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Oh you didn't see that, did you. You did, actually, as you posted a very mild response to that comment upthread. A more likely answer is that you are reluctant to criticize anyone who might be Muslim. So here you have your little Wahhabi buddy, pronouncing takfir on a good chunk of the world's Muslims, which is a very great sin in Islam, and it's kind of funny how you found not a single stern word for that poster. Might that be because you both come from an Al-Saud-funded, Bin-Baz-trained, Shia-hating, vicious strain of belief? The person who called your pet Hamza Yusuf a not-to-be-trusted Sufi is one of the last posters on the thread about reform. Still waiting for you to upbraid him or her with a modicum of passion you reserve for the kuffar who have the gall to challenge your platitudes. |
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I have not even seen all of his posts. I would have to find every post to determine whether, in my opinion, he committed any grave sin.
What I did see is you mocked him for something he has little or no control over. Immigrants (Muslim immigrants) rarely have a good command of English. Why pick on him for it? As for the christian crusader-evangelical, STD comment, all was apologized for. Sorry you can not accept the apology but its no longer something I need to address. Besides, SOME of the criticisms I noted are preventable and controllable. STDs are primarily preventable with abstinence. Islam demands abstinence before marriage. Evangelicals are identified by the CIA as extremists, the same as terrorists. Those who accused Muslims defending their faith of proselytizing in attempt to lure Christians to Islam may very well be evangelicals. Who else would accuse a Muslim of proselytizing simply because he corrects falsehoods and misconceptions? Its an extreme reaction and a weighty accusation for merely defending one's faith. As for the stereotype of women wearing mini skirts, excessively indulging in alcohol at bars, and the prevalence of STDS in American society, these were presented in response to islamophobes also painting Islam with a broad brush and implying Islam is a barbaric religion. Stereotypes are offensive to anyone. |
Anonymous
I am sorry, but your writing is not easy to absorb. It's the sesquipedalian loquaciousness that gives me a headache at times. It's pretentiousness disguised as intelligence. Think this through: did you ever consider that maybe I had not read all of immigrant pp's posts? Secondly, criticism is permitted in Islam. Takfir goes well beyond criticism. I would have to see his posts to determine if he committed it. Third, where did you get the idea I refrain from criticizing any Muslim, simply because they are Muslim? Lastly, I have never lived in Saudi Arabia and was not born there. Another false assumption. One more thing, where did you get the idea I do not accept Shia as Muslims? Shia are permitted to do Hajj in Mecca by the Saudi government. As such it follows that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia accepts shia as Muslim. You are trying to create hatred, divisiveness, and controversy. If that wasn't bad enough, your writing...sigh..please...stop. |
Anonymous
Is someone holding a gun to your head to read it?
Because you poured your wrath on non-Muslims who dared to criticize your statements about Islam, but said not a word to your takfiri buddies.
You don't need to live there to drink their Cool-Aid or read the religious studies bullshit they disseminate worldwide.
I have no idea what you do and do not accept. I laugh at your suggestion that the opinion of the kingdom of Saudi Arabia as to who is and is not a real Muslim means anything. You have a very bad case of the Al-Saud worship. Who the hell appointed Al-Saud in charge of deciding who is and is not a real Muslim? As for who is creating hatred, divisiveness and controversy, perhaps it's time for you to point your finger to t posters who called the Shia non-Muslims and the Sufis not deserving of trust. And yet you haven't said a single word to them, not even a mild reprimand that calling Shia non-Muslims is not right. I wonder why that is? |
Anonymous
The person with bad English and the takfiri dude are two different posters.
Who cares what Islam demands? People on DCUM don't care about meeting your religion's moral standards. And it doesn't demand abstinence before marriage, only chastity. Just for you, I'll break it down. Abstinence means hymen in place. Chastity means having sex only with people you're supposed to. A woman could have wild sex with her husband, have him drop dead from a heart attack, marry immediately after and proceed to have wild sex with husband #2, and all the turbans in the world won't raise any eyebrows.
You didn't call people evangelical crusaders for accusing you of prozelytizing, only for disagreeing with you. I know because I was one of them. Besides, you say "correcting falsehoods," I say "whitewashing." Meh.
Not really. You reached out for those because those are typical ways in which conservative Muslims criticize non-Muslims, especially non-Muslim women. I've seen these talking points before - you don't think you're original, are you? No one said anything about Muslims as people. |
Anonymous
Ahaha, I remember your so-called "apology"! You apologized for saying that *all* American women had STDs because, apparently, you really just meant to direct that comment to the American women on that thread. Only when somebody pointed that out did you issue a second, more comprehensive, apology. Where did anybody call Islam "barbaric"? Please give a cite for this. Oh wait, nobody actually called Islam "barbaric." They merely disagreed with you about whether "women's equality" can encompass legal inequality. They disagreed with you on some other points of opinion. There's a big difference, which you still can't grasp, between islamophobia and disagreeing with you. Also. Your insistence that that poster must be an immigrant is just as bad as mocking his language. First, how do you know he's an immigrant? Second, your assumption that he's an immigrant (and that's why his language is bad!) is just another way of saying, hey, his language is bad. It's a distinction without a difference. FWIW, I've wondered if you're proselytizing, although I don't think I committed my musings to type. Why have I wondered if you're proselytizing? For the obvious reason that your overly-simplified platitudes seem straight out of the dawwah proselytizing book. But I assure you, I am NOT an evangelical. In any case, I'm still waiting, with the other PP, for you to address that poster's unabashed trashing of western women, shias and sufis. What, nothing but crickets from you and Muslima about whether Yusuf and shiites are untrustworthy? Instead, you're back here resurrecting tired, old battles about the people you wrongly label islamophobes. |
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Apropos - what the government of Saudi Arabia REALLY thinks about non-Muslims.
https://freedomhouse.org/sites/default/files/TextbooksArabicExcerpts.pdf I find page 55 particularly endearing. This is what all schoolkids in KSA are being taught. |
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| 16:59 here. Just to be clear, I'm not 16:48 or 16:55. There seem to be 2-3 of us who take offense at Muslim PP's dishonest characterization of her previous tired, old battles here. And two-three of us who wonder why she doesn't vent similar ire on the Muslim who told us not to trust Shias and Sufis. |
Anonymous
Yikes. Assigning schoolkids an essay about the enduring battle that Muslims must wage against Christians and Jews. |
Anonymous
Do a search on how much blood money is due for killing a Muslim man vs. non-Muslim man vs. Muslim woman vs. non-Muslim woman and weep. |
Anonymous
Whoops, caught you lying again. You say you didn't see that post? You replied to it, and you confirmed the views expressed in it. Liar. And we know it's you - who else is accusing me of being disconnected with "my audience"? |
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OP:
What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow? |
Anonymous
As to how much money Saudi officials have spent since the early 1970s to promote Wahhabism worldwide, David D. Aufhauser, a former Treasury Department general counsel, told a Senate committee in June 2004 that estimates went "north of $75 billion." The money financed the construction of thousands of mosques, schools and Islamic centers, the employment of at least 9,000 proselytizers and the printing of millions of books of religious instruction. Saudi's hide the charity budget now. see http://www.islamicpluralism.org/532/al-qaeda-other-terror-groups-swim-in-global-sea-of-saudi |
Anonymous
If a Muslim on any thread does not like what people of another sect are doing, it is their prerogative to criticize it. Shia Muslims do engage in behavior that may be antithetical to islamic principles, but that does not make them nonMuslim. |
Anonymous
Again - why are you complaining about reading stuff no one forced you to read?
You respond to posts without knowing them? I copied your response to the post calling Shias non-Muslims.
When someone calls a Muslim a non-Muslim, is it criticism or takfir?
You didn't. You tried. But you failed.
There is no shame in spelling mistakes, or in being a Pakistani (you little bigot you), for that matter. Everyone makes spelling mistakes. You've just typed "Muhammad's relegations" two lines above. Did you mean "relegations"? Or "revelations"? Do you see me making a stink about it? And since you're getting all picky about spelling, it is my pleasure to share with you the correct spelling that is "IslamOphobe", not "IslamAphobe", as you prefer to write it. And what about your maths refresher? What is greater - 25 thousand or a hundred thousand?
The hatred and sectarianism of Al-Saud is well known. Letting people into Mecca is not the end-all be-all of Muslimness. Al-Saud spreads hate about all non-Wahhabi Muslims in the writings it disseminates worldwide, in their schoolbooks used by many Islamic schools worldwide, and through their discriminatory, bigoted policies toward non-Wahhabi Muslims within the country.
I'm gonna give you a crash course on what is criticism and what is takfir. "Shias are bad Muslims." = criticism "Shias are non-Muslims." = takfir All better now? |