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Anonymous wrote:All of them are major losers. Patricia and Whitney are the biggest losers of all of them.

At least Kathryn can say she is young, maybe turn her life around.

Can't stand Cameron. So fake.

Why are they losers? Because they call Kathryn out on her lies and shenanigans?

I actually think Cameran seems very nice - almost too nice - especially to Kathryn. They've got nothing in common and have taken totally opposite paths in life. I think the fact that she didn't want to have a pretend relationship with Kathryn was very admirable.

Patricia has multiple failed marriages. Made money from being a gold digger. Has no relation to the lee family, stole their heirlooms.
Her only legacy is a 55 year old loser named Whitney. He runs around with a tweener haircut playing his guitar like he is some sort of rock star. Gag. No wonder he can't stay in a relationship.

Cameron is boring. Who cares about her therapy sessions. Zzzzzz

Landon is a terrible person, but interesting to watch.

Whitney is 48. (Not that there is anything wrong with us 55-year olds.)

I love Patricia. She is intelligent, witty and fun. I would love to hang out with her!

I don't know about the stolen heirloom stuff, but the person who said it doesn't seem to be the most reliable source.

Hi Whitney!!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised at all of the people who thought Kathryn came off so well during the reunion. I thought the exact opposite. She came off as a loon. All of the horrible facial expressions, the way she talked to the cast, the way she responded to some of Andy's questions. Some of her answers didn't make sense -- you could see Andy thought she was crazy.

TRav looks like an old man.

I agree with all of this. When they showed the clip of her dismissing Landon with the F#%$ off and the dismissive wave of her hand it just emphasized how frequently that is her go to phrase when people call her on things. She loves to do that hand wave/obscenity combo as the answer to everything. She's a nutter with substance abuse problems. I do feel very sorry for their children because dad's no better.

Cameron and Shep are the only sane ones. Shep may be a stunted frat boy, but he's smart and basically seems very nice if immature. Cameron is perfectly normal and I respect her for not getting more drawn into the TRav/ Katherine mess. She may be a bit boring as a result, but that's fine. I find her observations to be true and pretty funny.

I am amazed at the number of people who defend Katherine. Can someone please share what you find her good qualities to be?

It's not that I think she has some great qualities. I don't, really. But she's not so much worse than most of the rest of them and I don't like hypocrites, or people who are unkind to others. Cameran wasn't exactly a model of refinement when she was on Real World as a young 20-something. Landon is every bit as unemployed as Kathryn. Pat and Whitney are every bit as financially dependent on others as Kathryn (Pat "earned" her money through some strategic marriages, and Whitney is the beneficiary of her "talent"). I bet Pat wasn't at home tucking in wee Whitney every night, abstaining from alcohol and cooking his meals and giving him each bath. She gets a pass why? Because she has superior manners, because she managed to get married to a wealthy man before having his child, because her family could pay for "help" so that she could be a socialite attending parties while someone else tended her child? And Shep is every bit as sexually promiscuous as Kathryn and just as irresponsible with birth control. And Thomas is every bit (if not more) unstable and addicted to substances.

I tend to favor underdogs. I realize Kathryn made and continues to make bad decisions that have put her in the position she's in, but I don't think it's right to kick someone when they're down or to relish in someone else's collapse, even if your judgement of that person is being vindicated. That's just small, petty, and mean. There is nothing genteel about the way Pat, Whitney, JD, Landon, Cameran talk about Kathryn. She is a young 20-something who just had two babies in quick succession with a man who is mentally unstable, yet powerful and wealthy enough to carry through on his threats to ruin her life. Bad, bad choice, compounded by more bad choices on her part. But I have empathy for her. I was pretty dumb and irresponsible at her age. Not as dumb, nor as irresponsible. But still, I was no virgin tettotaller. If pot weren't illegal, I'd still partake. I have almost two decades of maturity on Kathryn, but I recognize that I may not have made the same choices I make now (such as forgoing illegal substances I once enjoyed for fear of jail and loss of custody) if I were single and hanging out with the circle of single partying friends I had at 20 and I had two nannies to leave the kids safely with for a night on the town. If Kathryn were independently wealthy (from family money) and more polished, or if she were a man, I don't think she's be subject to the same criticism as she is. All the criticism reads to me more like snobbishness/sexism rather than genuine concern for Kathryn, Thomas, or their kids.

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Anonymous wrote:All of them are major losers. Patricia and Whitney are the biggest losers of all of them.

At least Kathryn can say she is young, maybe turn her life around.

Can't stand Cameron. So fake.

Why are they losers? Because they call Kathryn out on her lies and shenanigans?

I actually think Cameran seems very nice - almost too nice - especially to Kathryn. They've got nothing in common and have taken totally opposite paths in life. I think the fact that she didn't want to have a pretend relationship with Kathryn was very admirable.

Patricia has multiple failed marriages. Made money from being a gold digger. Has no relation to the lee family, stole their heirlooms.
Her only legacy is a 55 year old loser named Whitney. He runs around with a tweener haircut playing his guitar like he is some sort of rock star. Gag. No wonder he can't stay in a relationship.

Cameron is boring. Who cares about her therapy sessions. Zzzzzz

Landon is a terrible person, but interesting to watch.

Whitney is 48. (Not that there is anything wrong with us 55-year olds.)

I love Patricia. She is intelligent, witty and fun. I would love to hang out with her!

I don't know about the stolen heirloom stuff, but the person who said it doesn't seem to be the most reliable source.

Hi Whitney!!

That is such a lame post. It's up there with "hit a nerve." You really need to work harder in the "clever" department.

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^^ nope I'm not Whitney. And you cut off the part where I said I wish Patricia had been nicer to Kathryn.

I bet Patricia is fun to hang out with.

And I googled Suzanne Kent Cooke and wasn't so convinced after I read about her.

But I am also a shep and Cameron fan. So we probably don't see eye to eye on any of the southern charm cast.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised at all of the people who thought Kathryn came off so well during the reunion. I thought the exact opposite. She came off as a loon. All of the horrible facial expressions, the way she talked to the cast, the way she responded to some of Andy's questions. Some of her answers didn't make sense -- you could see Andy thought she was crazy.

TRav looks like an old man.

I agree with all of this. When they showed the clip of her dismissing Landon with the F#%$ off and the dismissive wave of her hand it just emphasized how frequently that is her go to phrase when people call her on things. She loves to do that hand wave/obscenity combo as the answer to everything. She's a nutter with substance abuse problems. I do feel very sorry for their children because dad's no better.

Cameron and Shep are the only sane ones. Shep may be a stunted frat boy, but he's smart and basically seems very nice if immature. Cameron is perfectly normal and I respect her for not getting more drawn into the TRav/ Katherine mess. She may be a bit boring as a result, but that's fine. I find her observations to be true and pretty funny.

I am amazed at the number of people who defend Katherine. Can someone please share what you find her good qualities to be?

It's not that I think she has some great qualities. I don't, really. But she's not so much worse than most of the rest of them and I don't like hypocrites, or people who are unkind to others. Cameran wasn't exactly a model of refinement when she was on Real World as a young 20-something. Landon is every bit as unemployed as Kathryn. Pat and Whitney are every bit as financially dependent on others as Kathryn (Pat "earned" her money through some strategic marriages, and Whitney is the beneficiary of her "talent"). I bet Pat wasn't at home tucking in wee Whitney every night, abstaining from alcohol and cooking his meals and giving him each bath. She gets a pass why? Because she has superior manners, because she managed to get married to a wealthy man before having his child, because her family could pay for "help" so that she could be a socialite attending parties while someone else tended her child? And Shep is every bit as sexually promiscuous as Kathryn and just as irresponsible with birth control. And Thomas is every bit (if not more) unstable and addicted to substances.

I tend to favor underdogs. I realize Kathryn made and continues to make bad decisions that have put her in the position she's in, but I don't think it's right to kick someone when they're down or to relish in someone else's collapse, even if your judgement of that person is being vindicated. That's just small, petty, and mean. There is nothing genteel about the way Pat, Whitney, JD, Landon, Cameran talk about Kathryn. She is a young 20-something who just had two babies in quick succession with a man who is mentally unstable, yet powerful and wealthy enough to carry through on his threats to ruin her life. Bad, bad choice, compounded by more bad choices on her part. But I have empathy for her. I was pretty dumb and irresponsible at her age. Not as dumb, nor as irresponsible. But still, I was no virgin tettotaller. If pot weren't illegal, I'd still partake. I have almost two decades of maturity on Kathryn, but I recognize that I may not have made the same choices I make now (such as forgoing illegal substances I once enjoyed for fear of jail and loss of custody) if I were single and hanging out with the circle of single partying friends I had at 20 and I had two nannies to leave the kids safely with for a night on the town. If Kathryn were independently wealthy (from family money) and more polished, or if she were a man, I don't think she's be subject to the same criticism as she is. All the criticism reads to me more like snobbishness/sexism rather than genuine concern for Kathryn, Thomas, or their kids.

If all Kathryn did was make some poor choices, that would be one thing. But she makes poor choices AND acts like a complete raving lunatic bitch to everyone who crosses her path and dares to question her choices. I wont' get into each of your points one-by-one but just to take one example, maybe Shep is as promiscuous as Kathryn (no maybe about it, I'd say) but someone in his couplings is being responsible about birth control since there aren't little sheps toddling around. And yes, others try to marry for money (Patricia, looking at you) but they maybe act like sane human beings during that process? Just sayin' that Kathryn appears to be an absolute horror show so she is judged as such. There are lots of single moms out there who are civil and don't run around rolling their eyes and telling everyone to fuck off.

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If all Kathryn did was make some poor choices, that would be one thing. But she makes poor choices AND acts like a complete raving lunatic bitch to everyone who crosses her path and dares to question her choices. I wont' get into each of your points one-by-one but just to take one example, maybe Shep is as promiscuous as Kathryn (no maybe about it, I'd say) but someone in his couplings is being responsible about birth control since there aren't little sheps toddling around. And yes, others try to marry for money (Patricia, looking at you) but they maybe act like sane human beings during that process? Just sayin' that Kathryn appears to be an absolute horror show so she is judged as such. There are lots of single moms out there who are civil and don't run around rolling their eyes and telling everyone to fuck off.

I agree with this post. However, I think she has severe mental problems that need attention, so I don't think it's nice for the other cast members to pile on. A previous poster hit it on the head when they said Thomas was "gas lighting" her. He is a bad person who is exploiting Kathryn's mental problems.

I feel sorry for Kathryn.

I don't feel sorry at all for Whitney, Landon, Cameran. They act like victims, and in the same breath abuse Kathryn.

Patricia is a pathetic old hag. And by the way, wasn't particularly good looking in her youth.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised at all of the people who thought Kathryn came off so well during the reunion. I thought the exact opposite. She came off as a loon. All of the horrible facial expressions, the way she talked to the cast, the way she responded to some of Andy's questions. Some of her answers didn't make sense -- you could see Andy thought she was crazy.

TRav looks like an old man.

Completely agree.

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Anonymous wrote:I felt badly for Thomas, who is clearly just trying to keep calm and disengage with Kathryn.
His children are in the hands of a lunatic half the time, and when he plays nice with Kathryn, she seems to play nice back.
He was head down, quiet during much of the interview and smartly so.
I really, really hope she does right by her children.

You've got to be kidding. He is 50+ and spews cursing, hateful words to the mother of his children on twitter.

He's playing nice because he cheated on the drug test and she knows it. He's a felon, an alcoholic and a drug dealer and an addict.

He plays petty, childish games with Katherine- such as taking Landon on a Valentine's vacation that Katherine and Thomas had originally planned together.

He talks about wanting to spend time with his children when the people taking care of the children while he has them are the 2 nannies while he plays polo and drinks.

He has some sort of personality disorder for sure.

It is really sad that those kids had to be born into this situation, but my hopes are that Katherine is young and can turn her life around and hopefully keep a distance from that train wreck baby daddy she is going to have to deal with.

Nah. Thomas isn't stupid and has the money to pay for the right legal counsel. He knew this test would be coming and just stopped doing drugs for a bit. Remember he's been down this road before with drugs. He knows how to time a test.

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agree with pp. Thomas is a snake. don't care what his "pedigree is" means nothing to me.

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If the likes of Thomas, Patricia, Whitney, Camaron are
"more than" me,
then I have don't want to me "more than" I am.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised at all of the people who thought Kathryn came off so well during the reunion. I thought the exact opposite. She came off as a loon. All of the horrible facial expressions, the way she talked to the cast, the way she responded to some of Andy's questions. Some of her answers didn't make sense -- you could see Andy thought she was crazy.

TRav looks like an old man.

Completely agree.

Completely disagree. *Mostly because I'm not an elitist.*

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Anonymous wrote:All of them are major losers. Patricia and Whitney are the biggest losers of all of them.

At least Kathryn can say she is young, maybe turn her life around.

Can't stand Cameron. So fake.

Why are they losers? Because they call Kathryn out on her lies and shenanigans?

I actually think Cameran seems very nice - almost too nice - especially to Kathryn. They've got nothing in common and have taken totally opposite paths in life. I think the fact that she didn't want to have a pretend relationship with Kathryn was very admirable.

Patricia has multiple failed marriages. Made money from being a gold digger. Has no relation to the lee family, stole their heirlooms.
Her only legacy is a 55 year old loser named Whitney. He runs around with a tweener haircut playing his guitar like he is some sort of rock star. Gag. No wonder he can't stay in a relationship.

Cameron is boring. Who cares about her therapy sessions. Zzzzzz

Landon is a terrible person, but interesting to watch.

Whitney is 48. (Not that there is anything wrong with us 55-year olds.)

I love Patricia. She is intelligent, witty and fun. I would love to hang out with her!

I don't know about the stolen heirloom stuff, but the person who said it doesn't seem to be the most reliable source.

Hi Whitney!!

That is such a lame post. It's up there with "hit a nerve." You really need to work harder in the "clever" department.

Wow! looks like I hit a nerve there, Whitney. Calm down son. Go back to playing your music darling.

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Anonymous wrote:If the likes of Thomas, Patricia, Whitney, Camaron are
"more than" me,
then I have don't want to me "more than" I am.

How did you google your way here Kathryn?

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Yes, I know Kathryn has her issues, but I feel for her. She's a very young woman, thrust in the spotlight, with some pretty substantial emotional/mental issues. She's ill equipped for the show. I just want her to get some space and work on herself and her children. I don't think she realizes how bad she needs this for herself.

And yes, I know the spotlight and her actions and all of her own making. But she's young. And not quite balanced, so I'm not sure she'll can help this.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised at all of the people who thought Kathryn came off so well during the reunion. I thought the exact opposite. She came off as a loon. All of the horrible facial expressions, the way she talked to the cast, the way she responded to some of Andy's questions. Some of her answers didn't make sense -- you could see Andy thought she was crazy.

TRav looks like an old man.

I agree with all of this. When they showed the clip of her dismissing Landon with the F#%$ off and the dismissive wave of her hand it just emphasized how frequently that is her go to phrase when people call her on things. She loves to do that hand wave/obscenity combo as the answer to everything. She's a nutter with substance abuse problems. I do feel very sorry for their children because dad's no better.

Cameron and Shep are the only sane ones. Shep may be a stunted frat boy, but he's smart and basically seems very nice if immature. Cameron is perfectly normal and I respect her for not getting more drawn into the TRav/ Katherine mess. She may be a bit boring as a result, but that's fine. I find her observations to be true and pretty funny.

I am amazed at the number of people who defend Katherine. Can someone please share what you find her good qualities to be?

It's not that I think she has some great qualities. I don't, really. But she's not so much worse than most of the rest of them and I don't like hypocrites, or people who are unkind to others. Cameran wasn't exactly a model of refinement when she was on Real World as a young 20-something. Landon is every bit as unemployed as Kathryn. Pat and Whitney are every bit as financially dependent on others as Kathryn (Pat "earned" her money through some strategic marriages, and Whitney is the beneficiary of her "talent"). I bet Pat wasn't at home tucking in wee Whitney every night, abstaining from alcohol and cooking his meals and giving him each bath. She gets a pass why? Because she has superior manners, because she managed to get married to a wealthy man before having his child, because her family could pay for "help" so that she could be a socialite attending parties while someone else tended her child? And Shep is every bit as sexually promiscuous as Kathryn and just as irresponsible with birth control. And Thomas is every bit (if not more) unstable and addicted to substances.

I tend to favor underdogs. I realize Kathryn made and continues to make bad decisions that have put her in the position she's in, but I don't think it's right to kick someone when they're down or to relish in someone else's collapse, even if your judgement of that person is being vindicated. That's just small, petty, and mean. There is nothing genteel about the way Pat, Whitney, JD, Landon, Cameran talk about Kathryn. She is a young 20-something who just had two babies in quick succession with a man who is mentally unstable, yet powerful and wealthy enough to carry through on his threats to ruin her life. Bad, bad choice, compounded by more bad choices on her part. But I have empathy for her. I was pretty dumb and irresponsible at her age. Not as dumb, nor as irresponsible. But still, I was no virgin tettotaller. If pot weren't illegal, I'd still partake. I have almost two decades of maturity on Kathryn, but I recognize that I may not have made the same choices I make now (such as forgoing illegal substances I once enjoyed for fear of jail and loss of custody) if I were single and hanging out with the circle of single partying friends I had at 20 and I had two nannies to leave the kids safely with for a night on the town. If Kathryn were independently wealthy (from family money) and more polished, or if she were a man, I don't think she's be subject to the same criticism as she is. All the criticism reads to me more like snobbishness/sexism rather than genuine concern for Kathryn, Thomas, or their kids.

If all Kathryn did was make some poor choices, that would be one thing. But she makes poor choices AND acts like a complete raving lunatic bitch to everyone who crosses her path and dares to question her choices. I wont' get into each of your points one-by-one but just to take one example, maybe Shep is as promiscuous as Kathryn (no maybe about it, I'd say) but someone in his couplings is being responsible about birth control since there aren't little sheps toddling around. And yes, others try to marry for money (Patricia, looking at you) but they maybe act like sane human beings during that process? Just sayin' that Kathryn appears to be an absolute horror show so she is judged as such. There are lots of single moms out there who are civil and don't run around rolling their eyes and telling everyone to fuck off.

Like most men, I would bet that he relies on the women in these scenarios, but I could be wrong. He did seem to have a moment of doubt when Kathryn had her first pregnancy scare that he "could" be the father, which is why I made the statement. I suppose he could have had his doubts even if he took all precautions. I don't actually dislike Shep. Of the group, he seems to be one of the more down-to-earth and aware of his extraordinary privilege.