Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

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Anonymous wrote:Can we just get back to focusing on the boudnary study please.

Still find it stupid and wasteful to move kids from walkers to 45 minute bus riders.

Lol at the notion that the kids of $500k HHI parents are walking 1.5 miles to school. They'll get to Kennedy faster on the bus, they'll be thrilled.

That’s not what is referenced. Try BCC shipped to Blair.

Lol at 45 minutes.
I know you have never been that way but Blair is a 14 minute drive from Chevy Chase. Obviously, there will be stops they have to make to pick up kids, but if there are 30 minutes of stops then a lot of bus rides must currently be 45 minutes.

Blair is a 14 minute drive from Chevy Chase if you take the Beltway.

We live about 3/4 mile from BCC and get bus service, you know what time the bus comes? 6:50am. Using MCPS’ confounding bus routes and times, the pickup time in our neighborhood for Blair would likely be 6am. That’s not going to do anyone any good.

Thank you for sharing this example. My kids are younger so I didn't understand just how early bus pickup times are over the years. The idea of kids waiting outside in the winter, in the dark and cold at 6:00 a.m., not great....

I recommend that you look at bus routes for Clarksburg HS. There are some neighborhoods 5 miles from the school that are zoned for it. Their pickup time is 7:08 AM.

I just looked up the BCC bus routes. The longest bus rides are 30 min to go 1.6 miles. The shortest for time is 18 min for 2.5 miles.

6.5 miles is going to take appreciably more time.

All else being equal the longer mileage takes more time, yes. But look at bus routes across the county. Who is getting picked up at 6am? At Northwest HS they have a neighborhood over 6 miles away from the school. They get picked up at 7:07am.

I don't know the mechanics of bus routes and I suspect neither do you, so stop pretending you know for sure what exactly it will mean for your kid.

I looked at the relevant bus routes for the relevant case. I can make an informed guess based on the objective numbers.

Yeah you just decided to add 50 minutes based on your "expertise" lol

But I didn’t. I didn’t say anything about 50 minutes. I said that it would take longer to go further.

Oh wait you’re the troll.

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Unfortunately, we will not know the specific bus routes and times that will go along with any new boundaries until well after the boundary study ends.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, we will not know the specific bus routes and times that will go along with any new boundaries until well after the boundary study ends.

MCPS should really care given the added costs. Not sure they will.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we just get back to focusing on the boudnary study please.

Still find it stupid and wasteful to move kids from walkers to 45 minute bus riders.

Lol at the notion that the kids of $500k HHI parents are walking 1.5 miles to school. They'll get to Kennedy faster on the bus, they'll be thrilled.

That’s not what is referenced. Try BCC shipped to Blair.

Lol at 45 minutes.
I know you have never been that way but Blair is a 14 minute drive from Chevy Chase. Obviously, there will be stops they have to make to pick up kids, but if there are 30 minutes of stops then a lot of bus rides must currently be 45 minutes.

Blair is a 14 minute drive from Chevy Chase if you take the Beltway.

We live about 3/4 mile from BCC and get bus service, you know what time the bus comes? 6:50am. Using MCPS’ confounding bus routes and times, the pickup time in our neighborhood for Blair would likely be 6am. That’s not going to do anyone any good.

Thank you for sharing this example. My kids are younger so I didn't understand just how early bus pickup times are over the years. The idea of kids waiting outside in the winter, in the dark and cold at 6:00 a.m., not great....

I recommend that you look at bus routes for Clarksburg HS. There are some neighborhoods 5 miles from the school that are zoned for it. Their pickup time is 7:08 AM.

I just looked up the BCC bus routes. The longest bus rides are 30 min to go 1.6 miles. The shortest for time is 18 min for 2.5 miles.

6.5 miles is going to take appreciably more time.

All else being equal the longer mileage takes more time, yes. But look at bus routes across the county. Who is getting picked up at 6am? At Northwest HS they have a neighborhood over 6 miles away from the school. They get picked up at 7:07am.

I don't know the mechanics of bus routes and I suspect neither do you, so stop pretending you know for sure what exactly it will mean for your kid.

I looked at the relevant bus routes for the relevant case. I can make an informed guess based on the objective numbers.

Yeah you just decided to add 50 minutes based on your "expertise" lol

But I didn’t. I didn’t say anything about 50 minutes. I said that it would take longer to go further.

Oh wait you’re the troll.

I was referencing the person who said this (probably you but you'll deny it)

Blair is a 14 minute drive from Chevy Chase if you take the Beltway.

We live about 3/4 mile from BCC and get bus service, you know what time the bus comes? 6:50am. Using MCPS’ confounding bus routes and times, the pickup time in our neighborhood for Blair would likely be 6am. That’s not going to do anyone any good.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, we will not know the specific bus routes and times that will go along with any new boundaries until well after the boundary study ends.

We can look at current bus routes and determine the correlation between distance and pickup times. From the ones I have seen the ones furthest from the school do not have the earliest pickup times. This is probably because they are islands so the bus is doing pickups within a small geographic area.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, we will not know the specific bus routes and times that will go along with any new boundaries until well after the boundary study ends.

We can look at current bus routes and determine the correlation between distance and pickup times. From the ones I have seen the ones furthest from the school do not have the earliest pickup times. This is probably because they are islands so the bus is doing pickups within a small geographic area.

Definitely small island are taking direct routes more frequently, from what I’ve seen for my own catchment area.

This would seem to not be applicable when it is more than a single bus load of kids, or the “island” is large.

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I find it very ironic that it seems to be the progressives who are pushing for more bussing, in traffic, for long distances, given the impact on climate change with the fossil fuels. Doesn’t make sense - that’s not the way the young progressives in my life roll.

Buses, especially those sitting in traffic like they would on the way to/from school down county, are a big contributors to greenhouse gasses. I would think the environmental activists are going to be very upset over this.

Honestly, I don’t know who is FOR option 3 or why Flo even included it.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, we will not know the specific bus routes and times that will go along with any new boundaries until well after the boundary study ends.

We can look at current bus routes and determine the correlation between distance and pickup times. From the ones I have seen the ones furthest from the school do not have the earliest pickup times. This is probably because they are islands so the bus is doing pickups within a small geographic area.

Definitely small island are taking direct routes more frequently, from what I’ve seen for my own catchment area.

This would seem to not be applicable when it is more than a single bus load of kids, or the “island” is large.

Why do you say that? More bus loads of kids mean the stops are split between multiple buses.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it very ironic that it seems to be the progressives who are pushing for more bussing, in traffic, for long distances, given the impact on climate change with the fossil fuels. Doesn’t make sense - that’s not the way the young progressives in my life roll.

Buses, especially those sitting in traffic like they would on the way to/from school down county, are a big contributors to greenhouse gasses. I would think the environmental activists are going to be very upset over this.

Honestly, I don’t know who is FOR option 3 or why Flo even included it.

This post is a siren song to the troll. Godspeed.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it very ironic that it seems to be the progressives who are pushing for more bussing, in traffic, for long distances, given the impact on climate change with the fossil fuels. Doesn’t make sense - that’s not the way the young progressives in my life roll.

Buses, especially those sitting in traffic like they would on the way to/from school down county, are a big contributors to greenhouse gasses. I would think the environmental activists are going to be very upset over this.

Honestly, I don’t know who is FOR option 3 or why Flo even included it.

Sorry but environmental activists do not care about a couple of buses driving 6 miles each way.

They care much more about your 8 annual long haul flights to Europe and other expensive locales for vaycay

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Anonymous wrote:I find it very ironic that it seems to be the progressives who are pushing for more bussing, in traffic, for long distances, given the impact on climate change with the fossil fuels. Doesn’t make sense - that’s not the way the young progressives in my life roll.

Buses, especially those sitting in traffic like they would on the way to/from school down county, are a big contributors to greenhouse gasses. I would think the environmental activists are going to be very upset over this.

Honestly, I don’t know who is FOR option 3 or why Flo even included it.

This post is a siren song to the troll. Godspeed.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, we will not know the specific bus routes and times that will go along with any new boundaries until well after the boundary study ends.

We can look at current bus routes and determine the correlation between distance and pickup times. From the ones I have seen the ones furthest from the school do not have the earliest pickup times. This is probably because they are islands so the bus is doing pickups within a small geographic area.

Definitely small island are taking direct routes more frequently, from what I’ve seen for my own catchment area.

This would seem to not be applicable when it is more than a single bus load of kids, or the “island” is large.

Why do you say that? More bus loads of kids mean the stops are split between multiple buses.

More kids=more stops, is what I was basically trying to say.

To make a different point, the islands in my catchment are often apartment complexes where you pick up a lot of kids without a lot of stops. That would appear to be different with more disperse housing.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it very ironic that it seems to be the progressives who are pushing for more bussing, in traffic, for long distances, given the impact on climate change with the fossil fuels. Doesn’t make sense - that’s not the way the young progressives in my life roll.

Buses, especially those sitting in traffic like they would on the way to/from school down county, are a big contributors to greenhouse gasses. I would think the environmental activists are going to be very upset over this.

Honestly, I don’t know who is FOR option 3 or why Flo even included it.

This post is a siren song to the troll. Godspeed.

Oops. It was

Trolling begets trolling

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t schools get a pretty uniform amount per student, with more for higher needs kids?

There are no high schools that receive Title 1 or Focus school funding. It is a few middle schools but mostly elementary schools. If you really cared as much as you claim, you would know this.

And yet the schools with the highest funding per student were W's.

Factually incorrect.
https://moderatelymoco.com/mcps-per-pupil-expenditure-by-each-high-school-2020-2022/

Churchill and Wheaton get about the same amount when tells me schools don't get more funding because of their farms rates

Yeah, funding at all high schools per student are in the same general ballpark, and a lot of the variation is driven by special ed costs, not other factors. And I don't think that MCPS provides much if any extra county funding to poorer high schools? The feds and state give more for poor kids but I think MCPS actually used to take some of the extra state funding for poorer kids and use it for other things, don't know if they still do that.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t schools get a pretty uniform amount per student, with more for higher needs kids?

There are no high schools that receive Title 1 or Focus school funding. It is a few middle schools but mostly elementary schools. If you really cared as much as you claim, you would know this.

And yet the schools with the highest funding per student were W's.

Factually incorrect.
https://moderatelymoco.com/mcps-per-pupil-expenditure-by-each-high-school-2020-2022/

Churchill and Wheaton get about the same amount when tells me schools don't get more funding because of their farms rates

Yeah, funding at all high schools per student are in the same general ballpark, and a lot of the variation is driven by special ed costs, not other factors. And I don't think that MCPS provides much if any extra county funding to poorer high schools? The feds and state give more for poor kids but I think MCPS actually used to take some of the extra state funding for poorer kids and use it for other things, don't know if they still do that.

They do. It goes towards salaries and benefits for all employees.