NYT Times interview with Brian Kohlberger’s sister

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Anonymous wrote:Horrible to say, but this thread is making me think the Reiners were lucky their son killed them instead of random people. Imagine the emotional pain, the recriminations, the loss of their legacy as people speculated "what they were hiding and could have done."

The Reiners were not in complete denial about him. The Kohbergers are gross. Blowing out the candles on his birthday since they can’t be with them? Who says that part out loud? Dysfunction through and through.

I don't understand how that is dysfunctional or gross.

She’s talking to the NY Times. She didn’t think how that would come across? Lack of self awareness seems to be a family trait.

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Anonymous wrote:Not understanding the hate for BK family. Even if he was a weirdo and possibly violent wtf were they supposed to do about it? You can’t jail a psychopath prior to the crime. And it’s debatable his parents had any clue since the people article mentions he called his mother regularly so not sure that him chatting with her on the phone that day proves absolutely anything. The judgment here is disgusting.

Don't be naive. It was 6am. Of course she knew. It's understandable they didn't know what would happen, but they certainly knew it after it happened.

He apparently frequently called his mom as early as 4 am. I think it's odd behavior, but it doesn't sound like it was out of the ordinary for him at all.

+1, he was obviously a troubled guy who engaged in some strange or frustrating behavior, but it's wild some people seem to to think that if you had a son call you at 6am, your first thought would be "oh my kid you murdered someone." Of course it wouldn't be, even if you knew your son had problems.

The sister explains that the killer had troubles galore (including heroin addiction), but had never been violent.

I'm no criminal psychologist, but the nature of the murder doesn't strike me as the type that would come from someone openly violent in everyday life.

The sister is also not a criminal psychologist. She's not an FBI profiler. She's a mental health counselor. It didn't occur to her that her brother, who had never hurt anyone before, would murder four people in cold blood. In fact her first response upon hearing about the murders was to worry that her brother, who sometimes doesn't have it all that together, might be targeted by the person who murdered people near his home. That is the most normal and predictable response if your totally non-violent brother lived near the site of a violent murder.

There have been other murders where the family *did* suspect their family member pretty early on. In those cases, there is almost always a violent history with the family member. In most cases the family member will have threatened or even harmed someone else in the family before. There is often a criminal history of assault or DV.

But you are telling me that if a family member who had never done anything violent before, ever (and the fact that Brian had no history of violence is backed up not only by his family but by friends, classmates, teachers, school records, employers, etc.) lived near the scene of a violent murder and drove an extremely common car that had some features in common with the killer's car, you would assume the family member was the murderer?

I do not think you would.

This totally non violent brother was arrested for stealing her phone for drugs and had been in and out of rehab for a heroin addiction. He’s not your average brother. Also called his parents “Mother” and “Father”. Something was very off about him.

I am the PP. I have a brother with addiction issues. He has some unhealthy and weird habits and I am aware he has mental health issues. But he has never yelled at me, tried to physically harm me, or done either of those to anyone in our family or to anyone else that I know of.

I feel like you don't understand how many people have the exact problems this guy had and never hurt anyone. The world is full of troubled people and most of them never even commit assault much less a cold-blooded murder of four strangers. It would never occur to me that anyone I knew had done this specific crime.

Nobody is saying that people with this profile will hurt someone. But the fact that this guy, with all his baggage, acted so strangely around that time. Odd phone calls, needing to leave ASAP, hide the car, some people might get suspicious if you were being honest.

But your additional “proof” the family should have know or did know is y a tialj true, so wha now? I would wager there were many many aloof and weird brothers with a history of drug use in the 2 miles surrounding the terrible crimes. Do you think all the families of those men should have suspected their previously no violent offense brothers?

Not that drove white Elantras. And not who suddenly wanted to get their Elantra out of town right after the police announced they were looking for one.

And again, I still view violent history as a negative signal. This never looked like a set of murders from a person with an openly violent history.

Again, this did NOT happen. He told his family about his plan to drive home and pick up stuff MONTHS in advance. He planned to drive it back again! I genuinely do not understand why people think driving a car across the country is the best way to HIDE it. He LITERALLY got stopped by police en route!

Is that true? That would change my thoughts on this if it is. Where did you see the drive was planned for months?

Also, I think you're going down the wrong track regarding the risk. Under the circumstances, they didn't seem to know whose car they were looking for. Yes, if they have a plate number, driving it cross country would be a terrible idea. But that wasn't the risk. The risk was that police in the Moscow/Pullman area would see the white Elantra, run the plates, and add him to a list of people to dig into.

So, a white Elantra appearing in, say, South Dakota, doesn't mean anything. But a white Elantra in the Pullman/Moscow area would be significant.

NP, but yes, the part about the drive being planned in advance is true, or at least that's what was reported elsewhere. The cops already had a list of white Elantras registered to addresses in the area. The argument only makes sense if he didn't already live in the vicinity or the car was borrowed or a rental. The easiest way to "hide" the car would have been to leave it parked in a garage, but I just don't think "hiding" the car was ever an option.

Except he changed the car registration shortly after the murders and it was a suspicious parking attendant that brought it up to police that there was an Elantra but with Washington plates. So…maybe was trying to hide it that way. In plain sight.

I mean why not just dump the car, seems easier.

I mean, they ended up arresting him when they did because it looked like he was cleaning out the car in the middle of the night. That might have been the plan.

But, and he probably knew it, at that point the main damage had already been done. For Kohberger, the main problem with the car is that it put him on the police's radar by simply owning it.

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Anonymous wrote:Horrible to say, but this thread is making me think the Reiners were lucky their son killed them instead of random people. Imagine the emotional pain, the recriminations, the loss of their legacy as people speculated "what they were hiding and could have done."

The Reiners were not in complete denial about him. The Kohbergers are gross. Blowing out the candles on his birthday since they can’t be with them? Who says that part out loud? Dysfunction through and through.

I don't understand how that is dysfunctional or gross.

She’s talking to the NY Times. She didn’t think how that would come across? Lack of self awareness seems to be a family trait.

It comes across to me as a family trying to cling to some kind of normalcy even though they'll never have a "normal" family event again. It just sounds sad.

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Anonymous wrote:Horrible to say, but this thread is making me think the Reiners were lucky their son killed them instead of random people. Imagine the emotional pain, the recriminations, the loss of their legacy as people speculated "what they were hiding and could have done."

The Reiners were not in complete denial about him. The Kohbergers are gross. Blowing out the candles on his birthday since they can’t be with them? Who says that part out loud? Dysfunction through and through.

I don't understand how that is dysfunctional or gross.

She’s talking to the NY Times. She didn’t think how that would come across? Lack of self awareness seems to be a family trait.

It comes across to me as a family trying to cling to some kind of normalcy even though they'll never have a "normal" family event again. It just sounds sad.

They really should have just said nothing. It’s too soon. Like the Klebold family until the mom wrote her book. But for a long while nobody wants to hear from the family of the killer.

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I wonder how many tens of thousands the family paid a crisis manager to come up with this whole narrative and article. I found the sister reasonably sympathetic and sort of agreed and understood the idea of still commemorating birthdays and sending support to her brother (because as the prisoner's family, that's their job, something no one else in the universe will care to do, understandably). But even still, it seems like changing her name and living a quiet life would be better.

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Anonymous wrote:Not understanding the hate for BK family. Even if he was a weirdo and possibly violent wtf were they supposed to do about it? You can’t jail a psychopath prior to the crime. And it’s debatable his parents had any clue since the people article mentions he called his mother regularly so not sure that him chatting with her on the phone that day proves absolutely anything. The judgment here is disgusting.

Don't be naive. It was 6am. Of course she knew. It's understandable they didn't know what would happen, but they certainly knew it after it happened.

He apparently frequently called his mom as early as 4 am. I think it's odd behavior, but it doesn't sound like it was out of the ordinary for him at all.

+1, he was obviously a troubled guy who engaged in some strange or frustrating behavior, but it's wild some people seem to to think that if you had a son call you at 6am, your first thought would be "oh my kid you murdered someone." Of course it wouldn't be, even if you knew your son had problems.

The sister explains that the killer had troubles galore (including heroin addiction), but had never been violent.

I'm no criminal psychologist, but the nature of the murder doesn't strike me as the type that would come from someone openly violent in everyday life.

The sister is also not a criminal psychologist. She's not an FBI profiler. She's a mental health counselor. It didn't occur to her that her brother, who had never hurt anyone before, would murder four people in cold blood. In fact her first response upon hearing about the murders was to worry that her brother, who sometimes doesn't have it all that together, might be targeted by the person who murdered people near his home. That is the most normal and predictable response if your totally non-violent brother lived near the site of a violent murder.

There have been other murders where the family *did* suspect their family member pretty early on. In those cases, there is almost always a violent history with the family member. In most cases the family member will have threatened or even harmed someone else in the family before. There is often a criminal history of assault or DV.

But you are telling me that if a family member who had never done anything violent before, ever (and the fact that Brian had no history of violence is backed up not only by his family but by friends, classmates, teachers, school records, employers, etc.) lived near the scene of a violent murder and drove an extremely common car that had some features in common with the killer's car, you would assume the family member was the murderer?

I do not think you would.

This totally non violent brother was arrested for stealing her phone for drugs and had been in and out of rehab for a heroin addiction. He’s not your average brother. Also called his parents “Mother” and “Father”. Something was very off about him.

I am the PP. I have a brother with addiction issues. He has some unhealthy and weird habits and I am aware he has mental health issues. But he has never yelled at me, tried to physically harm me, or done either of those to anyone in our family or to anyone else that I know of.

I feel like you don't understand how many people have the exact problems this guy had and never hurt anyone. The world is full of troubled people and most of them never even commit assault much less a cold-blooded murder of four strangers. It would never occur to me that anyone I knew had done this specific crime.

Nobody is saying that people with this profile will hurt someone. But the fact that this guy, with all his baggage, acted so strangely around that time. Odd phone calls, needing to leave ASAP, hide the car, some people might get suspicious if you were being honest.

But your additional “proof” the family should have know or did know is y a tialj true, so wha now? I would wager there were many many aloof and weird brothers with a history of drug use in the 2 miles surrounding the terrible crimes. Do you think all the families of those men should have suspected their previously no violent offense brothers?

Not that drove white Elantras. And not who suddenly wanted to get their Elantra out of town right after the police announced they were looking for one.

And again, I still view violent history as a negative signal. This never looked like a set of murders from a person with an openly violent history.

Again, this did NOT happen. He told his family about his plan to drive home and pick up stuff MONTHS in advance. He planned to drive it back again! I genuinely do not understand why people think driving a car across the country is the best way to HIDE it. He LITERALLY got stopped by police en route!

Is that true? That would change my thoughts on this if it is. Where did you see the drive was planned for months?

Also, I think you're going down the wrong track regarding the risk. Under the circumstances, they didn't seem to know whose car they were looking for. Yes, if they have a plate number, driving it cross country would be a terrible idea. But that wasn't the risk. The risk was that police in the Moscow/Pullman area would see the white Elantra, run the plates, and add him to a list of people to dig into.

So, a white Elantra appearing in, say, South Dakota, doesn't mean anything. But a white Elantra in the Pullman/Moscow area would be significant.

NP, but yes, the part about the drive being planned in advance is true, or at least that's what was reported elsewhere. The cops already had a list of white Elantras registered to addresses in the area. The argument only makes sense if he didn't already live in the vicinity or the car was borrowed or a rental. The easiest way to "hide" the car would have been to leave it parked in a garage, but I just don't think "hiding" the car was ever an option.

Except he changed the car registration shortly after the murders and it was a suspicious parking attendant that brought it up to police that there was an Elantra but with Washington plates. So…maybe was trying to hide it that way. In plain sight.

He had moved there over the summer from PA. In my state you only have a few months to get new plates, so he was supposed to update the car registration and plates. Also, why would WA plates on a car in a apartment building in WA make the parking employee suspicious?

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For you geniuses who can’t fathom that the family didn’t predict their son/brother would becomw a mass murderer—
Even if they could have predicted —good luck getting help…read about what parents of children who are actual KNOWN psychopaths (though term reserved for adults but showing signs of psychopathy as children) deal with….maybe educate yourselves and idk… don’t throw stones? Glass houses and all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

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Anonymous wrote:For you geniuses who can’t fathom that the family didn’t predict their son/brother would becomw a mass murderer—
Even if they could have predicted —good luck getting help…read about what parents of children who are actual KNOWN psychopaths (though term reserved for adults but showing signs of psychopathy as children) deal with….maybe educate yourselves and idk… don’t throw stones? Glass houses and all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

Don’t throw stones? You frantic posters keep giving yourselves away. Much sympathy for the Kohbergs but not a peep about the actual victims.

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Anonymous wrote:For you geniuses who can’t fathom that the family didn’t predict their son/brother would becomw a mass murderer—
Even if they could have predicted —good luck getting help…read about what parents of children who are actual KNOWN psychopaths (though term reserved for adults but showing signs of psychopathy as children) deal with….maybe educate yourselves and idk… don’t throw stones? Glass houses and all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

Don’t throw stones? You frantic posters keep giving yourselves away. Much sympathy for the Kohbergs but not a peep about the actual victims.

That wouldn't make for much of an interesting thread; of course everyone has sympathy for the victims. That literally goes without saying for most people.

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Anonymous wrote:For you geniuses who can’t fathom that the family didn’t predict their son/brother would becomw a mass murderer—
Even if they could have predicted —good luck getting help…read about what parents of children who are actual KNOWN psychopaths (though term reserved for adults but showing signs of psychopathy as children) deal with….maybe educate yourselves and idk… don’t throw stones? Glass houses and all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

Don’t throw stones? You frantic posters keep giving yourselves away. Much sympathy for the Kohbergs but not a peep about the actual victims.

That wouldn't make for much of an interesting thread; of course everyone has sympathy for the victims. That literally goes without saying for most people.

Not really. I remember people criticizing the more outspoken parents of the girls, the Goncalves family in particular. But people in here are acting extremely defensive. We can only wonder why.

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Ooh if I was that reporter, here are the questions I’d ask her:

Did your brother tell you why he did it?

Over the holidays, did he show any sign of guilt, sadness, stress? Or was he the same as he’s always been?

Did you ask your mom what she and he talked about in the hours after the murders?

Does he feel any remorse for what he did?

Are you mad at him for basically ruining your parents’ lives?

Did the reporter not ask these questions or did she not want to answer them???

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Anonymous wrote:For you geniuses who can’t fathom that the family didn’t predict their son/brother would becomw a mass murderer—
Even if they could have predicted —good luck getting help…read about what parents of children who are actual KNOWN psychopaths (though term reserved for adults but showing signs of psychopathy as children) deal with….maybe educate yourselves and idk… don’t throw stones? Glass houses and all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

Don’t throw stones? You frantic posters keep giving yourselves away. Much sympathy for the Kohbergs but not a peep about the actual victims.

That wouldn't make for much of an interesting thread; of course everyone has sympathy for the victims. That literally goes without saying for most people.

Really? You just don't share sympathy or empathy for victims because it "goes without saying?" You sound like the poster that doesn't think anyone should be hospitalized or kept away from the public because the rights of the mentally ill are the most important. .

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Anonymous wrote:Horrible to say, but this thread is making me think the Reiners were lucky their son killed them instead of random people. Imagine the emotional pain, the recriminations, the loss of their legacy as people speculated "what they were hiding and could have done."

The Reiners were not in complete denial about him. The Kohbergers are gross. Blowing out the candles on his birthday since they can’t be with them? Who says that part out loud? Dysfunction through and through.

I don't understand how that is dysfunctional or gross.

She’s talking to the NY Times. She didn’t think how that would come across? Lack of self awareness seems to be a family trait.

Brian Kohlberger did a horrible thing. But families of people like this can still love them and grieve the loss of the person they thought they knew. Their entire history with him is not erased.

So many of you are so devoid of humanity. You seem unable to see the family of this person as ordinary people who have also lost something.

Frankly, you hateful jerks are super weird if you have no connection to the victims. It's like you think you are part of the story. You're not. Grow up and grow some decency. There but for the Grace of God go you.

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Anonymous wrote:For you geniuses who can’t fathom that the family didn’t predict their son/brother would becomw a mass murderer—
Even if they could have predicted —good luck getting help…read about what parents of children who are actual KNOWN psychopaths (though term reserved for adults but showing signs of psychopathy as children) deal with….maybe educate yourselves and idk… don’t throw stones? Glass houses and all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

Don’t throw stones? You frantic posters keep giving yourselves away. Much sympathy for the Kohbergs but not a peep about the actual victims.

That wouldn't make for much of an interesting thread; of course everyone has sympathy for the victims. That literally goes without saying for most people.

Really? You just don't share sympathy or empathy for victims because it "goes without saying?" You sound like the poster that doesn't think anyone should be hospitalized or kept away from the public because the rights of the mentally ill are the most important. .

DP. You are perhaps one of the most stupid people I have encountered on DCUM. Of course it goes without saying. What is wrong with you?

And no one has said the rights of the mentally ill are most important, but neither can they be discounted.

Are you always so unable to think with nuance? No critical thinking skills whatsoever, huh.

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Anonymous wrote:For you geniuses who can’t fathom that the family didn’t predict their son/brother would becomw a mass murderer—
Even if they could have predicted —good luck getting help…read about what parents of children who are actual KNOWN psychopaths (though term reserved for adults but showing signs of psychopathy as children) deal with….maybe educate yourselves and idk… don’t throw stones? Glass houses and all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

Don’t throw stones? You frantic posters keep giving yourselves away. Much sympathy for the Kohbergs but not a peep about the actual victims.

That wouldn't make for much of an interesting thread; of course everyone has sympathy for the victims. That literally goes without saying for most people.

Not really. I remember people criticizing the more outspoken parents of the girls, the Goncalves family in particular. But people in here are acting extremely defensive. We can only wonder why.

+1 Their concern is more for the treatment and understanding of those who commit violent acts than their victims.