Cheating Scandal Triggering TJ Change

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

No one had the answers. "All evidence" you just made up is what you are relying on. In the TJ lawsuit, FCPS didn't assert there was any cheating. If there was any chance this alleged cheating was true FCPS would be pursuing it. This is just more sour grapes from parents like you trying to feel better about the fact your darling Larlo didn't doing well enough on the test to get to the semi-final round. By your logic, the SAT scores for the class of 2024 will be the lowest ever since they aren't that bright and they won't be able to buy the answers to the SAT.

There are over 6k comments on reditt with kids discussing Saturday's SAT exam questions.

SAT is a cheating scandal. Kids now know the questions as they shared on reditt. Remove SAT, remove teacher recommendations for college just like we did at TJ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

I know and prep these days is required for anyone serious about securing a seat at TJ!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

No one had the answers. "All evidence" you just made up is what you are relying on. In the TJ lawsuit, FCPS didn't assert there was any cheating. If there was any chance this alleged cheating was true FCPS would be pursuing it. This is just more sour grapes from parents like you trying to feel better about the fact your darling Larlo didn't doing well enough on the test to get to the semi-final round. By your logic, the SAT scores for the class of 2024 will be the lowest ever since they aren't that bright and they won't be able to buy the answers to the SAT.

There are over 6k comments on reditt with kids discussing Saturday's SAT exam questions.

And those same questions will not be on the next SAT so does you no good. You are basically saying buying an SAT prep book is "buying the test." Go ahead and buy your Larlo an SAT prep book from Barron's and see if it gets them into Harvard. lol

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

I know and prep these days is required for anyone serious about securing a seat at TJ!

What exactly do you consider "prep?" Do you mean studying? Or is your definition of prep limited to paying for a class?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

I know and prep these days is required for anyone serious about securing a seat at TJ!

What exactly do you consider "prep?" Do you mean studying? Or is your definition of prep limited to paying for a class?

The $5k-10k of outside enrichment classes that most of the admitted kids take.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

No one had the answers. "All evidence" you just made up is what you are relying on. In the TJ lawsuit, FCPS didn't assert there was any cheating. If there was any chance this alleged cheating was true FCPS would be pursuing it. This is just more sour grapes from parents like you trying to feel better about the fact your darling Larlo didn't doing well enough on the test to get to the semi-final round. By your logic, the SAT scores for the class of 2024 will be the lowest ever since they aren't that bright and they won't be able to buy the answers to the SAT.

There are over 6k comments on reditt with kids discussing Saturday's SAT exam questions.

And those same questions will not be on the next SAT so does you no good. You are basically saying buying an SAT prep book is "buying the test." Go ahead and buy your Larlo an SAT prep book from Barron's and see if it gets them into Harvard. lol

Am I the only one who laughs out loud whenever this same doofus keeps referring to "Larlo", as if that's a thing that people name their kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

No one had the answers. "All evidence" you just made up is what you are relying on. In the TJ lawsuit, FCPS didn't assert there was any cheating. If there was any chance this alleged cheating was true FCPS would be pursuing it. This is just more sour grapes from parents like you trying to feel better about the fact your darling Larlo didn't doing well enough on the test to get to the semi-final round. By your logic, the SAT scores for the class of 2024 will be the lowest ever since they aren't that bright and they won't be able to buy the answers to the SAT.

There are over 6k comments on reditt with kids discussing Saturday's SAT exam questions.

And those same questions will not be on the next SAT so does you no good. You are basically saying buying an SAT prep book is "buying the test." Go ahead and buy your Larlo an SAT prep book from Barron's and see if it gets them into Harvard. lol

Am I the only one who laughs out loud whenever this same doofus keeps referring to "Larlo", as if that's a thing that people name their kids?

That always cracks me up too. Great way to signal yourself as someone who is out of touch and has no idea what they are talking about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

No one had the answers. "All evidence" you just made up is what you are relying on. In the TJ lawsuit, FCPS didn't assert there was any cheating. If there was any chance this alleged cheating was true FCPS would be pursuing it. This is just more sour grapes from parents like you trying to feel better about the fact your darling Larlo didn't doing well enough on the test to get to the semi-final round. By your logic, the SAT scores for the class of 2024 will be the lowest ever since they aren't that bright and they won't be able to buy the answers to the SAT.

There are over 6k comments on reditt with kids discussing Saturday's SAT exam questions.

And those same questions will not be on the next SAT so does you no good. You are basically saying buying an SAT prep book is "buying the test." Go ahead and buy your Larlo an SAT prep book from Barron's and see if it gets them into Harvard. lol

Am I the only one who laughs out loud whenever this same doofus keeps referring to "Larlo", as if that's a thing that people name their kids?

That always cracks me up too. Great way to signal yourself as someone who is out of touch and has no idea what they are talking about.

It seemed to be more of a common thing a dozen years ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

I know but let's be honest they also would've had no chance at admission without those prep classes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

I know but let's be honest they also would've had no chance at admission without those prep classes.

It does raise the bar and makes a resource more scarce for those who can least afford it and to effectively require private prep to unlock opportunities from a public school does seem wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

No one had the answers. "All evidence" you just made up is what you are relying on. In the TJ lawsuit, FCPS didn't assert there was any cheating. If there was any chance this alleged cheating was true FCPS would be pursuing it. This is just more sour grapes from parents like you trying to feel better about the fact your darling Larlo didn't doing well enough on the test to get to the semi-final round. By your logic, the SAT scores for the class of 2024 will be the lowest ever since they aren't that bright and they won't be able to buy the answers to the SAT.

There are over 6k comments on reditt with kids discussing Saturday's SAT exam questions.

And those same questions will not be on the next SAT so does you no good. You are basically saying buying an SAT prep book is "buying the test." Go ahead and buy your Larlo an SAT prep book from Barron's and see if it gets them into Harvard. lol

Am I the only one who laughs out loud whenever this same doofus keeps referring to "Larlo", as if that's a thing that people name their kids?

That always cracks me up too. Great way to signal yourself as someone who is out of touch and has no idea what they are talking about.

It seemed to be more of a common thing a dozen years ago.

.....where? I've been alive for a lot more than a dozen years and not once have I ever heard of a child named "Larlo". Or for that matter, an adult who was named "Larlo" as a child and still is now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

They teach "on" how to solve the types of problems that you see on the Quant-Q. The entire point of the Quant-Q is to evaluate students' ability to solve problems that they've never seen before. They're not math problems, they're more like math puzzles. To show kids how to do each type of puzzle before the exam completely defeats the purpose of the exam. And remember, that exam was graded on a curve, so one student's artificially inflated score impacted other students' ability to be selected as semifinalists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

I know but let's be honest they also would've had no chance at admission without those prep classes.

It does raise the bar and makes a resource more scarce for those who can least afford it and to effectively require private prep to unlock opportunities from a public school does seem wrong.

Here we go again - this argument always circles back to travel league sports, private musical instruments lessons, etc. Basically, anything that has a tryout is a scarce resource and any practice you pay for is therefor "prep."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the kids there aren't even elite for the most part they simply purchased many expensive prep lessons where they were coached and given answers. So I have to agree with the PP.

They also mostly had straight As with a near 4.0 GPA average. Test prep was a part of it, and there is some privilege that was necessary for that.

But they were also near universally good and hardworking students. Test prep alone wouldn’t get you into TJ. Stop with the strawman.

That test prep is the real difference maker is such a myth. Brilliant, hard-working kids get in to TJ. Average kids that take prep classes do not. That has always been the case until this year.

Except when the fakes make it clear that it is the difference-maker. Curie alone accounts for over 30% of those who got admitted and that's just one place. This whole thread was about people buying the answers. All the evidence indicates otherwise and the majority of parents whose kids are getting in seem to agree or they wouldn't be spending so much on tutors, aops, rsm and test prep.

My kids went to TJ, they did prep, the prep center didn't hand them any answers to them, they only teach on how to solve problems. Don't troll on fake news.

I know but let's be honest they also would've had no chance at admission without those prep classes.

First, I dispute how much a prep class helps. But I will admit my kids would not have made the golf team without all those lessons I paid for and taking them to play golf regularly.