Shutdown Rhetoric

[Anonymous]

My prediction:

We will have a CR for five days ............

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My prediction:

We will have a CR for five days ............

Five days? I wonder if it might be much longer than that. The Rs and Ds have not negotiated anything these past 12 months. Why would they start in five days?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My prediction:

We will have a CR for five days ............

Five days? I wonder if it might be much longer than that. The Rs and Ds have not negotiated anything these past 12 months. Why would they start in five days?

The Dems cannot make it much longer because it will piss of the Hispanic lobby but five days would look like they held firm against Trump and yet avoid any potential fallout. Perhaps a week .....

It is a face saving solution that they did not cave and agree to 30 days which is what the Republicans want. They would then say that they are going to work towards some longer term resolution.

And Trump can go to Mara Lago and the senators can go home feeling like they accomplished something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My prediction:

We will have a CR for five days ............

Five days? I wonder if it might be much longer than that. The Rs and Ds have not negotiated anything these past 12 months. Why would they start in five days?

The Dems cannot make it much longer because it will piss of the Hispanic lobby but five days would look like they held firm against Trump and yet avoid any potential fallout. Perhaps a week .....

It is a face saving solution that they did not cave and agree to 30 days which is what the Republicans want. They would then say that they are going to work towards some longer term resolution.

And Trump can go to Mara Lago and the senators can go home feeling like they accomplished something.

Oh, I read your post wrong. I thought you said there would be a shutdown for 5 days. I think it will be much longer.

But maybe they'll all agree to some sort of CR, short or long.

[Anonymous]

Bill Cassidy is too stupid to have graduated from medical school.

[Anonymous]

See, the groundwork is being laid already. Schumer says they made progress with Trump, Tim Kaine says that it can be worked out in a few days and Feinstein tweeted earlier:

“Shutting down the government is a very serious thing. People die, accidents happen. I don’t know how I would vote right now on a CR, OK?”
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:See, the groundwork is being laid already. Schumer says they made progress with Trump, Tim Kaine says that it can be worked out in a few days and Feinstein tweeted earlier:

“Shutting down the government is a very serious thing. People die, accidents happen. I don’t know how I would vote right now on a CR, OK?”
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif)

Schumer abhors bad press. Feinstein is useless. The GOP can count on Dems caving.

[Anonymous]

They don't want to upset the Hispanic caucus in Congress who wants to shut down the government unless DACA is included.

I can't understand why they even care about the Hispanic caucus. After all, where are Hispanics going to go? Support Trump? They are a captive group for all intents and purposes.

[Anonymous]

I bet the GOP makes sure the Zoo stays open this time. This picture ended the government shutdown last time.

[Anonymous]

Schumer says progress was made and Kelly told the GOP that Trump and Schumer did not come to any agreement.

Where does the truth lie?

[Anonymous]

Moderate posting. I like the five-day-CR idea. Dems could force CHiP through with today's five-day-CR, and then insist that DACA fix be included in the next CR in late January. Repubs get to avoid causing a shutdown, Trump gets to claim victory, and Dems actually get all the legislative items they wanted. Everyone happy.

Indeed, maybe Dems should just keep stringing this along in 5-15 day increments, and insisting that Republicans pass bits of Dem legislation with each new CR. Republicans cannot develop an actual budget to pass, so Dems should use this Republican weakness to maximum advantage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Moderate posting. I like the five-day-CR idea. Dems could force CHiP through with today's five-day-CR, and then insist that DACA fix be included in the next CR in late January. Repubs get to avoid causing a shutdown, Trump gets to claim victory, and Dems actually get all the legislative items they wanted. Everyone happy.

Indeed, maybe Dems should just keep stringing this along in 5-15 day increments, and insisting that Republicans pass bits of Dem legislation with each new CR. Republicans cannot develop an actual budget to pass, so Dems should use this Republican weakness to maximum advantage.

Wishful thinking. I don't think DACA will happen without a substantial amount to border security/the wall. Trump would destroy his support with his base if he agreed to it without a substantial commitment towards the wall, the end of chain migration and the visa lottery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Moderate posting. I like the five-day-CR idea. Dems could force CHiP through with today's five-day-CR, and then insist that DACA fix be included in the next CR in late January. Repubs get to avoid causing a shutdown, Trump gets to claim victory, and Dems actually get all the legislative items they wanted. Everyone happy.

Indeed, maybe Dems should just keep stringing this along in 5-15 day increments, and insisting that Republicans pass bits of Dem legislation with each new CR. Republicans cannot develop an actual budget to pass, so Dems should use this Republican weakness to maximum advantage.

as a federal employee, i say NO to this. some of us travel quite a bit and it is impossible to plan ahead and travel to DO OUR JOB with these CRs dribbling in. no. shut the damn thing down, figure the crap out of the issues, and pass a budget so we can go back to work and do our jobs properly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Moderate posting. I like the five-day-CR idea. Dems could force CHiP through with today's five-day-CR, and then insist that DACA fix be included in the next CR in late January. Repubs get to avoid causing a shutdown, Trump gets to claim victory, and Dems actually get all the legislative items they wanted. Everyone happy.

Indeed, maybe Dems should just keep stringing this along in 5-15 day increments, and insisting that Republicans pass bits of Dem legislation with each new CR. Republicans cannot develop an actual budget to pass, so Dems should use this Republican weakness to maximum advantage.

as a federal employee, i say NO to this. some of us travel quite a bit and it is impossible to plan ahead and travel to DO OUR JOB with these CRs dribbling in. no. shut the damn thing down, figure the crap out of the issues, and pass a budget so we can go back to work and do our jobs properly.

Preach! We are already 3 + months past the time when Congress was supposed to have a budget.

The whole mess is a GOP creation. Trump canceled DACA. The GOP refused to fund CHIP. Trump promised Mexico would pay for the wall. Congress has one job - authorize spending and they are just such a bunch of hacks they can’t even do that. A 5-day CR solves nothing.

[Anonymous]

Why is DACA part of this entire thing anyway? Trump cancelled it - it was always supposed to be DEFERRED action anyway - with instructions for Congress to come up with a plan in March.

So why are the Democrats using this issue as a hostage to find the government? It's like they are saying, "give the DACA kids amnesty, or we will shut down the government." Are the Dems really willing to kick nearly 1 million Americans out of work, keep elderly Americans from getting their SS checks, keep military heroes from getting medical care, and hurting so many Americans in other ways, all to get what's best for kids who came here illegally? I get that they were kids, but really....what's the urgency NOW, other than the fact the D's can use a government shutdown as a threat?

Take the DACA issue off the table completely, and address it in March, as was the plan.