Diversity Equity and Inclusion

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Anonymous wrote:Asians are often considered “white adjacent.”

I’m not sure how the success of black immigrants gets explained.

Black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean come from upper middle class and educated professionals, not the poor laborers and servants there. You racists always ignore the huge advancements of U.S. blacks since partial enforcement of civil rights. There has been a huge increase in bachelors, masters, and professional degrees and incomes and standards of living.

That can't be right. To hear the anti-racists tell it, nothing has gotten better for Black people since the Founding.

Of course things have gotten better, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t many challenges still. Things have also gotten better for women but they still are behind men in many ways, such as representation in government, and they still make less than men on average—82 cents for every dollar a man makes. So should we as a society stop striving for more equality because “things have gotten better”?

Strive as you wish for the magic “equality” that you cannot define. The sad fact is that our country is sliding away from equality as our educational standards are weakened by the woke who believe leveling will make us better when the opposite is true. Kids strong in humanities and weak in math and science cannot become adults who sustain our economy.

I know you love throwing out the word woke like it makes you cool or something, but your comment is dumb. Just because someone is woke (which you have no idea what that means) does not mean that we want to lower our educational standards. At the same time, the truth is, the world does not revolve around math and science. I work for a think tank. I need kids who write well - which is difficult to find b/c everyone is so focused on math and science. They can't think their way out of a paper bag but they can do math. Steve Jobs was a psychology major.

The word woke is commonly associated with folks who want a racial reckoning, which has ramped up in the last two years, as they’re obviously upset by the terrible historical injustices of slavery, and its legacy which affects many aspects of American society today. They also don’t like police brutality, because police killings disproportionately affect the black community based on their size of the population.

There are laudable goals to reduce racism and the things listed above.

Then there are questionable polices that are being implemented under amorphous equity goals.

These include things like ending AP classes as we know them, to allow more people to get in. It’s essentially watering down academic vigor in favor of a quota system. Then there are things like deeming things that aren’t racist as being racist. “Show your work” is not a racist thing. Conventional math is not racist. It’s either you know it or you don’t. In NY, 2/3rds of the Asian students were FARMS students. Yet, they represent a success story at the school. Ending race neutral entrance exams to a challenging school because that school comprises “too many” Asian or white students just seems counterintuitive and would ensure resentment. The Dems need to be tough and fair with what types of policies they implement or they will lose elections. I am a moderate dem and am getting fed up with being beaten over the head with “white fragility” and guilt based solutions to complex realities.

Except that no one was happy with the recently current state of Stuy, including and/or especially Asian students. It needed to be fixed. Whether this is the right fix, something needed to change, and this is a start. Paralysis solves no problems.

I want to be an astronaut on a space ship built by engineers who graduated from a school without grades, or even an entrance exam. It’s not about “showing your work” it’s about achieving some type of utopian balance where we are all rocket scientists and engineers. Sure, we may have been awarded artificially increased grades to get us through school, but we are all the same now and we are all engineers. Our planes may crash because they weren’t built to certain specs because it was too hard to do the math to get the thing to fly right, but we are all on the same page. That’s what’s important. No one feels bad. There is a perfect balance achieved and all is right. Even though people buy their rocket ships from other countries because they’re better built, we can say that our society is better.

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Anonymous wrote:Except that no one was happy with the recently current state of Stuy, including and/or especially Asian students. It needed to be fixed. Whether this is the right fix, something needed to change, and this is a start. Paralysis solves no problems.

Do you have a source for that assertion? Part of the reason Eric Adams received so much Asian support was due to his promise not to touch the SHSAT. Seems to go directly against your statement.

While on the subject of Stuy and DE&I, many of the most promising URMs pick up full ride scholarships to the elite private schools. There are a number of non profits that identify these up and coming URMs and groom them for entry into schools like Trinity, Exeter, and Spence.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/09/how-nonprofits-are-boosting-nycs-brightest-minority-students/

This is a great opportunity for URMs, and I applaud them for it. They help many, many URMs receive elite secondary educations which then help them enroll into elite universities. Great!

But you can't then turn around and bash the SHSAT for perpetuating the racial imbalance. Would you rather receive a full ride to $50,000 private schools and network with the rich? Or would you rather struggle with the poor immigrants?

Really, the quickest way to reduce the racial imbalance in the specialized schools would be to ban these private school scholarships for the URMs. It wouldn't completely fix the ratios, but they would at least look a lot better than they do now.

Instead, the brightest URMs get a private school scholarship pipeline, something not available to Asians. That helps skew the ratios at the specialized schools, and then the Asians get bashed for the skewed ratios.

I understand these scholarships aren't the only reason for the skewed ratios, but let's at least start by acknowledging that many of the best and brightest NYC URMs have better options. They don't really have a need to go to the specialized schools.

Then we can have a more nuanced conversation about whether the SHSAT really is the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians are often considered “white adjacent.”

I’m not sure how the success of black immigrants gets explained.

Black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean come from upper middle class and educated professionals, not the poor laborers and servants there. You racists always ignore the huge advancements of U.S. blacks since partial enforcement of civil rights. There has been a huge increase in bachelors, masters, and professional degrees and incomes and standards of living.

That can't be right. To hear the anti-racists tell it, nothing has gotten better for Black people since the Founding.

LOL, the woke justice warriors are taking a beating on this thread.

I know, right? DCUM skews liberal. Can you imagine what a conservative-leaning forum would be like?

If you think that social pressure is a critical element of the movement, then note that an anonymous forum does not lend itself to naming, shaming, and ostracizing detractors.

Are you talking about the silent majority who will vote against Democrats?

No. I was suggesting that an anonymous forum may not be the venue where tools like naming, shaming, and ostracizing people come into play, if one thinks that DEI proponents rely on such tools.

Which of course they do...

Trying to paint anyone who opposes any part of the woke agenda as a racist has been a standard tactic for years. People are simply becoming desensitized to it.

As a society we need shared values that we can all support. Policies should be colorblind and help and opportunities should be available to everyone regardless of their race.

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Trying to paint anyone who opposes any part of the woke agenda as a racist has been a standard tactic for years. People are simply becoming desensitized to it.

As a society we need shared values that we can all support. Policies should be colorblind and help and opportunities should be available to everyone regardless of their race.


We used to be considered a "melting pot." Now, the woke agenda is a "tossed salad."

People used to want to assimilate. Now, it seems to be that instead of integrating, we are placing an emphasis on segregating.

I personally like the 'melting pot" idea --blending.

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Trying to paint anyone who opposes any part of the woke agenda as a racist has been a standard tactic for years. People are simply becoming desensitized to it.

As a society we need shared values that we can all support. Policies should be colorblind and help and opportunities should be available to everyone regardless of their race.


We used to be considered a "melting pot." Now, the woke agenda is a "tossed salad."

People used to want to assimilate. Now, it seems to be that instead of integrating, we are placing an emphasis on segregating.

I personally like the 'melting pot" idea --blending.

Some policies do not need t one colorblind if specific group is struggling and face unique challenges that others group do not face.

Not sure why there is a lack of nuance on this subject. Oh wait... I know. The thought of a specific policy helping black people brings out the worst in people.

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Trying to paint anyone who opposes any part of the woke agenda as a racist has been a standard tactic for years. People are simply becoming desensitized to it.

As a society we need shared values that we can all support. Policies should be colorblind and help and opportunities should be available to everyone regardless of their race.


We used to be considered a "melting pot." Now, the woke agenda is a "tossed salad."

People used to want to assimilate. Now, it seems to be that instead of integrating, we are placing an emphasis on segregating.

I personally like the 'melting pot" idea --blending.

Some policies do not need t one colorblind if specific group is struggling and face unique challenges that others group do not face.

Not sure why there is a lack of nuance on this subject. Oh wait... I know. The thought of a specific policy helping black people brings out the worst in people.

Don’t call it DE&I then. Call it Black people aren’t as smart or as hard working and are more prone to violence and out of wedlock pregnancy than other races so we need to provide them assistance bill. Is that what you prefer?

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Trying to paint anyone who opposes any part of the woke agenda as a racist has been a standard tactic for years. People are simply becoming desensitized to it.

As a society we need shared values that we can all support. Policies should be colorblind and help and opportunities should be available to everyone regardless of their race.


We used to be considered a "melting pot." Now, the woke agenda is a "tossed salad."

People used to want to assimilate. Now, it seems to be that instead of integrating, we are placing an emphasis on segregating.

I personally like the 'melting pot" idea --blending.

Some policies do not need t one colorblind if specific group is struggling and face unique challenges that others group do not face.

Not sure why there is a lack of nuance on this subject. Oh wait... I know. The thought of a specific policy helping black people brings out the worst in people.

It's because you are giving preference based on race. That means you are excluding (aka discrimination) someone based on race. That would make supporters of these policies racists.

The bigger issue is that you are not addressing the core problem. And that goes back to your warped ideology, but I digress.

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Preference and privilege have always been based on race. Not only race, but all the other preference networks, especially class and religion, were also partly based on race. It’s hilarious that you all think this has ever been a merit-based society rather than a privilege-based society.

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Anonymous wrote:Preference and privilege have always been based on race. Not only race, but all the other preference networks, especially class and religion, were also partly based on race. It’s hilarious that you all think this has ever been a merit-based society rather than a privilege-based society.

It doesn't have to be one thing or the other. It can be - and is - a mix.

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Anonymous wrote:DE&I initiatives are just a cover for accepted norms by many in the black culture that actually hurt their very own progress. Other cultures have not accepted these norms and have succeeded because of it. It's pretty simple really.

Lol half of all Americans made less than $45,000. Most Americans regardless
of skin color are not successful and will never be successful.

So you define success only as financial?

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Trying to paint anyone who opposes any part of the woke agenda as a racist has been a standard tactic for years. People are simply becoming desensitized to it.

As a society we need shared values that we can all support. Policies should be colorblind and help and opportunities should be available to everyone regardless of their race.


We used to be considered a "melting pot." Now, the woke agenda is a "tossed salad."

People used to want to assimilate. Now, it seems to be that instead of integrating, we are placing an emphasis on segregating.

I personally like the 'melting pot" idea --blending.

Some policies do not need t one colorblind if specific group is struggling and face unique challenges that others group do not face.

Not sure why there is a lack of nuance on this subject. Oh wait... I know. The thought of a specific policy helping black people brings out the worst in people.

Don’t call it DE&I then. Call it Black people aren’t as smart or as hard working and are more prone to violence and out of wedlock pregnancy than other races so we need to provide them assistance bill. Is that what you prefer?

Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Preference and privilege have always been based on race. Not only race, but all the other preference networks, especially class and religion, were also partly based on race. It’s hilarious that you all think this has ever been a merit-based society rather than a privilege-based society.

It doesn't have to be one thing or the other. It can be - and is - a mix.

But it is offensive for all these lazy mediocre white people to pretend that blacks invented race-based preferences.

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"But it is offensive for all these lazy mediocre white people to pretend that blacks invented race-based preferences."

For the person who posted this, I am now starting to understand DE&I. As an average white person from the Midwest, blacks in cities like NYC and Washington, D.C. see more wealthy mediocre white people than I do. Blacks in those cities want a part of that wealth. I hear Michelle Obama denigrating wealthy white people on her book tour. This is the message blacks are hearing. You honestly don't believe that wealthy white people earned what they have through hard work and effort. So why should you even try to work hard?

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As a society we need shared values that we can all support. Policies should be colorblind and help and opportunities should be available to everyone regardless of their race.

I am tired of people like Pelosi saying "Our diversity is our strength."
No, Nancy. Our shared values is what makes us strong.
The focus should be on how we are alike - not different.

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Anonymous wrote:Preference and privilege have always been based on race. Not only race, but all the other preference networks, especially class and religion, were also partly based on race. It’s hilarious that you all think this has ever been a merit-based society rather than a privilege-based society.

It doesn't have to be one thing or the other. It can be - and is - a mix.

But it is offensive for all these lazy mediocre white people to pretend that blacks invented race-based preferences.

No. It is known that arrogant, supposedly liberal whites created race-based preferences as they think blacks needed the help because they are inferior, and in providing overt help would blindly secure their votes for years to come. You know what? It worked. You fell for it.