Shutdown Rhetoric

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is DACA part of this entire thing anyway? Trump cancelled it - it was always supposed to be DEFERRED action anyway - with instructions for Congress to come up with a plan in March.

So why are the Democrats using this issue as a hostage to find the government? It's like they are saying, "give the DACA kids amnesty, or we will shut down the government." Are the Dems really willing to kick nearly 1 million Americans out of work, keep elderly Americans from getting their SS checks, keep military heroes from getting medical care, and hurting so many Americans in other ways, all to get what's best for kids who came here illegally? I get that they were kids, but really....what's the urgency NOW, other than the fact the D's can use a government shutdown as a threat?

Take the DACA issue off the table completely, and address it in March, as was the plan.

Trump needs his wall

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is DACA part of this entire thing anyway? Trump cancelled it - it was always supposed to be DEFERRED action anyway - with instructions for Congress to come up with a plan in March.

So why are the Democrats using this issue as a hostage to find the government? It's like they are saying, "give the DACA kids amnesty, or we will shut down the government." Are the Dems really willing to kick nearly 1 million Americans out of work, keep elderly Americans from getting their SS checks, keep military heroes from getting medical care, and hurting so many Americans in other ways, all to get what's best for kids who came here illegally? I get that they were kids, but really....what's the urgency NOW, other than the fact the D's can use a government shutdown as a threat?

Take the DACA issue off the table completely, and address it in March, as was the plan.

It is the Hispanic caucus and lobby that has Schumer and other Democrats by the you know what. They got themselves in this tight corner and don't know how to get out of it.

They should have taken the position that DACA would have to be dealt with separately but they just screwed up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Moderate posting. I like the five-day-CR idea. Dems could force CHiP through with today's five-day-CR, and then insist that DACA fix be included in the next CR in late January. Repubs get to avoid causing a shutdown, Trump gets to claim victory, and Dems actually get all the legislative items they wanted. Everyone happy.

Indeed, maybe Dems should just keep stringing this along in 5-15 day increments, and insisting that Republicans pass bits of Dem legislation with each new CR. Republicans cannot develop an actual budget to pass, so Dems should use this Republican weakness to maximum advantage.

as a federal employee, i say NO to this. some of us travel quite a bit and it is impossible to plan ahead and travel to DO OUR JOB with these CRs dribbling in. no. shut the damn thing down, figure the crap out of the issues, and pass a budget so we can go back to work and do our jobs properly.

Another fed. Agree just shut the whole thing down, completely (except the very small part of the military that is actually defending the nation) and not partial shutdown. Give Americans a chance to really understand what government does. That’s the only way congress might get the wake up call that it needs. It has one critical job. Fund the government on time. They are four months overdue and playing games with lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is DACA part of this entire thing anyway? Trump cancelled it - it was always supposed to be DEFERRED action anyway - with instructions for Congress to come up with a plan in March.

So why are the Democrats using this issue as a hostage to find the government? It's like they are saying, "give the DACA kids amnesty, or we will shut down the government." Are the Dems really willing to kick nearly 1 million Americans out of work, keep elderly Americans from getting their SS checks, keep military heroes from getting medical care, and hurting so many Americans in other ways, all to get what's best for kids who came here illegally? I get that they were kids, but really....what's the urgency NOW, other than the fact the D's can use a government shutdown as a threat?

Take the DACA issue off the table completely, and address it in March, as was the plan.

It is the Hispanic caucus and lobby that has Schumer and other Democrats by the you know what. They got themselves in this tight corner and don't know how to get out of it.

They should have taken the position that DACA would have to be dealt with separately but they just screwed up.

Uh, without the threat of a shutdown, the DS will never ever ever ever get anything from the Rs. Since Congress breaks promises to R senators, it seems likely that they would break any promises to D senators.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is DACA part of this entire thing anyway? Trump cancelled it - it was always supposed to be DEFERRED action anyway - with instructions for Congress to come up with a plan in March.

So why are the Democrats using this issue as a hostage to find the government? It's like they are saying, "give the DACA kids amnesty, or we will shut down the government." Are the Dems really willing to kick nearly 1 million Americans out of work, keep elderly Americans from getting their SS checks, keep military heroes from getting medical care, and hurting so many Americans in other ways, all to get what's best for kids who came here illegally? I get that they were kids, but really....what's the urgency NOW, other than the fact the D's can use a government shutdown as a threat?

Take the DACA issue off the table completely, and address it in March, as was the plan.

It is the Hispanic caucus and lobby that has Schumer and other Democrats by the you know what. They got themselves in this tight corner and don't know how to get out of it.

They should have taken the position that DACA would have to be dealt with separately but they just screwed up.

Hispanic caucus? LOL. Now that’s a real power player on the hill. 31 whole people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Schumer says progress was made and Kelly told the GOP that Trump and Schumer did not come to any agreement.

Where does the truth lie?

That’s actually a situation in which both statements may be correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Moderate posting. I like the five-day-CR idea. Dems could force CHiP through with today's five-day-CR, and then insist that DACA fix be included in the next CR in late January. Repubs get to avoid causing a shutdown, Trump gets to claim victory, and Dems actually get all the legislative items they wanted. Everyone happy.

Indeed, maybe Dems should just keep stringing this along in 5-15 day increments, and insisting that Republicans pass bits of Dem legislation with each new CR. Republicans cannot develop an actual budget to pass, so Dems should use this Republican weakness to maximum advantage.

as a federal employee, i say NO to this. some of us travel quite a bit and it is impossible to plan ahead and travel to DO OUR JOB with these CRs dribbling in. no. shut the damn thing down, figure the crap out of the issues, and pass a budget so we can go back to work and do our jobs properly.

Another fed. Agree just shut the whole thing down, completely (except the very small part of the military that is actually defending the nation) and not partial shutdown. Give Americans a chance to really understand what government does. That’s the only way congress might get the wake up call that it needs. It has one critical job. Fund the government on time. They are four months overdue and playing games with lives.

DP. Yes, part of the problem is when the "government" goes through a "shut down" it is really only some things like parks and museums. If the government REALLY shut down then people would realize it is significant and perhaps Congress (on the whole) wouldn't screw around with it so much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is DACA part of this entire thing anyway? Trump cancelled it - it was always supposed to be DEFERRED action anyway - with instructions for Congress to come up with a plan in March.

So why are the Democrats using this issue as a hostage to find the government? It's like they are saying, "give the DACA kids amnesty, or we will shut down the government." Are the Dems really willing to kick nearly 1 million Americans out of work, keep elderly Americans from getting their SS checks, keep military heroes from getting medical care, and hurting so many Americans in other ways, all to get what's best for kids who came here illegally? I get that they were kids, but really....what's the urgency NOW, other than the fact the D's can use a government shutdown as a threat?

Take the DACA issue off the table completely, and address it in March, as was the plan.

No the plan was to have a solution by March 5. If there's a CR for another month, they can avoid talking about DACA until 2 weeks before *poof* it's gone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is DACA part of this entire thing anyway? Trump cancelled it - it was always supposed to be DEFERRED action anyway - with instructions for Congress to come up with a plan in March.

So why are the Democrats using this issue as a hostage to find the government? It's like they are saying, "give the DACA kids amnesty, or we will shut down the government." Are the Dems really willing to kick nearly 1 million Americans out of work, keep elderly Americans from getting their SS checks, keep military heroes from getting medical care, and hurting so many Americans in other ways, all to get what's best for kids who came here illegally? I get that they were kids, but really....what's the urgency NOW, other than the fact the D's can use a government shutdown as a threat?

Take the DACA issue off the table completely, and address it in March, as was the plan.

It is the Hispanic caucus and lobby that has Schumer and other Democrats by the you know what. They got themselves in this tight corner and don't know how to get out of it.

They should have taken the position that DACA would have to be dealt with separately but they just screwed up.

Uh, without the threat of a shutdown, the DS will never ever ever ever get anything from the Rs. Since Congress breaks promises to R senators, it seems likely that they would break any promises to D senators.

Yeah, but that makes them look awful. They are threatening to shut down the government unless kids whose families are illegal immigrants get what they want? (And that video of them dissing Pelosi and making obnoxious, entitled demands keeps playing in my heads.)

The entire issue of illegal immigration was largely why Trump won. Americans have more sympathy in this case - their being kids at the time - but making this such a priority at the cost to millions of Americans is exactly what people were fed up with: giving priority to illegal immigrants at the expense of law-abiding Americans.

If the government shuts down, it WILL be the Democrats to blame in the court of public opinion. They should never have tried to use the shutdown as a threat to get what they want for DACA kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is DACA part of this entire thing anyway? Trump cancelled it - it was always supposed to be DEFERRED action anyway - with instructions for Congress to come up with a plan in March.

So why are the Democrats using this issue as a hostage to find the government? It's like they are saying, "give the DACA kids amnesty, or we will shut down the government." Are the Dems really willing to kick nearly 1 million Americans out of work, keep elderly Americans from getting their SS checks, keep military heroes from getting medical care, and hurting so many Americans in other ways, all to get what's best for kids who came here illegally? I get that they were kids, but really....what's the urgency NOW, other than the fact the D's can use a government shutdown as a threat?

Take the DACA issue off the table completely, and address it in March, as was the plan.

No the plan was to have a solution by March 5. If there's a CR for another month, they can avoid talking about DACA until 2 weeks before *poof* it's gone.

Eh. We can postpone DACA for another six months. Really, there's no urgency, and other matters are more important.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Moderate posting. I like the five-day-CR idea. Dems could force CHiP through with today's five-day-CR, and then insist that DACA fix be included in the next CR in late January. Repubs get to avoid causing a shutdown, Trump gets to claim victory, and Dems actually get all the legislative items they wanted. Everyone happy.

Indeed, maybe Dems should just keep stringing this along in 5-15 day increments, and insisting that Republicans pass bits of Dem legislation with each new CR. Republicans cannot develop an actual budget to pass, so Dems should use this Republican weakness to maximum advantage.

as a federal employee, i say NO to this. some of us travel quite a bit and it is impossible to plan ahead and travel to DO OUR JOB with these CRs dribbling in. no. shut the damn thing down, figure the crap out of the issues, and pass a budget so we can go back to work and do our jobs properly.

Another fed. Agree just shut the whole thing down, completely (except the very small part of the military that is actually defending the nation) and not partial shutdown. Give Americans a chance to really understand what government does. That’s the only way congress might get the wake up call that it needs. It has one critical job. Fund the government on time. They are four months overdue and playing games with lives.

DP. Yes, part of the problem is when the "government" goes through a "shut down" it is really only some things like parks and museums. If the government REALLY shut down then people would realize it is significant and perhaps Congress (on the whole) wouldn't screw around with it so much.

original Fed PP who says NO to another CR. totally, totally agree. can you imagine if imports came to a halt (that is what i do). omg.

[Anonymous]

There is a federal order staying the Trump administration order on DACA.

So there is no urgency whatever. Just pass the CR and move on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a federal order staying the Trump administration order on DACA.

So there is no urgency whatever. Just pass the CR and move on.

Jeez. Unless the CR is until October, no. Congress, come up with a budget or a long term CR. We don't need another week or month to do the same thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is DACA part of this entire thing anyway? Trump cancelled it - it was always supposed to be DEFERRED action anyway - with instructions for Congress to come up with a plan in March.

So why are the Democrats using this issue as a hostage to find the government? It's like they are saying, "give the DACA kids amnesty, or we will shut down the government." Are the Dems really willing to kick nearly 1 million Americans out of work, keep elderly Americans from getting their SS checks, keep military heroes from getting medical care, and hurting so many Americans in other ways, all to get what's best for kids who came here illegally? I get that they were kids, but really....what's the urgency NOW, other than the fact the D's can use a government shutdown as a threat?

Take the DACA issue off the table completely, and address it in March, as was the plan.

Trump needs his wall

A yuuuuuge transparent wall with lasers and sharks.

[Anonymous]

Ya know, Trump can just punt the DACA issue by issue by issuing a 6 or 12 month Executive Order.

Why doesn't he just do that? Seems to be the easy answer to this problem.