2019 AAP Results

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. It's frustrating when people say that an in-pool kid with high Q and NV but lower V belongs in gen ed + advanced math, because a lot of schools don't offer advanced math in 3rd. The only way for a kid who is gifted in math to be guaranteed advanced math is by being LIV eligible.

If I had a child who was gifted in math, I wouldn't rely on a public school to meet this need. My DS is a normal bright kid, not especially gifted in anything that I can see but bright. He has been taking advanced math (a year or two ahead) outside of school since forever. He still does plus attends RSM. Whatever they do in school is simply a baseline.

Interesting-so you are just going to keep him in general ed and continue supplementing, right? You seem pleased with your situation so far.

[Anonymous]

Why is she posting on the AAP board if she has no interest, kind of weird.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is she posting on the AAP board if she has no interest, kind of weird.

It can be helpful for some parents who are anxious/upset/disappointed that their child did not get into AAP to know what some people whose kids are not in AAP are doing to supplement the Gen Ed experiencce.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. It's frustrating when people say that an in-pool kid with high Q and NV but lower V belongs in gen ed + advanced math, because a lot of schools don't offer advanced math in 3rd. The only way for a kid who is gifted in math to be guaranteed advanced math is by being LIV eligible.

If I had a child who was gifted in math, I wouldn't rely on a public school to meet this need. My DS is a normal bright kid, not especially gifted in anything that I can see but bright. He has been taking advanced math (a year or two ahead) outside of school since forever. He still does plus attends RSM. Whatever they do in school is simply a baseline.

So he does Kumon or equivalent plus the Russia school of math? How much does that cost? How many hours per week?

I'm not sure of the total. RSM is two hours a week plus maybe half hr of homework. Tutoring is an hour a week plus another hour of homework. So maybe 4 hrs? conservatively. Total cost of both is maybe 2,600 - 2,800.

Wow. That is a lot of time (class + driving back and forth) and money for one child to learn a subject he should be learning at school. Very few people can afford $2800/year for one child to learn one subject.

He IS learning it at school, and he's in a good school, too. The thing is that elementary school math in the U.S. is EXTREMELY slow and easy. It's not difficult for an average bright child (like my DS) to work a year or two ahead. We supplement math because we are not satisfied with how much math he's getting at school, that's all. My point is that even advanced math that you get at AAP is very easy for an average bright child, and is not at all for "gifted" children. If my child was actually gifted, none of that would be enough. He did get into AAP but I know that whatever advanced math he'd get there would be squarely within this limits for no other reason but enrichment he received prior to that. Not giftedness. It's not about being gifted, just average bright.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. It's frustrating when people say that an in-pool kid with high Q and NV but lower V belongs in gen ed + advanced math, because a lot of schools don't offer advanced math in 3rd. The only way for a kid who is gifted in math to be guaranteed advanced math is by being LIV eligible.

If I had a child who was gifted in math, I wouldn't rely on a public school to meet this need. My DS is a normal bright kid, not especially gifted in anything that I can see but bright. He has been taking advanced math (a year or two ahead) outside of school since forever. He still does plus attends RSM. Whatever they do in school is simply a baseline.

So he does Kumon or equivalent plus the Russia school of math? How much does that cost? How many hours per week?

I'm not sure of the total. RSM is two hours a week plus maybe half hr of homework. Tutoring is an hour a week plus another hour of homework. So maybe 4 hrs? conservatively. Total cost of both is maybe 2,600 - 2,800.

Wow. That is a lot of time (class + driving back and forth) and money for one child to learn a subject he should be learning at school. Very few people can afford $2800/year for one child to learn one subject.

Why do kids need more math at this age? What is the reasoning?

He IS learning it at school, and he's in a good school, too. The thing is that elementary school math in the U.S. is EXTREMELY slow and easy. It's not difficult for an average bright child (like my DS) to work a year or two ahead. We supplement math because we are not satisfied with how much math he's getting at school, that's all. My point is that even advanced math that you get at AAP is very easy for an average bright child, and is not at all for "gifted" children. If my child was actually gifted, none of that would be enough. He did get into AAP but I know that whatever advanced math he'd get there would be squarely within this limits for no other reason but enrichment he received prior to that. Not giftedness. It's not about being gifted, just average bright.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. It's frustrating when people say that an in-pool kid with high Q and NV but lower V belongs in gen ed + advanced math, because a lot of schools don't offer advanced math in 3rd. The only way for a kid who is gifted in math to be guaranteed advanced math is by being LIV eligible.

If I had a child who was gifted in math, I wouldn't rely on a public school to meet this need. My DS is a normal bright kid, not especially gifted in anything that I can see but bright. He has been taking advanced math (a year or two ahead) outside of school since forever. He still does plus attends RSM. Whatever they do in school is simply a baseline.

So he does Kumon or equivalent plus the Russia school of math? How much does that cost? How many hours per week?

I'm not sure of the total. RSM is two hours a week plus maybe half hr of homework. Tutoring is an hour a week plus another hour of homework. So maybe 4 hrs? conservatively. Total cost of both is maybe 2,600 - 2,800.

Wow. That is a lot of time (class + driving back and forth) and money for one child to learn a subject he should be learning at school. Very few people can afford $2800/year for one child to learn one subject.

He IS learning it at school, and he's in a good school, too. The thing is that elementary school math in the U.S. is EXTREMELY slow and easy. It's not difficult for an average bright child (like my DS) to work a year or two ahead. We supplement math because we are not satisfied with how much math he's getting at school, that's all. My point is that even advanced math that you get at AAP is very easy for an average bright child, and is not at all for "gifted" children. If my child was actually gifted, none of that would be enough. He did get into AAP but I know that whatever advanced math he'd get there would be squarely within this limits for no other reason but enrichment he received prior to that. Not giftedness. It's not about being gifted, just average bright.

Why do kids need more math at this age? What is the reasoning?

I think the pp explained it well. Just because it’s possible? I think some parents grasp at ways to make their kid get ahead of the pack. It’s fruitless in the end if the kid isn’t actually gifted. Yeah, math isn’t that hard for average bright kids. Some parents think that that’s great. Others think it’s a chance to get ahead temporarily.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone have an idea of what WISC score is needed to get in?

[Anonymous]

Meant to provide context. We are appealing. All consistently observed for GbRs with great comments from teacher.

147 NNAT
46 out of 48/ raw score

127 composite for COGAT.
Verbal 127
Quantitative 121
Nonverbal 123

Any idea what number they are looking for with regard to the WISC?

Thanks in advance.

[Anonymous]

The conventional wisdom is a wisc above 130.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have an idea of what WISC score is needed to get in?

DC got in with a 132. My kid’s main strength is language and I wonder if that helped? Math is above grade level but that need could likely be met with pull-outs. However, DC’s language skills are exceptional (reads/writes far above peer/age level, obsessed with words/meanings, does a lot of creative story-writing at home for fun, huge vocabulary, etc), and that was pretty clear from the file.

[Anonymous]

Thank you both. We just received a WISC score of 141. Hoping that will be enough for a successful appeal.

[Anonymous]

for appealo you submit the summary page on WISC or the complete report (5 pages) by the psychologist?

[Anonymous]

My daughter’s NNAT was 120
COGAT is:
V: 111
Q: 129
NV: 126
Composite (VQN): 127

Her GBRS is all occasional. She took WISC-5 and her Full scale iq was 129. Her subset scores were at "very high" or "extremely high" however her verbal comprehension was the just average. She is bilingual. Any suggestions on appealing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s NNAT was 120
COGAT is:
V: 111
Q: 129
NV: 126
Composite (VQN): 127

Her GBRS is all occasional. She took WISC-5 and her Full scale iq was 129. Her subset scores were at "very high" or "extremely high" however her verbal comprehension was the just average. She is bilingual. Any suggestions on appealing?

Is she in ESOL, or has she exited ESOL services recently? You've probably got a decent shot, especially if that's the case. Make sure the WISC report indicates that you are a bilingual family. If you have younger kids, make sure you indicate that you speak another language at home on the home-language survey early on, even if everyone is also fluent in English, because it definitely helps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s NNAT was 120
COGAT is:
V: 111
Q: 129
NV: 126
Composite (VQN): 127

Her GBRS is all occasional. She took WISC-5 and her Full scale iq was 129. Her subset scores were at "very high" or "extremely high" however her verbal comprehension was the just average. She is bilingual. Any suggestions on appealing?

Wow, that sucks. This is the worst rating I've seen on here. This is why they place way too much emphasis on the teacher input.