Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

Where can one learn who the accomplices are?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That lawyer is on CNN. Someone needs to get him a muzzle.

How dare he say "the pizza crust was found outside and the murder took place inside the home"

All he keeps saying is Daron has no convictions. He desperately wants camera time. I'm turning.

I saw him on Megyn Kelly last night and can’t believe what a joke he is.
Yes, people have the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, but to call him a “nice guy” and to pretty much deny other crimes this scumbag has committed is over the top.
He gives lawyers a bad name.

"Ficker" means "f***er" in German. The name definitely fits this motherf***er. This is why people hate criminal defense lawyers - I know that our judicial system requires it, but it's sickening that this animal who tortured and burned a 10 year old will have someone fighting for his acquittal.

He's not an animal. He's doing his job. Defense attorneys are just as important as prosecutors, Nancy Grace.

Oh Jesus. You're not the brightest, huh? Unless he has already been hired by Wint, it is not his job to talk about what a great Wint is on the television.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That lawyer is on CNN. Someone needs to get him a muzzle.

How dare he say "the pizza crust was found outside and the murder took place inside the home"

All he keeps saying is Daron has no convictions. He desperately wants camera time. I'm turning.

I saw him on Megyn Kelly last night and can’t believe what a joke he is.
Yes, people have the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, but to call him a “nice guy” and to pretty much deny other crimes this scumbag has committed is over the top.
He gives lawyers a bad name.

"Ficker" means "f***er" in German. The name definitely fits this motherf***er. This is why people hate criminal defense lawyers - I know that our judicial system requires it, but it's sickening that this animal who tortured and burned a 10 year old will have someone fighting for his acquittal.

He's not an animal. He's doing his job. Defense attorneys are just as important as prosecutors, Nancy Grace.

So tell us, Johnnie Cochran, exactly how you would defend Daron Wint. Let me guess - he is not guilty by reason of insanity. He ate Twinkies and they made him crazy. He had a deprived childhood. It wasn't him, it was his brother. He didn't mean to kill any of these people - things just got out of hand.

You think people shouldn't have defense lawyers? Are you insane? What if, by some terrible mistake, this Wint person is actually innocent? What if YOU were accused of a horrific crime you didn't commit one day, and somehow there was evidence against you?

Some people on this board are so dumb I don't know how they function.

First of all, I don't think that I will ever be accused of robbing, torturing, and murdering a family and their housekeeper and setting their home on fire. My DNA will never be found on a pizza crust at the crime scene. Secondly, I don't think that people shouldn't have defense lawyers - of course they should. That is what differentiates our judicial system from that of other countries. I just don't think criminal defense lawyers should make shit up to defend their guilty clients and fight for their release back into society to commit more crimes.

The part where you are wrong is where you state that defense lawyers shouldn't make shit up to defend their guilty clients, because their clients are innocent until proven guilty. It is the defense attorneys job to make sure that the accused get a fair trial, and to do that is to attack any and all evidence against his client. It is crucial to make sure that people accused of crimes are afforded an effective legal defense because if they do not, convictions can sometimes be overturned on the basis of incompetent counsel in an appeals courts.

I'm the "he's not an animal" PP and agree with this. Everyone has the right to fair trial. Since there's been so much information about the crime, including torturing and setting fire to a child, he's just putting out whstever information he can to make his client appear to be less of a monster. His client cannot possibly have a valid reason for committing these crimes. Our entire judicial system would fail without fair trials, including a defense attorney doing his job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That lawyer is on CNN. Someone needs to get him a muzzle.

How dare he say "the pizza crust was found outside and the murder took place inside the home"

All he keeps saying is Daron has no convictions. He desperately wants camera time. I'm turning.

I saw him on Megyn Kelly last night and can’t believe what a joke he is.
Yes, people have the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, but to call him a “nice guy” and to pretty much deny other crimes this scumbag has committed is over the top.
He gives lawyers a bad name.

"Ficker" means "f***er" in German. The name definitely fits this motherf***er. This is why people hate criminal defense lawyers - I know that our judicial system requires it, but it's sickening that this animal who tortured and burned a 10 year old will have someone fighting for his acquittal.

He's not an animal. He's doing his job. Defense attorneys are just as important as prosecutors, Nancy Grace.

So tell us, Johnnie Cochran, exactly how you would defend Daron Wint. Let me guess - he is not guilty by reason of insanity. He ate Twinkies and they made him crazy. He had a deprived childhood. It wasn't him, it was his brother. He didn't mean to kill any of these people - things just got out of hand.

You think people shouldn't have defense lawyers? Are you insane? What if, by some terrible mistake, this Wint person is actually innocent? What if YOU were accused of a horrific crime you didn't commit one day, and somehow there was evidence against you?

Some people on this board are so dumb I don't know how they function.

First of all, I don't think that I will ever be accused of robbing, torturing, and murdering a family and their housekeeper and setting their home on fire. My DNA will never be found on a pizza crust at the crime scene. Secondly, I don't think that people shouldn't have defense lawyers - of course they should. That is what differentiates our judicial system from that of other countries. I just don't think criminal defense lawyers should make shit up to defend their guilty clients and fight for their release back into society to commit more crimes.

The part where you are wrong is where you state that defense lawyers shouldn't make shit up to defend their guilty clients, because their clients are innocent until proven guilty. It is the defense attorneys job to make sure that the accused get a fair trial, and to do that is to attack any and all evidence against his client. It is crucial to make sure that people accused of crimes are afforded an effective legal defense because if they do not, convictions can sometimes be overturned on the basis of incompetent counsel in an appeals courts.

So an effective legal defense may include lying? If I am a witness and I lie under oath, I am guilty of perjury which is a crime. Is there a similar standard for attorneys?

Of course. Don't be ridiculous. The PP is the one who mentioned lying. A good defense attorney will fight to keep damning evidence out and try to get a lesser sentence. I don't think anyone thinks even a top-notch lawyer is going to be able to get DDW released back into society if his DNA is at the crime scene.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That lawyer is on CNN. Someone needs to get him a muzzle.

How dare he say "the pizza crust was found outside and the murder took place inside the home"

All he keeps saying is Daron has no convictions. He desperately wants camera time. I'm turning.

I saw him on Megyn Kelly last night and can’t believe what a joke he is.
Yes, people have the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, but to call him a “nice guy” and to pretty much deny other crimes this scumbag has committed is over the top.
He gives lawyers a bad name.

"Ficker" means "f***er" in German. The name definitely fits this motherf***er. This is why people hate criminal defense lawyers - I know that our judicial system requires it, but it's sickening that this animal who tortured and burned a 10 year old will have someone fighting for his acquittal.

He's not an animal. He's doing his job. Defense attorneys are just as important as prosecutors, Nancy Grace.

So tell us, Johnnie Cochran, exactly how you would defend Daron Wint. Let me guess - he is not guilty by reason of insanity. He ate Twinkies and they made him crazy. He had a deprived childhood. It wasn't him, it was his brother. He didn't mean to kill any of these people - things just got out of hand.

If there is more than one assailant, my defense strategy would be the point the finger at the other(s). Say I was there but I didn't do it, I was coerced or threatened to be there but didn't want to. If you are the only assailant, try to disprove you weren't there. It is up to the prosecution to prove the case, then you poke the holes. Either way, it sounds like the DNA evidence is solid, so then your strategy may just be to get life in prison and not the death penalty (we don't know yet whether a federal case with that could be maid, but assuming it could be).

This. Sometimes all a criminal defense lawyer can do is try to get life in prison instead of the death penalty. Either way, the perpetrator is eliminated from society and everyone wins.

No. No one "wins".

[Anonymous]

So glad they caught them. We owe the police a lot. I will make a contribution to a police charity today.

I hope they hold and charge the brother up the wazoo -- and everyone else with him.

And I wish DC had the death penalty. I am a liberal but for the worst of the worst it is the right thing. Society should not have to bear the risk of an escape. He doesn't care much about his life anyway, obviously. Even if it is rarely imposed, at least you have something to bargain with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That lawyer is on CNN. Someone needs to get him a muzzle.

How dare he say "the pizza crust was found outside and the murder took place inside the home"

All he keeps saying is Daron has no convictions. He desperately wants camera time. I'm turning.

I saw him on Megyn Kelly last night and can’t believe what a joke he is.
Yes, people have the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, but to call him a “nice guy” and to pretty much deny other crimes this scumbag has committed is over the top.
He gives lawyers a bad name.

"Ficker" means "f***er" in German. The name definitely fits this motherf***er. This is why people hate criminal defense lawyers - I know that our judicial system requires it, but it's sickening that this animal who tortured and burned a 10 year old will have someone fighting for his acquittal.

He's not an animal. He's doing his job. Defense attorneys are just as important as prosecutors, Nancy Grace.

So tell us, Johnnie Cochran, exactly how you would defend Daron Wint. Let me guess - he is not guilty by reason of insanity. He ate Twinkies and they made him crazy. He had a deprived childhood. It wasn't him, it was his brother. He didn't mean to kill any of these people - things just got out of hand.

If there is more than one assailant, my defense strategy would be the point the finger at the other(s). Say I was there but I didn't do it, I was coerced or threatened to be there but didn't want to. If you are the only assailant, try to disprove you weren't there. It is up to the prosecution to prove the case, then you poke the holes. Either way, it sounds like the DNA evidence is solid, so then your strategy may just be to get life in prison and not the death penalty (we don't know yet whether a federal case with that could be maid, but assuming it could be).

His prior crimes cannot come into the trials to prove the likelihood he did this one. But it can be discussed at sentencing.

All you need is one wackadoodle juror, just one, to buy any doubt the defense throughs out. And you never know.....

This Ficker guy wants free publicity, so he's talking all sorts of crazy mumbo jumbo to anyone who will listen. He also probably wants to be the defense attorney for Wint.

I was on a trial in DC a few weeks ago. It was clear as day that the defendant was guilty. The crime was witnessed by 30 some people. The evidence was a clear as glass. There was no doubt.
However, there was one juror who said that he/she would not convict anyone under any circumstances. Never, ever, ever.
After 3 days of deliberation a mistrial was called.
Massive waste of everyone's time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That lawyer is on CNN. Someone needs to get him a muzzle.

How dare he say "the pizza crust was found outside and the murder took place inside the home"

All he keeps saying is Daron has no convictions. He desperately wants camera time. I'm turning.

I saw him on Megyn Kelly last night and can’t believe what a joke he is.
Yes, people have the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, but to call him a “nice guy” and to pretty much deny other crimes this scumbag has committed is over the top.
He gives lawyers a bad name.

"Ficker" means "f***er" in German. The name definitely fits this motherf***er. This is why people hate criminal defense lawyers - I know that our judicial system requires it, but it's sickening that this animal who tortured and burned a 10 year old will have someone fighting for his acquittal.

He's not an animal. He's doing his job. Defense attorneys are just as important as prosecutors, Nancy Grace.

So tell us, Johnnie Cochran, exactly how you would defend Daron Wint. Let me guess - he is not guilty by reason of insanity. He ate Twinkies and they made him crazy. He had a deprived childhood. It wasn't him, it was his brother. He didn't mean to kill any of these people - things just got out of hand.

If there is more than one assailant, my defense strategy would be the point the finger at the other(s). Say I was there but I didn't do it, I was coerced or threatened to be there but didn't want to. If you are the only assailant, try to disprove you weren't there. It is up to the prosecution to prove the case, then you poke the holes. Either way, it sounds like the DNA evidence is solid, so then your strategy may just be to get life in prison and not the death penalty (we don't know yet whether a federal case with that could be maid, but assuming it could be).

This. Sometimes all a criminal defense lawyer can do is try to get life in prison instead of the death penalty. Either way, the perpetrator is eliminated from society and everyone wins.

No. No one "wins".

If a person who commits a horrific crime like this is permanently removed from society, then yes, it is a win.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

This Ficker guy wants free publicity, so he's talking all sorts of crazy mumbo jumbo to anyone who will listen. He also probably wants to be the defense attorney for Wint.

Yes, and his representation of the accused can set up the claim on appeal that the convicted felon had inadequate representation.

[Anonymous]

All of you speculating about charges and the trial and absurd things like twinkie defenses need to hold off here. First of all, we don't know what the evidence is. Lanier has said that there are things being reported that are false and she has not commented on the evidence. Everyone is entitled to a rigorous defense and if that wasn't the case, our entire justice system would crumble. No convictions would have validity.

I'm pretty confident this guy will never walk free again. There's a lot of evidence, a lot of resources have been brought to bear here. And with multiple defendants facing such serious charges, someone will turn. A defense attorney may just try to poke holes where he can and argue that the prosecution hasn't proven its case beyond a reasonable doubt. Or he may focus all his efforts on sentencing (which won't get anywhere, I don't think). All of the home invasion mass murders people have referred to in this thread resulted in convictions. This will too.

[Anonymous]

So glad they caught them. We owe the police a lot. I will make a contribution to a police charity today.

I hope they hold and charge the brother up the wazoo -- and everyone else with him.

And I wish DC had the death penalty. I am a liberal but for the worst of the worst it is the right thing. Society should not have to bear the risk of an escape. He doesn't care much about his life anyway, obviously. Even if it is rarely imposed, at least you have something to bargain with.

LOL

[Anonymous]

I would add that for people with horror stories about juries, if this case goes to trial (as opposed to a plea) jury selection will be incredibly protracted and each potential juror will receive far more scrutiny than usual. And even one juror wants to hang things up, its unfortunate but it just means they do another trial, not that someone goes free.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That lawyer is on CNN. Someone needs to get him a muzzle.

How dare he say "the pizza crust was found outside and the murder took place inside the home"

All he keeps saying is Daron has no convictions. He desperately wants camera time. I'm turning.

I saw him on Megyn Kelly last night and can’t believe what a joke he is.
Yes, people have the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, but to call him a “nice guy” and to pretty much deny other crimes this scumbag has committed is over the top.
He gives lawyers a bad name.

"Ficker" means "f***er" in German. The name definitely fits this motherf***er. This is why people hate criminal defense lawyers - I know that our judicial system requires it, but it's sickening that this animal who tortured and burned a 10 year old will have someone fighting for his acquittal.

He's not an animal. He's doing his job. Defense attorneys are just as important as prosecutors, Nancy Grace.

Oh Jesus. You're not the brightest, huh? Unless he has already been hired by Wint, it is not his job to talk about what a great Wint is on the television.

Some news outlets refer to him as Wint's attorney, as in the present tense. He's not his defense attorney?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of you speculating about charges and the trial and absurd things like twinkie defenses need to hold off here. First of all, we don't know what the evidence is. Lanier has said that there are things being reported that are false and she has not commented on the evidence. Everyone is entitled to a rigorous defense and if that wasn't the case, our entire justice system would crumble. No convictions would have validity.

I'm pretty confident this guy will never walk free again. There's a lot of evidence, a lot of resources have been brought to bear here. And with multiple defendants facing such serious charges, someone will turn. A defense attorney may just try to poke holes where he can and argue that the prosecution hasn't proven its case beyond a reasonable doubt. Or he may focus all his efforts on sentencing (which won't get anywhere, I don't think). All of the home invasion mass murders people have referred to in this thread resulted in convictions. This will too.

I hope you are right. This case is horrifying. I can't imagine what that poor family went through, especially that little boy.

[Anonymous]

So I read they took Wint and his brother into custody---why not the woman driving the getaway car also?