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Anonymous wrote:DCST is Bue Red White, not Bue White Red

Which teams are in CCL?

blue and red.
White plays in WAGS for girls and I think NCSL for boys. The boys side also has a 4th team (black).

There is a CCL and CCL II. B teams aren't "IN" the top CCL

OK. I'll rephrase: Which teams are in CCL ... and CCL II?

That posters comment was kind of necessary with the talk about leagues because VPL allows B teams and top CCL doesn't

How is CCL handling the situation where Arlington, Loudoun, and McLean have their top teams in DA in some age groups. Do they still let the clubs' B teams in those age groups play in the top division of CCL?

Maybe those teams selected players not already on their CCL teams to play DA

Right--that's of course what those clubs did. I just wondered if CCL changed the membership requirements, because they originally required clubs to pledge that all their A teams for all age groups would play in CCL. The DA team will obviously be the A team for the clubs that have it. I had understood that PWSI and Bethesda withdrew from CCL because of the A team requirement after they got DA status. So is there a different rule for Arlington, Loudoun, and McLean?

Yes CCL allows that their clubs' top teams do not have to play in CCL if the club has a DA team.

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Anonymous wrote:Again let's look at the older age groups. All this little kid concern is rather dumb

Some of us have little kids.

I'm sure we all do. But people are worried about comparing little kids soccer when at end of the day none of that matters until U17/U19. All the great little kids and clubs that you're worried about? The better kids will be on a top team and the rest of them won't even be playing or on the same team. People are worried about the A team and what league does what hahhaa and who ranks what smh let the kids get play time have fun and develop. Worry about rankings when your kid is a sophomore in high school

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Anonymous wrote:Again let's look at the older age groups. All this little kid concern is rather dumb

Some of us have little kids.

I'm sure we all do. But people are worried about comparing little kids soccer when at end of the day none of that matters until U17/U19. All the great little kids and clubs that you're worried about? The better kids will be on a top team and the rest of them won't even be playing or on the same team. People are worried about the A team and what league does what hahhaa and who ranks what smh let the kids get play time have fun and develop. Worry about rankings when your kid is a sophomore in high school

We're not all parents of college prospects. We just want to know if we're going to get crushed by Arlington's A team or have a competitive game against their C team. At U11 and U12, it's not always clear. By U17/U19, you're either in an NCSL or EDP division, or you're in CCL/ECNL/DA/VPL with a pretty good idea of who you're facing.

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Anonymous wrote:Again let's look at the older age groups. All this little kid concern is rather dumb

Some of us have little kids.

I'm sure we all do. But people are worried about comparing little kids soccer when at end of the day none of that matters until U17/U19. All the great little kids and clubs that you're worried about? The better kids will be on a top team and the rest of them won't even be playing or on the same team. People are worried about the A team and what league does what hahhaa and who ranks what smh let the kids get play time have fun and develop. Worry about rankings when your kid is a sophomore in high school

I agree that no one should flip out about U9 team placement if their kid is improving, but why do you say that U17/19 is the only age group that matters? Id2 and the training centers are a big deal, and they start at U12 or U13. The youth national teams start at U14. There are, of course, a lot of late bloomers who don't stand out until U16 or so, but you need to be in a good training situation well before then if you want to keep getting better.

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Anonymous wrote:DCST is Bue Red White, not Bue White Red

Which teams are in CCL?

blue and red.
White plays in WAGS for girls and I think NCSL for boys. The boys side also has a 4th team (black).

There is a CCL and CCL II. B teams aren't "IN" the top CCL

OK. I'll rephrase: Which teams are in CCL ... and CCL II?

That posters comment was kind of necessary with the talk about leagues because VPL allows B teams and top CCL doesn't

How is CCL handling the situation where Arlington, Loudoun, and McLean have their top teams in DA in some age groups. Do they still let the clubs' B teams in those age groups play in the top division of CCL?

Maybe those teams selected players not already on their CCL teams to play DA

Right--that's of course what those clubs did. I just wondered if CCL changed the membership requirements, because they originally required clubs to pledge that all their A teams for all age groups would play in CCL. The DA team will obviously be the A team for the clubs that have it. I had understood that PWSI and Bethesda withdrew from CCL because of the A team requirement after they got DA status. So is there a different rule for Arlington, Loudoun, and McLean?

Yes CCL allows that their clubs' top teams do not have to play in CCL if the club has a DA team.

Yes. Their A team does not have to play in CCL. They can have their "B" team aka the "red team" still play in CCL. They get it around it by not renaming their former top team.

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Anonymous wrote:CCL has Two National Champions this weekend! Loudoun U16B and McLean U15B and three Finalists: Loudoun U17B McLean U19G and BRYC U14G.

Mclean U17s (former national championship team) lost in first round of state cup. Both number 1 and 2 seeds in U16s also lost in first round. Are these aberrations/flukes or did the age group change really shake up a lot of the formerly top teams?

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Anonymous wrote:CCL has Two National Champions this weekend! Loudoun U16B and McLean U15B and three Finalists: Loudoun U17B McLean U19G and BRYC U14G.

Mclean U17s (former national championship team) lost in first round of state cup. Both number 1 and 2 seeds in U16s also lost in first round. Are these aberrations/flukes or did the age group change really shake up a lot of the formerly top teams?

every season in CCL play my sons team beats 2 of the final 4 in the U17 state cup last year. They have already beaten one of those teams in CCL again this season. Last season they also tied the state cup winner in CCL play.

This season and last my sons team lost in the second round of last years state cup to the other 2 finalists, champion and runner up.

CCL teams dominate the state cup at the older age group. Seedings is how some of the ehhh teams are able to get further, much further.

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Anonymous wrote:CCL has Two National Champions this weekend! Loudoun U16B and McLean U15B and three Finalists: Loudoun U17B McLean U19G and BRYC U14G.

Mclean U17s (former national championship team) lost in first round of state cup. Both number 1 and 2 seeds in U16s also lost in first round. Are these aberrations/flukes or did the age group change really shake up a lot of the formerly top teams?

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Anonymous wrote:CCL has Two National Champions this weekend! Loudoun U16B and McLean U15B and three Finalists: Loudoun U17B McLean U19G and BRYC U14G.

Mclean U17s (former national championship team) lost in first round of state cup. Both number 1 and 2 seeds in U16s also lost in first round. Are these aberrations/flukes or did the age group change really shake up a lot of the formerly top teams?

every season in CCL play my sons team beats 2 of the final 4 in the U17 state cup last year. They have already beaten one of those teams in CCL again this season. Last season they also tied the state cup winner in CCL play.

This season and last my sons team lost in the second round of last years state cup to the other 2 finalists, champion and runner up.

CCL teams dominate the state cup at the older age group. Seedings is how some of the ehhh teams are able to get further, much further.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again let's look at the older age groups. All this little kid concern is rather dumb

Some of us have little kids.

I'm sure we all do. But people are worried about comparing little kids soccer when at end of the day none of that matters until U17/U19. All the great little kids and clubs that you're worried about? The better kids will be on a top team and the rest of them won't even be playing or on the same team. People are worried about the A team and what league does what hahhaa and who ranks what smh let the kids get play time have fun and develop. Worry about rankings when your kid is a sophomore in high school

We're not all parents of college prospects. We just want to know if we're going to get crushed by Arlington's A team or have a competitive game against their C team. At U11 and U12, it's not always clear. By U17/U19, you're either in an NCSL or EDP division, or you're in CCL/ECNL/DA/VPL with a pretty good idea of who you're facing.

Let's also not forget that statistics show the majority of kids quit the sport by age 13, so focusing on the "little kids" is entirely worthwhile if we are interested in improving their experience and keeping them in the sport longer. The elites make up a very small percentage of the overall participation, but they sure account for the majority of the hot air in this forum.

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Anonymous wrote:Again let's look at the older age groups. All this little kid concern is rather dumb

Some of us have little kids.

I'm sure we all do. But people are worried about comparing little kids soccer when at end of the day none of that matters until U17/U19. All the great little kids and clubs that you're worried about? The better kids will be on a top team and the rest of them won't even be playing or on the same team. People are worried about the A team and what league does what hahhaa and who ranks what smh let the kids get play time have fun and develop. Worry about rankings when your kid is a sophomore in high school

We're not all parents of college prospects. We just want to know if we're going to get crushed by Arlington's A team or have a competitive game against their C team. At U11 and U12, it's not always clear. By U17/U19, you're either in an NCSL or EDP division, or you're in CCL/ECNL/DA/VPL with a pretty good idea of who you're facing.

Let's also not forget that statistics show the majority of kids quit the sport by age 13, so focusing on the "little kids" is entirely worthwhile if we are interested in improving their experience and keeping them in the sport longer. The elites make up a very small percentage of the overall participation, but they sure account for the majority of the hot air in this forum.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again let's look at the older age groups. All this little kid concern is rather dumb

Some of us have little kids.

I'm sure we all do. But people are worried about comparing little kids soccer when at end of the day none of that matters until U17/U19. All the great little kids and clubs that you're worried about? The better kids will be on a top team and the rest of them won't even be playing or on the same team. People are worried about the A team and what league does what hahhaa and who ranks what smh let the kids get play time have fun and develop. Worry about rankings when your kid is a sophomore in high school

I agree that no one should flip out about U9 team placement if their kid is improving, but why do you say that U17/19 is the only age group that matters? Id2 and the training centers are a big deal, and they start at U12 or U13. The youth national teams start at U14. There are, of course, a lot of late bloomers who don't stand out until U16 or so, but you need to be in a good training situation well before then if you want to keep getting better.

Let's be honest. You have to have your connections in place by then . I have heard directly from ODP coaches that lament that many of the "top" players that come to them have horrible first touch these days. It's a feeder system. Coaches/clubs still monopolize the placement and push for their 'stars'. A really talented kid without that backing or parental suffers. It's the downfall of American soccer. It is a shame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again let's look at the older age groups. All this little kid concern is rather dumb

Some of us have little kids.

I'm sure we all do. But people are worried about comparing little kids soccer when at end of the day none of that matters until U17/U19. All the great little kids and clubs that you're worried about? The better kids will be on a top team and the rest of them won't even be playing or on the same team. People are worried about the A team and what league does what hahhaa and who ranks what smh let the kids get play time have fun and develop. Worry about rankings when your kid is a sophomore in high school

I agree that no one should flip out about U9 team placement if their kid is improving, but why do you say that U17/19 is the only age group that matters? Id2 and the training centers are a big deal, and they start at U12 or U13. The youth national teams start at U14. There are, of course, a lot of late bloomers who don't stand out until U16 or so, but you need to be in a good training situation well before then if you want to keep getting better.

Let's be honest. You have to have your connections in place by then . I have heard directly from ODP coaches that lament that many of the "top" players that come to them have horrible first touch these days. It's a feeder system. Coaches/clubs still monopolize the placement and push for their 'stars'. A really talented kid without that backing or parental suffers. It's the downfall of American soccer. It is a shame.

more than one way to the top:
http://www.vysa.com/coaches/925011.html

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CCL has Two National Champions this weekend! Loudoun U16B and McLean U15B and three Finalists: Loudoun U17B McLean U19G and BRYC U14G.

Mclean U17s (former national championship team) lost in first round of state cup. Both number 1 and 2 seeds in U16s also lost in first round. Are these aberrations/flukes or did the age group change really shake up a lot of the formerly top teams?

every season in CCL play my sons team beats 2 of the final 4 in the U17 state cup last year. They have already beaten one of those teams in CCL again this season. Last season they also tied the state cup winner in CCL play.

This season and last my sons team lost in the second round of last years state cup to the other 2 finalists, champion and runner up.

CCL teams dominate the state cup at the older age group. Seedings is how some of the ehhh teams are able to get further, much further.

Many teams play their CCL league matches much differently than they play a meaningful match like State Cup. CCL league results really only matter to a couple of clubs that play for the "title" each year, or the non-NOVA clubs that don't vary their rosters week to week.

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Anonymous wrote:CCL has Two National Champions this weekend! Loudoun U16B and McLean U15B and three Finalists: Loudoun U17B McLean U19G and BRYC U14G.

Mclean U17s (former national championship team) lost in first round of state cup. Both number 1 and 2 seeds in U16s also lost in first round. Are these aberrations/flukes or did the age group change really shake up a lot of the formerly top teams?

McLean's U17 team lost some of their top players to the Bethesda DA U16 team. If the roster for the team up on gotsoccer is accurate, it looks like McLean kept a large core group of the national championship team, with only a couple moving down to the 01 team. I imagine they'll rebound once they've had some more time together--their coach and many of the remaining players are very good.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again let's look at the older age groups. All this little kid concern is rather dumb

Some of us have little kids.

I'm sure we all do. But people are worried about comparing little kids soccer when at end of the day none of that matters until U17/U19. All the great little kids and clubs that you're worried about? The better kids will be on a top team and the rest of them won't even be playing or on the same team. People are worried about the A team and what league does what hahhaa and who ranks what smh let the kids get play time have fun and develop. Worry about rankings when your kid is a sophomore in high school

I agree that no one should flip out about U9 team placement if their kid is improving, but why do you say that U17/19 is the only age group that matters? Id2 and the training centers are a big deal, and they start at U12 or U13. The youth national teams start at U14. There are, of course, a lot of late bloomers who don't stand out until U16 or so, but you need to be in a good training situation well before then if you want to keep getting better.

Let's be honest. You have to have your connections in place by then . I have heard directly from ODP coaches that lament that many of the "top" players that come to them have horrible first touch these days. It's a feeder system. Coaches/clubs still monopolize the placement and push for their 'stars'. A really talented kid without that backing or parental suffers. It's the downfall of American soccer. It is a shame.

I don't know about Virginia, but very few of the really talented kids in Maryland do ODP--if they do, it's often only for a year or so. ODP mostly gets kids who feel like they are not getting good training (or enough training) at their club, or kids whose parents don't know much about the local soccer landscape and believe that ODP is still a pathway to the national team or D1. Its best days are long behind it.