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Anonymous wrote:Did something happen to cause them to leave?

I can’t speak for them specifically, but I know a few families that have left and it is usually bc the director and admin staff are useless and the teams almost always fall off. Most directors are plugged into the showcase circuits like BIC and American Select, she couldn’t care less about them. Most teams actively recruit talent to keep teams competitive, MDU usually doesn’t do anything unless a parent of coach decides to do something. Underperforming coaches are allowed to keep coaching, and underperforming teams almost never turn it around.

Not saying you are wrong but none of that relates to the MDU 2030 team which has been top 3 nationally since they started rankings in 6th grade.

That team was amazing, but they lasted exactly one year longer than the 2029 east team did before blowing up. Some MDU teams make it until HS, but they almost always blow up. Now it is 2030 east’s turn and they are already losing their 2 best players. More will probably leave after tryouts, it is just what happens. Why? Each team is different, but my points are part of the reasons why. Recruiting is as much keeping talent in house as it is pulling outside kids in, and MDU is terrible at it.

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

HG going to replace MDU in top 5 after this is over

Perhaps. But MDU encouraged their player to go ahead and leave if she was looking, so MDU may have talent coming. MDU midfielder is very good but there are definitely multiple better middies in Baltimore - already on my DD’s MnD black and on HG

Honestly, the director is such a spiteful dufus, she probably did tell her best players to go elsewhere, lol. But they don’t have anyone coming in, there isn’t anyone to bring in.

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

HG going to replace MDU in top 5 after this is over

Perhaps. But MDU encouraged their player to go ahead and leave if she was looking, so MDU may have talent coming. MDU midfielder is very good but there are definitely multiple better middies in Baltimore - already on my DD’s MnD black and on HG

She’s playing for HG this summer so someone going to get bumped.

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I wonder if it has anything to do with the new coach? From Check Hers to Hero's White to MDU East in back to back to back years.

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

HG going to replace MDU in top 5 after this is over

Perhaps. But MDU encouraged their player to go ahead and leave if she was looking, so MDU may have talent coming. MDU midfielder is very good but there are definitely multiple better middies in Baltimore - already on my DD’s MnD black and on HG

Honestly, the director is such a spiteful dufus, she probably did tell her best players to go elsewhere, lol. But they don’t have anyone coming in, there isn’t anyone to bring in.

I wouldn’t have a lame duck player finish out the summer either, who cares? Time to move kids around and see who can feel void.

At best, it’s a distraction.

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Anonymous wrote:Did something happen to cause them to leave?

I can’t speak for them specifically, but I know a few families that have left and it is usually bc the director and admin staff are useless and the teams almost always fall off. Most directors are plugged into the showcase circuits like BIC and American Select, she couldn’t care less about them. Most teams actively recruit talent to keep teams competitive, MDU usually doesn’t do anything unless a parent of coach decides to do something. Underperforming coaches are allowed to keep coaching, and underperforming teams almost never turn it around.

Not saying you are wrong but none of that relates to the MDU 2030 team which has been top 3 nationally since they started rankings in 6th grade.

That team was amazing, but they lasted exactly one year longer than the 2029 east team did before blowing up. Some MDU teams make it until HS, but they almost always blow up. Now it is 2030 east’s turn and they are already losing their 2 best players. More will probably leave after tryouts, it is just what happens. Why? Each team is different, but my points are part of the reasons why. Recruiting is as much keeping talent in house as it is pulling outside kids in, and MDU is terrible at it.

2030 light years better than the 2029 MDU team, not even comparable.

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Anonymous wrote:Did something happen to cause them to leave?

I can’t speak for them specifically, but I know a few families that have left and it is usually bc the director and admin staff are useless and the teams almost always fall off. Most directors are plugged into the showcase circuits like BIC and American Select, she couldn’t care less about them. Most teams actively recruit talent to keep teams competitive, MDU usually doesn’t do anything unless a parent of coach decides to do something. Underperforming coaches are allowed to keep coaching, and underperforming teams almost never turn it around.

Not saying you are wrong but none of that relates to the MDU 2030 team which has been top 3 nationally since they started rankings in 6th grade.

That team was amazing, but they lasted exactly one year longer than the 2029 east team did before blowing up. Some MDU teams make it until HS, but they almost always blow up. Now it is 2030 east’s turn and they are already losing their 2 best players. More will probably leave after tryouts, it is just what happens. Why? Each team is different, but my points are part of the reasons why. Recruiting is as much keeping talent in house as it is pulling outside kids in, and MDU is terrible at it.

2030 light years better than the 2029 MDU team, not even comparable.

Now, but at one time the 2029 east team was top 10. They fell off, just like 2030 east now, so perfect comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

HG going to replace MDU in top 5 after this is over

Perhaps. But MDU encouraged their player to go ahead and leave if she was looking, so MDU may have talent coming. MDU midfielder is very good but there are definitely multiple better middies in Baltimore - already on my DD’s MnD black and on HG

Honestly, the director is such a spiteful dufus, she probably did tell her best players to go elsewhere, lol. But they don’t have anyone coming in, there isn’t anyone to bring in.

I wouldn’t have a lame duck player finish out the summer either, who cares? Time to move kids around and see who can feel void.

At best, it’s a distraction.

Yeah, except one of the two leaving wasn’t gone, just looking around as you should. Pushing her out the door is idiotic.

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

HG going to replace MDU in top 5 after this is over

Perhaps. But MDU encouraged their player to go ahead and leave if she was looking, so MDU may have talent coming. MDU midfielder is very good but there are definitely multiple better middies in Baltimore - already on my DD’s MnD black and on HG

Honestly, the director is such a spiteful dufus, she probably did tell her best players to go elsewhere, lol. But they don’t have anyone coming in, there isn’t anyone to bring in.

I wouldn’t have a lame duck player finish out the summer either, who cares? Time to move kids around and see who can feel void.

At best, it’s a distraction.

Yeah, except one of the two leaving wasn’t gone, just looking around as you should. Pushing her out the door is idiotic.

Not too long ago club tryouts were after tournament season was mostly over. Then they were pushed earlier and earlier as teams tried to be first to hold them so they could force girls to decide within 48 hours and prevent them from going to other clubs' tryouts. This combined with "open practices" has created a terrible atmosphere where girls getting ready to play with their team for the summer are leaving early, replacing girls from current teams etc. It is never going to go back to the way it was, but I wish it would. Even worse is when tryouts happen and girls are cut and they have 2 more tournaments with their team...

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

HG going to replace MDU in top 5 after this is over

Perhaps. But MDU encouraged their player to go ahead and leave if she was looking, so MDU may have talent coming. MDU midfielder is very good but there are definitely multiple better middies in Baltimore - already on my DD’s MnD black and on HG

Honestly, the director is such a spiteful dufus, she probably did tell her best players to go elsewhere, lol. But they don’t have anyone coming in, there isn’t anyone to bring in.

I wouldn’t have a lame duck player finish out the summer either, who cares? Time to move kids around and see who can feel void.

At best, it’s a distraction.

Yeah, except one of the two leaving wasn’t gone, just looking around as you should. Pushing her out the door is idiotic.

Not too long ago club tryouts were after tournament season was mostly over. Then they were pushed earlier and earlier as teams tried to be first to hold them so they could force girls to decide within 48 hours and prevent them from going to other clubs' tryouts. This combined with "open practices" has created a terrible atmosphere where girls getting ready to play with their team for the summer are leaving early, replacing girls from current teams etc. It is never going to go back to the way it was, but I wish it would. Even worse is when tryouts happen and girls are cut and they have 2 more tournaments with their team...

And yes the MDU club director is notorious for telling girls "don't come back" if they go to an open practice or are shopping around (not even have decided to officially leave the team), but does not actively try to get girls to replace them.

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Anonymous wrote:Did something happen to cause them to leave?

I can’t speak for them specifically, but I know a few families that have left and it is usually bc the director and admin staff are useless and the teams almost always fall off. Most directors are plugged into the showcase circuits like BIC and American Select, she couldn’t care less about them. Most teams actively recruit talent to keep teams competitive, MDU usually doesn’t do anything unless a parent of coach decides to do something. Underperforming coaches are allowed to keep coaching, and underperforming teams almost never turn it around.

Not saying you are wrong but none of that relates to the MDU 2030 team which has been top 3 nationally since they started rankings in 6th grade.

That team was amazing, but they lasted exactly one year longer than the 2029 east team did before blowing up. Some MDU teams make it until HS, but they almost always blow up. Now it is 2030 east’s turn and they are already losing their 2 best players. More will probably leave after tryouts, it is just what happens. Why? Each team is different, but my points are part of the reasons why. Recruiting is as much keeping talent in house as it is pulling outside kids in, and MDU is terrible at it.

2030 light years better than the 2029 MDU team, not even comparable.

Now, but at one time the 2029 east team was top 10. They fell off, just like 2030 east now, so perfect comparison.

This is true. Finished #7 in 2023, won two LFTCs, made a ngll mid Atlantic final and two semis, and then fell off hard.

I heard kinda the same thing, that girls who were getting asked to tryout elsewhere were pushed out the door, and now half of that team from 2 years ago is playing for top 10 teams integrity, m&d, and heros.

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Anonymous wrote:Did something happen to cause them to leave?

I can’t speak for them specifically, but I know a few families that have left and it is usually bc the director and admin staff are useless and the teams almost always fall off. Most directors are plugged into the showcase circuits like BIC and American Select, she couldn’t care less about them. Most teams actively recruit talent to keep teams competitive, MDU usually doesn’t do anything unless a parent of coach decides to do something. Underperforming coaches are allowed to keep coaching, and underperforming teams almost never turn it around.

Not saying you are wrong but none of that relates to the MDU 2030 team which has been top 3 nationally since they started rankings in 6th grade.

That team was amazing, but they lasted exactly one year longer than the 2029 east team did before blowing up. Some MDU teams make it until HS, but they almost always blow up. Now it is 2030 east’s turn and they are already losing their 2 best players. More will probably leave after tryouts, it is just what happens. Why? Each team is different, but my points are part of the reasons why. Recruiting is as much keeping talent in house as it is pulling outside kids in, and MDU is terrible at it.

2030 light years better than the 2029 MDU team, not even comparable.

Now, but at one time the 2029 east team was top 10. They fell off, just like 2030 east now, so perfect comparison.

2030 much much better than 2029 ever was, you seem to be missing the point.

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

HG going to replace MDU in top 5 after this is over

Perhaps. But MDU encouraged their player to go ahead and leave if she was looking, so MDU may have talent coming. MDU midfielder is very good but there are definitely multiple better middies in Baltimore - already on my DD’s MnD black and on HG

Honestly, the director is such a spiteful dufus, she probably did tell her best players to go elsewhere, lol. But they don’t have anyone coming in, there isn’t anyone to bring in.

I wouldn’t have a lame duck player finish out the summer either, who cares? Time to move kids around and see who can feel void.

At best, it’s a distraction.

Yeah, except one of the two leaving wasn’t gone, just looking around as you should. Pushing her out the door is idiotic.

Not too long ago club tryouts were after tournament season was mostly over. Then they were pushed earlier and earlier as teams tried to be first to hold them so they could force girls to decide within 48 hours and prevent them from going to other clubs' tryouts. This combined with "open practices" has created a terrible atmosphere where girls getting ready to play with their team for the summer are leaving early, replacing girls from current teams etc. It is never going to go back to the way it was, but I wish it would. Even worse is when tryouts happen and girls are cut and they have 2 more tournaments with their team...

Agreed, tryouts should be in August like it was a decade ago

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

HG going to replace MDU in top 5 after this is over

Perhaps. But MDU encouraged their player to go ahead and leave if she was looking, so MDU may have talent coming. MDU midfielder is very good but there are definitely multiple better middies in Baltimore - already on my DD’s MnD black and on HG

Honestly, the director is such a spiteful dufus, she probably did tell her best players to go elsewhere, lol. But they don’t have anyone coming in, there isn’t anyone to bring in.

I wouldn’t have a lame duck player finish out the summer either, who cares? Time to move kids around and see who can feel void.

At best, it’s a distraction.

Yeah, except one of the two leaving wasn’t gone, just looking around as you should. Pushing her out the door is idiotic.

Not too long ago club tryouts were after tournament season was mostly over. Then they were pushed earlier and earlier as teams tried to be first to hold them so they could force girls to decide within 48 hours and prevent them from going to other clubs' tryouts. This combined with "open practices" has created a terrible atmosphere where girls getting ready to play with their team for the summer are leaving early, replacing girls from current teams etc. It is never going to go back to the way it was, but I wish it would. Even worse is when tryouts happen and girls are cut and they have 2 more tournaments with their team...

And yes the MDU club director is notorious for telling girls "don't come back" if they go to an open practice or are shopping around (not even have decided to officially leave the team), but does not actively try to get girls to replace them.

If she bounced people for going to open practices they’d down many more players than one

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Anonymous wrote:Did something happen to cause them to leave?

I can’t speak for them specifically, but I know a few families that have left and it is usually bc the director and admin staff are useless and the teams almost always fall off. Most directors are plugged into the showcase circuits like BIC and American Select, she couldn’t care less about them. Most teams actively recruit talent to keep teams competitive, MDU usually doesn’t do anything unless a parent of coach decides to do something. Underperforming coaches are allowed to keep coaching, and underperforming teams almost never turn it around.

Not saying you are wrong but none of that relates to the MDU 2030 team which has been top 3 nationally since they started rankings in 6th grade.

That team was amazing, but they lasted exactly one year longer than the 2029 east team did before blowing up. Some MDU teams make it until HS, but they almost always blow up. Now it is 2030 east’s turn and they are already losing their 2 best players. More will probably leave after tryouts, it is just what happens. Why? Each team is different, but my points are part of the reasons why. Recruiting is as much keeping talent in house as it is pulling outside kids in, and MDU is terrible at it.

2030 light years better than the 2029 MDU team, not even comparable.

Now, but at one time the 2029 east team was top 10. They fell off, just like 2030 east now, so perfect comparison.

2030 much much better than 2029 ever was, you seem to be missing the point.

That’s simply not true, you are missing the point. MDU east was #5 in first fall of rankings, finished at #7, then was #13 the next year, and #29 the next. MDU lasted until 8th grade to start breaking up, the 2029 team did it in 7th. Before the drop that team was winning major tournaments and competing with HG and M&D, and beating CM. Yes, the 2030 won a NGLL natty, but the 2029 team was very good too. Watch, the same trajectory for the 2030 east team, it just took longer because they stayed successful for longer.