the Veep no matterr how many times some of you middled aged white women on dcum fantasize over it . But you know what ? I really want Biden —who is only marginally better than trump intellectually — to pick a white woman .On election day , you'll find out that trump is far from the worst thing that has ever happened to AAs. Not long ago, some of you were all calling klobuchar a 'shoe-in'

I’m PP you’re responding to, advocating for Whitmer. I’m black, and I’m in my early 30s. So, not exactly fitting your description of these middle aged white women fantasizing about the same. What do I fantasize over? I’ll give you a hint. It starts with opening the aperture amongst narrow minded posters like you.

You may fancy yourself enlightened but you're NOT. For better or worse , politics boils down to 'you scratch my back I scratch yours ' . Putting that aside , I challenge you to find a vice presidential candidate since reagan who had little to no foreign policy experience as whitmer ? If Biden was picked over Tim kaine by Obama in 2008 , it was precisely because of his foreign policy experience—he had sat on the Senate foreign affairs committee for a long time .

Dick cheney had once been a defense secretary , a chief of staff and elected federal official . Nobody under Veep consideration in 2000 came close to his foreign policy resume

Al Gore had been in Congress for decades before Clinton tapped him for the no2. Spot.

George H. W. Bush had a long foreign policy resume which before being tapped as Reagan no.2 culminated in him being CIA director.


Setting aside the clear demographic implications of this election, whitmer has no foreign policy whatsoever compared to rice , Harris and bass . This isn't hearsay , these are the facts . What exactly is the upside of picking her ? The Midwest ? Laughable .

PP. I don’t fancy anything missy, and if I did, you certainly wouldn’t be the authority on anything pertaining to what I am. You sound... entitled? Starting off a post by telling me I’m ignorant? Huh. Says so much more about you than you may realize. Your immediate false projection tells me that when I enlightened you to my actual demographic, which didn’t fit your ignorant assumption, you felt ... upset about that. And want to tell me what I don’t know. Mmkay.

This post is more for lurkers reading than you, since I figure you’re resolute in your thinking and have a right to that. I advocate for Whitmer for simple reasons: they are the most relevant criteria for this term in this time with this candidacy. We aren’t in 2004 or 1996. We are in fricking 2020 so there is no parallel to a Trump, Obama, Biden, West, or Kardashian. Trump changed the game for better or worse. My rationale has been shared transparently; I gave this in detail much earlier in this thread, though it may have been unpopular opinion at the time. Whitmer is white and won’t rock the boat. She will govern and willingly collaborate with a strong team of support. She is young and new. And foreign policy is something that is handled best by the SecState, which Rice can surely ease into. I mean, Trump stood in front of the queen of England. Not that he is any measuring stick, but there is nowhere to go from there but up. Being able to work across the aisle with the GOP to set national policy and work to repair our neighborhoods stateside will take a lot of grit and a certain personality that can encourage the downtrodden. You have no idea how many people are just reluctant to serve and support our country because of what this president did to Patriots, pushing them away across every agency. We civilians are the servants who brief each administration, so don’t undervalue the power of a team that will clearly be effective. When things are being done the right way, government is boring and that is how it should be. It hasn’t been like that and the clown car is on autopilot, so we need to think about our engagement strategy using the info and tools we have now. This is not like any other election. People are angry at black people. People are angry at the President. Presidents never tweeted before Trump. People are angry with covid, unemployment, healthcare. An entire conglomerate of Republicans have formed numerous groups to support Biden. Whitmer has the broadest appeal to the broadest amount of voters with the least amount of varied risk. I’d challenge that you prove otherwise. She has stood up to Trump nationally and won’t be bullied easily or attacked for the color of her skin. Men will think twice before gender discrimination and mothers will trust her when she discusses vaccines that we should take without Lysol. She is naturally personable and connects easily.

But I’ve also said that Condoleeza Rice would be a huge bomb to drop for completely different reasons. I’ve also argued that Grisham is more limited with a sw strat than the idea of not making her electability about her race, because she looks white too.

You can’t “set aside the clear demographic implications”. That is literally what is driving this vote. Trump got in on those “demographic implications”.
We ain’t in Kansas anymore, Missy. We are all here. All of us. And we are allowed voices of differing opinion while still respecting the power of general agreement. That includes comedians like Sarah Cooper and TikTok teens trolling a rally. You didn’t factor these types of events I to the politics of the 90s and 00s. Times are changing, keep up, big data can tell us a lot more than your desk binder.

Joe has enough foreign policy experience as a former VP to not make this a deal-breaker. And as I’ve also said before BNMW. As most all of my people are at this point. And clearly so are many “middle aged white women”. You do a disservice to everyone when you reduce an anonymous forum to one demographic. There are Asians, Indian, Muslim, Christian, Agnostiv, Athiest, Black, Mixed, and even foreign fingers behind many opinions here. Try to broaden your thinking without intentionally disparaging or trying to intimidate other people. You might enjoy it if you leave the dark side! We should be on the same team.

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You don’t know me, what I know about politics, or anything else. You only know what I choose to share. I won’t make assumptions about you in the future if you will respect the same with me or any other poster.

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Good lord, I don’t think we’ll be seeing that PP anymore thanks to your eviscerating them.

I’m another Black poster who is also quite fond of VP Whitmer. Also, I am a Buttigieg-to-Biden voter, and I hate being put in Black people think boxes.

Kudos to you for your eloquent post.

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Good lord, I don’t think we’ll be seeing that PP anymore thanks to your eviscerating them.

I’m another Black poster who is also quite fond of VP Whitmer. Also, I am a Buttigieg-to-Biden voter, and I hate being put in Black people think boxes.

Kudos to you for your eloquent post.

Agree. A strong post 22:20.
Whitmer will get the swing voters. She did stand up to Trump. She knows what the states need in this crisis we are in. Biden can use his foreign policy experience to pick people to take care of those issues in other positions. Americans want to go to the polls and vote for someone who shares their concerns on what the states need. We are in crisis. Whitmer will get those votes from people who are concerned about Covid, jobs, and human decency.

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Willie Brown wrote and published this Saturday morning, arguing against Kamala Harris as VP, with many discussion points we have shared throughout the thread highlighted. He supports an AG role for her.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/willie-brown-kamala-harris-should-say-no-to-vice-presidency/ar-BB17J8hG

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Anonymous wrote:Willie Brown wrote and published this Saturday morning, arguing against Kamala Harris as VP, with many discussion points we have shared throughout the thread highlighted. He supports an AG role for her.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/willie-brown-kamala-harris-should-say-no-to-vice-presidency/ar-BB17J8hG

Incase anyone is too lazy to read, his arguement is that she is above the VP slot as it isn’t really an influential position and that Harris would have way more authority as AG.

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Anonymous wrote:Willie Brown wrote and published this Saturday morning, arguing against Kamala Harris as VP, with many discussion points we have shared throughout the thread highlighted. He supports an AG role for her.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/willie-brown-kamala-harris-should-say-no-to-vice-presidency/ar-BB17J8hG

Read it. Sounds to me like Willie Brown is giving Kamala a graceful out for not getting the VP nod. She knows she isn’t getting it so now the rumor will be out there that she declined when she gets the AG spot. She sure is crafty.

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Best article on why Harris may be a star, it is Rice that is truly exceptional and the MVP. And why Warren is out.

https://realcontextnews.com/based-on-experience-susan-rice-is-easily-by-far-the-best-choice-for-vp-for-biden-sorry-harris-fans-that-includes-kamala/

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is that he really wants to do Whitmer or Rice and doesn't want to do Harris. Demmings was a gimmick pick and he doesnt think Bass gas the gravitas.

I think his own personal first choice would be Rice - they know each other really well from the Obama admin, and all the articles about his VP search say he wants a partner and someone he already knows and trusts. But, she does carry a lot of Obama administration baggage and I’m sure Republicans would love to throw out the “Clinton Obama Benghazi emails rarrrrrr” red meat to the base.

Demmings may be a gimmick to you - for me, as a public interest lobbyist, I have been nothing but impressed by her. Wish even 50% of Dem caucus was as well-prepared as she is for hearings and floor time. She is fluent with the materials and subject matter, clearly reading memos and listening to her staff (who also appear top notch). Perhaps the law enforcement background was seen as a detraction - that said, really like her and hope she has a long future in national Dem politics.

I like her for that, too, but that’s also why I like Warren.

I like Warren too. I read her book The Two Income Trap a long time ago. It really explained the middle class was cash strapped and single moms were falling even further behind. Biden should pick Whitmer or Duckworth. I agree Rice could be Sec of State.

DP, and largely agree. It’s always been Whitmer as the wisest pick with all things being equal. Still think Grisham is a strong parallel to her, but Whitmer has some national recognition because she is “that woman”.

Joe Biden isn't going to pick a white woman for the Veep no matterr how many times some of you middled aged white women on dcum fantasize over it . But you know what ? I really want Biden —who is only marginally better than trump intellectually — to pick a white woman .On election day , you'll find out that trump is far from the worst thing that has ever happened to AAs. Not long ago, some of you were all calling klobuchar a 'shoe-in'

I’m PP you’re responding to, advocating for Whitmer. I’m black, and I’m in my early 30s. So, not exactly fitting your description of these middle aged white women fantasizing about the same. What do I fantasize over? I’ll give you a hint. It starts with opening the aperture amongst narrow minded posters like you.

You may fancy yourself enlightened but you're NOT. For better or worse , politics boils down to 'you scratch my back I scratch yours ' . Putting that aside , I challenge you to find a vice presidential candidate since reagan who had little to no foreign policy experience as whitmer ? If Biden was picked over Tim kaine by Obama in 2008 , it was precisely because of his foreign policy experience—he had sat on the Senate foreign affairs committee for a long time .

Dick cheney had once been a defense secretary , a chief of staff and elected federal official . Nobody under Veep consideration in 2000 came close to his foreign policy resume

Al Gore had been in Congress for decades before Clinton tapped him for the no2. Spot.

George H. W. Bush had a long foreign policy resume which before being tapped as Reagan no.2 culminated in him being CIA director.


Setting aside the clear demographic implications of this election, whitmer has no foreign policy whatsoever compared to rice , Harris and bass . This isn't hearsay , these are the facts . What exactly is the upside of picking her ? The Midwest ? Laughable .

PP. I don’t fancy anything missy, and if I did, you certainly wouldn’t be the authority on anything pertaining to what I am. You sound... entitled? Starting off a post by telling me I’m ignorant? Huh. Says so much more about you than you may realize. Your immediate false projection tells me that when I enlightened you to my actual demographic, which didn’t fit your ignorant assumption, you felt ... upset about that. And want to tell me what I don’t know. Mmkay.

This post is more for lurkers reading than you, since I figure you’re resolute in your thinking and have a right to that. I advocate for Whitmer for simple reasons: they are the most relevant criteria for this term in this time with this candidacy. We aren’t in 2004 or 1996. We are in fricking 2020 so there is no parallel to a Trump, Obama, Biden, West, or Kardashian. Trump changed the game for better or worse. My rationale has been shared transparently; I gave this in detail much earlier in this thread, though it may have been unpopular opinion at the time. Whitmer is white and won’t rock the boat. She will govern and willingly collaborate with a strong team of support. She is young and new. And foreign policy is something that is handled best by the SecState, which Rice can surely ease into. I mean, Trump stood in front of the queen of England. Not that he is any measuring stick, but there is nowhere to go from there but up. Being able to work across the aisle with the GOP to set national policy and work to repair our neighborhoods stateside will take a lot of grit and a certain personality that can encourage the downtrodden. You have no idea how many people are just reluctant to serve and support our country because of what this president did to Patriots, pushing them away across every agency. We civilians are the servants who brief each administration, so don’t undervalue the power of a team that will clearly be effective. When things are being done the right way, government is boring and that is how it should be. It hasn’t been like that and the clown car is on autopilot, so we need to think about our engagement strategy using the info and tools we have now. This is not like any other election. People are angry at black people. People are angry at the President. Presidents never tweeted before Trump. People are angry with covid, unemployment, healthcare. An entire conglomerate of Republicans have formed numerous groups to support Biden. Whitmer has the broadest appeal to the broadest amount of voters with the least amount of varied risk. I’d challenge that you prove otherwise. She has stood up to Trump nationally and won’t be bullied easily or attacked for the color of her skin. Men will think twice before gender discrimination and mothers will trust her when she discusses vaccines that we should take without Lysol. She is naturally personable and connects easily.

But I’ve also said that Condoleeza Rice would be a huge bomb to drop for completely different reasons. I’ve also argued that Grisham is more limited with a sw strat than the idea of not making her electability about her race, because she looks white too.

You can’t “set aside the clear demographic implications”. That is literally what is driving this vote. Trump got in on those “demographic implications”.
We ain’t in Kansas anymore, Missy. We are all here. All of us. And we are allowed voices of differing opinion while still respecting the power of general agreement. That includes comedians like Sarah Cooper and TikTok teens trolling a rally. You didn’t factor these types of events I to the politics of the 90s and 00s. Times are changing, keep up, big data can tell us a lot more than your desk binder.

Joe has enough foreign policy experience as a former VP to not make this a deal-breaker. And as I’ve also said before BNMW. As most all of my people are at this point. And clearly so are many “middle aged white women”. You do a disservice to everyone when you reduce an anonymous forum to one demographic. There are Asians, Indian, Muslim, Christian, Agnostiv, Athiest, Black, Mixed, and even foreign fingers behind many opinions here. Try to broaden your thinking without intentionally disparaging or trying to intimidate other people. You might enjoy it if you leave the dark side! We should be on the same team.

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You don’t know me, what I know about politics, or anything else. You only know what I choose to share. I won’t make assumptions about you in the future if you will respect the same with me or any other poster.

NP: I’m a lurker, I‘ve only read a few pages of this, and I freely admit that I can’t keep up. Until reading this post, the only Rice that I thought was on Biden’s short list was Susan Rice. Is Condoleeza Rice actually on the list as well? Or is Condoleeza Rice only on your personal list as a “huge bomb to drop”?

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Anonymous wrote:Willie Brown wrote and published this Saturday morning, arguing against Kamala Harris as VP, with many discussion points we have shared throughout the thread highlighted. He supports an AG role for her.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/willie-brown-kamala-harris-should-say-no-to-vice-presidency/ar-BB17J8hG

Incase anyone is too lazy to read, his arguement is that she is above the VP slot as it isn’t really an influential position and that Harris would have way more authority as AG.

I find it disgusting in every way that he feels entitled to weigh in on her career choices. She doesn’t care about being vp, she’s gunning for president (and Joe Biden knows it). All the traditional canards about vp don’t apply this time.

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Anonymous wrote:Willie Brown wrote and published this Saturday morning, arguing against Kamala Harris as VP, with many discussion points we have shared throughout the thread highlighted. He supports an AG role for her.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/willie-brown-kamala-harris-should-say-no-to-vice-presidency/ar-BB17J8hG

Incase anyone is too lazy to read, his arguement is that she is above the VP slot as it isn’t really an influential position and that Harris would have way more authority as AG.

I find it disgusting in every way that he feels entitled to weigh in on her career choices. She doesn’t care about being vp, she’s gunning for president (and Joe Biden knows it). All the traditional canards about vp don’t apply this time.

I wouldn’t think too much into it. He comments on everything in the political world. The dude has the one of the biggest egos in politics, so him giving “advice” just fuels that.

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My takeaway from this sort of weird thread is that the white woman who looks like any third white woman in a generic UMC suburb—will get the nod because she is the “safe” choice. She will thrill the suburban white women who see themselves and their daughters in her and be ok enough for their husbands. Clinches MI and PA and maybe helps elsewhere in other parts of flyover country, Biden’s “gaffe” perhaps suggests he may think African Americans will support him 96-4 in any and all events. Harris becomes AG and S.Rice becomes sec. of state. Maybe the thought is that the vaguely racist male swing voters would be turned off by a woman of color VP. That’s the post, folks.

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Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from this sort of weird thread is that the white woman who looks like any third white woman in a generic UMC suburb—will get the nod because she is the “safe” choice. She will thrill the suburban white women who see themselves and their daughters in her and be ok enough for their husbands. Clinches MI and PA and maybe helps elsewhere in other parts of flyover country, Biden’s “gaffe” perhaps suggests he may think African Americans will support him 96-4 in any and all events. Harris becomes AG and S.Rice becomes sec. of state. Maybe the thought is that the vaguely racist male swing voters would be turned off by a woman of color VP. That’s the post, folks.

Depressing.

Terribly upset by the white women who overwhelmingly gave us Trump, and now Whitmer. They are as racist and sexist as the white men. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:Kamala Harris won't be the pick. There's too much bad blood between the two and it doesn't look like Biden ever got over the accusation of racism . I'm glad that Harris has stood her ground and personally I hope she declines a cabinet position if it's offered to her . She'll be more effective and have more influence being a senator than essentially sitting on an ejectable chair which is what cabinet positions are.

Cabinet positions are only ejectable chairs in the Trump administration. Biden's AG is a great opportunity for meaningful reforms without all the congressional bureaucracy, and for publicity. She could be the next Bobby Kennedy. A Nytimes article said she's open to it and it would be smart of her to consider it. I don't know that there's actually bad blood, since they've been fundraising together, though maybe she's the one who will hold a grudge if she's not the VP pick. But I'd also love Sally Yates in the position, and so would Biden if Harris isn't interested.

Kamala should hold out for the Supreme Court pick. She would automatically be in the top five, probably the top three. She has been an AG before.

Shocker : the supreme Court gig isn't of interest to everyone .

It was also discussed ad nauseam months ago that she does not possess the conventional qualifications. If you're going to appoint the first Black woman SC justice, you're going to do it absolutely by the book: SC clerkship, judgeship, experience arguing before the SC, academic publications etc.

Plenty of U.S. senators have been appointed to the Supreme Court throughout history, and many have been mentioned as candidates in recent decades. That would also be in this so-called book. If Kamala is not selected as VP and turns down the AG job, she will likely be a candidate for the Supreme Court.

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Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from this sort of weird thread is that the white woman who looks like any third white woman in a generic UMC suburb—will get the nod because she is the “safe” choice. She will thrill the suburban white women who see themselves and their daughters in her and be ok enough for their husbands. Clinches MI and PA and maybe helps elsewhere in other parts of flyover country, Biden’s “gaffe” perhaps suggests he may think African Americans will support him 96-4 in any and all events. Harris becomes AG and S.Rice becomes sec. of state. Maybe the thought is that the vaguely racist male swing voters would be turned off by a woman of color VP. That’s the post, folks.

Depressing.

Terribly upset by the white women who overwhelmingly gave us Trump, and now Whitmer. They are as racist and sexist as the white men. Period.

Depressing. Horribly upset by women who have so much self-hatred that they deny the deep misogyny in the country and foam at the mouth to take down any sting female candidate because she’s not thin enough or brown enough or whatever - as if white women are not worthy of advancement and downplay hundreds of years of oppression of all women in this country. These sexists and racists gave us Trump by (e.g., voting for Jill Stein or voting for their couch). They are as complicit in keeping women down as any man. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from this sort of weird thread is that the white woman who looks like any third white woman in a generic UMC suburb—will get the nod because she is the “safe” choice. She will thrill the suburban white women who see themselves and their daughters in her and be ok enough for their husbands. Clinches MI and PA and maybe helps elsewhere in other parts of flyover country, Biden’s “gaffe” perhaps suggests he may think African Americans will support him 96-4 in any and all events. Harris becomes AG and S.Rice becomes sec. of state. Maybe the thought is that the vaguely racist male swing voters would be turned off by a woman of color VP. That’s the post, folks.

Depressing.

Terribly upset by the white women who overwhelmingly gave us Trump, and now Whitmer. They are as racist and sexist as the white men. Period.

Biden would be the one giving us Whitmer. It his decision and no one else's.

Control of the Senate is important. Rice already withdrew when she was in contention for Sec. of State once before because she could not get confirmed. It might not be much different this time. Harris also might not want to subject herself to the rigorous vetting for AG. Her prosecutorial record will be subject to intense scrutiny, way more than just a few unflattering articles during a presidential campaign. Everything will be viewed with the benefit of 20-20 hindsight.