Harvard President resigns

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Anonymous wrote:Boy, we sure put that Black woman in her place. This whole thread disgusts me.

This is clearly about a lot more than race, though, isn't it?

I mean, Liz Magill got run off first and Republicans are after MIT prez as well.

DP. You are very astute, PP. It's not just about race (or anti-semitism, DEI, or academic standards, etc). The overarching theme here is the growing GOP attack on "elite universities." And that's not just my opinion. A GOP congressman said as much (see below). The congressional anti-semitism hearing was just the opening salvo.

House Republicans have a long-term plan to strip elite universities of government funding and federal student loan dollars, Rep. Jim Banks, R-Ind., told a group of business leaders during a private Zoom call Friday.

Banks, an ally of former President Donald Trump, sits on the House Education Committee. The panel recently launched investigations into Harvard, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the University of Pennsylvania. The probe announcements followed a Dec. 5 hearing at which leaders of Harvard, MIT and Penn struggled to clarify their positions on antisemitic speech on campus.

Banks told the business leaders the hearing was the first step in a larger effort to take on Ivy League schools. An audio recording of the call was provided to CNBC by an attendee who requested anonymity in order to share a private conversation.

“The second step is the investigation, the subpoenas, gathering all of the documents and the records from these universities to prove the point,” said Banks. “That they’re not just allowing this behavior to occur, they’re fostering it and creating an unsafe environment for Jewish students on their campus because of it,” he said.

“And once we prove it, third, that’s when we defund these universities by cracking down on not backing their student loans, taxing their endowments and forcing the administration to actually conduct civil rights investigations,” said Banks.

Banks’ frank description of lawmakers’ plans offers a previously unreported window into at least some members of Congress’ long-term goals with regard to at least two Ivy League universities and MIT, another elite university. The House Education Committee chair, Rep. Virginia Foxx, R-N.C., said in an interview on NewsNation that the committee is also looking at Columbia University and Cornell University.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/18/ivy-league-crackdown-house-republicans-plan-to-defund-top-universities.html

The bigger question is why the republicans despise the elite unies? If they want more conservative elite schools, they could form them. I suspect that the process of creating a reputable institution is too long and drawn out for people who have a reputation of impatience.

Why do I despise Fox News?

Because it's an engine of propaganda, indoctrination and hypocrisy.

In many respects, the same is true of these universities.

Same issue, just different sides of the coin.

--a left-leaning centrist

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Anonymous wrote:What does plagiarism have to do with assaulting Jewish students?

She is a famous anti-Semite.

This country just hates Jews so much that even being a raging anti-Semite who went into the House floor to spew her anti-Semitic and anti-Israel message wasn’t enough to get her rightfully fired and/or arrested. It took plagiarism charges.

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Anonymous wrote:What does plagiarism have to do with assaulting Jewish students?

She is a famous anti-Semite.

This country just hates Jews so much that even being a raging anti-Semite who went into the House floor to spew her anti-Semitic and anti-Israel message wasn’t enough to get her rightfully fired and/or arrested. It took plagiarism charges.

I can get behind anti-Israel messages. Jewish or not, right wing governments suck. Anti-Semitic messages are bad though.

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Anonymous wrote:I think her comments at the hearing got everyone looking at her (and the other two presidents) -- but it was the evidence of pervasive plagiarism that actually did her in.

I agree.

The real scandal here is how come she was hired to begin with. Would have taken 5 minutes to properly vet her.

Nepotism, racism, or both?

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Anonymous wrote:Tik-tok has been so effective at brainwashing people on this. I am truly afraid for the next election, with so many low-information people willing to become chines/iranian/terrorist-loving puppets.

I'm amazed at how many people truly know nothing about the Israeli government or their systematic human rights violations for nearly a century. Do you honestly not know or refuse to educate yourself on it? Have you read any of the UN reports, foundational documents, seen any of the documentaries or eye witness accounts from the ground?

It's crazy to me how many of you guys live with blinders on. Or it's just plain racism. You hate Arabs and Muslims so much that you're able to swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

DP. I’ve read a lot of UN reports about alleged human rights violations by Israel but after watching how the UN reacted to the 10/7 atrocities I no longer trust the UN.

You don't have to trust the UN. There are thousands of video documentations by numerous different sources. You just don't watch them, and that is the problem with most Americans. They have inherent bias against Arabs because they have been fed media to believe that everyone is a terrorist. Sort of how they believe that all AA are criminals. It is this bias that allows Israel to continue its apartheid practices with zero intervention.

This sort of over-the-top accusatory and frankly ridiculous response makes your entire position weak.

The fact is that many Americans have seen many, many videos. Some are indeed videos from Israel that are awful. Some are the videos that Hamas uploads to its own Telegram channels, or other videos from radical Islamists. You seem to want us to only believe the first group and ignore the second group, and that’s not going to happen for rational people.

Out of curiosity, how many videos have you watched from 2000? or 2014? or 2018? How many Palestinians have you spoken with who suffered administrative detention with zero charges and zero wrong doing? And have you read the ICJ charging docs filed by South Africa regarding genocide and ethnic cleansing? The thing is for any rational human the knowledge of the facts contained in the ICJ case would move you to call for a ceasefire and end to the occupation. How anyone could ignore Israel's actions is beyond me. Unless of course you do not see Arabs as human. And that really could be the only answer.

Please stop blaming this woman's resignation on the Jews

Why?

It is obvious they switched sides on her, prompting her fall.

WAsn't it Bill Ackman (Jewish and married to an Israeli) who led the charge for her removal? I don't understand. Jewish resentment and Gay's failure to align with zionist beliefs is the direct cause for her removal. Why are we pretending that it wasn't?

Gay's shortcomings were acceptable, perhaps even preferable, so long as she supported the "right things." Let this be a lesson to everyone clambering up the greasy pole to an elite position: its not your ability that will get you to the top, but your willingness to support Zionism that will get you there.

Fair point, but we need to realize that's an inherent weakness of affirmative action/ dei initiatives.

So what about white male leaders who have been caught plagiarizing? Is there an inherent weakness in hiring white male leadership as well?

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Anonymous wrote:What does plagiarism have to do with assaulting Jewish students?

She is a famous anti-Semite.

This country just hates Jews so much that even being a raging anti-Semite who went into the House floor to spew her anti-Semitic and anti-Israel message wasn’t enough to get her rightfully fired and/or arrested. It took plagiarism charges.

Yes! During her time she over saw the decline of Jewish enrollment at Harvard from 23% to 10%. This is totally unacceptable! The next President will be a lot more pro Israeli and get these number up by removing DEI and wokeness in the admissions process.

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Anonymous wrote:well of course it was the "right-wingers" who scrutinized her past academic work for plagiarism.
I mean, who else is going to it it, the left wingers,
And just because they're right wingers doesn't mean they are wrong. I mean you can see the passages side-by-side and see she plagiarized.
And how incredible it was in her resignation letter to argue she has upheld "academic rigor" at Harvard.

Left wingers did review her work during peer-review but they ignored the plagiarism and decided to lower standards so she could lead Harvard. Gay didn't even attempt to defend her scholarship against their mild charges of plagiarism, she knew she was going to move up regardless.

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Anonymous wrote:Tik-tok has been so effective at brainwashing people on this. I am truly afraid for the next election, with so many low-information people willing to become chines/iranian/terrorist-loving puppets.

I'm amazed at how many people truly know nothing about the Israeli government or their systematic human rights violations for nearly a century. Do you honestly not know or refuse to educate yourself on it? Have you read any of the UN reports, foundational documents, seen any of the documentaries or eye witness accounts from the ground?

It's crazy to me how many of you guys live with blinders on. Or it's just plain racism. You hate Arabs and Muslims so much that you're able to swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

DP. I’ve read a lot of UN reports about alleged human rights violations by Israel but after watching how the UN reacted to the 10/7 atrocities I no longer trust the UN.

You don't have to trust the UN. There are thousands of video documentations by numerous different sources. You just don't watch them, and that is the problem with most Americans. They have inherent bias against Arabs because they have been fed media to believe that everyone is a terrorist. Sort of how they believe that all AA are criminals. It is this bias that allows Israel to continue its apartheid practices with zero intervention.

This sort of over-the-top accusatory and frankly ridiculous response makes your entire position weak.

The fact is that many Americans have seen many, many videos. Some are indeed videos from Israel that are awful. Some are the videos that Hamas uploads to its own Telegram channels, or other videos from radical Islamists. You seem to want us to only believe the first group and ignore the second group, and that’s not going to happen for rational people.

Out of curiosity, how many videos have you watched from 2000? or 2014? or 2018? How many Palestinians have you spoken with who suffered administrative detention with zero charges and zero wrong doing? And have you read the ICJ charging docs filed by South Africa regarding genocide and ethnic cleansing? The thing is for any rational human the knowledge of the facts contained in the ICJ case would move you to call for a ceasefire and end to the occupation. How anyone could ignore Israel's actions is beyond me. Unless of course you do not see Arabs as human. And that really could be the only answer.

Please stop blaming this woman's resignation on the Jews

Why?

It is obvious they switched sides on her, prompting her fall.

WAsn't it Bill Ackman (Jewish and married to an Israeli) who led the charge for her removal? I don't understand. Jewish resentment and Gay's failure to align with zionist beliefs is the direct cause for her removal. Why are we pretending that it wasn't?

Gay's shortcomings were acceptable, perhaps even preferable, so long as she supported the "right things." Let this be a lesson to everyone clambering up the greasy pole to an elite position: its not your ability that will get you to the top, but your willingness to support Zionism that will get you there.

Fair point, but we need to realize that's an inherent weakness of affirmative action/ dei initiatives.

So what about white male leaders who have been caught plagiarizing? Is there an inherent weakness in hiring white male leadership as well?

who got caught? Name them

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Anonymous wrote:Tik-tok has been so effective at brainwashing people on this. I am truly afraid for the next election, with so many low-information people willing to become chines/iranian/terrorist-loving puppets.

I'm amazed at how many people truly know nothing about the Israeli government or their systematic human rights violations for nearly a century. Do you honestly not know or refuse to educate yourself on it? Have you read any of the UN reports, foundational documents, seen any of the documentaries or eye witness accounts from the ground?

It's crazy to me how many of you guys live with blinders on. Or it's just plain racism. You hate Arabs and Muslims so much that you're able to swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

DP. I’ve read a lot of UN reports about alleged human rights violations by Israel but after watching how the UN reacted to the 10/7 atrocities I no longer trust the UN.

You don't have to trust the UN. There are thousands of video documentations by numerous different sources. You just don't watch them, and that is the problem with most Americans. They have inherent bias against Arabs because they have been fed media to believe that everyone is a terrorist. Sort of how they believe that all AA are criminals. It is this bias that allows Israel to continue its apartheid practices with zero intervention.

This sort of over-the-top accusatory and frankly ridiculous response makes your entire position weak.

The fact is that many Americans have seen many, many videos. Some are indeed videos from Israel that are awful. Some are the videos that Hamas uploads to its own Telegram channels, or other videos from radical Islamists. You seem to want us to only believe the first group and ignore the second group, and that’s not going to happen for rational people.

Out of curiosity, how many videos have you watched from 2000? or 2014? or 2018? How many Palestinians have you spoken with who suffered administrative detention with zero charges and zero wrong doing? And have you read the ICJ charging docs filed by South Africa regarding genocide and ethnic cleansing? The thing is for any rational human the knowledge of the facts contained in the ICJ case would move you to call for a ceasefire and end to the occupation. How anyone could ignore Israel's actions is beyond me. Unless of course you do not see Arabs as human. And that really could be the only answer.

Please stop blaming this woman's resignation on the Jews

Why?

It is obvious they switched sides on her, prompting her fall.

WAsn't it Bill Ackman (Jewish and married to an Israeli) who led the charge for her removal? I don't understand. Jewish resentment and Gay's failure to align with zionist beliefs is the direct cause for her removal. Why are we pretending that it wasn't?

Gay's shortcomings were acceptable, perhaps even preferable, so long as she supported the "right things." Let this be a lesson to everyone clambering up the greasy pole to an elite position: its not your ability that will get you to the top, but your willingness to support Zionism that will get you there.

Fair point, but we need to realize that's an inherent weakness of affirmative action/ dei initiatives.

So what about white male leaders who have been caught plagiarizing? Is there an inherent weakness in hiring white male leadership as well?

You do know Stanford's white president had to resign when it was discovered some of his articles contained manipulated data. That was just last July btw.

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Interesting side note. What will happen at Yale? Bet Peter Salovey stays on. No question about being pro Israel at Yale unless you replace him.

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Anonymous wrote:Boy, we sure put that Black woman in her place. This whole thread disgusts me.

This is clearly about a lot more than race, though, isn't it?

I mean, Liz Magill got run off first and Republicans are after MIT prez as well.

DP. You are very astute, PP. It's not just about race (or anti-semitism, DEI, or academic standards, etc). The overarching theme here is the growing GOP attack on "elite universities." And that's not just my opinion. A GOP congressman said as much (see below). The congressional anti-semitism hearing was just the opening salvo.

House Republicans have a long-term plan to strip elite universities of government funding and federal student loan dollars, Rep. Jim Banks, R-Ind., told a group of business leaders during a private Zoom call Friday.

Banks, an ally of former President Donald Trump, sits on the House Education Committee. The panel recently launched investigations into Harvard, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the University of Pennsylvania. The probe announcements followed a Dec. 5 hearing at which leaders of Harvard, MIT and Penn struggled to clarify their positions on antisemitic speech on campus.

Banks told the business leaders the hearing was the first step in a larger effort to take on Ivy League schools. An audio recording of the call was provided to CNBC by an attendee who requested anonymity in order to share a private conversation.

“The second step is the investigation, the subpoenas, gathering all of the documents and the records from these universities to prove the point,” said Banks. “That they’re not just allowing this behavior to occur, they’re fostering it and creating an unsafe environment for Jewish students on their campus because of it,” he said.

“And once we prove it, third, that’s when we defund these universities by cracking down on not backing their student loans, taxing their endowments and forcing the administration to actually conduct civil rights investigations,” said Banks.

Banks’ frank description of lawmakers’ plans offers a previously unreported window into at least some members of Congress’ long-term goals with regard to at least two Ivy League universities and MIT, another elite university. The House Education Committee chair, Rep. Virginia Foxx, R-N.C., said in an interview on NewsNation that the committee is also looking at Columbia University and Cornell University.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/18/ivy-league-crackdown-house-republicans-plan-to-defund-top-universities.html

The bigger question is why the republicans despise the elite unies? If they want more conservative elite schools, they could form them. I suspect that the process of creating a reputable institution is too long and drawn out for people who have a reputation of impatience.

Why do I despise Fox News?

Because it's an engine of propaganda, indoctrination and hypocrisy.

In many respects, the same is true of these universities.

Same issue, just different sides of the coin.

--a left-leaning centrist

Harvard should start paying taxes, like Fox News and the NYT.

And stop receiving billions in taxpayers' money.

No more subsidized propaganda.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting side note. What will happen at Yale? Bet Peter Salovey stays on. No question about being pro Israel at Yale unless you replace him.

And Columbia and NYU.

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Anonymous wrote:What does plagiarism have to do with assaulting Jewish students?

She is a famous anti-Semite.

This country just hates Jews so much that even being a raging anti-Semite who went into the House floor to spew her anti-Semitic and anti-Israel message wasn’t enough to get her rightfully fired and/or arrested. It took plagiarism charges.

Yes! During her time she over saw the decline of Jewish enrollment at Harvard from 23% to 10%. This is totally unacceptable! The next President will be a lot more pro Israeli and get these number up by removing DEI and wokeness in the admissions process.

Say what now?
Jews are 2% of the US population but 23% of Harvard? That can’t be right.

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Anonymous wrote:Boy, we sure put that Black woman in her place. This whole thread disgusts me.

This is clearly about a lot more than race, though, isn't it?

I mean, Liz Magill got run off first and Republicans are after MIT prez as well.

DP. You are very astute, PP. It's not just about race (or anti-semitism, DEI, or academic standards, etc). The overarching theme here is the growing GOP attack on "elite universities." And that's not just my opinion. A GOP congressman said as much (see below). The congressional anti-semitism hearing was just the opening salvo.

House Republicans have a long-term plan to strip elite universities of government funding and federal student loan dollars, Rep. Jim Banks, R-Ind., told a group of business leaders during a private Zoom call Friday.

Banks, an ally of former President Donald Trump, sits on the House Education Committee. The panel recently launched investigations into Harvard, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the University of Pennsylvania. The probe announcements followed a Dec. 5 hearing at which leaders of Harvard, MIT and Penn struggled to clarify their positions on antisemitic speech on campus.

Banks told the business leaders the hearing was the first step in a larger effort to take on Ivy League schools. An audio recording of the call was provided to CNBC by an attendee who requested anonymity in order to share a private conversation.

“The second step is the investigation, the subpoenas, gathering all of the documents and the records from these universities to prove the point,” said Banks. “That they’re not just allowing this behavior to occur, they’re fostering it and creating an unsafe environment for Jewish students on their campus because of it,” he said.

“And once we prove it, third, that’s when we defund these universities by cracking down on not backing their student loans, taxing their endowments and forcing the administration to actually conduct civil rights investigations,” said Banks.

Banks’ frank description of lawmakers’ plans offers a previously unreported window into at least some members of Congress’ long-term goals with regard to at least two Ivy League universities and MIT, another elite university. The House Education Committee chair, Rep. Virginia Foxx, R-N.C., said in an interview on NewsNation that the committee is also looking at Columbia University and Cornell University.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/18/ivy-league-crackdown-house-republicans-plan-to-defund-top-universities.html

The bigger question is why the republicans despise the elite unies? If they want more conservative elite schools, they could form them. I suspect that the process of creating a reputable institution is too long and drawn out for people who have a reputation of impatience.

I have the same question. Doesn't make sense since so many of the GOP rising stars are themselves graduates of Ivy Leagues:

*Elise Stefanik, Harvard class of 2006
*Josh Hawley, Stanford class of 2002 and Yale law class of 2006
*Ted Cruz, Princeton class of 1992 and Harvard law class of 1995
*JD Vance, Yale Law class of 2013
*Tom Cotton, Harvard College 1998, Harvard Law 2002
*Ron DeSantis, Yale 2001, Harvard Law 2005

In fact, Republicans elected to the Senate over the last decade are more likely than their Democratic counterparts to have attended Harvard, Yale, Princeton or Stanford.

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Anonymous wrote:What does plagiarism have to do with assaulting Jewish students?

She is a famous anti-Semite.

This country just hates Jews so much that even being a raging anti-Semite who went into the House floor to spew her anti-Semitic and anti-Israel message wasn’t enough to get her rightfully fired and/or arrested. It took plagiarism charges.

Yes! During her time she over saw the decline of Jewish enrollment at Harvard from 23% to 10%. This is totally unacceptable! The next President will be a lot more pro Israeli and get these number up by removing DEI and wokeness in the admissions process.

Say what now?
Jews are 2% of the US population but 23% of Harvard? That can’t be right.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/admissions/2023/05/08/jewish-student-enrollment-down-many-ivies

Defeating the university quota system was one of the most celebrated civil-rights battles of the 20th Century. These quotas were usually around 10%, and were implemented after they reached 20% of the population at some schools.

Take that into account when talking about diversity at these schools.