Gaza war and College Campus Protests

[Anonymous]

This topic is back again. I wonder if this is the first protest movement interrupted so the protesters could go on holiday!

I really don’t get the goal here, it’s not like Hamas or Netanyahu care about what is going on half way around the world on US colleges. Divestment? That would seem a hollow win.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why these protesters weren't at the RNC? I honestly don't understand why they're protesting the DNC, but not Bibi's bestie Donald, who definitely doesn't care about Palestinians.

These are people who want “their party” to represent their interests. The leadership just expects everyone to shut up and fall in line. Things are changing.

They don't get to call the Democrats "their party" when they run around shrieking "Genocide Joe" and heckling Democrats during campaign events and so on. They have clearly taken a hateful, adversarial anti-Democrat position.

And don't even get me started on the fact that they are being organized and funded by Iran. To me, that means their political party is the IRGC, and it's clear they won't vote for Democrats - I don't recognize them as Democrats.

The Dems are a lot more than just Israel. You only care about Israel and enforcing your views on everyone else.

Let's be blunt and honest here - the staunchly pro-Hamas part of America may be obnoxiously loud and visible through its vandalism and occupying of street intersections but in terms of numbers, it's only 2% tops even in places like Michigan which has the highest percentage of Muslims. You want to enforce your views on 98% of America.

lol 98% of Americans do not give a sh#t if Israel continues or ceases to exist tomorrow. They can’t even find it on a map. Israel is a Jewish state and only 2% of the country is Jewish. Tell me again why 98% of the country is no allowed to migrate to Israel?

The dems are against racism, intolerance, oppression, apartheid, genocide but are for freedom, justice, religion freedoms, democracy, protection for minorities, helping the down trodden and oppressed, the constitution, equal rights, human right, etc. Now you think because Israel is important to you everyone should throw out their values and ignore what Israel is?

Do you know that people who aren't Jewish care about whether or not the State of Israel exists or not? The small percentage of Jews in this country =/= the percentage who care about the issue. For that matter, not all 2% of US Jews want Israel to exist.

As for finding it on a map, people voted on their feelings about Afghanistan and Iraq and couldn't find those on a map either. Americans form opinions about issues all the time without regard for maps.

Sorry to shatter your world but 98% of the people do not care. Israel is so unimportant to the vast majority of Americans that they do not even know it exist- ie can not find it on a map. Israel’s support among politicians is all manufactured by lobbyist. Israel policy in the US use to have no downside because 98% of Americans did not care. Israel had the political profile equivalent to importing farm raised salmon from Argentina.

That has changed with AIpac pushing of right wing ideology, the heinous crimes against humanity Israel commits daily and Israel giving the US the finger on everything. This keeps Israel in the news. No American wants to attack Iran or anyone else for Israel. No American wants to support a country that kills a little girls family, let’s her sit with her families blood all over her for hours and then kills the people who were sent to help her.

So now there is a huge downside to being associated with Israel or lord help you supporting Israel. Good luck with your genocide..never again!

You are very wrong about this. I know a lot of non-Jews who are hugely supportive of Israel as a democratic ally in the Middle East and as a home/important origin for the Christian religion as well as for Jewish and Muslim. Many American Christians visit Israel annually on trips to learn more about Christ and his life. Nearly every American service member I know supports Israel from a military perspective.

+1 Young people look really foolish being so stridently anti-Israel. They want an arms embargo? Ok Who will stop supplying arms to Hamas and other militant groups in the Middle East?

lol Hamas got all their “arms” from Israel. Any country near Israel needs to be armed otherwise Israel will invade. Remember Israel will break a treaty at anytime. It is words is worth less than zero. Look how Israel broke the 1979 Egypt–Israel peace treaty multiple times in the past 6 months. The only reason Israel did not attack Egypt is because they have a real military.

Israel has no allies in the Middle East and the world. There is a reason for this.

Hamas gets its arms from Iran. Israel needs to be armed otherwise other surrounding countries will invade. The world is much more complicated than your adolescent take on the conflict accommodates.

DP Not everyone has that keen intellect like you, sir or madam!

Hey, while we have that megabrain on the job, can you help explain something for the feeble minds here in the back of the classroom?

How exactly does Iran arm Hamas when Israel has maintained a complete land, sea, and air blockade on Gaza for decades?

Nothing crosses the land border without Israeli inspection. Not even a grain of rice. Nothing is permitted to cross the sea border, and of course there is only Israeli air traffic above the skies of Gaza. And yet you assert that Iran is arming Hamas despite the Israeli lockdown?

Were you sleeping through news about the tunnels?

After the 2007 imposition of a blockade on the Gaza Strip by Israel and Egypt, the Iranian Quds Force under the longtime direction of General Qasem Soleimani has been active in supporting the further construction of tunnels under Gaza and the smuggling of weapons through these tunnels to the armed wings of Hamas.

PP

Can you pick a lane, please? Is Israel competent and worthy of U.S. support as a capable ally, but these wily Palestinians and Iranians are just building tunnels right under their noses? Or is Israel, after all the money we've wasted on her, still the most incompetent government in the world, unable to detect and prevent weapons smuggling EVEN WITH a brutal land, sea, and air blockade?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This topic is back again. I wonder if this is the first protest movement interrupted so the protesters could go on holiday!

I really don’t get the goal here, it’s not like Hamas or Netanyahu care about what is going on half way around the world on US colleges. Divestment? That would seem a hollow win.

DP

It's simple.

Those who want an end to the genocidal massacre in Gaza (short-term goal). and who want progress in resolving the conflict once and for all (long-term goal), find utility in discussing the issues here. They want the thread to continue as long as needed ...

Those who want to preserve the status quo for self-serving reasons feel otherwise. There are many reasons for their narcissistic feelings, but a common one involves the fact that they have loved ones from Brooklyn or Poland or Ukraine who are the beneficiary of U.S. taxpayer-funded weapons when the Israeli government and the IDF explicitly back the expansion of settlements, in flagrant violation of international law. They are in a tailspin seeing these discussions continue, knowing that the longer they continue, the more people become aware of Israel's atrocities. They want the thread killed ASAP. They have been screeching about that goal for months, and they badger the admin to shut it down regularly.

Again, it's very simple. Those in the wrong just want to bury the body as quickly as possible to avoid detection.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This topic is back again. I wonder if this is the first protest movement interrupted so the protesters could go on holiday!

I really don’t get the goal here, it’s not like Hamas or Netanyahu care about what is going on half way around the world on US colleges. Divestment? That would seem a hollow win.

DP

It's simple.

Those who want an end to the genocidal massacre in Gaza (short-term goal). and who want progress in resolving the conflict once and for all (long-term goal), find utility in discussing the issues here. They want the thread to continue as long as needed ...

Those who want to preserve the status quo for self-serving reasons feel otherwise. There are many reasons for their narcissistic feelings, but a common one involves the fact that they have loved ones from Brooklyn or Poland or Ukraine who are the beneficiary of U.S. taxpayer-funded weapons when the Israeli government and the IDF explicitly back the expansion of settlements, in flagrant violation of international law. They are in a tailspin seeing these discussions continue, knowing that the longer they continue, the more people become aware of Israel's atrocities. They want the thread killed ASAP. They have been screeching about that goal for months, and they badger the admin to shut it down regularly.

Again, it's very simple. Those in the wrong just want to bury the body as quickly as possible to avoid detection.

DP.

Quite the contrary here. I love seeing the same 2-3 posters dig up this thread.

They discredit themselves and reveal their true motives every time:

“Iran is a force for peace”

“Tunnels aren’t real”

“Palestinians favor a 2 state solution”

“Who cares that the hostages were murdered?”

And so forth and so on.

It’s wonderfully illustrative.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why these protesters weren't at the RNC? I honestly don't understand why they're protesting the DNC, but not Bibi's bestie Donald, who definitely doesn't care about Palestinians.

These are people who want “their party” to represent their interests. The leadership just expects everyone to shut up and fall in line. Things are changing.

They don't get to call the Democrats "their party" when they run around shrieking "Genocide Joe" and heckling Democrats during campaign events and so on. They have clearly taken a hateful, adversarial anti-Democrat position.

And don't even get me started on the fact that they are being organized and funded by Iran. To me, that means their political party is the IRGC, and it's clear they won't vote for Democrats - I don't recognize them as Democrats.

The Dems are a lot more than just Israel. You only care about Israel and enforcing your views on everyone else.

Let's be blunt and honest here - the staunchly pro-Hamas part of America may be obnoxiously loud and visible through its vandalism and occupying of street intersections but in terms of numbers, it's only 2% tops even in places like Michigan which has the highest percentage of Muslims. You want to enforce your views on 98% of America.

lol 98% of Americans do not give a sh#t if Israel continues or ceases to exist tomorrow. They can’t even find it on a map. Israel is a Jewish state and only 2% of the country is Jewish. Tell me again why 98% of the country is no allowed to migrate to Israel?

The dems are against racism, intolerance, oppression, apartheid, genocide but are for freedom, justice, religion freedoms, democracy, protection for minorities, helping the down trodden and oppressed, the constitution, equal rights, human right, etc. Now you think because Israel is important to you everyone should throw out their values and ignore what Israel is?

Do you know that people who aren't Jewish care about whether or not the State of Israel exists or not? The small percentage of Jews in this country =/= the percentage who care about the issue. For that matter, not all 2% of US Jews want Israel to exist.

As for finding it on a map, people voted on their feelings about Afghanistan and Iraq and couldn't find those on a map either. Americans form opinions about issues all the time without regard for maps.

Sorry to shatter your world but 98% of the people do not care. Israel is so unimportant to the vast majority of Americans that they do not even know it exist- ie can not find it on a map. Israel’s support among politicians is all manufactured by lobbyist. Israel policy in the US use to have no downside because 98% of Americans did not care. Israel had the political profile equivalent to importing farm raised salmon from Argentina.

That has changed with AIpac pushing of right wing ideology, the heinous crimes against humanity Israel commits daily and Israel giving the US the finger on everything. This keeps Israel in the news. No American wants to attack Iran or anyone else for Israel. No American wants to support a country that kills a little girls family, let’s her sit with her families blood all over her for hours and then kills the people who were sent to help her.

So now there is a huge downside to being associated with Israel or lord help you supporting Israel. Good luck with your genocide..never again!

You are very wrong about this. I know a lot of non-Jews who are hugely supportive of Israel as a democratic ally in the Middle East and as a home/important origin for the Christian religion as well as for Jewish and Muslim. Many American Christians visit Israel annually on trips to learn more about Christ and his life. Nearly every American service member I know supports Israel from a military perspective.

+1 Young people look really foolish being so stridently anti-Israel. They want an arms embargo? Ok Who will stop supplying arms to Hamas and other militant groups in the Middle East?

lol Hamas got all their “arms” from Israel. Any country near Israel needs to be armed otherwise Israel will invade. Remember Israel will break a treaty at anytime. It is words is worth less than zero. Look how Israel broke the 1979 Egypt–Israel peace treaty multiple times in the past 6 months. The only reason Israel did not attack Egypt is because they have a real military.

Israel has no allies in the Middle East and the world. There is a reason for this.

Hamas gets its arms from Iran. Israel needs to be armed otherwise other surrounding countries will invade. The world is much more complicated than your adolescent take on the conflict accommodates.

DP Not everyone has that keen intellect like you, sir or madam!

Hey, while we have that megabrain on the job, can you help explain something for the feeble minds here in the back of the classroom?

How exactly does Iran arm Hamas when Israel has maintained a complete land, sea, and air blockade on Gaza for decades?

Nothing crosses the land border without Israeli inspection. Not even a grain of rice. Nothing is permitted to cross the sea border, and of course there is only Israeli air traffic above the skies of Gaza. And yet you assert that Iran is arming Hamas despite the Israeli lockdown?

Were you sleeping through news about the tunnels?

After the 2007 imposition of a blockade on the Gaza Strip by Israel and Egypt, the Iranian Quds Force under the longtime direction of General Qasem Soleimani has been active in supporting the further construction of tunnels under Gaza and the smuggling of weapons through these tunnels to the armed wings of Hamas.

PP

Can you pick a lane, please? Is Israel competent and worthy of U.S. support as a capable ally, but these wily Palestinians and Iranians are just building tunnels right under their noses? Or is Israel, after all the money we've wasted on her, still the most incompetent government in the world, unable to detect and prevent weapons smuggling EVEN WITH a brutal land, sea, and air blockade?

Israel has a hasbara technique of lying.

Whatever they blame someone else for doing, they’ve historically done.

Iran didn’t prop up Hamas. Israel did.
Iraq didn’t have yellowcake WMD. Israel did.
College protestors aren’t pro Hamas. Israel is.

Stated and verbatim from the Mossad intelligence chiefs themselves, Israel was pro Hamas.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why these protesters weren't at the RNC? I honestly don't understand why they're protesting the DNC, but not Bibi's bestie Donald, who definitely doesn't care about Palestinians.

These are people who want “their party” to represent their interests. The leadership just expects everyone to shut up and fall in line. Things are changing.

They don't get to call the Democrats "their party" when they run around shrieking "Genocide Joe" and heckling Democrats during campaign events and so on. They have clearly taken a hateful, adversarial anti-Democrat position.

And don't even get me started on the fact that they are being organized and funded by Iran. To me, that means their political party is the IRGC, and it's clear they won't vote for Democrats - I don't recognize them as Democrats.

The Dems are a lot more than just Israel. You only care about Israel and enforcing your views on everyone else.

Let's be blunt and honest here - the staunchly pro-Hamas part of America may be obnoxiously loud and visible through its vandalism and occupying of street intersections but in terms of numbers, it's only 2% tops even in places like Michigan which has the highest percentage of Muslims. You want to enforce your views on 98% of America.

lol 98% of Americans do not give a sh#t if Israel continues or ceases to exist tomorrow. They can’t even find it on a map. Israel is a Jewish state and only 2% of the country is Jewish. Tell me again why 98% of the country is no allowed to migrate to Israel?

The dems are against racism, intolerance, oppression, apartheid, genocide but are for freedom, justice, religion freedoms, democracy, protection for minorities, helping the down trodden and oppressed, the constitution, equal rights, human right, etc. Now you think because Israel is important to you everyone should throw out their values and ignore what Israel is?

Do you know that people who aren't Jewish care about whether or not the State of Israel exists or not? The small percentage of Jews in this country =/= the percentage who care about the issue. For that matter, not all 2% of US Jews want Israel to exist.

As for finding it on a map, people voted on their feelings about Afghanistan and Iraq and couldn't find those on a map either. Americans form opinions about issues all the time without regard for maps.

Sorry to shatter your world but 98% of the people do not care. Israel is so unimportant to the vast majority of Americans that they do not even know it exist- ie can not find it on a map. Israel’s support among politicians is all manufactured by lobbyist. Israel policy in the US use to have no downside because 98% of Americans did not care. Israel had the political profile equivalent to importing farm raised salmon from Argentina.

That has changed with AIpac pushing of right wing ideology, the heinous crimes against humanity Israel commits daily and Israel giving the US the finger on everything. This keeps Israel in the news. No American wants to attack Iran or anyone else for Israel. No American wants to support a country that kills a little girls family, let’s her sit with her families blood all over her for hours and then kills the people who were sent to help her.

So now there is a huge downside to being associated with Israel or lord help you supporting Israel. Good luck with your genocide..never again!

You are very wrong about this. I know a lot of non-Jews who are hugely supportive of Israel as a democratic ally in the Middle East and as a home/important origin for the Christian religion as well as for Jewish and Muslim. Many American Christians visit Israel annually on trips to learn more about Christ and his life. Nearly every American service member I know supports Israel from a military perspective.

+1 Young people look really foolish being so stridently anti-Israel. They want an arms embargo? Ok Who will stop supplying arms to Hamas and other militant groups in the Middle East?

lol Hamas got all their “arms” from Israel. Any country near Israel needs to be armed otherwise Israel will invade. Remember Israel will break a treaty at anytime. It is words is worth less than zero. Look how Israel broke the 1979 Egypt–Israel peace treaty multiple times in the past 6 months. The only reason Israel did not attack Egypt is because they have a real military.

Israel has no allies in the Middle East and the world. There is a reason for this.

Hamas gets its arms from Iran. Israel needs to be armed otherwise other surrounding countries will invade. The world is much more complicated than your adolescent take on the conflict accommodates.

How did they get these arms in? Air drop? By ship?

By tunnel from Egypt? Egypt and Iran don’t have a relationship.

Hezbollah and Hamas cannot cross feed arms without passing Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wonder why Hamas did not kill 1/4 of the hostages when Israel assassinated Ismail Haniyeh?

They want the hostages alive to bribe Israel. The point was never to waste money feeding hostages just to kill them. They want them alive so they can tell their story about fearing Israeli bombs and about how “nice” Hamas is.
Stockholm Syndrome for sure has a hold on all the hostages. They’ve come to see Hamas as “protectors from Israel”

Hamas is psychologically more clever than Israel is right now. That’s why we see the failure of Israeli PR right now. They don’t realize the way to get to Hamas is all by playing a similar psychological game with Gazans. “hey, look at how they keep the hostages warm and fed and safe in the tunnels underground while you’re up there as human shields”.

There’s an easy argument to be made to dismantle Hamas for failure but Israel refuses to engage with Palestinians verbally or through dialogue. It’s just carpet bomb after carpet bomb. That helps Hamas

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why these protesters weren't at the RNC? I honestly don't understand why they're protesting the DNC, but not Bibi's bestie Donald, who definitely doesn't care about Palestinians.

These are people who want “their party” to represent their interests. The leadership just expects everyone to shut up and fall in line. Things are changing.

They don't get to call the Democrats "their party" when they run around shrieking "Genocide Joe" and heckling Democrats during campaign events and so on. They have clearly taken a hateful, adversarial anti-Democrat position.

And don't even get me started on the fact that they are being organized and funded by Iran. To me, that means their political party is the IRGC, and it's clear they won't vote for Democrats - I don't recognize them as Democrats.

The Dems are a lot more than just Israel. You only care about Israel and enforcing your views on everyone else.

Let's be blunt and honest here - the staunchly pro-Hamas part of America may be obnoxiously loud and visible through its vandalism and occupying of street intersections but in terms of numbers, it's only 2% tops even in places like Michigan which has the highest percentage of Muslims. You want to enforce your views on 98% of America.

lol 98% of Americans do not give a sh#t if Israel continues or ceases to exist tomorrow. They can’t even find it on a map. Israel is a Jewish state and only 2% of the country is Jewish. Tell me again why 98% of the country is no allowed to migrate to Israel?

The dems are against racism, intolerance, oppression, apartheid, genocide but are for freedom, justice, religion freedoms, democracy, protection for minorities, helping the down trodden and oppressed, the constitution, equal rights, human right, etc. Now you think because Israel is important to you everyone should throw out their values and ignore what Israel is?

Do you know that people who aren't Jewish care about whether or not the State of Israel exists or not? The small percentage of Jews in this country =/= the percentage who care about the issue. For that matter, not all 2% of US Jews want Israel to exist.

As for finding it on a map, people voted on their feelings about Afghanistan and Iraq and couldn't find those on a map either. Americans form opinions about issues all the time without regard for maps.

Sorry to shatter your world but 98% of the people do not care. Israel is so unimportant to the vast majority of Americans that they do not even know it exist- ie can not find it on a map. Israel’s support among politicians is all manufactured by lobbyist. Israel policy in the US use to have no downside because 98% of Americans did not care. Israel had the political profile equivalent to importing farm raised salmon from Argentina.

That has changed with AIpac pushing of right wing ideology, the heinous crimes against humanity Israel commits daily and Israel giving the US the finger on everything. This keeps Israel in the news. No American wants to attack Iran or anyone else for Israel. No American wants to support a country that kills a little girls family, let’s her sit with her families blood all over her for hours and then kills the people who were sent to help her.

So now there is a huge downside to being associated with Israel or lord help you supporting Israel. Good luck with your genocide..never again!

You are very wrong about this. I know a lot of non-Jews who are hugely supportive of Israel as a democratic ally in the Middle East and as a home/important origin for the Christian religion as well as for Jewish and Muslim. Many American Christians visit Israel annually on trips to learn more about Christ and his life. Nearly every American service member I know supports Israel from a military perspective.

+1 Young people look really foolish being so stridently anti-Israel. They want an arms embargo? Ok Who will stop supplying arms to Hamas and other militant groups in the Middle East?

lol Hamas got all their “arms” from Israel. Any country near Israel needs to be armed otherwise Israel will invade. Remember Israel will break a treaty at anytime. It is words is worth less than zero. Look how Israel broke the 1979 Egypt–Israel peace treaty multiple times in the past 6 months. The only reason Israel did not attack Egypt is because they have a real military.

Israel has no allies in the Middle East and the world. There is a reason for this.

Hamas gets its arms from Iran. Israel needs to be armed otherwise other surrounding countries will invade. The world is much more complicated than your adolescent take on the conflict accommodates.

DP Not everyone has that keen intellect like you, sir or madam!

Hey, while we have that megabrain on the job, can you help explain something for the feeble minds here in the back of the classroom?

How exactly does Iran arm Hamas when Israel has maintained a complete land, sea, and air blockade on Gaza for decades?

Nothing crosses the land border without Israeli inspection. Not even a grain of rice. Nothing is permitted to cross the sea border, and of course there is only Israeli air traffic above the skies of Gaza. And yet you assert that Iran is arming Hamas despite the Israeli lockdown?

Were you sleeping through news about the tunnels?

After the 2007 imposition of a blockade on the Gaza Strip by Israel and Egypt, the Iranian Quds Force under the longtime direction of General Qasem Soleimani has been active in supporting the further construction of tunnels under Gaza and the smuggling of weapons through these tunnels to the armed wings of Hamas.

PP

Can you pick a lane, please? Is Israel competent and worthy of U.S. support as a capable ally, but these wily Palestinians and Iranians are just building tunnels right under their noses? Or is Israel, after all the money we've wasted on her, still the most incompetent government in the world, unable to detect and prevent weapons smuggling EVEN WITH a brutal land, sea, and air blockade?

Israel has a hasbara technique of lying.

Whatever they blame someone else for doing, they’ve historically done.

Iran didn’t prop up Hamas. Israel did.
Iraq didn’t have yellowcake WMD. Israel did.
College protestors aren’t pro Hamas. Israel is.

Stated and verbatim from the Mossad intelligence chiefs themselves, Israel was pro Hamas.

If Palestinians and the protesters rejected Hamas, it'd be very simple.

But they don't, and we all see what's what.

[Anonymous]

The Israeli Carpet bombing of Gaza helps Hamas four ways with Americans, Israeli hostages, Gazans, and international community . Win win win which should be a loss loss loss.

Hamas knows they can’t win the war against Israel technologically. They want a deeper more insidious war. A war of reputation and repudiation -one that they certainly know has hurt Israelis and Jewish diasporas in the past.

Unfortunately, Israel is a country that isn’t led by the sharpest leaders.

Instead of psychological warfare, they are focused on extending the war and global outrage of them by going to Iran.

This is like a gift to Hamas-like manna from heaven. How dumb does Israel have to be to extrapolate the conflict to Iran at this juncture? We all have the record of Netanyahu pushing for war in Iran far before 10/7.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why these protesters weren't at the RNC? I honestly don't understand why they're protesting the DNC, but not Bibi's bestie Donald, who definitely doesn't care about Palestinians.

These are people who want “their party” to represent their interests. The leadership just expects everyone to shut up and fall in line. Things are changing.

They don't get to call the Democrats "their party" when they run around shrieking "Genocide Joe" and heckling Democrats during campaign events and so on. They have clearly taken a hateful, adversarial anti-Democrat position.

And don't even get me started on the fact that they are being organized and funded by Iran. To me, that means their political party is the IRGC, and it's clear they won't vote for Democrats - I don't recognize them as Democrats.

The Dems are a lot more than just Israel. You only care about Israel and enforcing your views on everyone else.

Let's be blunt and honest here - the staunchly pro-Hamas part of America may be obnoxiously loud and visible through its vandalism and occupying of street intersections but in terms of numbers, it's only 2% tops even in places like Michigan which has the highest percentage of Muslims. You want to enforce your views on 98% of America.

lol 98% of Americans do not give a sh#t if Israel continues or ceases to exist tomorrow. They can’t even find it on a map. Israel is a Jewish state and only 2% of the country is Jewish. Tell me again why 98% of the country is no allowed to migrate to Israel?

The dems are against racism, intolerance, oppression, apartheid, genocide but are for freedom, justice, religion freedoms, democracy, protection for minorities, helping the down trodden and oppressed, the constitution, equal rights, human right, etc. Now you think because Israel is important to you everyone should throw out their values and ignore what Israel is?

Do you know that people who aren't Jewish care about whether or not the State of Israel exists or not? The small percentage of Jews in this country =/= the percentage who care about the issue. For that matter, not all 2% of US Jews want Israel to exist.

As for finding it on a map, people voted on their feelings about Afghanistan and Iraq and couldn't find those on a map either. Americans form opinions about issues all the time without regard for maps.

Sorry to shatter your world but 98% of the people do not care. Israel is so unimportant to the vast majority of Americans that they do not even know it exist- ie can not find it on a map. Israel’s support among politicians is all manufactured by lobbyist. Israel policy in the US use to have no downside because 98% of Americans did not care. Israel had the political profile equivalent to importing farm raised salmon from Argentina.

That has changed with AIpac pushing of right wing ideology, the heinous crimes against humanity Israel commits daily and Israel giving the US the finger on everything. This keeps Israel in the news. No American wants to attack Iran or anyone else for Israel. No American wants to support a country that kills a little girls family, let’s her sit with her families blood all over her for hours and then kills the people who were sent to help her.

So now there is a huge downside to being associated with Israel or lord help you supporting Israel. Good luck with your genocide..never again!

You are very wrong about this. I know a lot of non-Jews who are hugely supportive of Israel as a democratic ally in the Middle East and as a home/important origin for the Christian religion as well as for Jewish and Muslim. Many American Christians visit Israel annually on trips to learn more about Christ and his life. Nearly every American service member I know supports Israel from a military perspective.

+1 Young people look really foolish being so stridently anti-Israel. They want an arms embargo? Ok Who will stop supplying arms to Hamas and other militant groups in the Middle East?

lol Hamas got all their “arms” from Israel. Any country near Israel needs to be armed otherwise Israel will invade. Remember Israel will break a treaty at anytime. It is words is worth less than zero. Look how Israel broke the 1979 Egypt–Israel peace treaty multiple times in the past 6 months. The only reason Israel did not attack Egypt is because they have a real military.

Israel has no allies in the Middle East and the world. There is a reason for this.

Hamas gets its arms from Iran. Israel needs to be armed otherwise other surrounding countries will invade. The world is much more complicated than your adolescent take on the conflict accommodates.

DP Not everyone has that keen intellect like you, sir or madam!

Hey, while we have that megabrain on the job, can you help explain something for the feeble minds here in the back of the classroom?

How exactly does Iran arm Hamas when Israel has maintained a complete land, sea, and air blockade on Gaza for decades?

Nothing crosses the land border without Israeli inspection. Not even a grain of rice. Nothing is permitted to cross the sea border, and of course there is only Israeli air traffic above the skies of Gaza. And yet you assert that Iran is arming Hamas despite the Israeli lockdown?

Were you sleeping through news about the tunnels?

After the 2007 imposition of a blockade on the Gaza Strip by Israel and Egypt, the Iranian Quds Force under the longtime direction of General Qasem Soleimani has been active in supporting the further construction of tunnels under Gaza and the smuggling of weapons through these tunnels to the armed wings of Hamas.

PP

Can you pick a lane, please? Is Israel competent and worthy of U.S. support as a capable ally, but these wily Palestinians and Iranians are just building tunnels right under their noses? Or is Israel, after all the money we've wasted on her, still the most incompetent government in the world, unable to detect and prevent weapons smuggling EVEN WITH a brutal land, sea, and air blockade?

Israel has a hasbara technique of lying.

Whatever they blame someone else for doing, they’ve historically done.

Iran didn’t prop up Hamas. Israel did.
Iraq didn’t have yellowcake WMD. Israel did.
College protestors aren’t pro Hamas. Israel is.

Stated and verbatim from the Mossad intelligence chiefs themselves, Israel was pro Hamas.

If Palestinians and the protesters rejected Hamas, it'd be very simple.

But they don't, and we all see what's what.

Reject them how? Palestinians tried to reject Hamas many many times and Israel and the U.S. refused to listen. Palestinians wrote letters to Israel and the WH begging them to not even allow Hamas to run in the 2006 election because they were an extremist hate group

You do realize Palestinians don’t have guns to fight Hamas? The blockade traps them in Gaza with nobody but Hamas.

As for the protestors, these groups are also aligned with Jewish voices for peace so how does that have anything to do with Iran or Hamas?

Professional troublemakers saying inflammatory and racist remarks always exist as these sort of protests always attract riff raff but they don’t take away from the general point and concern which is the bombing of Gaza.

Put yourself in an Israeli hostage’s shoes. They would stand with the Gaza protestors because for right now they are temporary Gazan citizens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This topic is back again. I wonder if this is the first protest movement interrupted so the protesters could go on holiday!

I really don’t get the goal here, it’s not like Hamas or Netanyahu care about what is going on half way around the world on US colleges. Divestment? That would seem a hollow win.

DP

It's simple.

Those who want an end to the genocidal massacre in Gaza (short-term goal). and who want progress in resolving the conflict once and for all (long-term goal), find utility in discussing the issues here. They want the thread to continue as long as needed ...

Those who want to preserve the status quo for self-serving reasons feel otherwise. There are many reasons for their narcissistic feelings, but a common one involves the fact that they have loved ones from Brooklyn or Poland or Ukraine who are the beneficiary of U.S. taxpayer-funded weapons when the Israeli government and the IDF explicitly back the expansion of settlements, in flagrant violation of international law. They are in a tailspin seeing these discussions continue, knowing that the longer they continue, the more people become aware of Israel's atrocities. They want the thread killed ASAP. They have been screeching about that goal for months, and they badger the admin to shut it down regularly.

Again, it's very simple. Those in the wrong just want to bury the body as quickly as possible to avoid detection.

DP.

Quite the contrary here. I love seeing the same 2-3 posters dig up this thread.

They discredit themselves and reveal their true motives every time:

“Iran is a force for peace”

“Tunnels aren’t real”

“Palestinians favor a 2 state solution”

“Who cares that the hostages were murdered?”

And so forth and so on.

It’s wonderfully illustrative.

Sure, Jan. You love it. Undoubtedly. No, really.

Back here in reality, I can sense your blood pressure rising every time you feel that compulsion to come here and express exasperation that it still carries on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This topic is back again. I wonder if this is the first protest movement interrupted so the protesters could go on holiday!

I really don’t get the goal here, it’s not like Hamas or Netanyahu care about what is going on half way around the world on US colleges. Divestment? That would seem a hollow win.

DP

It's simple.

Those who want an end to the genocidal massacre in Gaza (short-term goal). and who want progress in resolving the conflict once and for all (long-term goal), find utility in discussing the issues here. They want the thread to continue as long as needed ...

Those who want to preserve the status quo for self-serving reasons feel otherwise. There are many reasons for their narcissistic feelings, but a common one involves the fact that they have loved ones from Brooklyn or Poland or Ukraine who are the beneficiary of U.S. taxpayer-funded weapons when the Israeli government and the IDF explicitly back the expansion of settlements, in flagrant violation of international law. They are in a tailspin seeing these discussions continue, knowing that the longer they continue, the more people become aware of Israel's atrocities. They want the thread killed ASAP. They have been screeching about that goal for months, and they badger the admin to shut it down regularly.

Again, it's very simple. Those in the wrong just want to bury the body as quickly as possible to avoid detection.

DP.

Quite the contrary here. I love seeing the same 2-3 posters dig up this thread.

They discredit themselves and reveal their true motives every time:

“Iran is a force for peace”

“Tunnels aren’t real”

“Palestinians favor a 2 state solution”

“Who cares that the hostages were murdered?”

And so forth and so on.

It’s wonderfully illustrative.

What’s illustrative is your penchant for lying. Wonder where you got it from.

Nobody said any of the above except the 2 state solution and that would be right.
The President of Palestine is Mahmoud Abbas and he supports a two state solution.

Which political leader in Israel supports a 2 state solution? Netanyahu supported Hamas and made them billionaires richer than Donald Trump all because President Mahmoud Abbas’ peace agenda with the West was a threat.

We know who the enemy of peace is in the region based on the war mongering for Iran

[Anonymous]

In fact, Donald Trump even said he realized Palestinians weren’t opposed to a deal. It was Israel. He’s noted this many times and how much more he liked Abbas than Netanyahu.

Does that make an obviously anti Hamas Trump pro Hamas?

Anyone who calls out Israel’s flaws is not pro Hamas despise what the posters here seem to think. A supporter of Israel is by default a supporter of Hamas so long as the pro Hamas Likud Party continues to lead Israel

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wonder why Hamas did not kill 1/4 of the hostages when Israel assassinated Ismail Haniyeh?

I wonder why Israel didn’t kill any Iranians during the assanination in Iran? They had him tracked going to the presidential inauguration there. Why not carpet bomb it for 1 Hamas just like they do in Gaza?

They want a war in Iran right? What are they waiting for?

Us?

[Anonymous]

You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that Israel is a problem country in the region. They want to memory hole all the stories about Israel deceptively getting nukes and begging the Congress for war in Iran back in.. 2009, 2010, 2013.

Reframing Hamas or 10/7 as part of their Iran problem is deceptive. They had issues with Iran being secretive about their nuclear ambitions. Imagine that!