Shutdown Rhetoric

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Anonymous wrote:Why is DACA part of this entire thing anyway? Trump cancelled it - it was always supposed to be DEFERRED action anyway - with instructions for Congress to come up with a plan in March.

So why are the Democrats using this issue as a hostage to find the government? It's like they are saying, "give the DACA kids amnesty, or we will shut down the government." Are the Dems really willing to kick nearly 1 million Americans out of work, keep elderly Americans from getting their SS checks, keep military heroes from getting medical care, and hurting so many Americans in other ways, all to get what's best for kids who came here illegally? I get that they were kids, but really....what's the urgency NOW, other than the fact the D's can use a government shutdown as a threat?

Take the DACA issue off the table completely, and address it in March, as was the plan.

No the plan was to have a solution by March 5. If there's a CR for another month, they can avoid talking about DACA until 2 weeks before *poof* it's gone.

Eh. We can postpone DACA for another six months. Really, there's no urgency, and other matters are more important.

Don’t you need to go get Speaker Ryan some protein powder?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Moderate posting. I like the five-day-CR idea. Dems could force CHiP through with today's five-day-CR, and then insist that DACA fix be included in the next CR in late January. Repubs get to avoid causing a shutdown, Trump gets to claim victory, and Dems actually get all the legislative items they wanted. Everyone happy.

Indeed, maybe Dems should just keep stringing this along in 5-15 day increments, and insisting that Republicans pass bits of Dem legislation with each new CR. Republicans cannot develop an actual budget to pass, so Dems should use this Republican weakness to maximum advantage.

as a federal employee, i say NO to this. some of us travel quite a bit and it is impossible to plan ahead and travel to DO OUR JOB with these CRs dribbling in. no. shut the damn thing down, figure the crap out of the issues, and pass a budget so we can go back to work and do our jobs properly.

Preach! We are already 3 + months past the time when Congress was supposed to have a budget.

The whole mess is a GOP creation. Trump canceled DACA. The GOP refused to fund CHIP. Trump promised Mexico would pay for the wall. Congress has one job - authorize spending and they are just such a bunch of hacks they can’t even do that. A 5-day CR solves nothing.

The Dems need to grow a pair and stand up the the GOP monsters!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Moderate posting. I like the five-day-CR idea. Dems could force CHiP through with today's five-day-CR, and then insist that DACA fix be included in the next CR in late January. Repubs get to avoid causing a shutdown, Trump gets to claim victory, and Dems actually get all the legislative items they wanted. Everyone happy.

Indeed, maybe Dems should just keep stringing this along in 5-15 day increments, and insisting that Republicans pass bits of Dem legislation with each new CR. Republicans cannot develop an actual budget to pass, so Dems should use this Republican weakness to maximum advantage.

as a federal employee, i say NO to this. some of us travel quite a bit and it is impossible to plan ahead and travel to DO OUR JOB with these CRs dribbling in. no. shut the damn thing down, figure the crap out of the issues, and pass a budget so we can go back to work and do our jobs properly.

Another fed. Agree just shut the whole thing down, completely (except the very small part of the military that is actually defending the nation) and not partial shutdown. Give Americans a chance to really understand what government does. That’s the only way congress might get the wake up call that it needs. It has one critical job. Fund the government on time. They are four months overdue and playing games with lives.

DP. Yes, part of the problem is when the "government" goes through a "shut down" it is really only some things like parks and museums. If the government REALLY shut down then people would realize it is significant and perhaps Congress (on the whole) wouldn't screw around with it so much.

I agree with this! I am also a contractor who will not be paid during the shutdown even if Congress ok’s back pay for the Feds. I am really tired of people putting down the government and government workers. Let them go without! Also wish that vets and old people didn’t get paychecks during this time. Let everyone discover how vital government is!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is DACA part of this entire thing anyway? Trump cancelled it - it was always supposed to be DEFERRED action anyway - with instructions for Congress to come up with a plan in March.

So why are the Democrats using this issue as a hostage to find the government? It's like they are saying, "give the DACA kids amnesty, or we will shut down the government." Are the Dems really willing to kick nearly 1 million Americans out of work, keep elderly Americans from getting their SS checks, keep military heroes from getting medical care, and hurting so many Americans in other ways, all to get what's best for kids who came here illegally? I get that they were kids, but really....what's the urgency NOW, other than the fact the D's can use a government shutdown as a threat?

Take the DACA issue off the table completely, and address it in March, as was the plan.

DACA is part part of the bargain because Trump struck a deal to pass the DREAM Act (the bipartisan fix to DACA) back in September when the Republicans couldn't develop a budget and needed Dem votes to avoid a shutdown. So to get Dems to vote for the September CR, Trump agreed to a vote on the DREAM Act. And that's clean passage of the DREAM Act, unrelated to any wall-with-Mexico crap. Trump is the one who put it on the table. The reason it's a hot issue now is because Trump and the Republicans have been trying to renege on their September agreement. Republicans need to live up to their promises.

President Donald Trump is offering amnesty and citizenship to at least 3.7 million illegal aliens and foreign residents, not just to the 800,000 DACA illegals http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/14/democrats-trump-okd-amnesty-dream-bill-3-3-million-illegals/

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi gave more details Thursday morning about the immigration deal that Democratic congressional leaders are negotiating with President Trump. She said above all else, Democrats want Trump to support the DREAM Act, which would extend the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program for unauthorized immigrants who came to the US as children and includes a path to citizenship. "That has been our insistence in every conversation with the speaker and the president," Pelosi said. In exchange, Democrats are willing to spend some money on border security — though not a wall. While the exact details of the deal are still in the works, Republican congressional leaders are begrudgingly going along with it. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said in a statement that President Trump called him Thursday morning to discuss the immigration deal.
https://www.vox.com/2017/9/13/16305690/top-democrats-announced-daca-deal-trump

Toward the end of the Problem Solvers Caucus meeting Wednesday, Trump suggested his proposed border wall with Mexico need not be part of a deal allowing "Dreamers" to stay in the country legally — an idea he would later share with Pelosi and Schumer. Democrats didn't even have to ask, they said in interviews.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thomas-jefferson-street/articles/2017-09-15/his-daca-flip-may-enrage-the-right-but-the-trump-remains-the-same

A potential deal between President Trump and Democratic leaders to protect immigrants brought to the U.S. illegally as children is likely to benefit vulnerable House Republicans in 2018, according to a Republican strategist. Trump got flak from his conservative supporters for entertaining an agreement with Democrats on how to legislatively restore the Deferred Action on Childhood Deportations (DACA) program, including Breitbart News and radio host Laura Ingraham. But the move is being applauded by 2018 watchers who are rooting for Republicans to hold onto their House majority in the face of motivated Democrats.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-daca-deal-could-lift-vulnerable-house-republicans/article/2634600

More analysis of the September politics here - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/17/trumps-dalliances-with-hill-dems-its-all-in-numbers.html

[Anonymous]

Just shut down the government until they have spending agreed for the fiscal year.

DACA can be resolved later. Amnesty for 800K illegals cannot take precedence over running the government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just shut down the government until they have spending agreed for the fiscal year.

DACA can be resolved later. Amnesty for 800K illegals cannot take precedence over running the government.

Out of curiosity, what do other western nations do about children of undocumented immigrants? I'm assuming we're not the only country with this issue. For example, if someone from North Africa sneaks into Spain with their two year old, what happens? Does the child just grow up and blend into society and no one in Spain cares? Do they just petition the government for an ID card and get it?

[Anonymous]

Mulvaney, the leader of the 2013 “Shutdown Caucus,” is lecturing Democrats. How f*cking rich.

[Anonymous]

I just got notice to prepare for furlough

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mulvaney, the leader of the 2013 “Shutdown Caucus,” is lecturing Democrats. How f*cking rich.

He is a tool!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just shut down the government until they have spending agreed for the fiscal year.

DACA can be resolved later. Amnesty for 800K illegals cannot take precedence over running the government.

Out of curiosity, what do other western nations do about children of undocumented immigrants? I'm assuming we're not the only country with this issue. For example, if someone from North Africa sneaks into Spain with their two year old, what happens? Does the child just grow up and blend into society and no one in Spain cares? Do they just petition the government for an ID card and get it?

Google “Fourteenth Amendment.” Paying attention during high school civics class matters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just shut down the government until they have spending agreed for the fiscal year.

DACA can be resolved later. Amnesty for 800K illegals cannot take precedence over running the government.

“Amnesty” does not mean what you seem to think. Turn off Hannity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just shut down the government until they have spending agreed for the fiscal year.

DACA can be resolved later. Amnesty for 800K illegals cannot take precedence over running the government.

The Republicans should just add DACA (and CHIP). They support protections for dreamers and so do most Republican voters. Those worried about reelection could blame the democrats for its passage. They won’t get that kind of cover if they bring up DACA on its own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just shut down the government until they have spending agreed for the fiscal year.

DACA can be resolved later. Amnesty for 800K illegals cannot take precedence over running the government.

Out of curiosity, what do other western nations do about children of undocumented immigrants? I'm assuming we're not the only country with this issue. For example, if someone from North Africa sneaks into Spain with their two year old, what happens? Does the child just grow up and blend into society and no one in Spain cares? Do they just petition the government for an ID card and get it?

Google “Fourteenth Amendment.” Paying attention during high school civics class matters.

I'm not talking about what the USA does. Unless you're implying that Spain has a Fourteenth Amendment?

[Anonymous]

I feel a crappy exceedingly short term deal coming. Trump is not going to miss his tee time tomorrow, much less his $100K a plate dinner.

[Anonymous]

Maybe the Dems want a shutdown because it will cause the stock market to drop in the midst of all the uncertainty. I'm sure they're sick to their stomachs by how well things are going.