Harvard President resigns

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Anonymous wrote:Tik-tok has been so effective at brainwashing people on this. I am truly afraid for the next election, with so many low-information people willing to become chines/iranian/terrorist-loving puppets.

I'm amazed at how many people truly know nothing about the Israeli government or their systematic human rights violations for nearly a century. Do you honestly not know or refuse to educate yourself on it? Have you read any of the UN reports, foundational documents, seen any of the documentaries or eye witness accounts from the ground?

It's crazy to me how many of you guys live with blinders on. Or it's just plain racism. You hate Arabs and Muslims so much that you're able to swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

DP. I’ve read a lot of UN reports about alleged human rights violations by Israel but after watching how the UN reacted to the 10/7 atrocities I no longer trust the UN.

You don't have to trust the UN. There are thousands of video documentations by numerous different sources. You just don't watch them, and that is the problem with most Americans. They have inherent bias against Arabs because they have been fed media to believe that everyone is a terrorist. Sort of how they believe that all AA are criminals. It is this bias that allows Israel to continue its apartheid practices with zero intervention.

This sort of over-the-top accusatory and frankly ridiculous response makes your entire position weak.

The fact is that many Americans have seen many, many videos. Some are indeed videos from Israel that are awful. Some are the videos that Hamas uploads to its own Telegram channels, or other videos from radical Islamists. You seem to want us to only believe the first group and ignore the second group, and that’s not going to happen for rational people.

Out of curiosity, how many videos have you watched from 2000? or 2014? or 2018? How many Palestinians have you spoken with who suffered administrative detention with zero charges and zero wrong doing? And have you read the ICJ charging docs filed by South Africa regarding genocide and ethnic cleansing? The thing is for any rational human the knowledge of the facts contained in the ICJ case would move you to call for a ceasefire and end to the occupation. How anyone could ignore Israel's actions is beyond me. Unless of course you do not see Arabs as human. And that really could be the only answer.

Please stop blaming this woman's resignation on the Jews

Why?

It is obvious they switched sides on her, prompting her fall.

WAsn't it Bill Ackman (Jewish and married to an Israeli) who led the charge for her removal? I don't understand. Jewish resentment and Gay's failure to align with zionist beliefs is the direct cause for her removal. Why are we pretending that it wasn't?

That is all probably true, but it is also true that Gay was exposed as an academic fraudster who shouldn't be in Harvard to begin with.

And it's equally true that Bill Ackman has had an axe to grind with DEI programs before the events in Israel, and his anti-DEI crusade is picking up speed and intensity. He's not stopping with Gay.

After exit of Claudine Gay, Bill Ackman paints bull's-eye on diversity programs
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/harvard-claudine-gay-bill-ackman-diversity-and-inclusion/

I don't understand the problem here. If these institutions are so sure of their efforts, why bother caving to the pressure by one or two billionaires. There are equally as many billionaires that support these causes. It's not like Harvards detractors forced Gay to resign. If their efforts in DEI or stances in the Israeli/Palestine conflicts are based in strong virtue and reality, then they should withstand the scrutiny a few rich people intend to apply.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole episode is an amazing case study in failed DEI principals and policies. Love to see it.

It’s “principles” fyi. Why don’t you spend more time brushing up on your spelling skills rather than focusing on the shortcomings of others.

Sounds like Harvard probably should have applied the similar scrutiny to the Gay’s academic record. Shame.

Someone should explain how exactly such a mediocre academic ended up in such a position and making $900k while many more qualified ones, including Black, languish.

I don't know. Why did nepo baby Jerry Falwell Jr. make $1.1 million in total compensation back in 2018 as president of Liberty University? He wasn't even an academic; he was a practicing lawyer when he got hired for the job. Surely there were many much more qualified individuals than Jerry Falwell at the time.

https://www.virginiabusiness.com/article/liberty-pays-falwell-two-years-base-salary-in-severance-deal/#:~:text=The%20university%27s%202018%20financial%20disclosure,base%20pay%20of%20%241.09%20million

I’m not sure you are making the point you think you are making. But yes, Harvard’s credibility as a place of education is quickly approaching Liberty’s with these antics.

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Anonymous wrote:Tik-tok has been so effective at brainwashing people on this. I am truly afraid for the next election, with so many low-information people willing to become chines/iranian/terrorist-loving puppets.

I'm amazed at how many people truly know nothing about the Israeli government or their systematic human rights violations for nearly a century. Do you honestly not know or refuse to educate yourself on it? Have you read any of the UN reports, foundational documents, seen any of the documentaries or eye witness accounts from the ground?

It's crazy to me how many of you guys live with blinders on. Or it's just plain racism. You hate Arabs and Muslims so much that you're able to swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

DP. I’ve read a lot of UN reports about alleged human rights violations by Israel but after watching how the UN reacted to the 10/7 atrocities I no longer trust the UN.

You don't have to trust the UN. There are thousands of video documentations by numerous different sources. You just don't watch them, and that is the problem with most Americans. They have inherent bias against Arabs because they have been fed media to believe that everyone is a terrorist. Sort of how they believe that all AA are criminals. It is this bias that allows Israel to continue its apartheid practices with zero intervention.

This sort of over-the-top accusatory and frankly ridiculous response makes your entire position weak.

The fact is that many Americans have seen many, many videos. Some are indeed videos from Israel that are awful. Some are the videos that Hamas uploads to its own Telegram channels, or other videos from radical Islamists. You seem to want us to only believe the first group and ignore the second group, and that’s not going to happen for rational people.

Out of curiosity, how many videos have you watched from 2000? or 2014? or 2018? How many Palestinians have you spoken with who suffered administrative detention with zero charges and zero wrong doing? And have you read the ICJ charging docs filed by South Africa regarding genocide and ethnic cleansing? The thing is for any rational human the knowledge of the facts contained in the ICJ case would move you to call for a ceasefire and end to the occupation. How anyone could ignore Israel's actions is beyond me. Unless of course you do not see Arabs as human. And that really could be the only answer.

Please stop blaming this woman's resignation on the Jews

Why?

It is obvious they switched sides on her, prompting her fall.

WAsn't it Bill Ackman (Jewish and married to an Israeli) who led the charge for her removal? I don't understand. Jewish resentment and Gay's failure to align with zionist beliefs is the direct cause for her removal. Why are we pretending that it wasn't?

That is all probably true, but it is also true that Gay was exposed as an academic fraudster who shouldn't be in Harvard to begin with.

And it's equally true that Bill Ackman has had an axe to grind with DEI programs before the events in Israel, and his anti-DEI crusade is picking up speed and intensity. He's not stopping with Gay.

After exit of Claudine Gay, Bill Ackman paints bull's-eye on diversity programs
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/harvard-claudine-gay-bill-ackman-diversity-and-inclusion/

It's pretty typical that a Jewish person stands up, at personal risk, to defend liberal and American values. What is untypical is that the attacks against him are from the far-left rather than the right.

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Anonymous wrote:What does plagiarism have to do with Jewish people? Did she plagiarize someone Jewish?

Main person she plagiarized was actually a Black scholar...but, sadly, a conservate woman and therefore not fit for today's Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:Tik-tok has been so effective at brainwashing people on this. I am truly afraid for the next election, with so many low-information people willing to become chines/iranian/terrorist-loving puppets.

I'm amazed at how many people truly know nothing about the Israeli government or their systematic human rights violations for nearly a century. Do you honestly not know or refuse to educate yourself on it? Have you read any of the UN reports, foundational documents, seen any of the documentaries or eye witness accounts from the ground?

It's crazy to me how many of you guys live with blinders on. Or it's just plain racism. You hate Arabs and Muslims so much that you're able to swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

DP. I’ve read a lot of UN reports about alleged human rights violations by Israel but after watching how the UN reacted to the 10/7 atrocities I no longer trust the UN.

You don't have to trust the UN. There are thousands of video documentations by numerous different sources. You just don't watch them, and that is the problem with most Americans. They have inherent bias against Arabs because they have been fed media to believe that everyone is a terrorist. Sort of how they believe that all AA are criminals. It is this bias that allows Israel to continue its apartheid practices with zero intervention.

This sort of over-the-top accusatory and frankly ridiculous response makes your entire position weak.

The fact is that many Americans have seen many, many videos. Some are indeed videos from Israel that are awful. Some are the videos that Hamas uploads to its own Telegram channels, or other videos from radical Islamists. You seem to want us to only believe the first group and ignore the second group, and that’s not going to happen for rational people.

Out of curiosity, how many videos have you watched from 2000? or 2014? or 2018? How many Palestinians have you spoken with who suffered administrative detention with zero charges and zero wrong doing? And have you read the ICJ charging docs filed by South Africa regarding genocide and ethnic cleansing? The thing is for any rational human the knowledge of the facts contained in the ICJ case would move you to call for a ceasefire and end to the occupation. How anyone could ignore Israel's actions is beyond me. Unless of course you do not see Arabs as human. And that really could be the only answer.

Please stop blaming this woman's resignation on the Jews

Why?

It is obvious they switched sides on her, prompting her fall.

WAsn't it Bill Ackman (Jewish and married to an Israeli) who led the charge for her removal? I don't understand. Jewish resentment and Gay's failure to align with zionist beliefs is the direct cause for her removal. Why are we pretending that it wasn't?

That is all probably true, but it is also true that Gay was exposed as an academic fraudster who shouldn't be in Harvard to begin with.

And it's equally true that Bill Ackman has had an axe to grind with DEI programs before the events in Israel, and his anti-DEI crusade is picking up speed and intensity. He's not stopping with Gay.

After exit of Claudine Gay, Bill Ackman paints bull's-eye on diversity programs
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/harvard-claudine-gay-bill-ackman-diversity-and-inclusion/

It's pretty typical that a Jewish person stands up, at personal risk, to defend liberal and American values. What is untypical is that the attacks against him are from the far-left rather than the right.

Untypical? Where have you been the last 10 years?

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Anonymous wrote:This whole episode is an amazing case study in failed DEI principals and policies. Love to see it.

It’s “principles” fyi. Why don’t you spend more time brushing up on your spelling skills rather than focusing on the shortcomings of others.

Sounds like Harvard probably should have applied the similar scrutiny to the Gay’s academic record. Shame.

Someone should explain how exactly such a mediocre academic ended up in such a position and making $900k while many more qualified ones, including Black, languish.

I don't know. Why did nepo baby Jerry Falwell Jr. make $1.1 million in total compensation back in 2018 as president of Liberty University? He wasn't even an academic; he was a practicing lawyer when he got hired for the job. Surely there were many much more qualified individuals than Jerry Falwell at the time.

https://www.virginiabusiness.com/article/liberty-pays-falwell-two-years-base-salary-in-severance-deal/#:~:text=The%20university%27s%202018%20financial%20disclosure,base%20pay%20of%20%241.09%20million

I’m not sure you are making the point you think you are making. But yes, Harvard’s credibility as a place of education is quickly approaching Liberty’s with these antics.

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Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at the same time:

1. Gay was targeted by right-wing media because she is a black woman
2. Gay is a plagiarist and needed to resign

She plagiarized over and over again, many times beyond just boilerplate language. This shows an intent to deceive, which then calls into question her data and all her scholarship.

This makes me very sad, especially for all the women of color in academia who Claudine Gay was supposed to represent.

Read the story of Priyanga Amarasekare, who remains suspended at UCLA and no one will say exactly why.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/when-a-professor-disappears-and-no-one-will-tell-you-why
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00473-8

So she’s being pushed to the brink of sanity and her students’s opportunities destroyed because of protocol in the wake of complaining about discrimination - literally nothing to do with her scholarship, her publications, her research, her cites, her mentorship. Some piece of shit chancellor is mad at her and wants her destroyed. May that chancellor get it back twentyfold in this lifetime.

Except it does have to with her scholarship. I also originally thought it was no big deal, but she lifted almost entire paragraphs from other people's work, and then didn't acknowledge that work as a source - that shows a clear intent to deceive. And she plagiarized the acknowledgements in her doctoral thesis. I mean, come on.

Dr. Gay is accused of plagiarizing two sentences in the acknowledgments of her 1997 Harvard dissertation from the acknowledgments in the 1996 book “Facing Up to the American Dream: Race, Class, and the Soul of the Nation,” by the Harvard political scientist Jennifer L. Hochschild.

Dr. Hochschild: “Sandy Jencks showed me the importance of getting the data right and of following where they lead without fear or favor,” adding later that Mr. Jencks “drove me much harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven.”

Dr. Gay thanked her thesis adviser, Gary King, who “reminded me of the importance of getting the data right and following where they lead without fear or favor.” She also thanked her family, who “drove me harder than I sometimes wanted to be driven.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/us/claudine-gay-harvard-president-excerpts.html

This is ridiculous! Yeah. She had to go.

No, her doctoral degree needs to be rescinded since it was obtained in violation of Harvard's rules on student conduct and plagiarism.

They won't dare.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole episode is an amazing case study in failed DEI principals and policies. Love to see it.

It’s “principles” fyi. Why don’t you spend more time brushing up on your spelling skills rather than focusing on the shortcomings of others.

Sounds like Harvard probably should have applied the similar scrutiny to the Gay’s academic record. Shame.

Someone should explain how exactly such a mediocre academic ended up in such a position and making $900k while many more qualified ones, including Black, languish.

I don't know. Why did nepo baby Jerry Falwell Jr. make $1.1 million in total compensation back in 2018 as president of Liberty University? He wasn't even an academic; he was a practicing lawyer when he got hired for the job. Surely there were many much more qualified individuals than Jerry Falwell at the time.

https://www.virginiabusiness.com/article/liberty-pays-falwell-two-years-base-salary-in-severance-deal/#:~:text=The%20university%27s%202018%20financial%20disclosure,base%20pay%20of%20%241.09%20million

Agreed. The two have a lot in common in this regard.

Indeed. Harvard has become a religious indoctrination camp run by a very small group of insiders, exactly like Liberty U.

So let's treat both the same way.

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Both are deeply religious institutions at this point, uninterested in serious scholarship and particularly unwilling to countenance any challenges or challengers to their sectarian beliefs. The PP was right to compare Harvard to Liberty and Gay to Falwell. The parallels are remarkable.

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Anonymous wrote:Tik-tok has been so effective at brainwashing people on this. I am truly afraid for the next election, with so many low-information people willing to become chines/iranian/terrorist-loving puppets.

I'm amazed at how many people truly know nothing about the Israeli government or their systematic human rights violations for nearly a century. Do you honestly not know or refuse to educate yourself on it? Have you read any of the UN reports, foundational documents, seen any of the documentaries or eye witness accounts from the ground?

It's crazy to me how many of you guys live with blinders on. Or it's just plain racism. You hate Arabs and Muslims so much that you're able to swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

DP. I’ve read a lot of UN reports about alleged human rights violations by Israel but after watching how the UN reacted to the 10/7 atrocities I no longer trust the UN.

You don't have to trust the UN. There are thousands of video documentations by numerous different sources. You just don't watch them, and that is the problem with most Americans. They have inherent bias against Arabs because they have been fed media to believe that everyone is a terrorist. Sort of how they believe that all AA are criminals. It is this bias that allows Israel to continue its apartheid practices with zero intervention.

This sort of over-the-top accusatory and frankly ridiculous response makes your entire position weak.

The fact is that many Americans have seen many, many videos. Some are indeed videos from Israel that are awful. Some are the videos that Hamas uploads to its own Telegram channels, or other videos from radical Islamists. You seem to want us to only believe the first group and ignore the second group, and that’s not going to happen for rational people.

Out of curiosity, how many videos have you watched from 2000? or 2014? or 2018? How many Palestinians have you spoken with who suffered administrative detention with zero charges and zero wrong doing? And have you read the ICJ charging docs filed by South Africa regarding genocide and ethnic cleansing? The thing is for any rational human the knowledge of the facts contained in the ICJ case would move you to call for a ceasefire and end to the occupation. How anyone could ignore Israel's actions is beyond me. Unless of course you do not see Arabs as human. And that really could be the only answer.

Please stop blaming this woman's resignation on the Jews

Why?

It is obvious they switched sides on her, prompting her fall.

WAsn't it Bill Ackman (Jewish and married to an Israeli) who led the charge for her removal? I don't understand. Jewish resentment and Gay's failure to align with zionist beliefs is the direct cause for her removal. Why are we pretending that it wasn't?

Gay's shortcomings were acceptable, perhaps even preferable, so long as she supported the "right things." Let this be a lesson to everyone clambering up the greasy pole to an elite position: its not your ability that will get you to the top, but your willingness to support Zionism that will get you there.

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Anonymous wrote:Tik-tok has been so effective at brainwashing people on this. I am truly afraid for the next election, with so many low-information people willing to become chines/iranian/terrorist-loving puppets.

I'm amazed at how many people truly know nothing about the Israeli government or their systematic human rights violations for nearly a century. Do you honestly not know or refuse to educate yourself on it? Have you read any of the UN reports, foundational documents, seen any of the documentaries or eye witness accounts from the ground?

It's crazy to me how many of you guys live with blinders on. Or it's just plain racism. You hate Arabs and Muslims so much that you're able to swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

DP. I’ve read a lot of UN reports about alleged human rights violations by Israel but after watching how the UN reacted to the 10/7 atrocities I no longer trust the UN.

You don't have to trust the UN. There are thousands of video documentations by numerous different sources. You just don't watch them, and that is the problem with most Americans. They have inherent bias against Arabs because they have been fed media to believe that everyone is a terrorist. Sort of how they believe that all AA are criminals. It is this bias that allows Israel to continue its apartheid practices with zero intervention.

This sort of over-the-top accusatory and frankly ridiculous response makes your entire position weak.

The fact is that many Americans have seen many, many videos. Some are indeed videos from Israel that are awful. Some are the videos that Hamas uploads to its own Telegram channels, or other videos from radical Islamists. You seem to want us to only believe the first group and ignore the second group, and that’s not going to happen for rational people.

Out of curiosity, how many videos have you watched from 2000? or 2014? or 2018? How many Palestinians have you spoken with who suffered administrative detention with zero charges and zero wrong doing? And have you read the ICJ charging docs filed by South Africa regarding genocide and ethnic cleansing? The thing is for any rational human the knowledge of the facts contained in the ICJ case would move you to call for a ceasefire and end to the occupation. How anyone could ignore Israel's actions is beyond me. Unless of course you do not see Arabs as human. And that really could be the only answer.

Please stop blaming this woman's resignation on the Jews

Why?

It is obvious they switched sides on her, prompting her fall.

WAsn't it Bill Ackman (Jewish and married to an Israeli) who led the charge for her removal? I don't understand. Jewish resentment and Gay's failure to align with zionist beliefs is the direct cause for her removal. Why are we pretending that it wasn't?

That is all probably true, but it is also true that Gay was exposed as an academic fraudster who shouldn't be in Harvard to begin with.

And it's equally true that Bill Ackman has had an axe to grind with DEI programs before the events in Israel, and his anti-DEI crusade is picking up speed and intensity. He's not stopping with Gay.

After exit of Claudine Gay, Bill Ackman paints bull's-eye on diversity programs
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/harvard-claudine-gay-bill-ackman-diversity-and-inclusion/

I don't understand the problem here. If these institutions are so sure of their efforts, why bother caving to the pressure by one or two billionaires. There are equally as many billionaires that support these causes. It's not like Harvards detractors forced Gay to resign. If their efforts in DEI or stances in the Israeli/Palestine conflicts are based in strong virtue and reality, then they should withstand the scrutiny a few rich people intend to apply.

But the white woman president at Penn had to resign for the same comments Gay made.
And Stanford's white president resigned last July for articles he wrote that contained manipulated data.
So the DEI angle, alone, isn't what caused her resignation.

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Anonymous wrote:Tik-tok has been so effective at brainwashing people on this. I am truly afraid for the next election, with so many low-information people willing to become chines/iranian/terrorist-loving puppets.

I'm amazed at how many people truly know nothing about the Israeli government or their systematic human rights violations for nearly a century. Do you honestly not know or refuse to educate yourself on it? Have you read any of the UN reports, foundational documents, seen any of the documentaries or eye witness accounts from the ground?

It's crazy to me how many of you guys live with blinders on. Or it's just plain racism. You hate Arabs and Muslims so much that you're able to swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

DP. I’ve read a lot of UN reports about alleged human rights violations by Israel but after watching how the UN reacted to the 10/7 atrocities I no longer trust the UN.

You don't have to trust the UN. There are thousands of video documentations by numerous different sources. You just don't watch them, and that is the problem with most Americans. They have inherent bias against Arabs because they have been fed media to believe that everyone is a terrorist. Sort of how they believe that all AA are criminals. It is this bias that allows Israel to continue its apartheid practices with zero intervention.

This sort of over-the-top accusatory and frankly ridiculous response makes your entire position weak.

The fact is that many Americans have seen many, many videos. Some are indeed videos from Israel that are awful. Some are the videos that Hamas uploads to its own Telegram channels, or other videos from radical Islamists. You seem to want us to only believe the first group and ignore the second group, and that’s not going to happen for rational people.

Out of curiosity, how many videos have you watched from 2000? or 2014? or 2018? How many Palestinians have you spoken with who suffered administrative detention with zero charges and zero wrong doing? And have you read the ICJ charging docs filed by South Africa regarding genocide and ethnic cleansing? The thing is for any rational human the knowledge of the facts contained in the ICJ case would move you to call for a ceasefire and end to the occupation. How anyone could ignore Israel's actions is beyond me. Unless of course you do not see Arabs as human. And that really could be the only answer.

Please stop blaming this woman's resignation on the Jews

Why?

It is obvious they switched sides on her, prompting her fall.

WAsn't it Bill Ackman (Jewish and married to an Israeli) who led the charge for her removal? I don't understand. Jewish resentment and Gay's failure to align with zionist beliefs is the direct cause for her removal. Why are we pretending that it wasn't?

Gay's shortcomings were acceptable, perhaps even preferable, so long as she supported the "right things." Let this be a lesson to everyone clambering up the greasy pole to an elite position: its not your ability that will get you to the top, but your willingness to support Zionism that will get you there.

Fair point, but we need to realize that's an inherent weakness of affirmative action/ dei initiatives.

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well of course it was the "right-wingers" who scrutinized her past academic work for plagiarism.
I mean, who else is going to it it, the left wingers,
And just because they're right wingers doesn't mean they are wrong. I mean you can see the passages side-by-side and see she plagiarized.
And how incredible it was in her resignation letter to argue she has upheld "academic rigor" at Harvard.

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I think her comments at the hearing got everyone looking at her (and the other two presidents) -- but it was the evidence of pervasive plagiarism that actually did her in.

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Anonymous wrote:Boy, we sure put that Black woman in her place. This whole thread disgusts me.

This is clearly about a lot more than race, though, isn't it?

I mean, Liz Magill got run off first and Republicans are after MIT prez as well.

DP. You are very astute, PP. It's not just about race (or anti-semitism, DEI, or academic standards, etc). The overarching theme here is the growing GOP attack on "elite universities." And that's not just my opinion. A GOP congressman said as much (see below). The congressional anti-semitism hearing was just the opening salvo.

House Republicans have a long-term plan to strip elite universities of government funding and federal student loan dollars, Rep. Jim Banks, R-Ind., told a group of business leaders during a private Zoom call Friday.

Banks, an ally of former President Donald Trump, sits on the House Education Committee. The panel recently launched investigations into Harvard, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the University of Pennsylvania. The probe announcements followed a Dec. 5 hearing at which leaders of Harvard, MIT and Penn struggled to clarify their positions on antisemitic speech on campus.

Banks told the business leaders the hearing was the first step in a larger effort to take on Ivy League schools. An audio recording of the call was provided to CNBC by an attendee who requested anonymity in order to share a private conversation.

“The second step is the investigation, the subpoenas, gathering all of the documents and the records from these universities to prove the point,” said Banks. “That they’re not just allowing this behavior to occur, they’re fostering it and creating an unsafe environment for Jewish students on their campus because of it,” he said.

“And once we prove it, third, that’s when we defund these universities by cracking down on not backing their student loans, taxing their endowments and forcing the administration to actually conduct civil rights investigations,” said Banks.

Banks’ frank description of lawmakers’ plans offers a previously unreported window into at least some members of Congress’ long-term goals with regard to at least two Ivy League universities and MIT, another elite university. The House Education Committee chair, Rep. Virginia Foxx, R-N.C., said in an interview on NewsNation that the committee is also looking at Columbia University and Cornell University.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/18/ivy-league-crackdown-house-republicans-plan-to-defund-top-universities.html

The bigger question is why the republicans despise the elite unies? If they want more conservative elite schools, they could form them. I suspect that the process of creating a reputable institution is too long and drawn out for people who have a reputation of impatience.

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Anonymous wrote:Back to basics.

Congresswoman Elise Stefanik if a hypothetical call for the genocide of Jewish people would qualify as a violation of Harvard's code of conduct, Gay responded, "It can be, depending on the context."

Would you be at ease if Elise Stafanik stated the same hypothetical situation calling for the genocide of blacks and Gay responded, "It can be, depending on the context" ?

I am black, and I would be at ease if she answered the hypothetical question in that way. Freedom of speech is more important.