Virginia to open up in limited capacity next Friday!

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s face it. As usual, poor people in America get the shaft. My husband works in big tech. They are estimating only 30% of their global employees will be back in an office by October.
My wealthy SAHM friends all plan to continue to stay at home during the summer. All have cancelled vacation plans. All are either using delivery to get groceries or going at odd hours.
Who is really at risk? Poor people who work in crowded places that can’t be protected and who have crappy or no health care.
There will be people who take dumb risks because they’re either young and unlikely to get really sick (which is fine as long as they don’t pass it on...) or because they don’t believe the risks are real. And we we will see how that plays out.
But most of the wealthy and educated people will sit back in their cushy homes and watch and wait.

Yep. Capital One just announced that 40k of its 50k employees will be WFH until at least Labor Day and when it's time to come back into the office, they'll get 6 weeks notice (I assume this is all of finance/acct/legal/strategy/IT -- NOT the bank tellers who have to be at the branches eventually). There are biglaw whispers that no one is in the office again until after Labor Day (meaning attorneys -- no clue what they'll do with staff, probably lay some more off since the aren't doing much at home); if biglaw is WFH until Labor Day, surely investment banking/Wall Street will be as well. SAHMs can keep SAHM-ing. White collar professionals can either get grocery delivered or calendar themselves an outlook entry to go to the store or Target or Home Depot or wherever they need at 10 am or 1 pm or whenever it's empty in their area bc they don't have the type of job where anyone is getting after them for stepping away for an hour mid day for an errand. These groups can wait it out for months if needed.

It's the "regular" people who will be forced back to work too soon because states are reopening (not so much Va but other places) and then because they're working, their options will be stopping by stores at 5 pm or on weekends -- when they are most crowded.

If this doesn't teach kids to go to college and then get the high end JDs/MBAs/engineering and go higher end white collar, IDK what will.

I agree this describes almost everyone I know except physicians. However my husband had to take a 20% pay cut as I’ve heard many others have. I know he’s lucky to still have his job. They are venture backed though and will run out of money in September if they can’t raise more capital by then (unlikely.)

Really? What industry is he in? I haven’t heard of anyone getting a pay cut that large yet.

Seriously?? Go to the money or jobs forums. A LOT of people have taken 20% pay cuts, no planned raises or bonuses, decrease or ending of retirement matching by the company.

I wish I could understand what compels these people to not believe the economic hardship going on? Are they just that out of touch in their own bubble?

+1. Why would I lie about DH’s paycut? His company is venture backed. They are trying to stretch their cash reserves until venture financing resumes again or they will go bust.

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Anonymous wrote:Very confused as to why anyone is considering any of these openings when the Trump Admin is predicting 3k deaths a day which will bring us back to where we were in mid-March very quickly.

They predicted 2.2 million deaths in the beginning. People aren’t buying their BS models anymore.

+1. We’re two weeks behind Italy... we’re 8 days behind Italy...

The 2.2 million was a projection based on not taking any mitigation measures-- no shut down, no social distancing, no telework or tele school, no additional hygiene practices.

THIS. It baffles me how people just don’t seem to get this. We shut things down in early March so that we would not get the 2.2 million projected deaths and now that we didn’t, we’re hearing “oh COVID 19 is not that bad, why did we shut down”? This lack of critical thinking baffles me. Is this a reflection of the USVeducation system?

The "Oh Covid 19 is not that bad" is coming from the fact that it kills less than 1% of people who are infected by it. Yes, those of us who are pushing for things to reopen, fully realize that the numbers would be much higher if it weren't for the shutdown, but the % of fatalities would still be very small. You're thinking in terms of numbers, we are thinking in terms of percentages. To us, a virus that kills such a small percentage of people is not worth turning our society into something that falls in the range of a Great Depression or Zombie Apocalypse.

How many people would have been killed this year if we didn’t lock down?

The virus has been in the states since December, people weren’t dropping like flies then up until March.

Where is the proof that social distancing DID work?

The curve flattening?

How many people do you think will die from covid if we open up now and no longer social distance at all?

How bad do you think the economy will get if we continue to keep things shut down?

Very bad. But again how many people do you think will die? If we are weighing options we need to have full picture.

I don't know specifically how many people, but I know it's less than 1% that are infected, and that's not worth the economic cost.

But you need some idea of #s to make an educated decision. Say 3 million (.1% of US population) die. Are they not worth the economic cost?

No you don’t. Less than 1% is less than 1%. Whether that number is 500 or 5 million. You don’t destroy the world for 99% of society to say 1%. Especially when most of that 1% has one foot in the grave.

You don’t see any difference in 500 vs. 5 million people dying?

We didn’t need to destroy the economy. Universal healthcare and UBI would have helped tremendously.

All economies will be destroyed when this is all over. This far surpasses what can be handled by universal healthcare and UBI. Money doesn’t grow on trees.

We'd certainly have a lot more to hold us over if we didn't give massive tax breaks to large corporations and billionaires.

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It's great that they are opening up, but things will never be the same. The economy won't just bounce back like most people seem to think.

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Anonymous wrote:It's great that they are opening up, but things will never be the same. The economy won't just bounce back like most people seem to think.

Things will never be the same?

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So, has it been confirmed that we will be open for phase 1 on May 15?

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Anonymous wrote:+1 to the pay cut posts. I'm a lawyer and took a 15% cut. Many firms have publicly announced 20% cuts.

My DH has take a 30% pay cut AND he took a deferment on his huge scheduled draw (money that was earned from 2019, a payment in arrears so he’s earned that money, and it is the majority of his annual pay). He’s an equity partner in big law. This is to protect the other employees so there are no lay offs but it may now not be enough.

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Anonymous wrote:So, has it been confirmed that we will be open for phase 1 on May 15?

No, despite the title of this post.

Northam says it is likely. Final decision will be made on Monday.

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Anonymous wrote:The reopenings haven't gone well in other states. Increases in cases and deaths, reclosures after places are overrun.

Temper your expectations.

unfortunately, we have hit the bad combo of people undergoing some level of discomfort for 8-9 weeks by mid May AND the start of summer. It is going to be impossible without Spain style “it’s literally illegal to leave your home u less it’s for food” lockdowns to keep Americans inside in summer. We are a selfish country and don’t withstand any level of sacrifice gracefully. Basically, it’s the worst time of year to try to keep selfish Americans inside and they’ve already given their constitutions can by now. So states are just going for it knowing nobody is going to follow it much longer anyway. It’s pathetic but as a country we will just accept a daily death toll of 1500 a day in perpetuity and it’ll fade into background noise while we have BBQs.

What hysteria. You know what this country will emerge a lot stronger than a place that annihilates its economy to save the elderly.

Come to America where we annihilate our old folk and infirm (and a small number of healthy people just for good measure) so you can do whatever you want.

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Anonymous wrote:You are right. I apologize. People care about campgrounds! It was an oddly specific question from a reporter when no details were being given about much broader categories like daycares/schools etc.

Because my friend owns a campground, I happen to know that the campground owners have been putting the pressure on Northam to allow them to open. They also have a dedicated association that has also been putting the heat on him. I wouldn’t be surprised if they haven’t called the press. For example, my friends campsite has actual cabins, spaced far apart so that you could easily social distance. It would be just like living in a neighborhood. She hasn’t been allowed to open.

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Anonymous wrote:It's great that they are opening up, but things will never be the same. The economy won't just bounce back like most people seem to think.

Things will never be the same?

And I’m having a difficult time wrapping my head around that.

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Anonymous wrote:It's great that they are opening up, but things will never be the same. The economy won't just bounce back like most people seem to think.

Things will never be the same?

And I’m having a difficult time wrapping my head around that.

Have things gone back to the way they were before 9/11? Not saying things will stay as they are now forever, but this will likely change us in some ways.

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Anonymous wrote:You are right. I apologize. People care about campgrounds! It was an oddly specific question from a reporter when no details were being given about much broader categories like daycares/schools etc.

Because my friend owns a campground, I happen to know that the campground owners have been putting the pressure on Northam to allow them to open. They also have a dedicated association that has also been putting the heat on him. I wouldn’t be surprised if they haven’t called the press. For example, my friends campsite has actual cabins, spaced far apart so that you could easily social distance. It would be just like living in a neighborhood. She hasn’t been allowed to open.

See that makes zero sense. Places like that would thrive and it’s perfect for social distancing.

Meanwhile, my local Walmart has 500 people

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Anonymous wrote:+1 to the pay cut posts. I'm a lawyer and took a 15% cut. Many firms have publicly announced 20% cuts.

My DH has take a 30% pay cut AND he took a deferment on his huge scheduled draw (money that was earned from 2019, a payment in arrears so he’s earned that money, and it is the majority of his annual pay). He’s an equity partner in big law. This is to protect the other employees so there are no lay offs but it may now not be enough.

Oh man, that is really too bad for those other employees. Not feeling much pity for your DH, though.

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Anonymous wrote:+1 to the pay cut posts. I'm a lawyer and took a 15% cut. Many firms have publicly announced 20% cuts.

My DH has take a 30% pay cut AND he took a deferment on his huge scheduled draw (money that was earned from 2019, a payment in arrears so he’s earned that money, and it is the majority of his annual pay). He’s an equity partner in big law. This is to protect the other employees so there are no lay offs but it may now not be enough.

Oh man, that is really too bad for those other employees. Not feeling much pity for your DH, though.

Why can’t you feel bad for both? He’s not getting money he earned.

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Things will never be the same?

And I’m having a difficult time wrapping my head around that.

See, I would actually love it if popular travel destinations could go back to their pre-boom crowd levels and my family could tour Europe and other places the way families could 20 years ago, or even 10 years ago.

But I know better. People have short memories and as soon as possible everyone will resume their former habits! Never fear PP!