anyone know about the "Virginia Valor Fathers Day Fiesta" or the "FPYC Fathers Day Tournament"

[Anonymous]

Look, the people running this thing are just in it for the money. They don't care if your 8th grader gets hurt playing grown men or if your senior is embarrassed to face off against little middle schoolers or if your child's weak rec team gets humiliated 20-0 by all star teams three games in a row. They got their fees up front. They don't give a flying Fiesta.

What you paid already is a sunk cost. You can spend a miserable weekend sideline fuming at this trashy "tournament" or in the ER with an injured kid, or you can tell your coach this ain't what you signed up for and bail and enjoy your summer weekend.

Pointing out all the tournament failures makes zero difference when the people running it don't care.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Rec age groups are different. 2005s play U19.

https://www.sflsoccer.org/age-groups/

SFL doesn't exist any more.

Yes, and the NCSL - rec league adopted their policies including their age cutoffs for school year continuity. Do you have a point?

Lots of 2005s--HS seniors-- playing in rec U19 this spring.

Are you saying the NCSL-rec league has U16 teams that span two years? Fine, but then a physically slight, slow and unskilled eighth-grader would be unlikely to make an All-Star team, right?

I could see the point *if* a U16 coach with a bunch of young U15s decided to enter a rec team in an All-Star tournament with no alterations. But that's probably on the coach.

Basic issue here -- don't be too sure that "Club Name White" or "Club Name Coach Name" is the same team you're seeing in NCSL-rec or wherever. Clubs reuse those names for everything. You could face an "Arlington White" team that was assigned "White" as one of several NCSL-rec teams or "White" as one of a couple of All-Star teams. Or maybe there's a coach named "White."

If it's *your* team, OK.

So it really seems like less of a tournament issue and more of a "what has my coach/club entered us into?" question.

That said, it seems like the clubs that have tried to challenge FPYC for the Father's Day All-Star dollar have come up a day late and a dollar short. Remember the VYS tournament?

(And Vienna apparently hasn't gone back to doing a full-fledged across-the-board entry into FPYC. They've entered just one team in each of the older boys and girls age groups -- U16B, U16G, U19B, U19G. Meanwhile, Lee Mount Vernon has four NCSL teams and has entered four teams in the FPYC tournament.)

Yes, do you know nothing about local rec soccer teams? The age groups for the SFL/now NCSL are U13 (2011), U14 (2010), U16 (2009 and 2008) and U19 (2005, 2006. 2007).

SYA entered some of their regular rec teams in this tournament to try to help Valor's numbers out due to lack of interest in the tournament. Someone whose kid played on a regular, very weak rec team posted about it earlier implying their coach had been misled, and you can see it on the schedule. "SYA Cardinals" are always their All Star teams. SYA Coach Name are NCSL rec teams. Valor then mixed up the regular rec and All Star teams, and mixed up the age groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rec age groups are different. 2005s play U19.

https://www.sflsoccer.org/age-groups/

SFL doesn't exist any more.

Yes, and the NCSL - rec league adopted their policies including their age cutoffs for school year continuity. Do you have a point?

Lots of 2005s--HS seniors-- playing in rec U19 this spring.

Are you saying the NCSL-rec league has U16 teams that span two years? Fine, but then a physically slight, slow and unskilled eighth-grader would be unlikely to make an All-Star team, right?

I could see the point *if* a U16 coach with a bunch of young U15s decided to enter a rec team in an All-Star tournament with no alterations. But that's probably on the coach.

Basic issue here -- don't be too sure that "Club Name White" or "Club Name Coach Name" is the same team you're seeing in NCSL-rec or wherever. Clubs reuse those names for everything. You could face an "Arlington White" team that was assigned "White" as one of several NCSL-rec teams or "White" as one of a couple of All-Star teams. Or maybe there's a coach named "White."

If it's *your* team, OK.

So it really seems like less of a tournament issue and more of a "what has my coach/club entered us into?" question.

That said, it seems like the clubs that have tried to challenge FPYC for the Father's Day All-Star dollar have come up a day late and a dollar short. Remember the VYS tournament?

(And Vienna apparently hasn't gone back to doing a full-fledged across-the-board entry into FPYC. They've entered just one team in each of the older boys and girls age groups -- U16B, U16G, U19B, U19G. Meanwhile, Lee Mount Vernon has four NCSL teams and has entered four teams in the FPYC tournament.)

I think it's unlikely that two coaches that didn't win a game are now coaching all-stars. But maybe they added a few players from other teams.

[Anonymous]

Let's look at this HS boys division:

Predator:
CYA Purple
FFC U16 Boys Gray
SYA Antayhua
SYA Parrott
SYA Rosales
Universal FC

Copa:
CYA Black
JCYSL 2008 Blue
LMVSC Bonilla
Prince William #6 Recreational
SYA Cardinals

Club by club:

Universal FC - who? I found a Universal FC in Uruguay and another in New York. I doubt either one is traveling here.

CYA - who knows? They have two NCSL U19s (1 and 2) and four NCSL U16s. Wouldn't be too hard to take the U19s along with a smattering of older/better U16s.

FFC - they have a Gray team that went 6-1 in NCSL U16 D1, and they have a Maroon team that played in D2 and is entered in FPYC. There is, of course, nothing stopping them from registering their All-Star teams differently so the Gray team would be even stronger.

SYA - they have three NCSL U19s (Antayhua, Kim, Parrott) and four NCSL U16s (Rosales, Lindo, Lyons, Milla). Have they literally entered one U16 and two U19s in the "Predator" division without changing them up at all, or is Coach Rosales taking charge of a U19 team for this tournament? Then who is "SYA Cardinals"? Bottom line -- four All-Star teams from seven NCSL-rec teams.

JCYSA - it's an AYSO operation. They can probably afford to be choosy. They're 2008s. They're in the "Copa" division, along with "SYA Cardinals", CYA Black and ...

LMVSC - given that they have four U19s in NCSL-rec and four U19s in FPYC, this might indeed be a U16 team. But they can pick from LMVSC's two U16 teams.

Prince William - in NCSL-rec, they have a #6 in U16 and a #6 in U19. If it's the U19 boys team with no other changes, then it's a team that went 1-7, and that win was a forfeit, so they might not be blowing out U16 All-Star teams.

So it seems entirely possible/plausible that the "Copa" is a de facto U16 division and that "Predator" is mostly U19 except for that FFC team. Or maybe the coaches and organizers have a decent handle on who can handle different levels of competition.

So maybe the people researching it from their couches have stumbled into a disastrous situation. Or maybe they haven't, and everyone can chill a bit.

[Anonymous]

CYA only entered all star teams on the boys side. "Purple" is their u19 All Stars, and "Black" is their u16 All stars.

Agree with pp that SYA Cardinals are always the SYA all star teams.

-CYA parent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rec age groups are different. 2005s play U19.

https://www.sflsoccer.org/age-groups/

SFL doesn't exist any more.

Yes, and the NCSL - rec league adopted their policies including their age cutoffs for school year continuity. Do you have a point?

Lots of 2005s--HS seniors-- playing in rec U19 this spring.

Are you saying the NCSL-rec league has U16 teams that span two years? Fine, but then a physically slight, slow and unskilled eighth-grader would be unlikely to make an All-Star team, right?

I could see the point *if* a U16 coach with a bunch of young U15s decided to enter a rec team in an All-Star tournament with no alterations. But that's probably on the coach.

Basic issue here -- don't be too sure that "Club Name White" or "Club Name Coach Name" is the same team you're seeing in NCSL-rec or wherever. Clubs reuse those names for everything. You could face an "Arlington White" team that was assigned "White" as one of several NCSL-rec teams or "White" as one of a couple of All-Star teams. Or maybe there's a coach named "White."

If it's *your* team, OK.

So it really seems like less of a tournament issue and more of a "what has my coach/club entered us into?" question.

That said, it seems like the clubs that have tried to challenge FPYC for the Father's Day All-Star dollar have come up a day late and a dollar short. Remember the VYS tournament?

(And Vienna apparently hasn't gone back to doing a full-fledged across-the-board entry into FPYC. They've entered just one team in each of the older boys and girls age groups -- U16B, U16G, U19B, U19G. Meanwhile, Lee Mount Vernon has four NCSL teams and has entered four teams in the FPYC tournament.)

I think it's unlikely that two coaches that didn't win a game are now coaching all-stars.

Why?

It's REC SOCCER. The question isn't, "How many league titles have you won?" The question is, "Can you organize four practices and be there on Fathers' Day weekend?"

And to answer other questions above -- clubs can reshuffle teams as they like here. I used to coach against FPYC teams that were basically monster teams in SFL that added the 2-3 best players from a lower-division FPYC team. (And I did that whether my rec team won a league championship or went 0-8. Didn't matter.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CYA only entered all star teams on the boys side. "Purple" is their u19 All Stars, and "Black" is their u16 All stars.

Agree with pp that SYA Cardinals are always the SYA all star teams.

-CYA parent

OK then.

So the "Copa" division has ...

CYA Black (U16)
SYA Cardinals (an All-Star team in a separate division from its three other entries -- could very well be U16s only)
LMVSC Bonilla (Bonilla is a U16 coach, so if it's an intact team from NCSL, it's a U16 team)
JCYSL 2008 (U16)
Prince William #6 (if it's an intact NCSL team, it's either a U19 whose lone win was a forfeit or a U16 team)

Not exactly a bunch of high school seniors trampling a bunch of terrified eighth-graders.

The "Predator" division has an FFC U16 team facing some CYA All-Stars. If the FFC team had serious concerns about it, I'd think they could've brought it up and switched to "Copa." One division has six and one has five, even if FFC switched.

I'm sure the most angry person in this thread will say once again that I must work for Valor. If I worked for Valor, I'd have answers to the questions above! Who do YOU work for? FPYC? VYS? Universal FC? Universal Studios?

[Anonymous]

How do you know all the coach's names? They aren't listed on the NCSL website.

[Anonymous]

What's jcysl?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do you know all the coach's names? They aren't listed on the NCSL website.

Depends on the club: https://www.ncsl-soccer.com/_element_display/#%2Fscripts%2Frunisa.dll%3FM2%3Agp%3A925827.8699%3A80738%2BElements%2FDisplay%2BE%2B1531148%2BDisplay%2F%2B112517019

Of course, some clubs have last names for other reasons -- Messi, Ronaldo, Krieger, Horan, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's jcysl?

AYSO in Jefferson County (Charles Town), West Virginia: https://www.jcysl.org/

Some operations like that are very low-level rec; some aren't.

Maybe the casino has lavished some funds on the AYSO program and built it into a monster.

[Anonymous]

How much do these all star tournaments pay center refs?

[Anonymous]

I for one am disapointed there are no travel teams from south america this year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How much do these all star tournaments pay center refs?

I've signed up for FPYC, but I haven't seen a pay scale. I should really start checking such things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I for one am disapointed there are no travel teams from south america this year

Universal FC from Uruguay.