Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To sum up the last two pages:

Q: "What's the benefit of playing CCL, with the extra costs and travel for games that some (but not all) clubs treat as friendlies?"

A: "SHUT up! Just SHUT up! Play rec soccer! Besides, our league wins State Cups!"

I think the best thing you could say about other leagues at this point, including less-elite NCSL and the arguably more-elite EDP, is that they and their fanboys/fangirls are willing to talk about best practices. CCL just seems to adopt a "Shut up -- we know what's best" stance.

None of which should preclude anyone from taking an offer to play for excellent teams in Loudoun, Braddock Road, etc. If that's your best option, and you don't mind the money and travel, great. But if you're weighing options between that and, say, a really good Alexandria, Bethesda, VSA or PWSI team, you should feel free to ask questions. Some of those clubs may have outrageous costs and travel requirements as well. Or not.

I'm the "go find another league" guy not the "CCL wins state champions" guy. I said STFU because, seriously, and this applies to "CCL wins State Champions" guy as well. If you are unhappy with the league then STFU and leave. And to the "CCL wins State Championships" guy, if someone is unhappy with the league, STFU and let them leave.

OK, you get some credit at least for not being the "CCL wins state championships" guy.

The problem with your "go find another league" if you're not happy mantra is that finding another league doesn't help with the problem caused by CCL's spread into NOVA and farther north. As the poster above said, because of CCL, we now have "multiple leagues that separate local area clubs instead of one where all have the opportunity to compete against each other". Stating that the issue only applies to 18 teams per gender doesn't help, because a club's top teams are a big driver of a club's culture. The better they are, the more they inspire the players both on the top teams and on the teams below them. It's helpful to everyone if a club's top team has the opportunity to play both highly competitive local games and good tournament and showcase ones, but as it stands now, only the less good teams in CCL get the full benefit of the competition CCL offers.

CCL's stated mission of fostering development over winning at the younger ages is great, though many CCL teams don't follow those principles, and many clubs and teams outside of CCL do. I just would prefer to see those models gain widespread acceptance in some way that doesn't restrict local competition.

+1

Also, I can't imagine any other product with the sales pitch "STFU and buy something else!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's a breakdown of current State Cup quarterfinalists (group stage):

CCL LOCAL
9 Arlington: U15B, U16B, U17B, U18B*, U19/20B, U16G, U17G, U18G, U19/20G
8 Braddock Road: U15B, U16B*, U17B*, U18B*, U19/20B, U16G*, U17G, U19/20G
8 Loudoun U15B, U17B, U18B*, U19/20B*, U15G, U16G, U18G, U19/20G
3 SYA - U15B, U18B, U15G
2 Lee Mt. Vernon - U15B, U15G
2 McLean - U16B, U18G (note: also plays in ECNL)
1 DC Stoddert - U18B
0 Fredericksburg

CCL DISTANT
7 Beach FC - U16B, U17B, U19/20B, U15G, U16G, U17G, U19/20G
6 SOCA-Charlottesville - U17B, U19/20B, U15G, U17G, U18G, U19/20G
4 Virginia Legacy - U16B, U19/20B, U16G, U17G
1 FC Richmond - U17B
0 Roanoke Star

VPL LOCAL
3 PWSI - U15G, U16G, U19/20G
2 Annandale - U17B, U19/20G*
2 Vienna - U18G, U19/20G
1 FC Virginia - U16G
1 NVSC - U17G
1 VSA - U16B
0 Chantilly

VPL DISTANT (Richmond clubs also funnel players to DA)
4 Virginia Rush - U17B, U18B, U15G, U16G
1 Richmond Strikers - U16B
0 Richmond Kickers

NCSL (playing this fall, maybe also playing EDP?)
1 Alexandria - U15B
1 Barca - U15B
1 Great Falls - U16G

NCSL CLUBS (but teams not playing NCSL this fall -- maybe EDP?)
1 Fauquier County - U18B
1 South County - U17G
1 SYC - U19/20B

EDP-only
1 Bethesda South - U15B

VARIOUS
4 Herndon - U19/20B (NCSL), U15G (EDP), U18G Storm (NCSL), U18G United (EDP?)

ELSEWHERE
1 Western Branch Elite - U18B
1 New River United Elite - U18G

* - also in National League

So what do we learn from this and perhaps some knowledge of recent history?

1. CCL has three dominant local clubs (Arlington, Braddock Road, Loudoun). I don't think anyone's surprised by that.

2. CCL has two dominant clubs from the rest of the state (Beach FC, SOCA). Virginia Legacy also is close.

3. The rest of CCL is comparable to VPL and Herndon. (I'd argue Alexandria is at that level as well.) FC Virginia, Annandale, NVSC and VSA are a little down this fall. PWSI and Virginia Rush are perennials. Others are hit and miss, like the rest of CCL. The Richmond clubs send their best players to the DA.

So does that justify the travel for what we're told are friendlies? Your mileage may vary.

And the league status matters a lot less than the club. Arlington, Braddock Road and Loudoun have the best teams in the region.

(Excluding the NCSL and DA, which will be in transition forever.)

Thank you for this -- very interesting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question on CCL anti-recruitment / transfer rules.

From a quick look at the rules, it appears that a player can move from one CCL Club to another CCL Club during the seasonal year if they meet a geographic mileage requirement and the directors of both clubs approve. But has anyone had any practical experience with how this rule is implemented?

For example, imagine a hypothetical where both a coach at a CCL Club and the player on her team would agree to and support a mid-season transfer to another CCL Club that is a few miles away and would take the player. Imagine a scenario where there was no recruitment going on by the other CCL Club, and that there was no acrimony between player and coach, but that the move made sense to everyone involved for family reasons. Would the directors of both clubs be able to to agree to this and waive the CCL restriction even though the geographic requirement is obviously not met? Has this sort of thing ever been done before (behind the scenes somehow?), or does everyone just have to wait the full seasonal year until the next open tryout for the player to have the freedom to move to the new CCL Club? Again, imagine an environment where everything is friendly and no one would have a desire to block this. Curious as to others thoughts?

Saw one like this blocked last year between two CCL clubs. They don't want to set the precedent if it's not within the rules. Also, if you have not physically moved, that's a problem too. If you joined one club for the year that was further away than your local club and made that commute commitment, you don't get to invoke the local factor later on. If you have moved, that's a different story.

And all any of this means is that the kid simply cannot be rostered on a CCL team for League play. Move to the club, "guest play" with the team during tournaments and play league games on the B or C team for the Spring season. Not that big of a deal.

Helpful idea. What is your thought as to whether the kid could be rostered on a CCL2 team at the receiving CCL Club? Or, would the kid be limited to rostering for Spring on teams that play in, e.g., WAGS, ODSL, etc.?

The rule is that you can't move to another CCL club, period. Meaning, you can't play on a NCSL, ODSL, etc team in another CCL club. So you stick with your current CCL club, or move to a non-CCL club until the seasonal year is over in June 2017.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question on CCL anti-recruitment / transfer rules.

From a quick look at the rules, it appears that a player can move from one CCL Club to another CCL Club during the seasonal year if they meet a geographic mileage requirement and the directors of both clubs approve. But has anyone had any practical experience with how this rule is implemented?

For example, imagine a hypothetical where both a coach at a CCL Club and the player on her team would agree to and support a mid-season transfer to another CCL Club that is a few miles away and would take the player. Imagine a scenario where there was no recruitment going on by the other CCL Club, and that there was no acrimony between player and coach, but that the move made sense to everyone involved for family reasons. Would the directors of both clubs be able to to agree to this and waive the CCL restriction even though the geographic requirement is obviously not met? Has this sort of thing ever been done before (behind the scenes somehow?), or does everyone just have to wait the full seasonal year until the next open tryout for the player to have the freedom to move to the new CCL Club? Again, imagine an environment where everything is friendly and no one would have a desire to block this. Curious as to others thoughts?

Saw one like this blocked last year between two CCL clubs. They don't want to set the precedent if it's not within the rules. Also, if you have not physically moved, that's a problem too. If you joined one club for the year that was further away than your local club and made that commute commitment, you don't get to invoke the local factor later on. If you have moved, that's a different story.

Thanks. Did the league (CCL) block it, or did the transferring CCL club somehow block it? I am assuming the former, and if so, I didn't realize CCL has to sign off on the transfer before the receiving CCL Club can roster the player.

That and the registrar will question it when they review the transfer, and not approve it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question on CCL anti-recruitment / transfer rules.

From a quick look at the rules, it appears that a player can move from one CCL Club to another CCL Club during the seasonal year if they meet a geographic mileage requirement and the directors of both clubs approve. But has anyone had any practical experience with how this rule is implemented?

For example, imagine a hypothetical where both a coach at a CCL Club and the player on her team would agree to and support a mid-season transfer to another CCL Club that is a few miles away and would take the player. Imagine a scenario where there was no recruitment going on by the other CCL Club, and that there was no acrimony between player and coach, but that the move made sense to everyone involved for family reasons. Would the directors of both clubs be able to to agree to this and waive the CCL restriction even though the geographic requirement is obviously not met? Has this sort of thing ever been done before (behind the scenes somehow?), or does everyone just have to wait the full seasonal year until the next open tryout for the player to have the freedom to move to the new CCL Club? Again, imagine an environment where everything is friendly and no one would have a desire to block this. Curious as to others thoughts?

Saw one like this blocked last year between two CCL clubs. They don't want to set the precedent if it's not within the rules. Also, if you have not physically moved, that's a problem too. If you joined one club for the year that was further away than your local club and made that commute commitment, you don't get to invoke the local factor later on. If you have moved, that's a different story.

Thanks. Did the league (CCL) block it, or did the transferring CCL club somehow block it? I am assuming the former, and if so, I didn't realize CCL has to sign off on the transfer before the receiving CCL Club can roster the player.

That and the registrar will question it when they review the transfer, and not approve it.

There are specific circumstances for a transfer. If you are not in that, it's against the rules. It's not being 'blocked' - it's not allowed at all. It's what you sign up for on a CCL team - it's a one year commitment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To sum up the last two pages:

Q: "What's the benefit of playing CCL, with the extra costs and travel for games that some (but not all) clubs treat as friendlies?"

A: "SHUT up! Just SHUT up! Play rec soccer! Besides, our league wins State Cups!"

I think the best thing you could say about other leagues at this point, including less-elite NCSL and the arguably more-elite EDP, is that they and their fanboys/fangirls are willing to talk about best practices. CCL just seems to adopt a "Shut up -- we know what's best" stance.

None of which should preclude anyone from taking an offer to play for excellent teams in Loudoun, Braddock Road, etc. If that's your best option, and you don't mind the money and travel, great. But if you're weighing options between that and, say, a really good Alexandria, Bethesda, VSA or PWSI team, you should feel free to ask questions. Some of those clubs may have outrageous costs and travel requirements as well. Or not.

I'm the "go find another league" guy not the "CCL wins state champions" guy. I said STFU because, seriously, and this applies to "CCL wins State Champions" guy as well. If you are unhappy with the league then STFU and leave. And to the "CCL wins State Championships" guy, if someone is unhappy with the league, STFU and let them leave.

OK, you get some credit at least for not being the "CCL wins state championships" guy.

The problem with your "go find another league" if you're not happy mantra is that finding another league doesn't help with the problem caused by CCL's spread into NOVA and farther north. As the poster above said, because of CCL, we now have "multiple leagues that separate local area clubs instead of one where all have the opportunity to compete against each other". Stating that the issue only applies to 18 teams per gender doesn't help, because a club's top teams are a big driver of a club's culture. The better they are, the more they inspire the players both on the top teams and on the teams below them. It's helpful to everyone if a club's top team has the opportunity to play both highly competitive local games and good tournament and showcase ones, but as it stands now, only the less good teams in CCL get the full benefit of the competition CCL offers.

CCL's stated mission of fostering development over winning at the younger ages is great, though many CCL teams don't follow those principles, and many clubs and teams outside of CCL do. I just would prefer to see those models gain widespread acceptance in some way that doesn't restrict local competition.

+1

Also, I can't imagine any other product with the sales pitch "STFU and buy something else!"

Because that isn't a sales pitch. I do not have a kid in CCL but nor do I view it as some encroaching scourge. Seriously, play in another league. This obsession with CCL is ludicrous. You will not change the league. Enough "Club Centric" leagues have popped up to demonstrate that there is a market for that philosophy. The relegation/promotion model is not right for everyone and this insistence that a one size fits all league is necessary is not true at all.

NCSL still has most of the area clubs represented and travel distances are not particularly better for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's a breakdown of current State Cup quarterfinalists (group stage):

CCL LOCAL
9 Arlington: U15B, U16B, U17B, U18B*, U19/20B, U16G, U17G, U18G, U19/20G
8 Braddock Road: U15B, U16B*, U17B*, U18B*, U19/20B, U16G*, U17G, U19/20G
8 Loudoun U15B, U17B, U18B*, U19/20B*, U15G, U16G, U18G, U19/20G
3 SYA - U15B, U18B, U15G
2 Lee Mt. Vernon - U15B, U15G
2 McLean - U16B, U18G (note: also plays in ECNL)
1 DC Stoddert - U18B
0 Fredericksburg

CCL DISTANT
7 Beach FC - U16B, U17B, U19/20B, U15G, U16G, U17G, U19/20G
6 SOCA-Charlottesville - U17B, U19/20B, U15G, U17G, U18G, U19/20G
4 Virginia Legacy - U16B, U19/20B, U16G, U17G
1 FC Richmond - U17B
0 Roanoke Star

VPL LOCAL
3 PWSI - U15G, U16G, U19/20G
2 Annandale - U17B, U19/20G*
2 Vienna - U18G, U19/20G
1 FC Virginia - U16G
1 NVSC - U17G
1 VSA - U16B
0 Chantilly

VPL DISTANT (Richmond clubs also funnel players to DA)
4 Virginia Rush - U17B, U18B, U15G, U16G
1 Richmond Strikers - U16B
0 Richmond Kickers

NCSL (playing this fall, maybe also playing EDP?)
1 Alexandria - U15B
1 Barca - U15B
1 Great Falls - U16G

NCSL CLUBS (but teams not playing NCSL this fall -- maybe EDP?)
1 Fauquier County - U18B
1 South County - U17G
1 SYC - U19/20B

EDP-only
1 Bethesda South - U15B

VARIOUS
4 Herndon - U19/20B (NCSL), U15G (EDP), U18G Storm (NCSL), U18G United (EDP?)

ELSEWHERE
1 Western Branch Elite - U18B
1 New River United Elite - U18G

* - also in National League

So what do we learn from this and perhaps some knowledge of recent history?

1. CCL has three dominant local clubs (Arlington, Braddock Road, Loudoun). I don't think anyone's surprised by that.

2. CCL has two dominant clubs from the rest of the state (Beach FC, SOCA). Virginia Legacy also is close.

3. The rest of CCL is comparable to VPL and Herndon. (I'd argue Alexandria is at that level as well.) FC Virginia, Annandale, NVSC and VSA are a little down this fall. PWSI and Virginia Rush are perennials. Others are hit and miss, like the rest of CCL. The Richmond clubs send their best players to the DA.

So does that justify the travel for what we're told are friendlies? Your mileage may vary.

And the league status matters a lot less than the club. Arlington, Braddock Road and Loudoun have the best teams in the region.

(Excluding the NCSL and DA, which will be in transition forever.)

Except for McLean and FCV who have ECNL so their best teams are not represented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a breakdown of current State Cup quarterfinalists (group stage):

CCL LOCAL
9 Arlington: U15B, U16B, U17B, U18B*, U19/20B, U16G, U17G, U18G, U19/20G
8 Braddock Road: U15B, U16B*, U17B*, U18B*, U19/20B, U16G*, U17G, U19/20G
8 Loudoun U15B, U17B, U18B*, U19/20B*, U15G, U16G, U18G, U19/20G
3 SYA - U15B, U18B, U15G
2 Lee Mt. Vernon - U15B, U15G
2 McLean - U16B, U18G (note: also plays in ECNL)
1 DC Stoddert - U18B
0 Fredericksburg

CCL DISTANT
7 Beach FC - U16B, U17B, U19/20B, U15G, U16G, U17G, U19/20G
6 SOCA-Charlottesville - U17B, U19/20B, U15G, U17G, U18G, U19/20G
4 Virginia Legacy - U16B, U19/20B, U16G, U17G
1 FC Richmond - U17B
0 Roanoke Star

VPL LOCAL
3 PWSI - U15G, U16G, U19/20G
2 Annandale - U17B, U19/20G*
2 Vienna - U18G, U19/20G
1 FC Virginia - U16G
1 NVSC - U17G
1 VSA - U16B
0 Chantilly

VPL DISTANT (Richmond clubs also funnel players to DA)
4 Virginia Rush - U17B, U18B, U15G, U16G
1 Richmond Strikers - U16B
0 Richmond Kickers

NCSL (playing this fall, maybe also playing EDP?)
1 Alexandria - U15B
1 Barca - U15B
1 Great Falls - U16G

NCSL CLUBS (but teams not playing NCSL this fall -- maybe EDP?)
1 Fauquier County - U18B
1 South County - U17G
1 SYC - U19/20B

EDP-only
1 Bethesda South - U15B

VARIOUS
4 Herndon - U19/20B (NCSL), U15G (EDP), U18G Storm (NCSL), U18G United (EDP?)

ELSEWHERE
1 Western Branch Elite - U18B
1 New River United Elite - U18G

* - also in National League

So what do we learn from this and perhaps some knowledge of recent history?

1. CCL has three dominant local clubs (Arlington, Braddock Road, Loudoun). I don't think anyone's surprised by that.

2. CCL has two dominant clubs from the rest of the state (Beach FC, SOCA). Virginia Legacy also is close.

3. The rest of CCL is comparable to VPL and Herndon. (I'd argue Alexandria is at that level as well.) FC Virginia, Annandale, NVSC and VSA are a little down this fall. PWSI and Virginia Rush are perennials. Others are hit and miss, like the rest of CCL. The Richmond clubs send their best players to the DA.

So does that justify the travel for what we're told are friendlies? Your mileage may vary.

And the league status matters a lot less than the club. Arlington, Braddock Road and Loudoun have the best teams in the region.

(Excluding the NCSL and DA, which will be in transition forever.)

Except for McLean and FCV who have ECNL so their best teams are not represented.

Best GIRLS teams are not represented

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a breakdown of current State Cup quarterfinalists (group stage):

CCL LOCAL
9 Arlington: U15B, U16B, U17B, U18B*, U19/20B, U16G, U17G, U18G, U19/20G
8 Braddock Road: U15B, U16B*, U17B*, U18B*, U19/20B, U16G*, U17G, U19/20G
8 Loudoun U15B, U17B, U18B*, U19/20B*, U15G, U16G, U18G, U19/20G
3 SYA - U15B, U18B, U15G
2 Lee Mt. Vernon - U15B, U15G
2 McLean - U16B, U18G (note: also plays in ECNL)
1 DC Stoddert - U18B
0 Fredericksburg

CCL DISTANT
7 Beach FC - U16B, U17B, U19/20B, U15G, U16G, U17G, U19/20G
6 SOCA-Charlottesville - U17B, U19/20B, U15G, U17G, U18G, U19/20G
4 Virginia Legacy - U16B, U19/20B, U16G, U17G
1 FC Richmond - U17B
0 Roanoke Star

VPL LOCAL
3 PWSI - U15G, U16G, U19/20G
2 Annandale - U17B, U19/20G*
2 Vienna - U18G, U19/20G
1 FC Virginia - U16G
1 NVSC - U17G
1 VSA - U16B
0 Chantilly

VPL DISTANT (Richmond clubs also funnel players to DA)
4 Virginia Rush - U17B, U18B, U15G, U16G
1 Richmond Strikers - U16B
0 Richmond Kickers

NCSL (playing this fall, maybe also playing EDP?)
1 Alexandria - U15B
1 Barca - U15B
1 Great Falls - U16G

NCSL CLUBS (but teams not playing NCSL this fall -- maybe EDP?)
1 Fauquier County - U18B
1 South County - U17G
1 SYC - U19/20B

EDP-only
1 Bethesda South - U15B

VARIOUS
4 Herndon - U19/20B (NCSL), U15G (EDP), U18G Storm (NCSL), U18G United (EDP?)

ELSEWHERE
1 Western Branch Elite - U18B
1 New River United Elite - U18G

* - also in National League

So what do we learn from this and perhaps some knowledge of recent history?

1. CCL has three dominant local clubs (Arlington, Braddock Road, Loudoun). I don't think anyone's surprised by that.

2. CCL has two dominant clubs from the rest of the state (Beach FC, SOCA). Virginia Legacy also is close.

3. The rest of CCL is comparable to VPL and Herndon. (I'd argue Alexandria is at that level as well.) FC Virginia, Annandale, NVSC and VSA are a little down this fall. PWSI and Virginia Rush are perennials. Others are hit and miss, like the rest of CCL. The Richmond clubs send their best players to the DA.

So does that justify the travel for what we're told are friendlies? Your mileage may vary.

And the league status matters a lot less than the club. Arlington, Braddock Road and Loudoun have the best teams in the region.

(Excluding the NCSL and DA, which will be in transition forever.)

Except for McLean and FCV who have ECNL so their best teams are not represented.

Best GIRLS teams are not represented

Thank you Captain Obvious

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's a breakdown of current State Cup quarterfinalists (group stage):

CCL LOCAL
9 Arlington: U15B, U16B, U17B, U18B*, U19/20B, U16G, U17G, U18G, U19/20G
8 Braddock Road: U15B, U16B*, U17B*, U18B*, U19/20B, U16G*, U17G, U19/20G
8 Loudoun U15B, U17B, U18B*, U19/20B*, U15G, U16G, U18G, U19/20G
3 SYA - U15B, U18B, U15G
2 Lee Mt. Vernon - U15B, U15G
2 McLean - U16B, U18G (note: also plays in ECNL)
1 DC Stoddert - U18B
0 Fredericksburg

CCL DISTANT
7 Beach FC - U16B, U17B, U19/20B, U15G, U16G, U17G, U19/20G
6 SOCA-Charlottesville - U17B, U19/20B, U15G, U17G, U18G, U19/20G
4 Virginia Legacy - U16B, U19/20B, U16G, U17G
1 FC Richmond - U17B
0 Roanoke Star

VPL LOCAL
3 PWSI - U15G, U16G, U19/20G
2 Annandale - U17B, U19/20G*
2 Vienna - U18G, U19/20G
1 FC Virginia - U16G
1 NVSC - U17G
1 VSA - U16B
0 Chantilly

VPL DISTANT (Richmond clubs also funnel players to DA)
4 Virginia Rush - U17B, U18B, U15G, U16G
1 Richmond Strikers - U16B
0 Richmond Kickers

NCSL (playing this fall, maybe also playing EDP?)
1 Alexandria - U15B
1 Barca - U15B
1 Great Falls - U16G

NCSL CLUBS (but teams not playing NCSL this fall -- maybe EDP?)
1 Fauquier County - U18B
1 South County - U17G
1 SYC - U19/20B

EDP-only
1 Bethesda South - U15B

VARIOUS
4 Herndon - U19/20B (NCSL), U15G (EDP), U18G Storm (NCSL), U18G United (EDP?)

ELSEWHERE
1 Western Branch Elite - U18B
1 New River United Elite - U18G

* - also in National League

So what do we learn from this and perhaps some knowledge of recent history?

1. CCL has three dominant local clubs (Arlington, Braddock Road, Loudoun). I don't think anyone's surprised by that.

2. CCL has two dominant clubs from the rest of the state (Beach FC, SOCA). Virginia Legacy also is close.

3. The rest of CCL is comparable to VPL and Herndon. (I'd argue Alexandria is at that level as well.) FC Virginia, Annandale, NVSC and VSA are a little down this fall. PWSI and Virginia Rush are perennials. Others are hit and miss, like the rest of CCL. The Richmond clubs send their best players to the DA.

So does that justify the travel for what we're told are friendlies? Your mileage may vary.

And the league status matters a lot less than the club. Arlington, Braddock Road and Loudoun have the best teams in the region.

(Excluding the NCSL and DA, which will be in transition forever.)

Pretty good info you put together here. To be fair, Fredericksburg didn't send any teams to play in state cup this year, so yes they have 0 in quarterfinals but started with 0.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a breakdown of current State Cup quarterfinalists (group stage):

CCL LOCAL
9 Arlington: U15B, U16B, U17B, U18B*, U19/20B, U16G, U17G, U18G, U19/20G
8 Braddock Road: U15B, U16B*, U17B*, U18B*, U19/20B, U16G*, U17G, U19/20G
8 Loudoun U15B, U17B, U18B*, U19/20B*, U15G, U16G, U18G, U19/20G
3 SYA - U15B, U18B, U15G
2 Lee Mt. Vernon - U15B, U15G
2 McLean - U16B, U18G (note: also plays in ECNL)
1 DC Stoddert - U18B
0 Fredericksburg

CCL DISTANT
7 Beach FC - U16B, U17B, U19/20B, U15G, U16G, U17G, U19/20G
6 SOCA-Charlottesville - U17B, U19/20B, U15G, U17G, U18G, U19/20G
4 Virginia Legacy - U16B, U19/20B, U16G, U17G
1 FC Richmond - U17B
0 Roanoke Star

VPL LOCAL
3 PWSI - U15G, U16G, U19/20G
2 Annandale - U17B, U19/20G*
2 Vienna - U18G, U19/20G
1 FC Virginia - U16G
1 NVSC - U17G
1 VSA - U16B
0 Chantilly

VPL DISTANT (Richmond clubs also funnel players to DA)
4 Virginia Rush - U17B, U18B, U15G, U16G
1 Richmond Strikers - U16B
0 Richmond Kickers

NCSL (playing this fall, maybe also playing EDP?)
1 Alexandria - U15B
1 Barca - U15B
1 Great Falls - U16G

NCSL CLUBS (but teams not playing NCSL this fall -- maybe EDP?)
1 Fauquier County - U18B
1 South County - U17G
1 SYC - U19/20B

EDP-only
1 Bethesda South - U15B

VARIOUS
4 Herndon - U19/20B (NCSL), U15G (EDP), U18G Storm (NCSL), U18G United (EDP?)

ELSEWHERE
1 Western Branch Elite - U18B
1 New River United Elite - U18G

* - also in National League

So what do we learn from this and perhaps some knowledge of recent history?

1. CCL has three dominant local clubs (Arlington, Braddock Road, Loudoun). I don't think anyone's surprised by that.

2. CCL has two dominant clubs from the rest of the state (Beach FC, SOCA). Virginia Legacy also is close.

3. The rest of CCL is comparable to VPL and Herndon. (I'd argue Alexandria is at that level as well.) FC Virginia, Annandale, NVSC and VSA are a little down this fall. PWSI and Virginia Rush are perennials. Others are hit and miss, like the rest of CCL. The Richmond clubs send their best players to the DA.

So does that justify the travel for what we're told are friendlies? Your mileage may vary.

And the league status matters a lot less than the club. Arlington, Braddock Road and Loudoun have the best teams in the region.

(Excluding the NCSL and DA, which will be in transition forever.)

Pretty good info you put together here. To be fair, Fredericksburg didn't send any teams to play in state cup this year, so yes they have 0 in quarterfinals but started with 0.

+1 .... I love that you put this together!
Also, PWSI has a 17G team in the quarterfinals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a breakdown of current State Cup quarterfinalists (group stage):

CCL LOCAL
9 Arlington: U15B, U16B, U17B, U18B*, U19/20B, U16G, U17G, U18G, U19/20G
8 Braddock Road: U15B, U16B*, U17B*, U18B*, U19/20B, U16G*, U17G, U19/20G
8 Loudoun U15B, U17B, U18B*, U19/20B*, U15G, U16G, U18G, U19/20G
3 SYA - U15B, U18B, U15G
2 Lee Mt. Vernon - U15B, U15G
2 McLean - U16B, U18G (note: also plays in ECNL)
1 DC Stoddert - U18B
0 Fredericksburg

CCL DISTANT
7 Beach FC - U16B, U17B, U19/20B, U15G, U16G, U17G, U19/20G
6 SOCA-Charlottesville - U17B, U19/20B, U15G, U17G, U18G, U19/20G
4 Virginia Legacy - U16B, U19/20B, U16G, U17G
1 FC Richmond - U17B
0 Roanoke Star

VPL LOCAL
3 PWSI - U15G, U16G, U19/20G
2 Annandale - U17B, U19/20G*
2 Vienna - U18G, U19/20G
1 FC Virginia - U16G
1 NVSC - U17G
1 VSA - U16B
0 Chantilly

VPL DISTANT (Richmond clubs also funnel players to DA)
4 Virginia Rush - U17B, U18B, U15G, U16G
1 Richmond Strikers - U16B
0 Richmond Kickers

NCSL (playing this fall, maybe also playing EDP?)
1 Alexandria - U15B
1 Barca - U15B
1 Great Falls - U16G

NCSL CLUBS (but teams not playing NCSL this fall -- maybe EDP?)
1 Fauquier County - U18B
1 South County - U17G
1 SYC - U19/20B

EDP-only
1 Bethesda South - U15B

VARIOUS
4 Herndon - U19/20B (NCSL), U15G (EDP), U18G Storm (NCSL), U18G United (EDP?)

ELSEWHERE
1 Western Branch Elite - U18B
1 New River United Elite - U18G

* - also in National League

So what do we learn from this and perhaps some knowledge of recent history?

1. CCL has three dominant local clubs (Arlington, Braddock Road, Loudoun). I don't think anyone's surprised by that.

2. CCL has two dominant clubs from the rest of the state (Beach FC, SOCA). Virginia Legacy also is close.

3. The rest of CCL is comparable to VPL and Herndon. (I'd argue Alexandria is at that level as well.) FC Virginia, Annandale, NVSC and VSA are a little down this fall. PWSI and Virginia Rush are perennials. Others are hit and miss, like the rest of CCL. The Richmond clubs send their best players to the DA.

So does that justify the travel for what we're told are friendlies? Your mileage may vary.

And the league status matters a lot less than the club. Arlington, Braddock Road and Loudoun have the best teams in the region.

(Excluding the NCSL and DA, which will be in transition forever.)

Pretty good info you put together here. To be fair, Fredericksburg didn't send any teams to play in state cup this year, so yes they have 0 in quarterfinals but started with 0.

+1 .... I love that you put this together!
Also, PWSI has a 17G team in the quarterfinals.

Nah. I would not agree with the best teams in the region if you consider booting the ball down the field and having one kid chase it down a good style of play

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a breakdown of current State Cup quarterfinalists (group stage):

CCL LOCAL
9 Arlington: U15B, U16B, U17B, U18B*, U19/20B, U16G, U17G, U18G, U19/20G
8 Braddock Road: U15B, U16B*, U17B*, U18B*, U19/20B, U16G*, U17G, U19/20G
8 Loudoun U15B, U17B, U18B*, U19/20B*, U15G, U16G, U18G, U19/20G
3 SYA - U15B, U18B, U15G
2 Lee Mt. Vernon - U15B, U15G
2 McLean - U16B, U18G (note: also plays in ECNL)
1 DC Stoddert - U18B
0 Fredericksburg

CCL DISTANT
7 Beach FC - U16B, U17B, U19/20B, U15G, U16G, U17G, U19/20G
6 SOCA-Charlottesville - U17B, U19/20B, U15G, U17G, U18G, U19/20G
4 Virginia Legacy - U16B, U19/20B, U16G, U17G
1 FC Richmond - U17B
0 Roanoke Star

VPL LOCAL
3 PWSI - U15G, U16G, U19/20G
2 Annandale - U17B, U19/20G*
2 Vienna - U18G, U19/20G
1 FC Virginia - U16G
1 NVSC - U17G
1 VSA - U16B
0 Chantilly

VPL DISTANT (Richmond clubs also funnel players to DA)
4 Virginia Rush - U17B, U18B, U15G, U16G
1 Richmond Strikers - U16B
0 Richmond Kickers

NCSL (playing this fall, maybe also playing EDP?)
1 Alexandria - U15B
1 Barca - U15B
1 Great Falls - U16G

NCSL CLUBS (but teams not playing NCSL this fall -- maybe EDP?)
1 Fauquier County - U18B
1 South County - U17G
1 SYC - U19/20B

EDP-only
1 Bethesda South - U15B

VARIOUS
4 Herndon - U19/20B (NCSL), U15G (EDP), U18G Storm (NCSL), U18G United (EDP?)

ELSEWHERE
1 Western Branch Elite - U18B
1 New River United Elite - U18G

* - also in National League

So what do we learn from this and perhaps some knowledge of recent history?

1. CCL has three dominant local clubs (Arlington, Braddock Road, Loudoun). I don't think anyone's surprised by that.

2. CCL has two dominant clubs from the rest of the state (Beach FC, SOCA). Virginia Legacy also is close.

3. The rest of CCL is comparable to VPL and Herndon. (I'd argue Alexandria is at that level as well.) FC Virginia, Annandale, NVSC and VSA are a little down this fall. PWSI and Virginia Rush are perennials. Others are hit and miss, like the rest of CCL. The Richmond clubs send their best players to the DA.

So does that justify the travel for what we're told are friendlies? Your mileage may vary.

And the league status matters a lot less than the club. Arlington, Braddock Road and Loudoun have the best teams in the region.

(Excluding the NCSL and DA, which will be in transition forever.)

Pretty good info you put together here. To be fair, Fredericksburg didn't send any teams to play in state cup this year, so yes they have 0 in quarterfinals but started with 0.

+1 .... I love that you put this together!
Also, PWSI has a 17G team in the quarterfinals.

Nah. I would not agree with the best teams in the region if you consider booting the ball down the field and having one kid chase it down a good style of play

Size as well. Bigger clubs put up more teams. Those are by far the 3 biggest.

[Anonymous]

^^^ if MD teams could play VA state cup--none of them would be winners

[Anonymous]

Yet the CCL teams lose in most tournaments...against these less elite clubs