2019 AAP Results

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Anonymous wrote:Are you Asian?

wow are you prejudiced?

No, just trying to suss out why the committee denied this kid.

had no idea that would even be a factor

[Anonymous]

Sure, because it is assumed that Asian families send their kids to prep classes, so their kids scores are artificially inflated.

[Anonymous]

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My daughter’s NNAT was 120 (89 percentile) and his COGAT is:
V: 111
Q: 129
NV: 126
Componsite (VQN): 127

My daughter didn't get in but we included work and we wrote letter. We are wondering if there is any point appealing this. We don't know the GBRS score, DRC or pool and have no idea where to get that info.

Any input? Is it worth appealing? Is it worth getting WISC? If so where do you suggest? Gmu or private?

Sorry, but how can you not know if she was in the pool?? It would have been included in your child’s envelope with the CoGAT scores.

You don’t get told you are not in pool. Pp probably wasn’t in pool.

My point still stands. How can anyone not figure it out? The letter that says in pool comes with your child’s scores. If you didn’t get a letter, your child obviously wasn’t in the pool. SMH. At this point in the process to not know that? I’m sorry, pure ignorance.

Sorry, we are new here and not familiar with the system. We were told to complete referral form an submit work. No idea about the pool, GBRC or DRa. This is the first time I am hearing about them.
If I did not get a letter saying she is in the pool with the Cogat score, does that mean she is not in?

[Anonymous]

Those scores are below the threshold for being in pool automatically. It sounds like you did a parent referral, however.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

My daughter’s NNAT was 120 (89 percentile) and his COGAT is:
V: 111
Q: 129
NV: 126
Componsite (VQN): 127

My daughter didn't get in but we included work and we wrote letter. We are wondering if there is any point appealing this. We don't know the GBRS score, DRC or pool and have no idea where to get that info.

Any input? Is it worth appealing? Is it worth getting WISC? If so where do you suggest? Gmu or private?

Sorry, but how can you not know if she was in the pool?? It would have been included in your child’s envelope with the CoGAT scores.

You don’t get told you are not in pool. Pp probably wasn’t in pool.

My point still stands. How can anyone not figure it out? The letter that says in pool comes with your child’s scores. If you didn’t get a letter, your child obviously wasn’t in the pool. SMH. At this point in the process to not know that? I’m sorry, pure ignorance.

Sorry, we are new here and not familiar with the system. We were told to complete referral form an submit work. No idea about the pool, GBRC or DRa. This is the first time I am hearing about them.
If I did not get a letter saying she is in the pool with the Cogat score, does that mean she is not in?

Correct. She was not in the pool automatically, which is why you had to parent refer her. She still got looked at but rejected. Your next step is an appeal. Ask the AART for a copy of her AAP file so you can see how the teacher rated her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sure, because it is assumed that Asian families send their kids to prep classes, so their kids scores are artificially inflated.

1. There are prep classes for these tests??

2. Your racism is showing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

My daughter’s NNAT was 120 (89 percentile) and his COGAT is:
V: 111
Q: 129
NV: 126
Componsite (VQN): 127

My daughter didn't get in but we included work and we wrote letter. We are wondering if there is any point appealing this. We don't know the GBRS score, DRC or pool and have no idea where to get that info.

Any input? Is it worth appealing? Is it worth getting WISC? If so where do you suggest? Gmu or private?

Sorry, but how can you not know if she was in the pool?? It would have been included in your child’s envelope with the CoGAT scores.

You don’t get told you are not in pool. Pp probably wasn’t in pool.

My point still stands. How can anyone not figure it out? The letter that says in pool comes with your child’s scores. If you didn’t get a letter, your child obviously wasn’t in the pool. SMH. At this point in the process to not know that? I’m sorry, pure ignorance.

Sorry, we are new here and not familiar with the system. We were told to complete referral form an submit work. No idea about the pool, GBRC or DRa. This is the first time I am hearing about them.
If I did not get a letter saying she is in the pool with the Cogat score, does that mean she is not in?

Correct. She was not in the pool automatically, which is why you had to parent refer her. She still got looked at but rejected. Your next step is an appeal. Ask the AART for a copy of her AAP file so you can see how the teacher rated her.

Thanks a lot for the information. I really appreciate it.
Do you think it’s worth appealing? Is it worth getting WISC? If so where do you suggest? GMU or private? By the way I am not expecting a very strong letter from her teacher. She is really good but gets distracted by other kids easily. She has an extremely great memory and talents and interests in many areas, like chess, piano, geography, rubikscubes, etc. I don’t think she can show her best. I am afraid that she won’t be challenged enough in other classes. On the other hand, I don’t want her to struggle if she is not eligible for AAP. However all of our friends notice her intelligence. Also when I see her friends at similar age groups I also notice that she grasps faster than other kids around. I would appreciate any comments, thanks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

My daughter’s NNAT was 120 (89 percentile) and his COGAT is:
V: 111
Q: 129
NV: 126
Componsite (VQN): 127

My daughter didn't get in but we included work and we wrote letter. We are wondering if there is any point appealing this. We don't know the GBRS score, DRC or pool and have no idea where to get that info.

Any input? Is it worth appealing? Is it worth getting WISC? If so where do you suggest? Gmu or private?

Sorry, but how can you not know if she was in the pool?? It would have been included in your child’s envelope with the CoGAT scores.

You don’t get told you are not in pool. Pp probably wasn’t in pool.

My point still stands. How can anyone not figure it out? The letter that says in pool comes with your child’s scores. If you didn’t get a letter, your child obviously wasn’t in the pool. SMH. At this point in the process to not know that? I’m sorry, pure ignorance.

Sorry, we are new here and not familiar with the system. We were told to complete referral form an submit work. No idea about the pool, GBRC or DRa. This is the first time I am hearing about them.
If I did not get a letter saying she is in the pool with the Cogat score, does that mean she is not in?

Correct. She was not in the pool automatically, which is why you had to parent refer her. She still got looked at but rejected. Your next step is an appeal. Ask the AART for a copy of her AAP file so you can see how the teacher rated her.

Thanks a lot for the information. I really appreciate it.
Do you think it’s worth appealing? Is it worth getting WISC? If so where do you suggest? GMU or private? By the way I am not expecting a very strong letter from her teacher. She is really good but gets distracted by other kids easily. She has an extremely great memory and talents and interests in many areas, like chess, piano, geography, rubikscubes, etc. I don’t think she can show her best. I am afraid that she won’t be challenged enough in other classes. On the other hand, I don’t want her to struggle if she is not eligible for AAP. However all of our friends notice her intelligence. Also when I see her friends at similar age groups I also notice that she grasps faster than other kids around. I would appreciate any comments, thanks

I’d go private, but it will cost a bit more. You have nothing to lose. The answer is no if you don’t appeal, so why not take the chance? If the appeal fails you can try again next year too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

My daughter’s NNAT was 120 (89 percentile) and his COGAT is:
V: 111
Q: 129
NV: 126
Componsite (VQN): 127

My daughter didn't get in but we included work and we wrote letter. We are wondering if there is any point appealing this. We don't know the GBRS score, DRC or pool and have no idea where to get that info.

Any input? Is it worth appealing? Is it worth getting WISC? If so where do you suggest? Gmu or private?

Sorry, but how can you not know if she was in the pool?? It would have been included in your child’s envelope with the CoGAT scores.

You don’t get told you are not in pool. Pp probably wasn’t in pool.

My point still stands. How can anyone not figure it out? The letter that says in pool comes with your child’s scores. If you didn’t get a letter, your child obviously wasn’t in the pool. SMH. At this point in the process to not know that? I’m sorry, pure ignorance.

Sorry, we are new here and not familiar with the system. We were told to complete referral form an submit work. No idea about the pool, GBRC or DRa. This is the first time I am hearing about them.
If I did not get a letter saying she is in the pool with the Cogat score, does that mean she is not in?

Correct. She was not in the pool automatically, which is why you had to parent refer her. She still got looked at but rejected. Your next step is an appeal. Ask the AART for a copy of her AAP file so you can see how the teacher rated her.

Thanks a lot for the information. I really appreciate it.
Do you think it’s worth appealing? Is it worth getting WISC? If so where do you suggest? GMU or private? By the way I am not expecting a very strong letter from her teacher. She is really good but gets distracted by other kids easily. She has an extremely great memory and talents and interests in many areas, like chess, piano, geography, rubikscubes, etc. I don’t think she can show her best. I am afraid that she won’t be challenged enough in other classes. On the other hand, I don’t want her to struggle if she is not eligible for AAP. However all of our friends notice her intelligence. Also when I see her friends at similar age groups I also notice that she grasps faster than other kids around. I would appreciate any comments, thanks

Oh, there won’t be a letter from the teacher. It’s actually just a form (called the GBRS form) and it’s just two pages with a rating and comments. You need to see that and see what work samples the school sent in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, because it is assumed that Asian families send their kids to prep classes, so their kids scores are artificially inflated.

1. There are prep classes for these tests??

2. Your racism is showing.

lol. A parent who sends her kid to mathnasium and hires a reading/writing tutor and reviews test questions ahead of time surely has heard of the many, many, many test prep centers/summer camps/workbooks. Most seem to cater to Indian/Korean/Chinese families. It is not racist to point out that fact.

[Anonymous]

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Yes you are right, we did prep him a few days before to go over some questions that I came across online so that he wouldn't be totally caught off guard. As we did the same the first time he took the test.

I think an extra year of maturity may have helped improve his scores. But please don't get me wrong, we did not drill him with test questions for weeks before the test.

PP, I'm sorry that people are piling onto you about the tutoring. Did everyone miss the fact that your older child got into AAP with lower scores? I can see why people with two kids having very similar intelligence levels will do everything they can to get the second child in. After all, would people really want the older child to be perceived as the smart one and the younger child as the non-smart one when both kids are basically at the same level? Also, getting tutoring or outside enrichment for your 3rd grader who didn't make AAP in the hopes of keeping up with AAP doesn't seem crazy at all to me. I hope your kid gets in on appeal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yes you are right, we did prep him a few days before to go over some questions that I came across online so that he wouldn't be totally caught off guard. As we did the same the first time he took the test.

I think an extra year of maturity may have helped improve his scores. But please don't get me wrong, we did not drill him with test questions for weeks before the test.

PP, I'm sorry that people are piling onto you about the tutoring. Did everyone miss the fact that your older child got into AAP with lower scores? I can see why people with two kids having very similar intelligence levels will do everything they can to get the second child in. After all, would people really want the older child to be perceived as the smart one and the younger child as the non-smart one when both kids are basically at the same level? Also, getting tutoring or outside enrichment for your 3rd grader who didn't make AAP in the hopes of keeping up with AAP doesn't seem crazy at all to me. I hope your kid gets in on appeal.

I think you are referring to me and not pp. I have a current older child in aap and a second grader who was rejected just now.

My younger rejected child is naturally smarter than my older child. My older child is a harder worker. My younger child has a superior memory.

My younger rejected child has higher test scores and better gbrs. Older child also had strong gbrs but commentary is amazing for younger child. I seriously don’t understand why my child was rejected.

Older child’s work products are better. We moved and new school submitted PowerPoint created by my child as a sample. I’m honestly impressed my kid created a slide show. Teacher even wrote my child created the presentation in school without research. I thought this was an awesome work product since my kid can barely type. Committee didn’t seem to think so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yes you are right, we did prep him a few days before to go over some questions that I came across online so that he wouldn't be totally caught off guard. As we did the same the first time he took the test.

I think an extra year of maturity may have helped improve his scores. But please don't get me wrong, we did not drill him with test questions for weeks before the test.

PP, I'm sorry that people are piling onto you about the tutoring. Did everyone miss the fact that your older child got into AAP with lower scores? I can see why people with two kids having very similar intelligence levels will do everything they can to get the second child in. After all, would people really want the older child to be perceived as the smart one and the younger child as the non-smart one when both kids are basically at the same level? Also, getting tutoring or outside enrichment for your 3rd grader who didn't make AAP in the hopes of keeping up with AAP doesn't seem crazy at all to me. I hope your kid gets in on appeal.

I think you are referring to me and not pp. I have a current older child in aap and a second grader who was rejected just now.

My younger rejected child is naturally smarter than my older child. My older child is a harder worker. My younger child has a superior memory.

My younger rejected child has higher test scores and better gbrs. Older child also had strong gbrs but commentary is amazing for younger child. I seriously don’t understand why my child was rejected.

Older child’s work products are better. We moved and new school submitted PowerPoint created by my child as a sample. I’m honestly impressed my kid created a slide show. Teacher even wrote my child created the presentation in school without research. I thought this was an awesome work product since my kid can barely type. Committee didn’t seem to think so.

Had a similar experience. Older child got in with similar scores, GBRS, work samples, etc. Younger child was not found eligible. My younger child is definitely a better student and harder worker. Older child is definitely bright in own way, just not so interested in school. This whole thing seems to be a crapshoot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

My daughter’s NNAT was 120 (89 percentile) and his COGAT is:
V: 111
Q: 129
NV: 126
Componsite (VQN): 127

My daughter didn't get in but we included work and we wrote letter. We are wondering if there is any point appealing this. We don't know the GBRS score, DRC or pool and have no idea where to get that info.

Any input? Is it worth appealing? Is it worth getting WISC? If so where do you suggest? Gmu or private?

Sorry, but how can you not know if she was in the pool?? It would have been included in your child’s envelope with the CoGAT scores.

You don’t get told you are not in pool. Pp probably wasn’t in pool.

My point still stands. How can anyone not figure it out? The letter that says in pool comes with your child’s scores. If you didn’t get a letter, your child obviously wasn’t in the pool. SMH. At this point in the process to not know that? I’m sorry, pure ignorance.

Sorry, we are new here and not familiar with the system. We were told to complete referral form an submit work. No idea about the pool, GBRC or DRa. This is the first time I am hearing about them.
If I did not get a letter saying she is in the pool with the Cogat score, does that mean she is not in?

Correct. She was not in the pool automatically, which is why you had to parent refer her. She still got looked at but rejected. Your next step is an appeal. Ask the AART for a copy of her AAP file so you can see how the teacher rated her.

Thanks a lot for the information. I really appreciate it.
Do you think it’s worth appealing? Is it worth getting WISC? If so where do you suggest? GMU or private? By the way I am not expecting a very strong letter from her teacher. She is really good but gets distracted by other kids easily. She has an extremely great memory and talents and interests in many areas, like chess, piano, geography, rubikscubes, etc. I don’t think she can show her best. I am afraid that she won’t be challenged enough in other classes. On the other hand, I don’t want her to struggle if she is not eligible for AAP. However all of our friends notice her intelligence. Also when I see her friends at similar age groups I also notice that she grasps faster than other kids around. I would appreciate any comments, thanks

Oh, there won’t be a letter from the teacher. It’s actually just a form (called the GBRS form) and it’s just two pages with a rating and comments. You need to see that and see what work samples the school sent in.

I just got the AAP package. As I expected she doesn’t have good GBRC. All, occasional although the teacher says that she frequently shows those talents. I really don’t understand why her teacher gives o if she shows frequently. Her DRA is 24. Do you suggest appealing? Would you go to private for WISC? If so, which one do you suggest? Also, as I see from the website GMU conducts WISC for level 5 only, no level 4. Any feedback will be appreciated. Thanks

[Anonymous]

I hate the quote boxes so responding to 22:12 post.

From what I have read, mainly on these boards, the WISC is not likely to be that much higher then the NNAT and CogAT. The NNAT was 120 and the highest subscore on the CogAT was a 129 with a composite of 127. If her GBRSs were all Occasionally, I don't know how likely she is to be accepted on appeal. The WISC might be 139 but the GBRS are just not that great.

Are you willing to pay around $400 for a test that might help her get in on appeal but probably won't? The NNAT and CogAT are pretty close in score so I don't know that the WISC is going to be that much higher.

You can ask for a retest on the CogAT next year and submit a package then. Hopefully she will end up with better GBRSs.

Overall, it looks like you have a smart child but not one that is jumping off the page as an AAP student.

I don't know what school you are at or what the Gen Ed program is like. Reading what some people have posted gives me a better appreciation for why AAP is so important for some families.

No matter what happens, know that you have a bright child and nurture her interests and her education. She has all the raw materials to do very well in school, even outside of AAP. Honors classes and AP and IB options are available once she gets to middle school and high school.