American Women Are Giving Up on Marriage (Wall Street Journal)

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Anonymous wrote:Overall marriage and children are indeed a bad deal for majority of women.

How old are you? You sound like you are young enough to still believe that climbing the corporate ladder has some inherent value or is worth doing in and of itself.

Do men believe that? maybe men should be told to stop climbing the corporate ladder and stay home with their kids.

Men and women are different and the things typically valued in mate selection are different for each. Part of the reason for a lot of the current strife is this weird impulse to try and treat men and women as exactly the same. It never has been and never will be.

lol keep thinking that - that’s the path to total demographic collapse. It never ceases to amaze that men will fret about the fertility rate but refuse to look in the mirror …

You are disputing that men and women are different? Oh dear...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Overall marriage and children are indeed a bad deal for majority of women.

How old are you? You sound like you are young enough to still believe that climbing the corporate ladder has some inherent value or is worth doing in and of itself.

You sound like you have a trust fund and never had to work a day in your life. Many women don’t want to climb the corporate ladder, but they do want to have career advancement so they can have security, save money, retire one day, have things like good health insurance.

Crazy right!?!!! Why can’t they just be happy depending on a man for that, taking the chance that his addiction, his affairs, or his mental health won’t take a turn, and he’ll be able to support them forever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They've shown that men still do fewer chores even in households where women earn more.

I personally know three different women where they by far out earn their husbands but their husbands aren't picking up any slack at home. One ended up divorced, one I think is on the verge of it.

This. Women have been scammed and are voting with their feet. Feminism was supposed to mean that you could care for your home and children - AND IF YOU WANTED TO BECAUES YOU HAD THE BURNING INTELLECTUAL PASSION FOR SOMETHING - have a career. Instead it has come to mean that you must take care of all child/home/food tasks and bust your hump at some draining 50 hour a week job. It's nothing more than a scam.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They've shown that men still do fewer chores even in households where women earn more.

I personally know three different women where they by far out earn their husbands but their husbands aren't picking up any slack at home. One ended up divorced, one I think is on the verge of it.

This. Women have been scammed and are voting with their feet. Feminism was supposed to mean that you could care for your home and children - AND IF YOU WANTED TO BECAUES YOU HAD THE BURNING INTELLECTUAL PASSION FOR SOMETHING - have a career. Instead it has come to mean that you must take care of all child/home/food tasks and bust your hump at some draining 50 hour a week job. It's nothing more than a scam.

Patriarchy had something to do with this, sure; but lets not ignore the role of capitalism. A relative few men are sucking up the value created by millions of workers. When women entered the workforce, not only didn't they get a fair cut of the fruits of their labor, the extra supply of labor they created also diminished the number of men getting a fair cut of their labor. The result is that households have to do more combined hours of paid labor to get by, there is less time for leisure, and a few men are amassing wealth the likes of which the world has never seen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Overall marriage and children are indeed a bad deal for majority of women.

How old are you? You sound like you are young enough to still believe that climbing the corporate ladder has some inherent value or is worth doing in and of itself.

You sound like you have a trust fund and never had to work a day in your life. Many women don’t want to climb the corporate ladder, but they do want to have career advancement so they can have security, save money, retire one day, have things like good health insurance.

Crazy right!?!!! Why can’t they just be happy depending on a man for that, taking the chance that his addiction, his affairs, or his mental health won’t take a turn, and he’ll be able to support them forever.

This actually works out just fine for some people:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:They've shown that men still do fewer chores even in households where women earn more.

I personally know three different women where they by far out earn their husbands but their husbands aren't picking up any slack at home. One ended up divorced, one I think is on the verge of it.

This. Women have been scammed and are voting with their feet. Feminism was supposed to mean that you could care for your home and children - AND IF YOU WANTED TO BECAUES YOU HAD THE BURNING INTELLECTUAL PASSION FOR SOMETHING - have a career. Instead it has come to mean that you must take care of all child/home/food tasks and bust your hump at some draining 50 hour a week job. It's nothing more than a scam.

Patriarchy had something to do with this, sure; but lets not ignore the role of capitalism. A relative few men are sucking up the value created by millions of workers. When women entered the workforce, not only didn't they get a fair cut of the fruits of their labor, the extra supply of labor they created also diminished the number of men getting a fair cut of their labor. The result is that households have to do more combined hours of paid labor to get by, there is less time for leisure, and a few men are amassing wealth the likes of which the world has never seen.

The irony of this is the women who complain the loudest about this overlap very heavily with the demographic of women who are wedded to corporate feminism and implicitly support the excesses of this rampant capitalism. They just unsatisfied with where they sit in the pantheon and care very little for what happens to women at the bottom of the economic rung.

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Other than a lucky or privileged minority, most of highly educated, hard working men or women in professional jobs can't make enough to give a family of four an upper middle class lifestyle in a HCOL city.

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Women's jobs are a necessity not a luxury.

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Capitalism has pushed society in a corner where most households can't survive on one income.

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Anonymous wrote:Those women are not settling for men who are not compatible, full partners. Nothing wrong with that. It sounds like if any of them met the right guy, they'd consider marriage.

But, doesn't that mean men are giving up too? The population of the U.S. is 50.5% female. If they aren't getting married, neither are men. Or is something going wrong with a large portion of the male population making them incompatible marriage partners?

Both genders are becoming increasingly unattractive to the other. You have more men growing up to be directionless incel losers, you have more women becoming fat and having delusional standards.

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Well put and I agree.

Can everyone see how phones and social media are largely behind these trends?

Social media has definitely been implicated in the whole incel mess (although I believe the number of so-called incels has been blown way out of proportion; there aren’t many of them).

80 to 90% of all dating women focusing on the top 10% of men is the result of dating apps, which instantly allow women to reject any man under 6 feet tall who makes under six-figures ($100,000 per year). The profiles of all those other men are never even seen.

Add to that the well-intentioned movement toward “fat acceptance.” While well-intentioned, it’s used as an excuse for both genders to be unhealthy and unfit, which is exactly the opposite of what FLOTUS Michelle Obama was trying to help us avoid: unhealthy, sedentary lifestyles.

This is a narrative being pushed by red pillers, men. This is not accurate to what most women say. It’s easier to blame women for not liking you for being 5’11” rather than admitting your horrendous personality drove them away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those women are not settling for men who are not compatible, full partners. Nothing wrong with that. It sounds like if any of them met the right guy, they'd consider marriage.

But, doesn't that mean men are giving up too? The population of the U.S. is 50.5% female. If they aren't getting married, neither are men. Or is something going wrong with a large portion of the male population making them incompatible marriage partners?

Both genders are becoming increasingly unattractive to the other. You have more men growing up to be directionless incel losers, you have more women becoming fat and having delusional standards.

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Well put and I agree.

Can everyone see how phones and social media are largely behind these trends?

Social media has definitely been implicated in the whole incel mess (although I believe the number of so-called incels has been blown way out of proportion; there aren’t many of them).

80 to 90% of all dating women focusing on the top 10% of men is the result of dating apps, which instantly allow women to reject any man under 6 feet tall who makes under six-figures ($100,000 per year). The profiles of all those other men are never even seen.

Add to that the well-intentioned movement toward “fat acceptance.” While well-intentioned, it’s used as an excuse for both genders to be unhealthy and unfit, which is exactly the opposite of what FLOTUS Michelle Obama was trying to help us avoid: unhealthy, sedentary lifestyles.

This is a narrative being pushed by red pillers, men. This is not accurate to what most women say. It’s easier to blame women for not liking you for being 5’11” rather than admitting your horrendous personality drove them away.

Rule #1: Don't listen to what women say, watch what they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm happily married but it does feel like men like my husband are the exception. My husband got a ton of crap for taking a month off even though I had to be hospitalized and was still very sick. And that's more than many Dads do.

I agree. I’m eternally grateful for my husband. If he were to pass, I don’t know if I’d even bother trying to date.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Women's jobs are a necessity not a luxury.

I also can't imagine viewing a job as a luxury. Imagine telling a man his job is just a silly little hobby.

I'm a lawyer, I out earn my husband slightly and I still get this attitude, particularly from older family members (including my own mom).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those women are not settling for men who are not compatible, full partners. Nothing wrong with that. It sounds like if any of them met the right guy, they'd consider marriage.

But, doesn't that mean men are giving up too? The population of the U.S. is 50.5% female. If they aren't getting married, neither are men. Or is something going wrong with a large portion of the male population making them incompatible marriage partners?

Both genders are becoming increasingly unattractive to the other. You have more men growing up to be directionless incel losers, you have more women becoming fat and having delusional standards.

. . . .

Well put and I agree.

Can everyone see how phones and social media are largely behind these trends?

Social media has definitely been implicated in the whole incel mess (although I believe the number of so-called incels has been blown way out of proportion; there aren’t many of them).

80 to 90% of all dating women focusing on the top 10% of men is the result of dating apps, which instantly allow women to reject any man under 6 feet tall who makes under six-figures ($100,000 per year). The profiles of all those other men are never even seen.

Add to that the well-intentioned movement toward “fat acceptance.” While well-intentioned, it’s used as an excuse for both genders to be unhealthy and unfit, which is exactly the opposite of what FLOTUS Michelle Obama was trying to help us avoid: unhealthy, sedentary lifestyles.

This is a narrative being pushed by red pillers, men. This is not accurate to what most women say. It’s easier to blame women for not liking you for being 5’11” rather than admitting your horrendous personality drove them away.

Rule #1: Don't listen to what women say, watch what they do.

dp.. the majority of women I know who are married aren't married to men with the 6/6/6. Maybe one or two of the 6 but not all 3.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t buy that women who have never married are focusing on the “unpaid labor” aspect. That’s more of an issue that arises in marriage later on, after kids arrive. I think the likelier explanations are increased working areas, fewer social interactions generally (we see this in studies of Americans having fewer and fewer friendships, some of which would of course lead to romance), economic instability and fewer college educated, emotionally stable and well paid eligible men. More than ever, women are looking for income and education in men.

You don’t think young women grow up in this dynamic? Seeing their working mom slave away while dad does $hit all sitting on the couch? Gmafb. You are not giving women enough credit here. Are you a man?