Virginia to open up in limited capacity next Friday!

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Anonymous wrote:America used to be a country of hard workers and people who could get through tough times and be better for it. Now people can't handle a few weeks at home because "my eyebrows!", "I'm tired of it!"

God help us if we are ever truly tested in a way that requires real sacrifice. We are a bunch of babies. And an embarrassment.

Oh please. This is the first time in history that people have been asked to completely shut down society for a virus that killed so relatively few. The idea that in the past people would have stayed shut in their houses to prevent getting what for most is a flu like disease is laughable.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s face it. As usual, poor people in America get the shaft. My husband works in big tech. They are estimating only 30% of their global employees will be back in an office by October.
My wealthy SAHM friends all plan to continue to stay at home during the summer. All have cancelled vacation plans. All are either using delivery to get groceries or going at odd hours.
Who is really at risk? Poor people who work in crowded places that can’t be protected and who have crappy or no health care.
There will be people who take dumb risks because they’re either young and unlikely to get really sick (which is fine as long as they don’t pass it on...) or because they don’t believe the risks are real. And we we will see how that plays out.
But most of the wealthy and educated people will sit back in their cushy homes and watch and wait.

Yep. Capital One just announced that 40k of its 50k employees will be WFH until at least Labor Day and when it's time to come back into the office, they'll get 6 weeks notice (I assume this is all of finance/acct/legal/strategy/IT -- NOT the bank tellers who have to be at the branches eventually). There are biglaw whispers that no one is in the office again until after Labor Day (meaning attorneys -- no clue what they'll do with staff, probably lay some more off since the aren't doing much at home); if biglaw is WFH until Labor Day, surely investment banking/Wall Street will be as well. SAHMs can keep SAHM-ing. White collar professionals can either get grocery delivered or calendar themselves an outlook entry to go to the store or Target or Home Depot or wherever they need at 10 am or 1 pm or whenever it's empty in their area bc they don't have the type of job where anyone is getting after them for stepping away for an hour mid day for an errand. These groups can wait it out for months if needed.

It's the "regular" people who will be forced back to work too soon because states are reopening (not so much Va but other places) and then because they're working, their options will be stopping by stores at 5 pm or on weekends -- when they are most crowded.

If this doesn't teach kids to go to college and then get the high end JDs/MBAs/engineering and go higher end white collar, IDK what will.

I agree this describes almost everyone I know except physicians. However my husband had to take a 20% pay cut as I’ve heard many others have. I know he’s lucky to still have his job. They are venture backed though and will run out of money in September if they can’t raise more capital by then (unlikely.)

Really? What industry is he in? I haven’t heard of anyone getting a pay cut that large yet.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s face it. As usual, poor people in America get the shaft. My husband works in big tech. They are estimating only 30% of their global employees will be back in an office by October.
My wealthy SAHM friends all plan to continue to stay at home during the summer. All have cancelled vacation plans. All are either using delivery to get groceries or going at odd hours.
Who is really at risk? Poor people who work in crowded places that can’t be protected and who have crappy or no health care.
There will be people who take dumb risks because they’re either young and unlikely to get really sick (which is fine as long as they don’t pass it on...) or because they don’t believe the risks are real. And we we will see how that plays out.
But most of the wealthy and educated people will sit back in their cushy homes and watch and wait.

Yep. Capital One just announced that 40k of its 50k employees will be WFH until at least Labor Day and when it's time to come back into the office, they'll get 6 weeks notice (I assume this is all of finance/acct/legal/strategy/IT -- NOT the bank tellers who have to be at the branches eventually). There are biglaw whispers that no one is in the office again until after Labor Day (meaning attorneys -- no clue what they'll do with staff, probably lay some more off since the aren't doing much at home); if biglaw is WFH until Labor Day, surely investment banking/Wall Street will be as well. SAHMs can keep SAHM-ing. White collar professionals can either get grocery delivered or calendar themselves an outlook entry to go to the store or Target or Home Depot or wherever they need at 10 am or 1 pm or whenever it's empty in their area bc they don't have the type of job where anyone is getting after them for stepping away for an hour mid day for an errand. These groups can wait it out for months if needed.

It's the "regular" people who will be forced back to work too soon because states are reopening (not so much Va but other places) and then because they're working, their options will be stopping by stores at 5 pm or on weekends -- when they are most crowded.

If this doesn't teach kids to go to college and then get the high end JDs/MBAs/engineering and go higher end white collar, IDK what will.

I agree this describes almost everyone I know except physicians. However my husband had to take a 20% pay cut as I’ve heard many others have. I know he’s lucky to still have his job. They are venture backed though and will run out of money in September if they can’t raise more capital by then (unlikely.)

Really? What industry is he in? I haven’t heard of anyone getting a pay cut that large yet.

I also had my pay cut 20% a month ago. Several hundred colleagues were laid off for 16 weeks. I'm in sales.

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Anonymous wrote:It will be interesting to see what happens to prices for services. My bet is that expensive haircut and color is going to at least $100 or more expensive than before.

But who would be able to afford it? My guess is prices will drop in a desperate attempt to stay in business

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s face it. As usual, poor people in America get the shaft. My husband works in big tech. They are estimating only 30% of their global employees will be back in an office by October.
My wealthy SAHM friends all plan to continue to stay at home during the summer. All have cancelled vacation plans. All are either using delivery to get groceries or going at odd hours.
Who is really at risk? Poor people who work in crowded places that can’t be protected and who have crappy or no health care.
There will be people who take dumb risks because they’re either young and unlikely to get really sick (which is fine as long as they don’t pass it on...) or because they don’t believe the risks are real. And we we will see how that plays out.
But most of the wealthy and educated people will sit back in their cushy homes and watch and wait.

Yep. Capital One just announced that 40k of its 50k employees will be WFH until at least Labor Day and when it's time to come back into the office, they'll get 6 weeks notice (I assume this is all of finance/acct/legal/strategy/IT -- NOT the bank tellers who have to be at the branches eventually). There are biglaw whispers that no one is in the office again until after Labor Day (meaning attorneys -- no clue what they'll do with staff, probably lay some more off since the aren't doing much at home); if biglaw is WFH until Labor Day, surely investment banking/Wall Street will be as well. SAHMs can keep SAHM-ing. White collar professionals can either get grocery delivered or calendar themselves an outlook entry to go to the store or Target or Home Depot or wherever they need at 10 am or 1 pm or whenever it's empty in their area bc they don't have the type of job where anyone is getting after them for stepping away for an hour mid day for an errand. These groups can wait it out for months if needed.

It's the "regular" people who will be forced back to work too soon because states are reopening (not so much Va but other places) and then because they're working, their options will be stopping by stores at 5 pm or on weekends -- when they are most crowded.

If this doesn't teach kids to go to college and then get the high end JDs/MBAs/engineering and go higher end white collar, IDK what will.

I agree this describes almost everyone I know except physicians. However my husband had to take a 20% pay cut as I’ve heard many others have. I know he’s lucky to still have his job. They are venture backed though and will run out of money in September if they can’t raise more capital by then (unlikely.)

Really? What industry is he in? I haven’t heard of anyone getting a pay cut that large yet.

You haven't heard of all the people who received a 100 percent paycut? You must be incredibly flexible to be able to stick your whole head up your ass.

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Anonymous wrote:Very confused as to why anyone is considering any of these openings when the Trump Admin is predicting 3k deaths a day which will bring us back to where we were in mid-March very quickly.

They predicted 2.2 million deaths in the beginning. People aren’t buying their BS models anymore.

+1. We’re two weeks behind Italy... we’re 8 days behind Italy...

The 2.2 million was a projection based on not taking any mitigation measures-- no shut down, no social distancing, no telework or tele school, no additional hygiene practices.

THIS. It baffles me how people just don’t seem to get this. We shut things down in early March so that we would not get the 2.2 million projected deaths and now that we didn’t, we’re hearing “oh COVID 19 is not that bad, why did we shut down”? This lack of critical thinking baffles me. Is this a reflection of the USVeducation system?

The "Oh Covid 19 is not that bad" is coming from the fact that it kills less than 1% of people who are infected by it. Yes, those of us who are pushing for things to reopen, fully realize that the numbers would be much higher if it weren't for the shutdown, but the % of fatalities would still be very small. You're thinking in terms of numbers, we are thinking in terms of percentages. To us, a virus that kills such a small percentage of people is not worth turning our society into something that falls in the range of a Great Depression or Zombie Apocalypse.

How many people would have been killed this year if we didn’t lock down?

The virus has been in the states since December, people weren’t dropping like flies then up until March.

Where is the proof that social distancing DID work?

The curve flattening?

How many people do you think will die from covid if we open up now and no longer social distance at all?

How bad do you think the economy will get if we continue to keep things shut down?

Very bad. But again how many people do you think will die? If we are weighing options we need to have full picture.

I don't know specifically how many people, but I know it's less than 1% that are infected, and that's not worth the economic cost.

But you need some idea of #s to make an educated decision. Say 3 million (.1% of US population) die. Are they not worth the economic cost?

No you don’t. Less than 1% is less than 1%. Whether that number is 500 or 5 million. You don’t destroy the world for 99% of society to say 1%. Especially when most of that 1% has one foot in the grave.

You don’t see any difference in 500 vs. 5 million people dying?

We didn’t need to destroy the economy. Universal healthcare and UBI would have helped tremendously.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s face it. As usual, poor people in America get the shaft. My husband works in big tech. They are estimating only 30% of their global employees will be back in an office by October.
My wealthy SAHM friends all plan to continue to stay at home during the summer. All have cancelled vacation plans. All are either using delivery to get groceries or going at odd hours.
Who is really at risk? Poor people who work in crowded places that can’t be protected and who have crappy or no health care.
There will be people who take dumb risks because they’re either young and unlikely to get really sick (which is fine as long as they don’t pass it on...) or because they don’t believe the risks are real. And we we will see how that plays out.
But most of the wealthy and educated people will sit back in their cushy homes and watch and wait.

Yep. Capital One just announced that 40k of its 50k employees will be WFH until at least Labor Day and when it's time to come back into the office, they'll get 6 weeks notice (I assume this is all of finance/acct/legal/strategy/IT -- NOT the bank tellers who have to be at the branches eventually). There are biglaw whispers that no one is in the office again until after Labor Day (meaning attorneys -- no clue what they'll do with staff, probably lay some more off since the aren't doing much at home); if biglaw is WFH until Labor Day, surely investment banking/Wall Street will be as well. SAHMs can keep SAHM-ing. White collar professionals can either get grocery delivered or calendar themselves an outlook entry to go to the store or Target or Home Depot or wherever they need at 10 am or 1 pm or whenever it's empty in their area bc they don't have the type of job where anyone is getting after them for stepping away for an hour mid day for an errand. These groups can wait it out for months if needed.

It's the "regular" people who will be forced back to work too soon because states are reopening (not so much Va but other places) and then because they're working, their options will be stopping by stores at 5 pm or on weekends -- when they are most crowded.

If this doesn't teach kids to go to college and then get the high end JDs/MBAs/engineering and go higher end white collar, IDK what will.

I agree this describes almost everyone I know except physicians. However my husband had to take a 20% pay cut as I’ve heard many others have. I know he’s lucky to still have his job. They are venture backed though and will run out of money in September if they can’t raise more capital by then (unlikely.)

Really? What industry is he in? I haven’t heard of anyone getting a pay cut that large yet.

Seriously?? Go to the money or jobs forums. A LOT of people have taken 20% pay cuts, no planned raises or bonuses, decrease or ending of retirement matching by the company.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s face it. As usual, poor people in America get the shaft. My husband works in big tech. They are estimating only 30% of their global employees will be back in an office by October.
My wealthy SAHM friends all plan to continue to stay at home during the summer. All have cancelled vacation plans. All are either using delivery to get groceries or going at odd hours.
Who is really at risk? Poor people who work in crowded places that can’t be protected and who have crappy or no health care.
There will be people who take dumb risks because they’re either young and unlikely to get really sick (which is fine as long as they don’t pass it on...) or because they don’t believe the risks are real. And we we will see how that plays out.
But most of the wealthy and educated people will sit back in their cushy homes and watch and wait.

Yep. Capital One just announced that 40k of its 50k employees will be WFH until at least Labor Day and when it's time to come back into the office, they'll get 6 weeks notice (I assume this is all of finance/acct/legal/strategy/IT -- NOT the bank tellers who have to be at the branches eventually). There are biglaw whispers that no one is in the office again until after Labor Day (meaning attorneys -- no clue what they'll do with staff, probably lay some more off since the aren't doing much at home); if biglaw is WFH until Labor Day, surely investment banking/Wall Street will be as well. SAHMs can keep SAHM-ing. White collar professionals can either get grocery delivered or calendar themselves an outlook entry to go to the store or Target or Home Depot or wherever they need at 10 am or 1 pm or whenever it's empty in their area bc they don't have the type of job where anyone is getting after them for stepping away for an hour mid day for an errand. These groups can wait it out for months if needed.

It's the "regular" people who will be forced back to work too soon because states are reopening (not so much Va but other places) and then because they're working, their options will be stopping by stores at 5 pm or on weekends -- when they are most crowded.

If this doesn't teach kids to go to college and then get the high end JDs/MBAs/engineering and go higher end white collar, IDK what will.

I agree this describes almost everyone I know except physicians. However my husband had to take a 20% pay cut as I’ve heard many others have. I know he’s lucky to still have his job. They are venture backed though and will run out of money in September if they can’t raise more capital by then (unlikely.)

Really? What industry is he in? I haven’t heard of anyone getting a pay cut that large yet.

Seriously?? Go to the money or jobs forums. A LOT of people have taken 20% pay cuts, no planned raises or bonuses, decrease or ending of retirement matching by the company.

I wish I could understand what compels these people to not believe the economic hardship going on? Are they just that out of touch in their own bubble?

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Oh please. This is the first time in history that people have been asked to completely shut down society for a virus that killed so relatively few

It is relatively few compared to something like the plague or AIDS, but if you think about the fact that the deaths have occurred over a period of less than 2 months, it doesn't seem like a few any more.

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Give what a rest? This is a fact. If you hate facts, that's on you.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/23/politics/gyms-reope...rus-trump-phase-one/index.html

They are welcome to open but I am certainly not going. My fear is that my 72 year old dad is a senior gym rat of sorts, but I am going to press hard for him not to go back for a while.

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+1 to the pay cut posts. I'm a lawyer and took a 15% cut. Many firms have publicly announced 20% cuts.

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Anonymous wrote:Very confused as to why anyone is considering any of these openings when the Trump Admin is predicting 3k deaths a day which will bring us back to where we were in mid-March very quickly.

They predicted 2.2 million deaths in the beginning. People aren’t buying their BS models anymore.

+1. We’re two weeks behind Italy... we’re 8 days behind Italy...

The 2.2 million was a projection based on not taking any mitigation measures-- no shut down, no social distancing, no telework or tele school, no additional hygiene practices.

THIS. It baffles me how people just don’t seem to get this. We shut things down in early March so that we would not get the 2.2 million projected deaths and now that we didn’t, we’re hearing “oh COVID 19 is not that bad, why did we shut down”? This lack of critical thinking baffles me. Is this a reflection of the USVeducation system?

The "Oh Covid 19 is not that bad" is coming from the fact that it kills less than 1% of people who are infected by it. Yes, those of us who are pushing for things to reopen, fully realize that the numbers would be much higher if it weren't for the shutdown, but the % of fatalities would still be very small. You're thinking in terms of numbers, we are thinking in terms of percentages. To us, a virus that kills such a small percentage of people is not worth turning our society into something that falls in the range of a Great Depression or Zombie Apocalypse.

How many people would have been killed this year if we didn’t lock down?

The virus has been in the states since December, people weren’t dropping like flies then up until March.

Where is the proof that social distancing DID work?

The curve flattening?

How many people do you think will die from covid if we open up now and no longer social distance at all?

How bad do you think the economy will get if we continue to keep things shut down?

Very bad. But again how many people do you think will die? If we are weighing options we need to have full picture.

I don't know specifically how many people, but I know it's less than 1% that are infected, and that's not worth the economic cost.

But you need some idea of #s to make an educated decision. Say 3 million (.1% of US population) die. Are they not worth the economic cost?

No you don’t. Less than 1% is less than 1%. Whether that number is 500 or 5 million. You don’t destroy the world for 99% of society to say 1%. Especially when most of that 1% has one foot in the grave.

You don’t see any difference in 500 vs. 5 million people dying?

We didn’t need to destroy the economy. Universal healthcare and UBI would have helped tremendously.

Right because congress was going to be able to draft, pass, negotiate, and implement universal healthcare and UBI immediately upon evidence of a pandemic. Give me a break. I'm all for thinking outside the box but these are long term policy prescriptions and are not actual commentary on how we did or did no react to the virus.

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You realize that your friend Trump would have been running said universal healthcare system? That's what you want?

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Anonymous wrote:It will be interesting to see what happens to prices for services. My bet is that expensive haircut and color is going to at least $100 or more expensive than before.

But who would be able to afford it? My guess is prices will drop in a desperate attempt to stay in business

Do not go places that drop prices due to fewer appointments being available, they do not have their staff’s well being in mind. It’s predatory.

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Anonymous wrote:Very confused as to why anyone is considering any of these openings when the Trump Admin is predicting 3k deaths a day which will bring us back to where we were in mid-March very quickly.

They predicted 2.2 million deaths in the beginning. People aren’t buying their BS models anymore.

+1. We’re two weeks behind Italy... we’re 8 days behind Italy...

The 2.2 million was a projection based on not taking any mitigation measures-- no shut down, no social distancing, no telework or tele school, no additional hygiene practices.

THIS. It baffles me how people just don’t seem to get this. We shut things down in early March so that we would not get the 2.2 million projected deaths and now that we didn’t, we’re hearing “oh COVID 19 is not that bad, why did we shut down”? This lack of critical thinking baffles me. Is this a reflection of the USVeducation system?

The "Oh Covid 19 is not that bad" is coming from the fact that it kills less than 1% of people who are infected by it. Yes, those of us who are pushing for things to reopen, fully realize that the numbers would be much higher if it weren't for the shutdown, but the % of fatalities would still be very small. You're thinking in terms of numbers, we are thinking in terms of percentages. To us, a virus that kills such a small percentage of people is not worth turning our society into something that falls in the range of a Great Depression or Zombie Apocalypse.

How many people would have been killed this year if we didn’t lock down?

The virus has been in the states since December, people weren’t dropping like flies then up until March.

Where is the proof that social distancing DID work?

The curve flattening?

How many people do you think will die from covid if we open up now and no longer social distance at all?

How bad do you think the economy will get if we continue to keep things shut down?

Very bad. But again how many people do you think will die? If we are weighing options we need to have full picture.

I don't know specifically how many people, but I know it's less than 1% that are infected, and that's not worth the economic cost.

But you need some idea of #s to make an educated decision. Say 3 million (.1% of US population) die. Are they not worth the economic cost?

No you don’t. Less than 1% is less than 1%. Whether that number is 500 or 5 million. You don’t destroy the world for 99% of society to say 1%. Especially when most of that 1% has one foot in the grave.

You don’t see any difference in 500 vs. 5 million people dying?

We didn’t need to destroy the economy. Universal healthcare and UBI would have helped tremendously.

All economies will be destroyed when this is all over. This far surpasses what can be handled by universal healthcare and UBI. Money doesn’t grow on trees.