Gaza war and College Campus Protests

[Anonymous]

This also explains how Egypt knew about the attack ahead of time and called Israel.

Sudan and Gaza are on both respective borders and Sudan is also stuck in a proxy war like Syria between Russian and U.S. backed leaders and their forces. Egypt was against the Russian Wagner group choice Gen. hemetti.

Sudanese Wagner group of paid mercenaries have done atrocities in Sudan similar to 10/7 in the past 2 years though they’ve gone mostly unnoticed. In fact, Gen Hemetti was a general who ironically made a peace deal with Bibi 2 years ago lol when Bibi thought Russia and the Wagner groups procurement of sudanese oil was something he needed to take a look at

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There were clearly sudanese or other African paid Russian Wagner group mercenaries doing acts on 10/7. Some of those stories are scrubbed but for sure the US and Israel are aware.

If Israel were truthful they would point the finger at Putin first as he had more to do with 10/7 than Iran. He was losing territory last year but now the pentagon has run out of enough shells for Ukraines army last month so Putin and Russia were able to regain territory. He made the gamble and he was right that an Israeli war would drain the pentagon for a bit-long enough for him to regain the advantage on the ground

Okay sure. Let’s just made up more stuff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There were clearly sudanese or other African paid Russian Wagner group mercenaries doing acts on 10/7. Some of those stories are scrubbed but for sure the US and Israel are aware.

If Israel were truthful they would point the finger at Putin first as he had more to do with 10/7 than Iran. He was losing territory last year but now the pentagon has run out of enough shells for Ukraines army last month so Putin and Russia were able to regain territory. He made the gamble and he was right that an Israeli war would drain the pentagon for a bit-long enough for him to regain the advantage on the ground

Okay sure. Let’s just made up more stuff.

It’s not made up. This was widely circulated news after 10/7.

The Wagner group even trained Hamas according to some sources

[Anonymous]

How much time will the protestors take off after the democratic convention before heading to college campuses. Do professional protestors get paid leave or will they hit the campuses next week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How much time will the protestors take off after the democratic convention before heading to college campuses. Do professional protestors get paid leave or will they hit the campuses next week.

So long as the war is ongoing, they’ll be protesting the government for a ceasefire. By the way, the hostage families are still protesting inside Israel as well to stop the war and even in Israel, counterprotestors even call them pro Hamas.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that Israel is a problem country in the region. They want to memory hole all the stories about Israel deceptively getting nukes and begging the Congress for war in Iran back in.. 2009, 2010, 2013.

Reframing Hamas or 10/7 as part of their Iran problem is deceptive. They had issues with Iran being secretive about their nuclear ambitions. Imagine that!

It's quite encouraging to read the posts from seemingly MANY informed, realistic posters who are opposed to Israel's brutal subjugation and genocide - the same posters who the Zionist bullies (bully?) try to castigate as "one pro-Hamas terrorist" whenever the spotlight gets a bit too uncomfortable. Jeff must chuckle to himself when he reads those comments, too.

Threats of linguistic pattern analysis, bread crumbing federal agents into career-ending investigations of citizens exercising the same free speech our founders fought for, spittle frothing from their mouths as they rage against the persistence of this thread. But mostly what they do is serve up that word salad, obsessed day after day with what others have to say about Israel's atrocities.

Yikes! This is a lot of MAGA-like projection, but not surprising given the anti-Israel faction is its complimentary opposite: the irrational far-left.

If Israel would pause, take stock of what the future holds, discontinue their pattern of repeatedly provoking all of their neighbors, and work toward a reasonable solution to resolve the conflict of the last 80 or whatever years, I think I'd be quite happy to count myself as an Israel supporter.

But as it stands - yeah, no. Not even close. That doesn't mean I want to see Israel "wiped off the map", but who cares about that hyperbole anyway? That's about as realistic of an idea as the idea that the Cayman Islands will be the lone global superpower in the 21st century. That we allow you to cry about it like it's a realistic possibility speaks a lot to how much idiocy we entertain in this matter.

This shit is so one-sided and no amount of U.S. blocking and tackling (or designating as a terrorist anyone who dares to stand up to Israel after getting punched in the face by Israel repeatedly) will change my mind until I see wave after wave of change in the Middle East. It's long overdue.

It isn’t one-sided. You are incredibly naive.

I'm naive? That's rich. Truly.

It is one-sided. OF COURSE someone like you, who LOVES the prevailing one-sided imbalance, will take the stance that it's not one-sided ... why would you?

In reality, it's probably something like 73 - 80% Israel to blame, 10% topper for U.S. meddling under the guise of "facilitating peace", and 10 - 17% Palestinians to blame. To be honest, I'm surprised you're not trying to argue, as some have done here, that the one-sided imbalance favors the Palestinians at the same level. That's certifiable.

But even to suggest that EVERYONE outside the U.S. has it all wrong, and only the U.S. and Israel have it all right ... don't you get how the naive one is the person looking at you in the mirror?

It’s becoming more clear that the US and Middle East both have one thing in common: war fatigue.

Israel is an albatross for us not an asset. I can see how Israel had utility back when we needed intel on the Soviet Union. They were useful for that but what are they useful for now? They had spies following the hijackers and knew about 9/11 and didn’t tell us. Egypt did. They told us Iraq had WMD’s when they didn’t. They are now telling us Iran is a huge threat and orchestrated 10/7 even though they didn’t.

More proof exists that Hamas acted alone due to the West Bank settlements, Al Aqsa raids, and the ill advised US planned Saudi/Israeli relations deal. US only wanted to one up China because China made a peace deal btwn Iran and Saudi Arabia. It’s very concerning that even Saudi Arabia is abandoning the US for China under the Biden admin. This admin is such a failure. Do people realize if Saudi Arabia joins BRIC and stops the petrodollar it’s game over for us?

Israel and the U.S. stand alone with zero support not even from the UK if things continue with a Kamala administration.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wonder why Hamas did not kill 1/4 of the hostages when Israel assassinated Ismail Haniyeh?

They want the hostages alive to bribe Israel. The point was never to waste money feeding hostages just to kill them. They want them alive so they can tell their story about fearing Israeli bombs and about how “nice” Hamas is.
Stockholm Syndrome for sure has a hold on all the hostages. They’ve come to see Hamas as “protectors from Israel”

Hamas is psychologically more clever than Israel is right now. That’s why we see the failure of Israeli PR right now. They don’t realize the way to get to Hamas is all by playing a similar psychological game with Gazans. “hey, look at how they keep the hostages warm and fed and safe in the tunnels underground while you’re up there as human shields”.

There’s an easy argument to be made to dismantle Hamas for failure but Israel refuses to engage with Palestinians verbally or through dialogue. It’s just carpet bomb after carpet bomb. That helps Hamas

...This is not what hostages have been saying after they have been released/rescued.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wonder why Hamas did not kill 1/4 of the hostages when Israel assassinated Ismail Haniyeh?

They want the hostages alive to bribe Israel. The point was never to waste money feeding hostages just to kill them. They want them alive so they can tell their story about fearing Israeli bombs and about how “nice” Hamas is.
Stockholm Syndrome for sure has a hold on all the hostages. They’ve come to see Hamas as “protectors from Israel”

Hamas is psychologically more clever than Israel is right now. That’s why we see the failure of Israeli PR right now. They don’t realize the way to get to Hamas is all by playing a similar psychological game with Gazans. “hey, look at how they keep the hostages warm and fed and safe in the tunnels underground while you’re up there as human shields”.

There’s an easy argument to be made to dismantle Hamas for failure but Israel refuses to engage with Palestinians verbally or through dialogue. It’s just carpet bomb after carpet bomb. That helps Hamas

...This is not what hostages have been saying after they have been released/rescued.

What ever the Israel state pushes out is propaganda. The state of Israel has threaten the released hostages and families.

[Anonymous]

The armed forces bent over backwards on August 4th to welcome a new wave of recruits. Induction centres in Jerusalem and Tel Hashomer near Tel Aviv were adapted to soothe the religious sensitivities of prospective draftees. No female soldiers were in sight, so as not to offend the young men who had grown up in an environment strictly segregated by sex.
But to little avail. Out of the first group of 900 members of the ultra-Orthodox community summoned to pre-enlistment interviews and medical check-ups, only 48 turned up. The rest obeyed their rabbis: stay away and stick to your studies

https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2024/08/15/israels-ultra-orthodox-still-wont-fight-invoking-scripture

No wonder the Israeli want US ground troops.

[Anonymous]

Ultra-Orthodox protests in Jerusalem deteriorate into violence

The demonstration turned into a riot as police announced that the gathering was illegal, as ultra-Orthodox men attempted to break into the IDF's recruitment office in Jerusalem

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-08-21/ty-article/.premium/ultra-orthodox-protesters-clash-with-police-outside-israeli-armys-base-in-jerusalem/00000191-73fa-db7d-a7d7-7ffabf380000

Draft riots …must be Hamas. Why can Hamas protest in Israel but not in the US?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Ultra-Orthodox protests in Jerusalem deteriorate into violence

The demonstration turned into a riot as police announced that the gathering was illegal, as ultra-Orthodox men attempted to break into the IDF's recruitment office in Jerusalem

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-08-21/ty-article/.premium/ultra-orthodox-protesters-clash-with-police-outside-israeli-armys-base-in-jerusalem/00000191-73fa-db7d-a7d7-7ffabf380000

Draft riots …must be Hamas. Why can Hamas protest in Israel but not in the US?

If Trump wins, he will send US troops. Problem solved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that Israel is a problem country in the region. They want to memory hole all the stories about Israel deceptively getting nukes and begging the Congress for war in Iran back in.. 2009, 2010, 2013.

Reframing Hamas or 10/7 as part of their Iran problem is deceptive. They had issues with Iran being secretive about their nuclear ambitions. Imagine that!

It's quite encouraging to read the posts from seemingly MANY informed, realistic posters who are opposed to Israel's brutal subjugation and genocide - the same posters who the Zionist bullies (bully?) try to castigate as "one pro-Hamas terrorist" whenever the spotlight gets a bit too uncomfortable. Jeff must chuckle to himself when he reads those comments, too.

Threats of linguistic pattern analysis, bread crumbing federal agents into career-ending investigations of citizens exercising the same free speech our founders fought for, spittle frothing from their mouths as they rage against the persistence of this thread. But mostly what they do is serve up that word salad, obsessed day after day with what others have to say about Israel's atrocities.

Yikes! This is a lot of MAGA-like projection, but not surprising given the anti-Israel faction is its complimentary opposite: the irrational far-left.

If Israel would pause, take stock of what the future holds, discontinue their pattern of repeatedly provoking all of their neighbors, and work toward a reasonable solution to resolve the conflict of the last 80 or whatever years, I think I'd be quite happy to count myself as an Israel supporter.

But as it stands - yeah, no. Not even close. That doesn't mean I want to see Israel "wiped off the map", but who cares about that hyperbole anyway? That's about as realistic of an idea as the idea that the Cayman Islands will be the lone global superpower in the 21st century. That we allow you to cry about it like it's a realistic possibility speaks a lot to how much idiocy we entertain in this matter.

This shit is so one-sided and no amount of U.S. blocking and tackling (or designating as a terrorist anyone who dares to stand up to Israel after getting punched in the face by Israel repeatedly) will change my mind until I see wave after wave of change in the Middle East. It's long overdue.

It isn’t one-sided. You are incredibly naive.

I'm naive? That's rich. Truly.

It is one-sided. OF COURSE someone like you, who LOVES the prevailing one-sided imbalance, will take the stance that it's not one-sided ... why would you?

In reality, it's probably something like 73 - 80% Israel to blame, 10% topper for U.S. meddling under the guise of "facilitating peace", and 10 - 17% Palestinians to blame. To be honest, I'm surprised you're not trying to argue, as some have done here, that the one-sided imbalance favors the Palestinians at the same level. That's certifiable.

But even to suggest that EVERYONE outside the U.S. has it all wrong, and only the U.S. and Israel have it all right ... don't you get how the naive one is the person looking at you in the mirror?

It’s becoming more clear that the US and Middle East both have one thing in common: war fatigue.

Israel is an albatross for us not an asset. I can see how Israel had utility back when we needed intel on the Soviet Union. They were useful for that but what are they useful for now? They had spies following the hijackers and knew about 9/11 and didn’t tell us. Egypt did. They told us Iraq had WMD’s when they didn’t. They are now telling us Iran is a huge threat and orchestrated 10/7 even though they didn’t.

More proof exists that Hamas acted alone due to the West Bank settlements, Al Aqsa raids, and the ill advised US planned Saudi/Israeli relations deal. US only wanted to one up China because China made a peace deal btwn Iran and Saudi Arabia. It’s very concerning that even Saudi Arabia is abandoning the US for China under the Biden admin. This admin is such a failure. Do people realize if Saudi Arabia joins BRIC and stops the petrodollar it’s game over for us?

Israel and the U.S. stand alone with zero support not even from the UK if things continue with a Kamala administration.

Bruhh. They had Esptein. They're useful to all elite US politicians that don't won't their public reputations and private lives ruined...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wonder why Hamas did not kill 1/4 of the hostages when Israel assassinated Ismail Haniyeh?

They want the hostages alive to bribe Israel. The point was never to waste money feeding hostages just to kill them. They want them alive so they can tell their story about fearing Israeli bombs and about how “nice” Hamas is.
Stockholm Syndrome for sure has a hold on all the hostages. They’ve come to see Hamas as “protectors from Israel”

Hamas is psychologically more clever than Israel is right now. That’s why we see the failure of Israeli PR right now. They don’t realize the way to get to Hamas is all by playing a similar psychological game with Gazans. “hey, look at how they keep the hostages warm and fed and safe in the tunnels underground while you’re up there as human shields”.

There’s an easy argument to be made to dismantle Hamas for failure but Israel refuses to engage with Palestinians verbally or through dialogue. It’s just carpet bomb after carpet bomb. That helps Hamas

...This is not what hostages have been saying after they have been released/rescued.

What ever the Israel state pushes out is propaganda. The state of Israel has threaten the released hostages and families.

Are you really insane?

[Anonymous]

Imagine being a person that thinks Hamas is nice to hostages? Imagine believing all the bs that terrorists are nice???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Ultra-Orthodox protests in Jerusalem deteriorate into violence

The demonstration turned into a riot as police announced that the gathering was illegal, as ultra-Orthodox men attempted to break into the IDF's recruitment office in Jerusalem

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-08-21/ty-article/.premium/ultra-orthodox-protesters-clash-with-police-outside-israeli-armys-base-in-jerusalem/00000191-73fa-db7d-a7d7-7ffabf380000

Draft riots …must be Hamas. Why can Hamas protest in Israel but not in the US?

If Trump wins, he will send US troops. Problem solved.

No. No US soldier is setting foot in Israel, the West Bank, or Gaza. But if progressives get their way and take down Harris, it really empowers the Israeli right wing.

I don't understand why pro-Palestinians think Trump is their ally. Genuinely mystifying. I'm guessing it's the misogyny, the hatred for women, and the rage at LGBTQ that resonates with them.