Refusing to do something scientifically proven is not equal to refusing to do something scientifically unproven, especially for already vaccinated people. Amoral is wanting people to change their behavior permanently with scientifically unproven methods for a disease that is less than flu level risk for even elderly people once they are vaccinated. I don't support permanently changing our lives to avoid viruses at levels of risk we easily tolerated in the past. If you haven't noticed, much of the people in this world who are vaccinated are done with COVID. You have the freedom to continue your own individual COVID war indefinitely, like those Japanese soldiers who continued fighting for 20+ years after WWII ended. |
Europe and Scandinavia can sit back a little now because their infection rate is so low. What about this is so difficult for you to understand? The US failed to vaccinate and still has comparatively high infection rates. And it’s child mortality rates are much higher than Scandinavia and the UK. Do you get it? They don’t have cases like we do, so they can relax. Whereas in the US our case counts are as high as ever because of stupid people who don’t vax or mask (or test!) so we still need to take all of these precautions. Why is this so hard for you? At least you aren’t saying covid is less deadly to children than the flu anymore and have moved on to car accidents and drownings. Yay? |
Us too. I wanted to sign my kids up, but I need a better understanding of how APS plans to ensure my kids aren’t excluded from school for days because some other kid they weren’t exposed to threw a positive. Because even if only one of them gets tagged by the algorithm, the other one isn’t allowed to go to school either until their sibling gets a negative test. |
x1 million |
The vaccination rate in the beltway area is sky high. Cases are super low too - the case rate average per 100K in Arlington 20, Fairfax 17 (US as a whole is 47) whereas the UK is 50. Hospital utilization is fine in the beltway too. The beltway is fine. Maybe you're saying we have to punish our area because people in rural Arkansas aren't getting vaccinated? If not, what are your off ramps then? You obviously think the UK approach is not right (even though they had delta much earlier than us). Is your approach Zero COVID like in Australia, New Zealand or China? COVID is less deadly to healthy children than the flu. Absolutely. |
You're wasting your time. These people don't want this pandemic to end ever. Their entire purpose in life is virus mitigation. |
Remember all of the scientists who predicted doom and gloom for freedom day in the UK in July, ending all COVID restrictions there? 200K cases per day was one prediction by the famous Imperial college modelor Neil Ferguson. The UK is at 33K and that's after delta. We're at a lower case rate in this area and sky high vaccination rate and a vocal tiny group of parents here wants to continue on with mitigation measures indefinitely. Now, it's vaccination for kids under 12. Once that occurs, they'll move the goal posts again. This asymptomatic testing will never end if these parents have their way. |
Pretty sad that a kindergartner's highlight of their school day was getting a sticker for a COVID test. |
We all want it to end. Some of us are facing reality and know that it’s not quite over yet. Vaccinate, mask, test. It’s not that hard. |
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Covid has killed nearly twice as many kids in the past year as the flu has in any year over the past twenty, and has killed nearly 10x as many kids as the flu has in some of the last 20 years. So you can try to wave your hands around it with your “oh it’s less deadly to HEALTHY children” tap dancing but the simple truth is that you are wrong and that dicking around over precautions and safety caused Covid child mortality numbers to shoot up in the last six months and your old flu comparative isn’t applicable anymore. Nice job you.
So on one hand you say our numbers in nova are low compared to the south where folks aren’t wearing masks or getting vaxxed and in another post you (you appear to be the same poster) are saying that soon kids shouldn’t have to wear masks at school anymore and btw masks don’t even work. So excuse my confusion over what your endgame is here when it seems like if government officials would just go along you would be anti-test and anti mask in schools (because I guess spread shouldn’t matter if adults are vaxxed). That’s not what the CDC is saying, but go off, my dude. |
As someone whose family is all fully vaccinated and wears masks, and has tested when testing has been indicated, we are still doing our part regardless of a poorly organized, poorly communicated, poorly implemented voluntary random school testing program in a system with contradictory messaging, multiple interpretations of its policy, varying procedures across schools despite its own policy, and its inability to identify, explain, and communicate (1) the rationale behind their established policies and procedures or (2) what purpose the testing is actually serving; how the test results and Qualtrics survey data is being used, if it's being used; and whether 20% of the student body is sufficiently effective for fulfilling the purposes of the program. If it were all that critical, APS would be requiring the qualtrics survey (which has its own significant flaws and issues) and everyone would opt-in to the random testing by virtue of enrolling in in-person school. Until the policies and procedures and value and implications of those policies and procedures are clearly articulated and properly implemented by the school administrations, I am not compelled to opt-in for random testing. |
+100 |
The flu comparison is still more than applicable. Kids with significant comorobidities are at risk of COVID. You have the UK, where there are no masks in school and their health commission didn't recommend vaccinating kids under 16 because the risk to kids is so low. May COVID works differently in Europe than in the US? The South's rates are high because they're not vaccinated, not because they're not masking. Compare Northern Virginia (no mask mandate) to DC and Montgomery County (mask mandates). Any statistically significant case difference? |
It's actually over now, with a highly vaccinated local population. These people's ending is no COVID cases, which is impossible for an endemic virus. |
You can't use these measures as strict comparisons. Regardless of mask mandates, most people I see out and about in stores and public places like church are still wearing masks. This seems to be a more voluntary people than in other places that need mandates to get them to wear masks. |